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[silverspawn]

*fakeclaim normal cop

[Robz888]

Ash, as a reminder, you said that some people have probably already figured out what you're action was. So why not just tell us all?

[Voltaire]

Possible.  But maybe it's possible that mislynching me helps all of you realize that I haven't been lying all game and you'll go back and actually read my posts instead of ignoring them, and thereby possibly helping us win.

As of now, I get the sinking feeling we are snatching a town win from the jaws of victory.

ash, I said this before and I'll say it again - if you're the cop, and you go to your grave with a result you don't share, I will learn NOTHING because of all the WIFOM around you and if scum joined.

If only there were a way to avoid WIFOM, like mod-generated investigative results on players...hmm...

[ashersky]

1-Shot Cop and Full Cop in a closed setup just makes very little sense

man, I'm not even sure I buy that you're a cop. Even if you're town, I totally see you claiming cop to get your targets lynched. You even said day 1 "what if I claimed day cop?" so it doesn't seem far fetched to just fakeclaim daycop. say you're right, and P is scum. If we lynch him and he flips, noone is going to suspect you, even if you come clean with your fake claim.

That'd be pretty bold, even for me.

[Voltaire]

As of now, I get the sinking feeling we are snatching a town win from the jaws of victory.

"..."

A-

[ashersky]

If only there were a way to avoid WIFOM, like mod-generated investigative results on players...hmm...

You mean like the one you claim to have gotten, but have also refused to claim?

You have been deriding me all day for not claiming fully, and yet you did the original half-claim.

[Voltaire]

You avoided my question. Have you analyzed your team for interactions?

Of course I've done some re-reads. We lynched scum D1 and I'm a PR.

As town, I don't know who else is on "my team."  So no, I haven't analyzed it.

As for re-reads, when we get to the "make cases" stage, I probably will.  This is my only game, so I'm fairly confident in my recall ability.

I mean the scum team you claim you are 100% confident on (or are giving the appearance of 100% confidence)

[ashersky]

ash, I said this before and I'll say it again - if you're the cop, and you go to your grave with a result you don't share...

Well, depends how long twilight is, doesn't it?

[Voltaire]

If only there were a way to avoid WIFOM, like mod-generated investigative results on players...hmm...

You mean like the one you claim to have gotten, but have also refused to claim?

You have been deriding me all day for not claiming fully, and yet you did the original half-claim.

WHAT A ZINGER OH WAIT

ash, if you're town, I get that there's value in waiting. But you need to give us something (your result) for us to give you something (belief of your claim).*

*I know this is ironic what with me half-claimed myself, but I gave my initial claim to get the massclaim rolling, and now WW and Teproc, my two biggest town reads, have agreed to put you at the top of the massclaim and me at the bottom so, what can you do.

[ashersky]

You avoided my question. Have you analyzed your team for interactions?

Of course I've done some re-reads. We lynched scum D1 and I'm a PR.

As town, I don't know who else is on "my team."  So no, I haven't analyzed it.

As for re-reads, when we get to the "make cases" stage, I probably will.  This is my only game, so I'm fairly confident in my recall ability.

I mean the scum team you claim you are 100% confident on (or are giving the appearance of 100% confidence)

Oh, that makes more sense.

No, I have not yet re-read them together.  The silver thing just happened, you know, and I've been sure of pacovf since Night 0, so no need to re-read there.

[ashersky]

If only there were a way to avoid WIFOM, like mod-generated investigative results on players...hmm...

You mean like the one you claim to have gotten, but have also refused to claim?

You have been deriding me all day for not claiming fully, and yet you did the original half-claim.

WHAT A ZINGER OH WAIT

ash, if you're town, I get that there's value in waiting. But you need to give us something (your result) for us to give you something (belief of your claim).*

*I know this is ironic what with me half-claimed myself, but I gave my initial claim to get the massclaim rolling, and now WW and Teproc, my two biggest town reads, have agreed to put you at the top of the massclaim and me at the bottom so, what can you do.

It's not a zinger, I know you you admitted this before.

But there is something you could do.  Since you already broke ranks, just finish your claim.

I have an idea of why you don't want to though, and I'm NOT pushing you.  See how we're treating this differently?

[silverspawn]

I have an idea of why you don't want to though, and I'm NOT pushing you.  See how we're treating this differently?

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[Voltaire]

Volt is going on radio silence until ash claims or we lynch him, whichever comes first.

[Witherweaver]

I'd rather Volt claim after all the other claims, including Ash's.  I'm fairly confident in Volt being town , and he didn't break rank.  He partially claimed in order to get the mass claim to go through.

[silverspawn]

1-Shot Cop and Full Cop in a closed setup just makes very little sense

man, I'm not even sure I buy that you're a cop. Even if you're town, I totally see you claiming cop to get your targets lynched. You even said day 1 "what if I claimed day cop?" so it doesn't seem far fetched to just fakeclaim daycop. say you're right, and P is scum. If we lynch him and he flips, noone is going to suspect you, even if you come clean with your fake claim.

That'd be pretty bold, even for me.

I actually want to come back to this. If I happened to be 80% sure (which is less than what you claimed) that Player X is scum, and if claiming cop is believable, I would do it. It's not even a hard choice. We get him lynched, and I admit that I was fake claiming. If it worked, noone is going to have a problem with that. If it didn't work, the worst case is that we lynch 2 towns. I'd trade an 80% chance for a scum lynch for a 20% chance of 2 mislynches any day, any time. Especially in the position we are in.

You said, and I quote, you are so confident in the P lynch that you are okay if we lynch you first and then lynch him. This is in every single way a worse scenario than the one I described above. There is no good reason not to fake claim cop.

[silverspawn]

that doesn't mean I think you did it. I don't think that (even though it's absolutely possible). But, at this point, there is nothing you can say that can convince me that anyone is scum. I'm not even sure you believe that P is scum, in fact I think it's about a 30% chance that you just made it up and don't suspect him at all.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I don't think Ash will ever give in to you guys.

[Hydrad]

I guess I'll say that I'm not going to lynch ash. But at the same time I would rather him reveal what hes doing now. I still think this is town ash.

[silverspawn]

I guess I'll say that I'm not going to lynch ash. But at the same time I would rather him reveal what hes doing now.

that's very helpful.

[Hydrad]

I guess I'll say that I'm not going to lynch ash. But at the same time I would rather him reveal what hes doing now.

that's very helpful.

I'm hoping that even if we stalemate for a bit that hopefully someone will give in. If this is town asher I think he might be willing to get lynched but only becuase he doesn't like how everyones acting. If everyone calms down a bit I think he will be more willing to reveal. I have no proof of this but thats the feeling I'm getting.

[ashersky]

at the same time I would rather him reveal what hes doing now.

I'm interested in other people revealing what I'm doing now.

[Hydrad]

at the same time I would rather him reveal what hes doing now.

I'm interested in other people revealing what I'm doing now.

I think your being difficult just to get reactions. Which is good for town but still kinda annoying to play with.

[silverspawn]

I think your being difficult just to get reactions. Which is good for town but still kinda annoying to play with.

that's what I think too. But that's a theory, it could also be something entirely different.

[silverspawn]

If that's what it is, this would be a good time to drop the act and reveal your newly founded town read on me. which you should have based on my reactions. There is really a limit on how much I could pretend as scum.

[XerxesPraelor]

We should lynch ash for LAL reasons. All he's doing is stalling in the hope of getting a slight benefit. And we can't let him be able to get away with this sort of refusal all the time. This is only slightly scummy due to ash's meta, but that's a bad meta that should be able to change and makes reading him as scum basically impossible.

vote: Ashersky