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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1825 on: September 22, 2014, 10:40:14 pm »

We should lynch ash for LAL reasons. All he's doing is stalling in the hope of getting a slight benefit. And we can't let him be able to get away with this sort of refusal all the time. This is only slightly scummy due to ash's meta, but that's a bad meta that should be able to change and makes reading him as scum basically impossible.

vote: Ashersky

I'm not lurking.  Why would LAL apply?
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1826 on: September 22, 2014, 10:40:45 pm »

even though its frusterating. I'm super against lynching someone just because I don't like there meta. I'm still trying to win this game and don't think an asher lynch is going to win it.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1827 on: September 22, 2014, 10:42:26 pm »

Votecount please?

Also, no normal Mafia role for me.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1828 on: September 22, 2014, 10:42:37 pm »

even though its frusterating. I'm super against lynching someone just because I don't like there meta. I'm still trying to win this game and don't think an asher lynch is going to win it.

(posting in reply to this because I have no self control)

That's not why I want ash lynched.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1829 on: September 22, 2014, 10:43:03 pm »

Lynch all Liars - you're being really anti-town.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1830 on: September 22, 2014, 10:43:20 pm »

We should lynch ash for LAL reasons. All he's doing is stalling in the hope of getting a slight benefit. And we can't let him be able to get away with this sort of refusal all the time. This is only slightly scummy due to ash's meta, but that's a bad meta that should be able to change and makes reading him as scum basically impossible.

vote: Ashersky

I'm not lurking.  Why would LAL apply?

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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1831 on: September 22, 2014, 10:43:36 pm »

even though its frusterating. I'm super against lynching someone just because I don't like there meta. I'm still trying to win this game and don't think an asher lynch is going to win it.

(posting in reply to this because I have no self control)

That's not why I want ash lynched.

Ya that one was basically just targetted to XP. I understand why your voting.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1832 on: September 22, 2014, 10:44:54 pm »

even though its frusterating. I'm super against lynching someone just because I don't like there meta. I'm still trying to win this game and don't think an asher lynch is going to win it.

one of the only things of which I'm almost certain concerning ash is that he's completely capable of doing this as scum. If we ignore the fact that he claimed full cop, we're looking at a random lynch, worst case. It's similar to lynching a lurker, which I think is what XP was implying.

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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1833 on: September 22, 2014, 10:45:53 pm »

We should lynch ash for LAL reasons. All he's doing is stalling in the hope of getting a slight benefit. And we can't let him be able to get away with this sort of refusal all the time. This is only slightly scummy due to ash's meta, but that's a bad meta that should be able to change and makes reading him as scum basically impossible.

vote: Ashersky

I'm not lurking.  Why would LAL apply?

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I read it.  LAL is Lynch All Lurkers.  That's a defined acronym on this site.  LALL is Lynch All Lurkers, Literally.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1834 on: September 22, 2014, 10:48:21 pm »

Lynch all Liars - you're being really anti-town.

I'm being pro-town, whether you know it (or agree with it) or not.

Ask anyone, anyone here -- I am easily the most calculating player on f.ds.  Every single post, action, etc. I do in a mafia game is done solely for the benefit of myself (that is, reaching my win condition).  That doesn't change from alignment to alignment.

If you think I'm town, then you have to know that I believe I'm doing something that's pro-town.
If you think I'm scum, then you have to know that I believe I'm doing something that's pro-scum.

The one thing everyone should know is impossible is that if I'm town, I'd be doing something I believe is anti-town.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1835 on: September 22, 2014, 10:55:53 pm »

Lynch all Liars - you're being really anti-town.

I'm being pro-town, whether you know it (or agree with it) or not.

Ask anyone, anyone here -- I am easily the most calculating player on f.ds.  Every single post, action, etc. I do in a mafia game is done solely for the benefit of myself (that is, reaching my win condition).  That doesn't change from alignment to alignment.

If you think I'm town, then you have to know that I believe I'm doing something that's pro-town.
If you think I'm scum, then you have to know that I believe I'm doing something that's pro-scum.

The one thing everyone should know is impossible is that if I'm town, I'd be doing something I believe is anti-town.

If you are a cop, and you let us lynch you, that's anti town. Maybe it benefits you in future games, but it's antitown for this game.

Which is why we should just vote for him and get him on L-1.

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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1836 on: September 23, 2014, 02:47:52 am »

Lynch all Liars - you're being really anti-town.

I'm being pro-town, whether you know it (or agree with it) or not.

Ask anyone, anyone here -- I am easily the most calculating player on f.ds.  Every single post, action, etc. I do in a mafia game is done solely for the benefit of myself (that is, reaching my win condition).  That doesn't change from alignment to alignment.

If you think I'm town, then you have to know that I believe I'm doing something that's pro-town.
If you think I'm scum, then you have to know that I believe I'm doing something that's pro-scum.

The one thing everyone should know is impossible is that if I'm town, I'd be doing something I believe is anti-town.

You may be blinded by your own super boldness. What you are doing now is stalling the game, as everyone basically repeat same things

I am not ready yet to strip town of at least 65%ish full cop for the benefit of teaching ash lesson, so not voting
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1837 on: September 23, 2014, 04:18:47 am »

Vote Count 2.2

Hydrad (2): Ichimaru Gin, Witherweaver
silverspawn (1): ashersky
ashersky (4): Teproc, silverspawn, Voltaire, XerxesPraelor

Not Voting (4): pacovf, Hydrad, EgorK, Robz888

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends September 28 at noon.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1838 on: September 23, 2014, 04:44:33 am »

This is not about teaching asha lesson.

As ash just said, he would not do seomthing he believes to be anti-town. This is a bluff : if he is town and is threatened with a hammer, he will claim. If he doesn't, he is scum.

If he flips town after not claiming, he wasn't playing to his VC and we've basically lynched scum anyway.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1839 on: September 23, 2014, 04:58:42 am »

This is not about teaching asha lesson.

As ash just said, he would not do seomthing he believes to be anti-town. This is a bluff : if he is town and is threatened with a hammer, he will claim. If he doesn't, he is scum.

If he flips town after not claiming, he wasn't playing to his VC and we've basically lynched scum anyway.

Ok, let's do it then

Vote: ash

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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1840 on: September 23, 2014, 05:02:10 am »

It is.

No one vote, obviously. Now we need someone to state intent to hammer (and mean it).

Then ash you have a choice. If you're scum do whatever I don't care. If you're town :
- you can die for your principles and prove to everyone that you're full of it when you say you wouldn't do anti-town things.
- you can claim your freaking target

Let's be clear : letting yourself being mislynched as a cop is anti-town, 100%. You can say it's our fault, that you shouldn't be in this position, that we're mean bullies, whatever, but in the end you have a choice.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1841 on: September 23, 2014, 06:29:50 am »

Here's my offer.

From the post in which we get a serious intent to hammer, you all give me ~14 hours (I'm assuming this happens in the next 6-8 hours), given time zone considerations.  I say ~14 because I am guaranteed to be at a computer in 12 hours from this post.

During that 14-hour window, the game continues (sans claiming plan).  Discuss me, discuss houses, discuss scummy play from yesterday, whatever.  This game has produced 10 pages while I've slept.

I come back, see intent, see discussion.  I'd like the opportunity for a last, targeted re-read.  At that point, I'll be honest in whether I will claim or die, based on whatever I'm able to glean from the discussion that took place, etc.

I'll provide a final reads list either way.

One final condition: I'd like a draft plan in place for house actions tonight based on the assumption that I'm telling the truth.  The reason I said everyone goes Stark is that we'd have total control over all powers.  No house power but doctor.  No role powers that require outside targets, since I'm the only target and I can't die.  If I'm blocked (doubtful, given the JK death), we rearrange on D3.

All that is moot based on XP's claim.  So we need to know how to stack two houses in the safest way.

So, there's my offer.  I think it's decent.  It gets gameplay resuming, puts a known end to this whole argument, and ensures we know what's possibly happening on N2.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1842 on: September 23, 2014, 09:20:28 am »

I appreciate that ash, but I'd rather do all the planning after either :
a) you claim and we finish the massclaim
b) you don't claim and we decide to lynch you
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1843 on: September 23, 2014, 09:38:11 am »

Tiny problem ash: I'm also an Investigative Role, remember? If you were hoping your fake claim would save you, you have to account for the fact that I exist.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1844 on: September 23, 2014, 09:39:14 am »

Also

I appreciate that ash, but I'd rather do all the planning after either :
a) you claim and we finish the massclaim
b) you don't claim and we decide to lynch you
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1845 on: September 23, 2014, 09:40:15 am »

Tiny problem ash: I'm also an Investigative Role, remember? If you were hoping your fake claim would save you, you have to account for the fact that I exist.

I don't know what this means.  My claim is real and I don't need saving.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1846 on: September 23, 2014, 09:43:40 am »

What I'm saying is, for a variety of reasons, I don't believe your claim. One of which is, I'm also someone we can play Follow the Cop with. Which decreases the risk in lynching you should you be telling the truth.

But I'd prefer it if you claim so I can decide if I believe you, because if town has you and me and the Stark power we've already won. (which is why I'm a bit suspicious)
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1847 on: September 23, 2014, 10:23:58 am »

Skimming from a 'stolen' phone. Craziness. Please don't lynch ash while I am out. Cant people full claim in the QTs, then Ash claim, then share claims from QTs?
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1848 on: September 23, 2014, 10:26:42 am »

Skimming from a 'stolen' phone. Craziness. Please don't lynch ash while I am out. Cant people full claim in the QTs, then Ash claim, then share claims from QTs?

While I think that's a good idea for me (because the other Starks have both already claimed so they can't use it if they're scum)...

Wait, actually, it's just WW and Voltaire after me ?

That works for me.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1849 on: September 23, 2014, 10:27:07 am »

Skimming from a 'stolen' phone. Craziness. Please don't lynch ash while I am out. Cant people full claim in the QTs, then Ash claim, then share claims from QTs?

That could work.  Ash?
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