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[Voltaire]

silver, are you lying as town?

[silverspawn]

Uh, no, not at all.  Ash actually brought up claiming daycop early Day 1....

yes. that's what I wrote in my post. He brought up daycop, which is why it would be reasonable for him to fake normal cop in order to get his targets lynched. that was my point.

If you follow the link of the quote, you will see that i corrected myself instantly after posting it.

[Voltaire]

(or lack thereof) in our QT

I said, I don't see why QT's are good for town, there is scum in them, just as much as in the thread. I asked you, what do you think about QT's. you said, QT's are super pro scum. that's why I didn't post in the QT.

And I'm now beginning to think I was totally justified because my starting QT had two scum in it (PPS and you).

[Witherweaver]

daycop > cop

is much different than

doctor > 1-shot cop

[Ichimaru Gin]

Mmm. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch silver soley because of mistyping his role. But there's other stuff driving the wagon as well, so this shouldn't be a chance for the case on him to be framed as being based only on his "scumslip". Cause with all this theory talk going around, I can understand mistyping a role.

I still don't buy that we have 3 investigative PRs though.

PPE: 7 still feeling good on my vote.

[ashersky]

I'm interested in others' version of my answer.

Basically yours.

Ash is making sense.. now I'm worried

same.

Ash, you consistently had PPS as a town read yesterday. Not saying that's bad. Town is wrong all the time (*cough*pacof*cough*). Yesterday though you didn't really explain your read. Can you now?

That's a good point.  I was wrong on PPS, so was Robz.  I was able to confirm he was just wrong, not protecting (absent a godfather ability).

My town read was based on having twice in recent games been scum partners with PPS.  He and I have similarly intriguing (some might say frustrating) plat styles.  I thought his early giving up was more likely town PPS.  Others saw it as scum overreacting to less pressure than was actually there.

I thought scum!pps would try harder to affect the game after his death if he thought he was going to be the lynch.  He just wasn't leaving a mark.

I mean, I was wrong.  Has happened before, famously with you.

[Voltaire]

Strange question: Dany would be my pick to be King (Queen) when Targ is in charge. But that's XP's flavor.

Targ, do you have any idea who will be the NPC King if you gain the most members?

[silverspawn]

daycop > cop

is much different than

doctor > 1-shot cop

well, it looks like you are serious about this case. which is insane. the example I just quoted was a lighter slip than what I just did, i'll give you that.

I will look up a few other posts though.

[Teproc]

No one should vote anyone before rereading and looking at how they behaved towards PPS in particular*. We have a scum flip, we should use it.

*the ash thing was different

[Voltaire]

I still don't buy that we have 3 investigative PRs though.

Then who is lying? It's me or ash if you don't think it's silver by your thinking.

[ashersky]

silver, are you lying as town?

I had this same thought.

He could be a real doc...thought lying and saying he had a used up role could protect him, etc.

He's been arguing the virtues of lying as town all game.

I'm not buying it, though.

[Teproc]

Strange question: Dany would be my pick to be King (Queen) when Targ is in charge. But that's XP's flavor.

Targ, do you have any idea who will be the NPC King if you gain the most members?

That's an interesting question... This is the end of book/season 2 right ? Xaro Xhoan Daxos maybe ? Maybe she's the exception to the rule and gets to be both queen and hand of the king.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I still don't buy that we have 3 investigative PRs though.

Then who is lying? It's me or ash if you don't think it's silver by your thinking.

Oh, no, I think it's silver. That's why I said I still feel good about my vote on him.

I was just trying to emphasize that supposed "scumslips" shouldn't weaken the case on someone when there's better information to support it.

PPE: 2

[silverspawn]

it makes zero sense for scum!me to claim PR so early when it wouldn't even have had to claim first.

sigh. alright, SSP it is.

[Witherweaver]

Strange question: Dany would be my pick to be King (Queen) when Targ is in charge. But that's XP's flavor.

Targ, do you have any idea who will be the NPC King if you gain the most members?

There aren't any hints.  Maybe it will just be Dany anyway.

[Teproc]

Do we think there's a possibility of faust using a ++ setup to generate PRs ? Because randomly throwing a cop and a tracker seems weird.

[Witherweaver]

it makes zero sense for scum!me to claim PR so early when it wouldn't even have had to claim first.

sigh. alright, SSP it is.

It doesn't actually make no sense, because you would have come up with a fake claim before time.  And you'd be ready to present it, and not want to seem hesitant about it.

[Witherweaver]

Do we think there's a possibility of faust using a ++ setup to generate PRs ? Because randomly throwing a cop and a tracker seems weird.

Is Jailkeeper possible in those?

[ashersky]

Throw out the doctor thing and he's still the best claims-based lynch.

XP scares me (his role), but silver's "result" is pretty good evidence he's town.

[ashersky]

Post 1 says invented, semi-open, based on Monsters U and language.  I didn't play language, but invented Monsters U. 

I doubt he built a ++ system.  It took me ages to build asher9++.

[ashersky]

Do we think there's a possibility of faust using a ++ setup to generate PRs ? Because randomly throwing a cop and a tracker seems weird.

Is Jailkeeper possible in those?

No JK in any ++ set ups that we use.  RB instead.

[Teproc]

I meant that he could have used C9++ or something and not tell us. Voltgloss did that in MIV for example.

But yeah, mafia JK isn't a thing in those, so forget it.

[silverspawn]

It doesn't actually make no sense, because you would have come up with a fake claim before time.  And you'd be ready to present it, and not want to seem hesitant about it.

the thing I am trying to proof, and I can't believe I have to do this, is that I have very fast way of doing thinks, and an even faster way of thinking, which is why the "slip" doesn't mean anything.

scum!me could totally slip there. town!me did slip there.

PPE a lot

[Voltaire]

Do we think there's a possibility of faust using a ++ setup to generate PRs ? Because randomly throwing a cop and a tracker seems weird.

In a vacuum, ash is scum who fakeclaimed. 1-shot Cop + Tracker seems fine.

But this isn't a vacuum...

[Witherweaver]

It doesn't actually make no sense, because you would have come up with a fake claim before time.  And you'd be ready to present it, and not want to seem hesitant about it.

the thing I am trying to proof, and I can't believe I have to do this, is that I have very fast way of doing thinks, and an even faster way of thinking, which is why the "slip" doesn't mean anything.

scum!me could totally slip there. town!me did slip there.

PPE a lot

I realize that.  I'm responding to what was in the quote, because I didn't respond to it the first time you said it.

These examples are not good, by the way.