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[Voltaire]

XP scares me (his role), but silver's "result" is pretty good evidence he's town.

The thing is, XP is the only claimed "based on the setup" role, of which we are guaranteed at least one.

So unless there's a scum role like that, XP's it.

[Witherweaver]

Do we think there's a possibility of faust using a ++ setup to generate PRs ? Because randomly throwing a cop and a tracker seems weird.

In a vacuum, ash is scum who fakeclaimed. 1-shot Cop + Tracker seems fine.

But this isn't a vacuum...

This was actually my thought, until Ash sounded actually convincing, and you semi-verified it.

[Ichimaru Gin]

XP scares me (his role), but silver's "result" is pretty good evidence he's town.

The thing is, XP is the only claimed "based on the setup" role, of which we are guaranteed at least one.

So unless there's a scum role like that, XP's it.

Please tell me I didn't miss another claim. I know XP claimed flavor and like Queen of Dragons or something, but he didn't actually say what his role is right?

[Voltaire]

Do we think there's a possibility of faust using a ++ setup to generate PRs ? Because randomly throwing a cop and a tracker seems weird.

In a vacuum, ash is scum who fakeclaimed. 1-shot Cop + Tracker seems fine.

But this isn't a vacuum...

This was actually my thought, until Ash sounded actually convincing, and you semi-verified it.

The only possible scenario I can think of, since we know that ash is a PR, is that he's a Rolecop who targeted Robz.

What else would make sense? Busdriver? It can't be JK, the JK is dead. And it can't be anything that would kill Robz, he's not dead, and since when does scum have a killing PR anyway.

[Voltaire]

XP scares me (his role), but silver's "result" is pretty good evidence he's town.

The thing is, XP is the only claimed "based on the setup" role, of which we are guaranteed at least one.

So unless there's a scum role like that, XP's it.

Please tell me I didn't miss another claim. I know XP claimed flavor and like Queen of Dragons or something, but he didn't actually say what his role is right?

He says he is a VT otherwise.

For us he is negative utility, and a negative utility VT is completely plausible.

[Teproc]

Rolecop is what you're looking for Voltaire.

[silverspawn]

I considered making it worth more than Gold, but I figured that this way it might actually be balanced (minus the "shave" clause, which could probably be abused depending on the game definition of "shave").  It's a $5 Gold with the drawback of being almost guaranteed to miss the reshuffle.  Thoughts on that?

as a serious card? boring. even more boring than stash.

I think it may be pretty good for engines as payload. Better than Gold even.

In any engine where you draw your deck each turn, this is much better than gold, even if it cost $6 you would prefer it to gold.

yea and then it's a worse version of nomad camp.

here I confused bandit camp with nomad camp. for no reason.

oups, that was about QT's and not about house powers. nvm.

here I read a post and confused QT's with house powers

can we please stop this now?

also, it would be nice if someone could actually present the case against me, since it looks like I am the primary suspect. I claimed a role that makes no sense to claim as scum. I didn't do anything scummy day1. I used my power in the  most logical way possible. I don't see it.

[Voltaire]

I would like to reveal that while the ash stuff was going down, Hydrad and I were still talking in the Barath QT, and Hydrad was defending ash.

[Teproc]

silver : why wouldn't it make sense for scum to claim that ?

[Witherweaver]

Um.. you remember that one time that PPS dude was totally scum and we were trying to lynch him and you were all like "No, dudes!  XP is totally teh scums!  Let's lynch him!"

[Witherweaver]

I would like to reveal that while the ash stuff was going down, Hydrad and I were still talking in the Barath QT, and Hydrad was defending ash.

I would probably have defended Ash as scum.

[silverspawn]

I'm responding to what was in the quote, because I didn't respond to it the first time you said it.

the thing that made no sense about that post was that I used it instead of i

[Ichimaru Gin]

I would like to reveal that while the ash stuff was going down, Hydrad and I were still talking in the Barath QT, and Hydrad was defending ash.

I noticed Hydrad lightly defending ash in the thread as well. What does it make you think in regards to his alignment.
To be honest, I typed up a post in defense of ash, but ending up deleting it--so I think town is capable of defending him.

In Hydrad's case though, I feel like it was a preemptive grab for town points since he already knew ash's alignment.

PPE: WW. I agree with you.

[Voltaire]

I would like to reveal that while the ash stuff was going down, Hydrad and I were still talking in the Barath QT, and Hydrad was defending ash.

I would probably have defended Ash as scum.

That's what I'm sorta saying, I guess - ash distracting us from Hydrad could be a thing.

I'm considering all options.

[Witherweaver]

I'm responding to what was in the quote, because I didn't respond to it the first time you said it.

the thing that made no sense about that post was that I used it instead of i

Great, not the point.  The point is that your claim, and the manner in which you claimed it, is entirely believable as a scum fake claim.

[silverspawn]

I'm responding to what was in the quote, because I didn't respond to it the first time you said it.

the thing that made no sense about that post was that I used it instead of i

Great, not the point.  The point is that your claim, and the manner in which you claimed it, is entirely believable as a scum fake claim.

i thought you meant a different quote.

why is it believable as scum?

[Teproc]

I would like to reveal that while the ash stuff was going down, Hydrad and I were still talking in the Barath QT, and Hydrad was defending ash.

I would probably have defended Ash as scum.

That's what I'm sorta saying, I guess - ash distracting us from Hydrad could be a thing.

I'm considering all options.

Let's keep in mind that Hydrad is mega-scummy for his interactions with PPS anyway, and is probaly assuming he'll be lynched today.

[Witherweaver]

I'm responding to what was in the quote, because I didn't respond to it the first time you said it.

the thing that made no sense about that post was that I used it instead of i

Great, not the point.  The point is that your claim, and the manner in which you claimed it, is entirely believable as a scum fake claim.

i thought you meant a different quote.

why is it believable as scum?

It doesn't actually make no sense, because you would have come up with a fake claim before time.  And you'd be ready to present it, and not want to seem hesitant about it.

[Voltaire]

Fascinating. Green/Red are flips. Orange is probably town to everyone at this point (other than ash). So consider this biased with my reads.

D1 Final Vote

pacovf (3): ashersky, Witherweaver, EgorK
XerxesPraelor (3): Hydrad, pingpongsam, silverspawn
pingpongsam (7): Ichimaru Gin, Teproc, Robz888, pacovf, XerxesPraelor, Voltaire, azadin

pacof actually reached L-1, right? And then XP became the last-minute alternate wagon after that, if I'm remembering correctly. Which I would say is huge town points for both of them.

[silverspawn]

It doesn't actually make no sense, because you would have come up with a fake claim before time.  And you'd be ready to present it, and not want to seem hesitant about it

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okay, i get what you're saying. it makes some sense, though I could just claim VT and I'd be in less trouble now.

do you think I also claimed too early on purpose? because someone was saying, we can just let the investigative roles claim, and we don't have to do a massclaim I think it was Hydrad. Then Voltaire claimed, and I thought, so we're doing that, and I claimed.

[Teproc]

I don't think pacovf reached L-1, but he was certainly the main alternative to PPS after WW said no to XP, which is certainly worth town points.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Back to vote: Hydrad

I pretty much only want to lynch Hydrad or silver today. Hydrad has been pretty quiet lately, and as someone (Voltaire?) mentioned, I could easily see scum trying to distract from him with these huge fights and somewhat empty discussions.

PPE: 3

It irks me a little bit that people don't see me as town yet, but whatever. My actions speak for themselves.

[Voltaire]

Let's keep in mind that Hydrad is mega-scummy for his interactions with PPS anyway, and is probaly assuming he'll be lynched today.

Another interesting(TM) thing from the Barath QT about Hydrad is how he said (today) he was surprised I had a town read on him, something I said during N1 (I forget why).

[Voltaire]

It irks me a little bit that people don't see me as town yet, but whatever. My actions speak for themselves.

I think you're town and I think you should be strongly town, but not obv!town. So ~80% town, which is pretty good.

[Hydrad]

Ok I have a 15 minute break and you guys posted a ton catching up now.