wait no that last one isn't trueIt is now.
/in
I can't think of any girl-dwarves. But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember.
Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.
xoxo
/in
I can't think of any girl-dwarves. But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember.
Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.
xoxo
There's Cheery from Discworld. And, um...
/in
I can't think of any girl-dwarves. But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember.
Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.
xoxo
There's Cheery from Discworld. And, um...
Are we sad there isn't more gender equity in fictitious dwarves, or glad that there isn't a boat load of hypersexualized chick dwarves? Both, maybe.
/in
I can't think of any girl-dwarves. But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember.
Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.
xoxo
There's Cheery from Discworld. And, um...
Are we sad there isn't more gender equity in fictitious dwarves, or glad that there isn't a boat load of hypersexualized chick dwarves? Both, maybe.
A lot of media take the line that there are female dwarves, they just also have beards and deep voices and look the same.
/in
I can't think of any girl-dwarves. But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf.
Are we doing a mass-claim before the game even starts?/in
I can't think of any girl-dwarves. But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf.
My honorary-dwarf girl submission got accepted.
/in
I can't think of any girl-dwarves. But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf.
My honorary-dwarf girl submission got accepted.
PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.Does this extend to things like "Thread Locked" etc?
PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.Does this extend to things like "Thread Locked" etc?
I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P
This is way over my head.
Joth, whenever you post anything without PINL, please can you indicate whether or not you consider it to be a performative utterance. And add "PINL" to that indication.
I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P
Love you, mean it!
Can someone define when a mod becomes a mod? Is it at game posting? Game starting? When the idea was a nugget of imagination inside their head?
Joth has made a lot of posts thusfar that do not include PINL where he promises us things...
wait no that last one isn't true
I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P
Love you, mean it!
lol. what are the chances?
I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P
Love you, mean it!
lol. what are the chances?
There have been zero opportunities for me to say anything about how language constructs reality in the 2ish years I’ve been playing. It’s wonderful!!
While it is true that you decreeing the thread locked makes it so, it is also true that realities can shift the meaning of words as the community comes to understand them differently. “Locked” then becomes unmoored form it’s previous meaning and subject to our shifting collective understandings. Understandings like “Joth is not the boss of me,” unless, of course, he is.He can also just lock the thread for real.
While it is true that you decreeing the thread locked makes it so, it is also true that realities can shift the meaning of words as the community comes to understand them differently. “Locked” then becomes unmoored form it’s previous meaning and subject to our shifting collective understandings. Understandings like “Joth is not the boss of me,” unless, of course, he is.He can also just lock the thread for real.
Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.
I think this means the game has started, right?Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.
No PINL. Clearly a scum tell.
I think this means the game has started, right?Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.
No PINL. Clearly a scum tell.
Vote: Galzria
Vote: Galzria
I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.
No. And neither does anyone else on my scum team.Vote: Galzria
I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.
So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
No. And neither does anyone else on my scum team.Vote: Galzria
I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.
So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
No. And neither does anyone else on my scum team.Vote: Galzria
I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.
So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
that's weird. there must be two skum teams.
is yours spelled with a K or a C?
it matters for flavor.
No. And neither does anyone else on my scum team.Vote: Galzria
I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.
So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
that's weird. there must be two skum teams.
is yours spelled with a K or a C?
it matters for flavor.
You forgot to mention the one with a silent "z", skuzm. Or was that omission intentional?
PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.
The game will start this week. PINL.
Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.
Is it too late to join?
Well this seems like a perfectly cromulent number of players. I'll work out the setup tomorrow night and get us rolling by the weekend. Signups are still open.
Is it too late to join?That would be the whole of Codenames XI crew here.
Is it too late to join?
Is it too late to join?
Send Joth your dwarf name!
Is it too late to join?That would be the whole of Codenames XI crew here.
Scum: 3
WCD is a WONDERFUL RAINBOW!
WCD is a WONDERFUL RAINBOW!
RYPOGPB?
So choosing to use Pink instead of Indigo can be considered a style choice (or not realizing you can type color names to use some that are not in the dropdown)...
but putting Yellow before Orange and Purple (violet) before Blue? <shakes head>
WCD is Red.
But WCD is in pink because that is my favorite color
I’m pretty sure this game has already started, but Joth hasn’t told anybody and there are no public VC’s.
it's almost too late, but it's not!
oh my goodness. you all!
it turns out I forgot how long it takes to make a mafia setup from scratch with characters other people chose.
:startgame:
Good news everyone!
I finished the PMs/roles/setup.
I'll set up the QTs and send everything out tomorrow, and we'll get started tomorrow afternoon or evening.
PINL.
Oh shit I thought I signed up for wharf mafia
Oh shit I thought I signed up for wharf mafia
I think you were out of Actions.
Hi all,
1st rule of Dwarf club:
DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.
2nd rule of Dwarf club:
DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.
That is all.
DwarfvilleThere's also the alternative spelling "Dwarvfille".
Let it be known Mathdude us not getting exiled D1! Everyone knows this. It is known.
Oh shit I thought I signed up for wharf mafia
I think you were out of Actions.
/tag
/speccy
I never tag, but something told me I should post once in this thread.
/tag
/speccy
I never tag, but something told me I should post once in this thread.
Do you want to play? It’s not too late.
Hi hi hi hi!!
Galzy! I’ve missed you, too!! I hope that your new year is off to a great start.
Mix isn’t in this game?? No way! Vote: Joth for not recruiting his sorry ass. (I figure it’s a bastard game so I’m allowed to cuss, right? Will that he offensive to anyone? Lemme know and I’ll rein it in)
Who is playing?
1. Galzria
2. faust
3. Awaclus
4. pubby
5. mathdude
6. Swowl
7. infangthief
8. WestCoastDidds
9. Brightgalrs
10. Jimmmmm
11. EFHW
12. scolapasta
Oh fun!!! Some OGs in there. Jimmmmmm!! I’ve missed you, too!!
Hi all,
1st rule of Dwarf club:
DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.
2nd rule of Dwarf club:
DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.
That is all.
This "mathdude" dude hasn't posted yet, seems pretty suspicious to me.
MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.
Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.
Like I know pubby, so I might have a theory or two about who he picked.
MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.
MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.
Why did you have to kill MiX? Turned up green - we could have used one more Town player.
I'm trying to come up with a list of potentially evil dwarf characters but all I can think of is Mini Me and that tiny dude in Elf. Any more?Do you think people have intentionally submitted evil charcters?
Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.This is amazing but we could give ourselves away by being aware of certain dwarves. I found this very helpful dwarf list:
I also don't think that flavor indicates alignment because my dwarf should probably have been a bad dwarf if you go by flavor, but I'm good!
He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.
This vote doesn't make sense.He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.
How do you know red is scum? Vote: Galzria
This vote doesn't make sense.He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.
How do you know red is scum? Vote: Galzria
Vote: Awaclus
Note the use of punctuation. If I meant what you suggest, I would have used a colon rather than a period.This vote doesn't make sense.He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.
How do you know red is scum? Vote: Galzria
Vote: Awaclus
I agree, but then why did you cast it?
Note the use of punctuation. If I meant what you suggest, I would have used a colon rather than a period.
Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.This is amazing but we could give ourselves away by being aware of certain dwarves. I found this very helpful dwarf list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_dwarves
Side note: Something in my hands always wants to type drawf instead of dwarf. I apologize in advance.
Actually, I agree with faust.
vote: Awaclus
Jimmmmm (you’ve been absent too recently, yes?)
Jimmmmmm!! I’ve missed you, too!!
You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.
Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.This is amazing but we could give ourselves away by being aware of certain dwarves. I found this very helpful dwarf list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_dwarves
Side note: Something in my hands always wants to type drawf instead of dwarf. I apologize in advance.
You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.
But I've never liked pickles.
Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
No I'm not. But I could say "MiX seems like he'd choose to be Abraham Tuizentfloot. And then you're like "who's this Abraham Tuizentfloot?" And then we know you#re not him, but I might be him.Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.This is amazing but we could give ourselves away by being aware of certain dwarves. I found this very helpful dwarf list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_dwarves
Side note: Something in my hands always wants to type drawf instead of dwarf. I apologize in advance.
Are you saying it would be obvious you are scum if we knew who you were?
vote: faust
Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.
Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
What are you worried about?Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
Because it is an oddly specific question.
What are you worried about?Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
Because it is an oddly specific question.
Aw, that's nice, but I can assure you that I'm perfectly well :)What are you worried about?Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
Because it is an oddly specific question.
You!
Aw, that's nice, but I can assure you that I'm perfectly well :)What are you worried about?Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
Because it is an oddly specific question.
You!
Oh, good! I’m hoping that for the best for all of our f.ds friends and the lockdowns have been so hard. Do you have weekend plans?I'm staying with my parents for the week. Actually had to rent a car to get here, which was my first time driving in like 5 years or so and a bit scary, but it ended up alright. And now I'm taking a bit of a vacation.
Not playing: MiX, jotheonahSo everyone else is playing?
Galzria (1): Awaclus
And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.
Oh, good! I’m hoping that for the best for all of our f.ds friends and the lockdowns have been so hard. Do you have weekend plans?I'm staying with my parents for the week. Actually had to rent a car to get here, which was my first time driving in like 5 years or so and a bit scary, but it ended up alright. And now I'm taking a bit of a vacation.
Red Dwarf? Not evil as far as I know, but surely red.I'm trying to come up with a list of potentially evil dwarf characters but all I can think of is Mini Me and that tiny dude in Elf. Any more?Do you think people have intentionally submitted evil charcters?
It's a different vote.Actually, I agree with faust.
vote: Awaclus
That vote still doesn't make any sense.
It is. At least it was. She doesn't anymore, being 4 rather than 1 now.And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.
It’s great to see you fang! How are things in your neck of the woods? My favorite fang anecdote is your daughter making mcmcmcmc sounds (that’s a fang anecdote, right? I think so, but memory is shaky with avatar names for real people...)
^^Galzria (1): Awaclus
This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!
Vote: Galzria
It is. At least it was. She doesn't anymore, being 4 rather than 1 now.And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.
It’s great to see you fang! How are things in your neck of the woods? My favorite fang anecdote is your daughter making mcmcmcmc sounds (that’s a fang anecdote, right? I think so, but memory is shaky with avatar names for real people...)
Ah yes, real people. It is easy to forget they are there behind the avatars. This neck of the woods is good. I moved house and there are more woods.
I know one or two.It is. At least it was. She doesn't anymore, being 4 rather than 1 now.And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.
It’s great to see you fang! How are things in your neck of the woods? My favorite fang anecdote is your daughter making mcmcmcmc sounds (that’s a fang anecdote, right? I think so, but memory is shaky with avatar names for real people...)
Ah yes, real people. It is easy to forget they are there behind the avatars. This neck of the woods is good. I moved house and there are more woods.
What are these "real people" you are speaking of? "People" are only 2D forms, visible via screens, duh.
He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.
How do you know red is scum? Vote: Galzria
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or SmurfWhat a good theory.
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
This vote is anti-town.
vote: scola
@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?
This vote is anti-town.vote: scola
I see, so you accidentally left out the vote from the former post!
I know almost 1.5 jokes.
vote: scola
Vote Count 1.1
MiX (1): Galzria
Joth (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (1): Awaclus
faust (1): mathdude
Awaclus (1): infangthief
Brightgalrs (1): Jimmmmm
Not voting: faust, pubby, Swowl, Brightgalrs, EFHW, scolapasta
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah
Not playing: MiX, jotheonahSo everyone else is playing?
Exile all lurkers!
Vote: Ozle
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
Who is lurking?
Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
Ozle did everything.
Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
Ozle did everything.
Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
Vote: scolapasta
I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?
Vote: Galzria
I also don't think that flavor indicates alignment because my dwarf should probably have been a bad dwarf if you go by flavor, but I'm good!Good at playing the game, good in terms of alignment, or good as in feeling well?
He didn't. He asked what Good Dwarfs do.Ozle did everything.
Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
Vote: scolapasta
I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?
Vote: Galzria
A Good Dwarf doesn’t need to ask what Good Dwarves do.
He didn't. He asked what Good Dwarfs do.Ozle did everything.
Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
Vote: scolapasta
I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?
Vote: Galzria
A Good Dwarf doesn’t need to ask what Good Dwarves do.
You provided the information about what Good Dwarves do entirely unsolicited. Now, if, as you say, that information is not needed by a Good Dwarf, did you provide it to help a Bad Dwarf?
What does WCD have to do with it?
What does WCD have to do with it?
I was encouraging them to join me in exiling you.
Ozle did everything.
Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
Ozle did everything.
Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
By them, I meant WCD, as per the original conversation here.
Sorry for the noise.
KSHSSSHHSHSHSHSSHHSorry for the noise.
Me too.
Ozle did everything.
Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
Is Awaclus a VSCO girl? I think so!
Ozle did everything.
Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
I hope you don't get modkilled. He already killed MiX. One is enough. Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
By them, I meant WCD, as per the original conversation here.
OK, I get it now. Sorry for the noise.
Still not sure why you'd vote for me, though.
Ozle did everything.
I stand corrected on Dwarves vs Dwarfs. Entirely my fault.
As for offering advice to Bad Dwarf's, it's entirely possible that I did. Do you think that WCD is a Bad Dwarf? My advice, while unsolicited, was entirely pro-town.
Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.
Vote: DiddsVote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
Nope! 100% NOT EVIL! PINL
Was Rumpelstilskin a dwarf? Pubby might be Rumplestilskin. If we all say his name do we win??
Swowl thinks that he needs to apologize to his friends for not being around today. Swowl feels the need to let them know he was getting his Vaccine (yay) and then was at work all day. Swowl thinks of how he will try harder tomorrow.
@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?
I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard. Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.
@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?
I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard. Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.
And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?
I don’t have a real vote yet....maybe faust for fishing for infoBecause it's so scummy trying to figure out what people's alignments are!
I don’t have a real vote yet....maybe faust for fishing for infoBecause it's so scummy trying to figure out what people's alignments are!
I thought there's something weird going on with Jimmmmm as well.
Agreed. I just couldn't figure out a pithy enough way to say it.I thought there's something weird going on with Jimmmmm as well.
Definitely! Unless he really doesn’t like pickles...
Brightgalrs is town. Especially if that works.I'm just guessing, it has nothing to do with my role.
Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.
Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.
Or maybe Dopey? From a wiki, "Dopey is the only dwarf who doesn't speak, and instead communicates through pantomime". Not sure how you pantomime in a forum?
Prodded already? I swear I checked yesterday and it was still N0. Sorry, I'll catch up.My god... it worked! Or it was a coincidence!
The brighty/ pubby pair is powerful!! Beware!
I never tag, but something told me I should post once in this thread.
Most of the gamer dudes are going to have picked obscure dwarves I’ve never heard of. My not gamer friendlies will have chosen Disney dwarves or other popular culture ones like LoTR and whatnot.
I am the most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf had I been thinking about it more.
MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.
Why did you have to kill MiX? Turned up green - we could have used one more Town player.
He did not PINL MiX is not playing = MiX IS playing.
He did not PINL his Modkill was real = MiX is alive.
He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.
MiX also dodged my question on why he’s not scum this game.
Join me in exiling MiX.
I'm trying to come up with a list of potentially evil dwarf characters but all I can think of is Mini Me and that tiny dude in Elf. Any more?
Also I have it on good authority that not PINL != PIL.
Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Oh that's right, Mafia. I've decided to swear off RVS and vote only when I mean it. Vote: Brightgalrs
I don't have any pets.
You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.
But I've never liked pickles.
(https://i.imgflip.com/28ny29.jpg)
Galzria (1): Awaclus
This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!
Vote: Galzria
This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!^^
Vote: Galzria
vote: Galzria
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or SmurfWhat a good theory.
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
This is a good theory.
Vote: pubby
Nope! 100% NOT EVIL! PINL
I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.
But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.
You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
Vote: scolapasta
I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?
Vote: Galzria
A Good Dwarf doesn’t need to ask what Good Dwarves do.He didn't. He asked what Good Dwarfs do.
You provided the information about what Good Dwarves do entirely unsolicited. Now, if, as you say, that information is not needed by a Good Dwarf, did you provide it to help a Bad Dwarf?
I stand corrected on Dwarves vs Dwarfs. Entirely my fault.
As for offering advice to Bad Dwarf's, it's entirely possible that I did. Do you think that WCD is a Bad Dwarf? My advice, while unsolicited, was entirely pro-town.
@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?
I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard. Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.
And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?
And what is this good authority? Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.
Did you get yours with PINL?No I didn't.
And what is this good authority? Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.Did you get yours with PINL?No I didn't.
Brightgalrs is town. Especially if that works.I'm just guessing, it has nothing to do with my role.
Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.
Or maybe Dopey? From a wiki, "Dopey is the only dwarf who doesn't speak, and instead communicates through pantomime". Not sure how you pantomime in a forum?
I now know more about Dopey than ever before.
And what is this good authority? Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.
And what is this good authority? Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.Did you get yours with PINL?No I didn't.
Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!
Interesting. Is Joth forgetting PINL at times when he should use it? Or is faust lying about "not PINL = PIL"?What? I wrote "!=", not "=". I thought you were a mathdude!
Interesting. Is Joth forgetting PINL at times when he should use it? Or is faust lying about "not PINL = PIL"?What? I wrote "!=", not "=". I thought you were a mathdude!
EFHW (3): WestCoastDidds, BrightgalrsHmmm
Bastard mafia is the best excuse for sloppy vote counts!QuoteEFHW (3): WestCoastDidds, BrightgalrsHmmm
Joth (1): WestCoastDidds(From the first vote count)
I mean that wouldn't prove anything. You'd have to vote for someone else.Vote: Pubby
Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.
Or maybe Dopey? From a wiki, "Dopey is the only dwarf who doesn't speak, and instead communicates through pantomime". Not sure how you pantomime in a forum?
Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.
That's a good case.
Vote: scolapasta
Let's get this cleared up
Can I Request vote count?
Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.
That's a good case.
Vote: scolapasta
I know the drill, but I still gotta ask: why?
Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.
That's a good case.
Vote: scolapasta
I know the drill, but I still gotta ask: why?
You're a Bad Dwarf (Galzria, 2021).
References
Galzria. 2021. Because you're a Bad Dwarf. Dominion Strategy Forum. Retrieved 2021-04-09. http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20724.msg866539#msg866539.
So are you some kind of super nerdy dwarf? 🤓
I have an idea who Swowl might be - not sure if it's pro or anti town to say more than that.
I'm happy to join a wagon if someone sells it to me.This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!^^
Vote: Galzria
vote: Galzria
However, this looks really scummy to me. Ride along behind Awaclus?
@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?
I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard. Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.
And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?
I didn't notice this in Didds's quoted statements there. But are you reading "I'm Town... see, I'm Town" vibes? Or are you trying to help Didds prove they are Town?
vote: DiddsAnd what is this good authority? Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.Did you get yours with PINL?No I didn't.
Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!
Let's get this cleared upExcellent.
Can I Request vote count?
Also I was inspired by mathdude's du and de and made this:
(https://i.imgur.com/f7e1fhW.gif)
Swowl stands up, remembering he has grammaphobia - specific to the letter M.@Swowl, can Swowl vote while sitting down?
Vote: Jimmmmmmm
I have an idea who Swowl might be - not sure if it's pro or anti town to say more than that.
Swowl stands up, remembering he has grammaphobia - specific to the letter M.@Swowl, can Swowl vote while sitting down?
Vote: Jimmmmmmm
I have an idea who Swowl might be - not sure if it's pro or anti town to say more than that.
Swowl ponders on Pastas stance. And while he in unable to come up with a reason why it would be harmful... he feels in his heart it is probably best to not say anything unless there is an upside to it.
@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?
I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard. Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.
And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?
I didn't notice this in Didds's quoted statements there. But are you reading "I'm Town... see, I'm Town" vibes? Or are you trying to help Didds prove they are Town?
Ok, I think I've been misunderstood twice now so I'd better clarify. By "repeating", I meant repeating the behaviour of voting for EFHW.
And it's the first of your options. Do something as town one game. Next game well that seems a good place to start, hoping people will notice. Isn't that so Didds?
PPE: 3
There is no way to prove I’m town short of me finding and exiling scum, so you seem to be holding me to some standard I can’t achieve.If you say so.
Gerbils, all the way.You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.
But I've never liked pickles.
There is no way to prove I’m town short of me finding and exiling scum, so you seem to be holding me to some standard I can’t achieve.If you say so.
Shall we vote for Galzria then? I will if you will.
Voting for Galzria is a great idea, a lot of super towny people such as myself are already doing it.
I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.Why?
I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.Why?
@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)
You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.
What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.
Of course, but the odds are not 100%.I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.Why?
Because I know I’m a townie, and 4 players is a third of the pool. So, odds are good there is scum there.
Of course, but the odds are not 100%.I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.Why?
Because I know I’m a townie, and 4 players is a third of the pool. So, odds are good there is scum there.
Also, I see that policy voting is somewhat frowned upon (from reading other games)... but I still think Exiling lurkers is a good idea, absent of other reads. How can we read them if they don't post much? Easy way for Scum to hide. I'm all for voting out people who don't post much, especially early game before we have more information. If they are Town, they aren't helping us by not posting much. If they are Scum, they are hiding and hoping we don't notice.
Also, I see that policy voting is somewhat frowned upon (from reading other games)... but I still think Exiling lurkers is a good idea, absent of other reads. How can we read them if they don't post much? Easy way for Scum to hide. I'm all for voting out people who don't post much, especially early game before we have more information. If they are Town, they aren't helping us by not posting much. If they are Scum, they are hiding and hoping we don't notice.
I thoroughly agree.
I wonder if there's any chance this mysterious extra vote on EFHW is because of going 24 hours without posting? That would be kind of cool. Maybe. Though harsh if real life happens.
Feels like Jimmmmm and pubby have been gone a long time too, will they turn up with an extra vote in the next count??
Voting for Galzria is a great idea, a lot of super towny people such as myself are already doing it.
What do you think about Jimmmmmmm?
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
Hmmmmm let's try something.
@Jimmmmm, can you answer this question for me?
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD
Didds count
Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs
Didds count
Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs
How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD
Didds count
Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs
How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?
Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.
Unvote
I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:
Vote: Fang
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD
I was expecting to see a pubby vote here, since it's his logic.
This game feels sluggish and stuck and not at all bastard (other than the complete lack of vote counts).
There is nothing wrong with my vote counts, thank you very much.
Hmmm, I had read the "you" there to be Didds, not me. But I guess it could be read either way.
Galz, who were you referring to there?
Didds count
Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs
How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?
Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.
Unvote
I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:
Vote: Fang
Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.
What do you think about Didds?
I’m Doc. I have a nieighborhood with some of the other 7 dwarves.
I’m Doc. I have a nieighborhood with some of the other 7 dwarves.
I stand corrected on Didd’s being Happy.
Doc? Really? Why Doc over Happy?
Would it be beneficial to say who the other Dwarf’s are in your neighborhood?
Because I am a doc! But, of course, not that kind of doctor says every PhD everywhere.
The neighborhood had three people, including me. We all know each other’s dwarf names
Would it be beneficial to say who the other Dwarf’s are in your neighborhood?
One more question, is it night only? (since you could otherwise discuss now what to share)?
pubby (1): BrightgalrsOk so EFHW just has a standing vote. The question is when did that happen
EFHW (1):
MiX (1): GalzriaSo the extra vote was applied between the first and second count, meaning it was a day action that someone activated. And that timeframe was when both I and WestCoastDidds voted for EFHW. Something fishy there. Or... is this some extended rule I don't know about? like where being prodded makes you easier to exile for the rest of the day?
Joth (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (1): Awaclus
faust (1): mathdude
Awaclus (1): infangthief
Brightgalrs (1): Jimmmmm
Can flavor claims really matter? If they can, it should be beneficial to say how many people are in that neighborhood so that we know when all the 7dwarfs in the game have been claimed (assuming all of them are in the neighborhood, which is probably a reasonable assumption).They can matter to the extent that flavor will probably be related to role powers. So Didds being Doc... well, you get the idea.
I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.
Jimmmmm has not been prodded. Please do not abuse the prod function.
The Rules:
The Rest:
6. Players may request prods on other players if they have not posted in 24 hours. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.
But I've never liked pickles.
Requesting:
prod: Jimmmmm
(Doing just one to test).
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD
Can flavor claims really matter? If they can, it should be beneficial to say how many people are in that neighborhood so that we know when all the 7dwarfs in the game have been claimed (assuming all of them are in the neighborhood, which is probably a reasonable assumption).They can matter to the extent that flavor will probably be related to role powers. So Didds being Doc... well, you get the idea.
I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.
But in all seriousness, why would that be beneficial? We would have a better idea what kinds of abilities might exist in the game, but scum would too and that info is probably more useful to scum. I don't think knowing the exact names helps prevent fake claims substantially more than just knowing the number does.Well, I find it unlikely that all the dwarfs are town, so chances are scum already knows.
On the other hand, I guess it's possible and not super unlikely that scum is already in the neighborhood and therefore knows the names anyway. It might be beneficial after all.Ah yeah. Ha.
They can tell you if they want it to be known
The flavor names definitely have something to do with our abilities, as far as I can tell
In all seriousness, that's what I assumed faust meant. Now I am unclear what he means.I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.
They're Doc, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy, Bashful, Sneezy and Dopey.
But in all seriousness,
There is no way to prove I’m town short of me finding and exiling scum, so you seem to be holding me to some standard I can’t achieve.If you say so.
Shall we vote for Galzria then? I will if you will.
I 100% think there is scum on my wagon. So, any of those folks are good choices. I’m not so sure about Galzy. Usually when he’s scum he gets kind of aggro toward someone, but he has not been as been as aggro as you have. So, I’m not quite sure why you want to work together.
Voting for Galzria is a great idea, a lot of super towny people such as myself are already doing it.
@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)
You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.
What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.
Of course, but the odds are not 100%.I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.Why?
Because I know I’m a townie, and 4 players is a third of the pool. So, odds are good there is scum there.
True enough. So the odds are not 100%, but I still 100% think there is scum aboard my train
Vote: WCD
Here's the logic:
- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
QED
Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD
Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.
Unvote
I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:
Vote: Fang
Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.
What do you think about Didds?
I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.
I think her wagon has gotten piled on because wagons are fun, and it’s a BM game so nobody cares quite that much. It definitely has a Bad Dwarf or two on it, but is probably largely a town wagon.
I think Fang & Math are the scummiest two on the wagon, followed by faust, then Jimmmmm, then pubby - in that order (Awaclus would fit between faust & Jimmmmm).
As far as I can see, it was more than 48 hours from Jimmmm's previous post to my prod request. Then he posted a few hours after my request (before the vote count):My math agrees with your math dude.
<snip>
Did I miss something?
If Didds is town, it is good to have Didds' opinion on Galzria.@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)
You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.
What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.
Curious why fang is just taking Didds' word on Galz. Wouldn't it make more sense to be skeptical? Only scum knows who's who, so they don't need to question information.
On the other hand, I guess it's possible and not super unlikely that scum is already in the neighborhood and therefore knows the names anyway. It might be beneficial after all.
But in all seriousness, why would that be beneficial? We would have a better idea what kinds of abilities might exist in the game, but scum would too and that info is probably more useful to scum. I don't think knowing the exact names helps prevent fake claims substantially more than just knowing the number does.Well, I find it unlikely that all the dwarfs are town, so chances are scum already knows.
What if they're all scum and it's just the scum QT?!?
As far as I can see, it was more than 48 hours from Jimmmm's previous post to my prod request. Then he posted a few hours after my request (before the vote count):My math agrees with your math dude.
<snip>
Did I miss something?
Presumably Joth did not see your prod request until after Jimmmmm had already posted, so fair enough for him not to be prodded I suppose, but I think your request was entirely valid at the time you made it. On the other hand, this being BM, the normal prohibition on use of time machines might not apply...
I have a feeling there were various other prodables around that time also, but haven't checked. Galzria, maybe pubby.
@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?
PPE: 1
If Didds is town, it is good to have Didds' opinion on Galzria.@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)
You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.
What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.
Curious why fang is just taking Didds' word on Galz. Wouldn't it make more sense to be skeptical? Only scum knows who's who, so they don't need to question information.
If Didds is scum, it is even better to have Didds' opinion on Galzria.
PPE: 1
Toot my own horn again... this is starting to look normal coming from Awaclus, but it still seems odd to me that you need to keep "reminding" us that you're Town.
pubby (1): BrightgalrsOk so EFHW just has a standing vote. The question is when did that happen
EFHW (1):
The first vote count went like this:MiX (1): GalzriaSo the extra vote was applied between the first and second count, meaning it was a day action that someone activated. And that timeframe was when both I and WestCoastDidds voted for EFHW. Something fishy there. Or... is this some extended rule I don't know about? like where being prodded makes you easier to exile for the rest of the day?
Joth (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (1): Awaclus
faust (1): mathdude
Awaclus (1): infangthief
Brightgalrs (1): Jimmmmm
Still need to read the rest of the thread.
MiX is probably Ukifune Jinnai: The Dwarf Toilet Ninja, if I had to guess!
Also, early DAMA. I’m a swirl in, which is like 2 cocktails - about to go make a cocktail, drink a beer, and watch the Giant’s game. After which I’ll be going over XxxRaptor’s house to celebrate his birthday (yay for all vaccinated gang!), where I’ve pre prepared Clarified Paper Plane cocktails ... so as long as I’m checking my phone - DAMA for the rest of the night!
Didds count
Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs
How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?
Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.
Unvote
I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:
Vote: Fang
Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.
What do you think about Didds?
I would also like a full claim from Didds.
Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Swowl finds himself wondering why fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.
Didds count
Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs
How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?
Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.
Unvote
I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:
Vote: Fang
Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.
What do you think about Didds?
I've gone and had a look.
vote: Galzria
Can point me to exactly which post you were referring to?
Didds count
Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs
How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?
Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.
Unvote
I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:
Vote: Fang
Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.
What do you think about Didds?
I've gone and had a look.
vote: Galzria
Can point me to exactly which post you were referring to?
I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.
I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.
I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.
The wagon was towny because the person on the wagon — myself — was towny.
Didds count
Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs
How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?
Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.
Unvote
I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:
Vote: Fang
Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.
What do you think about Didds?
I've gone and had a look.
vote: Galzria
Can point me to exactly which post you were referring to?
I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.
Wait... was this mixup just recently? or from the beginning, i.e. your first vote on me.
Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.
Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy
So why did you flavor claim in the first place? Wasn't it because you felt threatened?Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Tell me or I’ll vote for you is always going to be a losing strategy with me. I don’t like being threatened.
I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.
The wagon was towny because the person on the wagon — myself — was towny.
Yes, I’m aware of what you meant. I don’t think fang meant what you meant.
"Tell me or I’ll vote for you" isn't quite what I said, or meant.Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Tell me or I’ll vote for you is always going to be a losing strategy with me. I don’t like being threatened.
It helps determine her alignment. This is like, standard stuff. Fakeclaims are tough to come up with. Plus, she already claimed Doc, and that flavor corresponds to role powers. This means Didds has provided all the information scum would need - the fact that she is a protective role - so claiming more wouldn't actually hurt town in any way.Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Swowl finds himself wondering why fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.
Yeah. I’m not sure Didds needs to claim any more than she has. Don’t see how it helps town in any way.
Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Swowl finds himself wondering why fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.
I’m Doc.and
The flavor names definitely have something to do with our abilities, as far as I can tell...
This is apparently correct, yes. Your avatars aren’t particularly similar, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The entire time I’ve thought you were a Bad Dwarf, I’ve meant fang. Which, as it happens, supports my read on where I think scum is on Didds wagon.Must be that codenames XI team!
Let's vote for faust, Joth and Swowl. It might get us a win for .. er.. red team. Now that's going to look scummy out of context!This is apparently correct, yes. Your avatars aren’t particularly similar, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The entire time I’ve thought you were a Bad Dwarf, I’ve meant fang. Which, as it happens, supports my read on where I think scum is on Didds wagon.Must be that codenames XI team!
We've had so many people voting for Didds, where have they all gone? :(
@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?
@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?
Nope. If I'm not posting it means I'm not following along.
Happy with a WCD lynch. Unvote
Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends in 32 hours.
It should however be generally understood that a refusal to cooperate with town is ... well, bad, and doing so out of spite or some kind of vague fear is anti-town. Didds has basically refused to engage with me all game.
Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.
Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy
We do tooooooo!
Once all this COVID shit ends, you’re not THAT far from us! We need to plan a trip down to hang & drink!
"Tell me or I’ll vote for you" isn't quite what I said, or meant.Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Tell me or I’ll vote for you is always going to be a losing strategy with me. I don’t like being threatened.
It helps determine her alignment. This is like, standard stuff. Fakeclaims are tough to come up with. Plus, she already claimed Doc, and that flavor corresponds to role powers. This means Didds has provided all the information scum would need - the fact that she is a protective role - so claiming more wouldn't actually hurt town in any way.Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:I would also like a full claim from Didds.
A full claim benefits town at this point.
Swowl finds himself wondering why fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.
Yeah. I’m not sure Didds needs to claim any more than she has. Don’t see how it helps town in any way.
Does anyone know when the deadline is???
Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.
I think it's in around 9 hours. This was around 23 hours ago:
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends in 32 hours.
Does anyone know when the deadline is???
You refused to answer my initial question, and refused further calls to claiming. You also haven't meaningfully addressed my question of why you thought there was scum on your wagon.It should however be generally understood that a refusal to cooperate with town is ... well, bad, and doing so out of spite or some kind of vague fear is anti-town. Didds has basically refused to engage with me all game.
Huh? How have I refused to engage with you? I thought we had an interesting exchange about PINL.
I am not refusing to cooperate with town at all. A full claim of my role would not be beneficial for us, and as far as the qt those folks should get to say who they are. I don't see that outing them as 7 dwarves helps town, although I could be convinced otherwise.
Pubby is definitely an option.But not as good an option as Diddzria.
I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.@faust what did you mean by this?
@Awaclus did Didds do anything that you found towny?
Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.
Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy
We do tooooooo!
Once all this COVID shit ends, you’re not THAT far from us! We need to plan a trip down to hang & drink!
But actually, faust, I think you've been quite unclear about how much you've been wanting Didds to claim. Were you hoping she'd claim lots of things which helped scum, then you could say oh I didn't mean claim that much?
But actually, faust, I think you've been quite unclear about how much you've been wanting Didds to claim. Were you hoping she'd claim lots of things which helped scum, then you could say oh I didn't mean claim that much?I wanted her to claim her role. I thought this much was clear.
Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.
Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy
We do tooooooo!
Once all this COVID shit ends, you’re not THAT far from us! We need to plan a trip down to hang & drink!
I know I'm on the wrong coast, but don't you dare leave me out of this :P
Vote count coming soon.
Pubby is definitely an option.But not as good an option as Diddzria.
vote: Galzria
@Awaclus did Didds do anything that you found towny?
@Jimmmmm same question.
@Didds, same question.
Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.
Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy
We do tooooooo!
Once all this COVID shit ends, you’re not THAT far from us! We need to plan a trip down to hang & drink!
I know I'm on the wrong coast, but don't you dare leave me out of this :P
Vote count coming soon.
You are so /in!
You refused to answer my initial question, and refused further calls to claiming. You also haven't meaningfully addressed my question of why you thought there was scum on your wagon.It should however be generally understood that a refusal to cooperate with town is ... well, bad, and doing so out of spite or some kind of vague fear is anti-town. Didds has basically refused to engage with me all game.
Huh? How have I refused to engage with you? I thought we had an interesting exchange about PINL.
I am not refusing to cooperate with town at all. A full claim of my role would not be beneficial for us, and as far as the qt those folks should get to say who they are. I don't see that outing them as 7 dwarves helps town, although I could be convinced otherwise.
The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it". I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.
The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it". I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.
It is likely that scum has someone in the neighborhood, in which case they already know and it's just town that doesn't.
I am not following your argument.The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it". I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.
It is likely that scum has someone in the neighborhood, in which case they already know and it's just town that doesn't.
Which is a reason to tell you who is i the neighborhood, but faust wants to know which dwarf names...
The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it". I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.
It is likely that scum has someone in the neighborhood, in which case they already know and it's just town that doesn't.
Which is a reason to tell you who is i the neighborhood, but faust wants to know which dwarf names...
If MiX were playing, he'd be annoyed that I shared my name, but also know it made me townThat your name made you town, or sharing your name made you town?
drawf names.HA!
@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?
Nope. If I'm not posting it means I'm not following along.
Happy with a WCD lynch. Unvote
Okay pubby's probably a better exile than Didds. PINL. Vote: pubby
Deadline's in the morning for me. I normally sleep in past then, so I should be around for it if the Day's still going.
Jimmmmm has still not been prodded. He's just too fast for me. Keep trying though, we'll get him some time.
I'm serious, definitely not playing and already modkilled even if he were: MiX
The setup will be mostly closed, but will probably disclose some things. PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.
Awaclus wants to know what people are in the neighborhood.
faust wants to know the names of the dwarves in the neighborhood.
I am way more comfortable sharing the people than their drawf names.
Why is pubby a better exile? A "reason" like this is just as helpful as not giving a reason at all.Why do you question a pubby exile, who has done even less than Jimmmmm, and then proceed to call for a lurker exile of Jimmmmmm?
Jimmmmm is not participating much. He isn't offering anything useful even when he does show up. I think he's quite possibly scum. And even if he is town, he's not helping us and not giving us anything to help town-read him later.
Vote: Jimmmmm
drawf names.HA!
I am the most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf had I been thinking about it more.
I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us
Awaclus wants to know what people are in the neighborhood.
faust wants to know the names of the dwarves in the neighborhood.
I am way more comfortable sharing the people than their drawf names.
I might have communicated unclearly, but I agree with faust. Having a better idea what kinds of roles are present in the game helps both town and scum, because it means everyone can plan their actions better. Currently, it is more likely than not that scum already has that information and town doesn't, which is why it's beneficial to reveal it.
Having a better idea who has those roles, as far as I can tell, is only a negligible benefit to town, whereas it is a considerable benefit to scum. Even though most likely revealing it would just negligibly benefit town because scum already knows, the benefit to town doesn't seem important enough to justify taking the risk.
Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.
Like I know pubby, so I might have a theory or two about who he picked.
Ohhhhhh...... I like it!
Most of the gamer dudes are going to have picked obscure dwarves I’ve never heard of. My not gamer friendlies will have chosen Disney dwarves or other popular culture ones like LoTR and whatnot.
I am the most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf had I been thinking about it more.
I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us
Then why did she share initially?
Pubby is definitely an option.But not as good an option as Diddzria.
vote: Galzria
@Awaclus did Didds do anything that you found towny?
@Jimmmmm same question.
@Didds, same question.
Ummm... I think it is towny of me to try not to get exiled, not overshare information about who the 7 dwarves are, and to keep back the parts of my role that would not be beneficial for scum to know.
I also think it is towny of me to advocate that we not exile the people who are showing up
If MiX were playing, he'd be annoyed that I shared my name, but also know it made me town
No, it wasn't unprompted. It was a response. Here is the full quoteStill waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.
Like I know pubby, so I might have a theory or two about who he picked.
Ohhhhhh...... I like it!
Most of the gamer dudes are going to have picked obscure dwarves I’ve never heard of. My not gamer friendlies will have chosen Disney dwarves or other popular culture ones like LoTR and whatnot.
I am the most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf had I been thinking about it more.
If MiX were playing, he'd be annoyed that I shared my name, but also know it made me townThat your name made you town, or sharing your name made you town?
IIRC, I prodded EFHW before she posted, I just didn't mention the prod until after she had posted. With Jimmmmm, he always gets a post in before I get a chance to prod him. It doesn't matter, prods don't suddenly have hidden mechanical depths, PINL. Although, great idea for future bastard games.
No, it wasn't unprompted. It was a response. Here is the full quoteYou were not asked to hint at yourself. For what reason would you post that?
Awaclus wants to know what people are in the neighborhood.
faust wants to know the names of the dwarves in the neighborhood.
I am way more comfortable sharing the people than their drawf names.
I might have communicated unclearly, but I agree with faust. Having a better idea what kinds of roles are present in the game helps both town and scum, because it means everyone can plan their actions better. Currently, it is more likely than not that scum already has that information and town doesn't, which is why it's beneficial to reveal it.
Having a better idea who has those roles, as far as I can tell, is only a negligible benefit to town, whereas it is a considerable benefit to scum. Even though most likely revealing it would just negligibly benefit town because scum already knows, the benefit to town doesn't seem important enough to justify taking the risk.
Ah, I see. Yes, I was confused.
Scola, as someone who says maybe don't tell.... what do you think? Reveal which dwarves are in the game?
I might have communicated unclearly, but I agree with faust. Having a better idea what kinds of roles are present in the game helps both town and scum, because it means everyone can plan their actions better. Currently, it is more likely than not that scum already has that information and town doesn't, which is why it's beneficial to reveal it.
Having a better idea who has those roles, as far as I can tell, is only a negligible benefit to town, whereas it is a considerable benefit to scum. Even though most likely revealing it would just negligibly benefit town because scum already knows, the benefit to town doesn't seem important enough to justify taking the risk.
Why is pubby a better exile? A "reason" like this is just as helpful as not giving a reason at all.Why do you question a pubby exile, who has done even less than Jimmmmm, and then proceed to call for a lurker exile of Jimmmmmm?
Jimmmmm is not participating much. He isn't offering anything useful even when he does show up. I think he's quite possibly scum. And even if he is town, he's not helping us and not giving us anything to help town-read him later.
Vote: Jimmmmm
Did y'all miss the post when I claimed to be in a neighborhood too?
I'm still not convinced of the numbers. "Currently it is more likely than not that scum already has that information". How can you know that? Do you know how many scum there are? Do you know that scum is in the group? Are you scum and in that group? In a BM game, how can we even guess any numbers?
I may not be able to read many of you guys yet, being fairly new. But I can play numbers games. From Didds' perspective, if she's town, and we assume 3 scum out of 12 players this game (which I fully admit could be slightly or completely wrong!)... the remaining 2 in her neighbourhood have (8C2)/(11C2)=28/55 (~50%) chance of both being town. If there are only 2 scum, I believe that works out to 36/55 (~65%) chance the other two are town. And if Didds is scum, none of this matters since she already knows enough about the neighbourhood.
So are you still fairly sure that "scum already knows who's in the neighbourhood"?
But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.Is this a slip? I didn't say anything about the neighborhood being me and only one other person.
I can see several players here not caring about my reveal, but I would think surely the guy doing the calculations and trying to determine the setup would care about there being a second neighborhood.I was just about to post about that:
One more question, is it night only? (since you could otherwise discuss now what to share)?
No, it’s always open. It has not been very active...
I'm in a neighborhood too but we only have daychat. It's unrelated to my role - I was invited in the middle of D1 by another player.There is an apparent contradiction here, which I've highlighted in bold. And it's such an obvious one, that because no one else has picked up on it, I'm inclined to believe that it's willful ignorance on the part of the Bad Dwarfs. Like they're intentionally overlooking such useful ammunition because WCD is their ally.
Could two neighborhoods have different chat restrictions? Sure, but keep in mind my main point is that no one has remarked on this for the last 100 posts.
So far there's been only a handful of remarkable things. EFHW's strange extra vote. WestCoastDidds's nameclaim (and partial roleclaim). And then pubby's partial roleclaim.Could two neighborhoods have different chat restrictions? Sure, but keep in mind my main point is that no one has remarked on this for the last 100 posts.
Maybe nobody remarked on it because it wasn't very remarkable.
So far there's been only a handful of remarkable things. EFHW's strange extra vote. WestCoastDidds's nameclaim (and partial roleclaim). And then pubby's partial roleclaim.Could two neighborhoods have different chat restrictions? Sure, but keep in mind my main point is that no one has remarked on this for the last 100 posts.
Maybe nobody remarked on it because it wasn't very remarkable.
"willful ignorance" indeed.
But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.Is this a slip? I didn't say anything about the neighborhood being me and only one other person.
I can see several players here not caring about my reveal, but I would think surely the guy doing the calculations and trying to determine the setup would care about there being a second neighborhood.
And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.
And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.
And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.
Didds count
Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, , EFHW, mathdude
pubby (3): Awaclus, Jimmmmm, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (3): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs
Galzria (1): infangthief
infangthief (1): Galzria
EFHW (1):
Not voting: scolapasta
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends at 5:15 pm forum time.
I don't get what the "slip" is.If the person who invited me is scum, and you are scum, then you would know that I was in their neighborhood and that there were only 2 of us at the moment.
At this point, I’m finding myself wondering why the people in my neighborhood are choosing not to share that.Pardon my shouting, but YOU HAVE DAYCHAT WITH THESE PEOPLE. You would have asked them in that, and would be aware of their thoughts on the matter!
I was giving everyone a chance to read in, but the choice to remain anonymous seems suspect to me.
unvoteunvote
Nobody wants to Exile fang, apparently.
Let me iso Didds, Jimmmmm & pubby, and then I’ll vote for one of those 3.
wait, so your argument is that I don't have a neighborhood with daychat? That I am making it all up?Yep.
At this point, I’m finding myself wondering why the people in my neighborhood are choosing not to share that.
I was giving everyone a chance to read in, but the choice to remain anonymous seems suspect to me.
Did y'all miss the post when I claimed to be in a neighborhood too?I noticed it, and it struck me as an odd way to avoid engaging in the discussion about Didds, who was at X-1 with you on her wagon.
wait, so your argument is that I don't have a neighborhood with daychat? That I am making it all up?Yep.
If you were in a day chat, it's 100% given the other members would be talking about what to reveal.
If you're clueless enough to say,At this point, I’m finding myself wondering why the people in my neighborhood are choosing not to share that.
I was giving everyone a chance to read in, but the choice to remain anonymous seems suspect to me.
that means you don't have daychat.
It's turning into a bit of a capital-D Day here in real life land, so I'm not going to be able to supply a lot of vote counts. You all have an hour and 40 minutes until deadline and I will keep an eye on things as best I can. PINL.Hope things are ok Joth.
YOU HAVE DAYCHAT WITH THESE PEOPLE.Can dwarfs read font size bigger than 10?
YOU HAVE DAYCHAT WITH THESE PEOPLE.Can dwarfs read font size bigger than 10?
Happy with a WCD lynch. Unvote(That was an unvote from WCD, btw.)
Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.
Deadline's in the morning for me. I normally sleep in past then, so I should be around for it if the Day's still going.
Okay pubby's probably a better exile than Didds. PINL. Vote: pubby... ) are the only things that tie him to any particular stance.
I'm getting vaccinated in about 15 min and don't think I'll be back in time for the deadline.
Interesting point about Jim's contradictory statements, I think I had noticed one or more of them in passing, but good to put several together.Well, he might like Pickles. Or not like them. I can't remember which way round he said it.
Is there a dwarf that lies? if so, is it possible to garner any hidden gems from other seemingly non contradictory statements?
I think I've explained myself pretty well. I don't care (anymore? even when I did it was a "huh, that's kinda funky") about this game having two neighborhoods. I'm purely voting for a meta-reason, ie. no one jumped on Didds for their neighborhood having a different mechanic than pubby's. Yes, no one jumped on pubby either, but remember that he was reacting to Didds's partial claim.And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.
So why are you voting Didds and not Pubby?
I would’ve been much more suspect if they were claimed to be the same mechanic. The fact that they’re different probably wasn’t talked about because it’s a complete null fact.
What are you worried about?Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
Because it is an oddly specific question.
You!
And what is this good authority? Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.Did you get yours with PINL?No I didn't.
Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!
I think I've explained myself pretty well. I don't care (anymore? even when I did it was a "huh, that's kinda funky") about this game having two neighborhoods. I'm purely voting for a meta-reason, ie. no one jumped on Didds for their neighborhood having a different mechanic than pubby's. Yes, no one jumped on pubby either, but remember that he was reacting to Didds's partial claim.And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.
So why are you voting Didds and not Pubby?
I would’ve been much more suspect if they were claimed to be the same mechanic. The fact that they’re different probably wasn’t talked about because it’s a complete null fact.
I’m not following that logic at all.That's alright.
Didds has 3x the posts of Pubby & Jimmmmm combined. That’s somewhat expected, but still, it’s noteworthy that the most vocal players are often the most suspected players because they’re generating the most noise. Does Didds activity level say anything about her alignment?
Didds, looking back, how would you characterize this exchange?What are you worried about?Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
Because it is an oddly specific question.
You!
In the following exchange, the same question asked from Math to faust, and the pursuing answer, seems to catch you off guard. I’m trying to put my finger on why these two exchanges feel off. Any thoughts?And what is this good authority? Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.Did you get yours with PINL?No I didn't.
Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!
The thing about Jimmmmm, is that he has several intentionally self-contradictory posts, saying the opposite of what he means:Happy with a WCD lynch. Unvote(That was an unvote from WCD, btw.)Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.Deadline's in the morning for me. I normally sleep in past then, so I should be around for it if the Day's still going.
Which is fine and dandy for BM, I guess. Nice to have someone playing like that. Thank you Jimmmmm.
BUT... that means that his votes (and maybe occasional "PINL" statements like this:Okay pubby's probably a better exile than Didds. PINL. Vote: pubby... ) are the only things that tie him to any particular stance.
So that's my lurker exile of choice.
On the other hand, the things about Didds are:
- I think she is likely a Bad Dwarf. (Brief case: she didn't make much effort to fight her slowly growing wagon, instead relying on the "Doc" claim to save her. If she were town - in my limited experience she is good at arguing against her wagon as town. And so would not have needed to "out" herself. I think it is unlikely that Joth felt forced to give town alignment based on character name "Doc".)
- On the other hand she is active.
- Also I find myself believing her on many points, especially in this most recent argument with pubby about her neighbourhood.
So, do I have the courage of my convictions and go for active but scummy Didds. I don't know. I will try to understand pubby's argument...
PPE 5
I'm not following it either. Care to explain any further?I’m not following that logic at all.That's alright.
Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
Interesting fact - Jimmmmm is online now.
Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
Unvote
Swowl - do you think that:
A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B
?
Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?
With this (almost) stalemate, it makes me feel like either:
1. both are town, and scum doesn't care who gets exiled, or
2. both are scum, and scum can't change the wagon this late (just has to hope for no exile)
Also possible, though less likely... one is scum, the other is not, and partner(s) are already locked and can't sway the votes anymore.
With this (almost) stalemate, it makes me feel like either:
1. both are town, and scum doesn't care who gets exiled, or
2. both are scum, and scum can't change the wagon this late (just has to hope for no exile)
Also possible, though less likely... one is scum, the other is not, and partner(s) are already locked and can't sway the votes anymore.
I think the third option is much more likely than the second.
With this (almost) stalemate, it makes me feel like either:
1. both are town, and scum doesn't care who gets exiled, or
2. both are scum, and scum can't change the wagon this late (just has to hope for no exile)
Also possible, though less likely... one is scum, the other is not, and partner(s) are already locked and can't sway the votes anymore.
I think the third option is much more likely than the second.
Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
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Swowl - do you think that:
A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B
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Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?
Swowl writes a note to galz on a piece of parchment stating they think that the answer to their question is an in between.
Swowl does feel like Didds is Town, but also feels the need to put forth that they do not have a crazy SR on Jimmm, it is just a better option than didds to them by a mile at this point.
Well I guess I better Vote: Didds, in case the mail comes today.
Yes, Swowl is a 7 dwarf. I think Scola had already figured that out.
Swowl wonders if Awaclus thinks it is more likely than the first
Swowl wonders if Awaclus thinks it is more likely than the first
Probably about the same? I can't be assed to do the math but I think it's roughly as likely to pick 2 town or 1 town, 1 scum out of 3 scum and 9 town, which I'm assuming is the setup unless we get evidence of third parties existing. I don't think the fact that we have a "stalemate" is indicative in either direction.
How much time do we have?
Swowl wonders if Awaclus thinks it is more likely than the first
Probably about the same? I can't be assed to do the math but I think it's roughly as likely to pick 2 town or 1 town, 1 scum out of 3 scum and 9 town, which I'm assuming is the setup unless we get evidence of third parties existing. I don't think the fact that we have a "stalemate" is indicative in either direction.
I wonder if we get twilight.
@Jimmmmm: do you have anything useful to say while you have the chance?
@Jimmmmm: do you have anything useful to say while you have the chance?
Never forget who you are.
Swowl wonders if anyone has information regarding the weird EFHW vote count thing.
He also wonders if anyone else started getting mod messages in Norse.
Swowl chuckles when he thinks about the time he spent on google to figure out it was Norse.
Swowl wonders if anyone has information regarding the weird EFHW vote count thing.
He also wonders if anyone else started getting mod messages in Norse.
Swowl chuckles when he thinks about the time he spent on google to figure out it was Norse.
that it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argumentThis was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.
I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.
Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.Quotethat it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argumentThis was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.
Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.Quotethat it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argumentThis was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.
What more proof are going to require beyond another player corroborating the claim? Do you think Swowl & Didds are scum together?
Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
I missed that post, thanks.
I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.
Yeah, I know, but you remember that used that Day vote/Night vote mix up to justify your vote on Didds. Clearing that up should've been important to a Good Dwarf, even if it casts some suspicion on you. Yet, you tried to back away from doing your duty and that's where my suspicion comes from!Quotethat it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argumentThis was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.
Well I've thought of a way to verifiably prove if WCD has daychat with Swowl or not.
I've posted a secret message in Bright's fortress chat. I want Didds to relay this message to Swowl, and I want Swowl to post it today.
This will more or less settle if my attack on Didds is cool pubby beans or idiotic shut-up pubby beans.
Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.Quotethat it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argumentThis was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.
What more proof are going to require beyond another player corroborating the claim? Do you think Swowl & Didds are scum together?
EBWOP
Well I've thought of a way to verifiably prove if WCD has daychat with Swowl or not.
I've posted a secret message in Bright's fortress chat. I want Didds to relay this message to Swowl, and I want Swowl to post it today.
This will more or less settle if my attack on Didds is cool pubby beans or idiotic shut-up pubby beans.
.... you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave....
pubby and you could be scumpartners with daychat? Do I get a strawpenny?Well I've thought of a way to verifiably prove if WCD has daychat with Swowl or not.
I've posted a secret message in Bright's fortress chat. I want Didds to relay this message to Swowl, and I want Swowl to post it today.
This will more or less settle if my attack on Didds is cool pubby beans or idiotic shut-up pubby beans.
Swowl finds no reason at this time not to agree to this... while also pointing out there is a pretty significant flaw with it.
Swowl offers one strawpenny to anyone that wants to point it out.
Swowl frustratingly kicks a random normal size bystander, bc eff them, and points out the same logic works for faust, or anyone else with shared access to the fortress thing.What? Nono, I don't have access to any sort of fortress.
Whoever caused the hated/loved thing should claim.
infangthief is floating above the ground. He is now loved. He takes one additional vote to exile.Thank you all, I am touched.
The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.Have you thought carefully about who you're inviting to your neighbourhood, or are these just two random names you came up with quickly so you can act fast?
Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.Quotethat it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argumentThis was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.
Hated is more important I'd think, as that is a person who specifically wants pubby to be easier to exile. It would be very helpful to know whether that comes from town or scum. I just kind of assumed that both came from the same source.Whoever caused the hated/loved thing should claim.
I don't know anything about the loved thing, but I might or might not know something about the hated thing.
Hated is more important I'd think, as that is a person who specifically wants pubby to be easier to exile. It would be very helpful to know whether that comes from town or scum. I just kind of assumed that both came from the same source.Whoever caused the hated/loved thing should claim.
I don't know anything about the loved thing, but I might or might not know something about the hated thing.
BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.Whoever was responsible for vaccinating the mod should claim.
Apparently, he got shot! Very scummy.BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.Whoever was responsible for vaccinating the mod should claim.
BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.
BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.
Where did you get it? I somehow managed to get Porter Square!
Jimmmmm (7): Swowl, EFHW, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Galzria, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief, Jimmmmm
EFHW (1):
I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.
Swowl walks to the local dwarf library, checks out a copy of "Playing with Galzria", and mails it to pubby.
fang votes for Didds, then in the same post switches the vote to Galz.It wasn't a vote for Didds, it was a vote for "Diddzria" which is an amalgamation of "Didds" and "Galzira", and my attempt to be funny while at the same time saying I think both Didds and Galzria are scum. It would have been an invalid vote (though with BM who knows?!).
Vote:
I believe it came from me, but I'm not at all sure. I targeted pubby with an ability that doesn't say anything about hated, but it does imply that it has mysterious unknown effects in addition to the part that is explicitly known.Awaclus did target me, but I didn't receive any message about becoming hated. I do know part of Awaclus's effect though. It doesn't seem pro-town or pro-scum. If anything, it makes me suspect 3rd party.
@Didds, did you have a choice about whether or not to accept the invitation? If so, what were your thought processes in deciding whether or not to accept?
@Galzria, same question.
I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).Swowl Swowl Swowl.
I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).Swowl Swowl Swowl.
I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).Interesting that I haven't mentioned Swowl, or interesting that I think Galz and Didds are bad dwarves?
I can't help but think you'd find this less awesome if you had been on the toilet when I called you.I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).Swowl Swowl Swowl.
Swowl appears like a freeking Dwarf-Beetlejuice out of no where. It is awesome. He hopes it makes up for his croaking voice and grinding teeth, as he has been awake for wayyyyy to long.
Vote:
I'm confused by this. Can you not vote? Not vote publicly?
I believe it came from me, but I'm not at all sure. I targeted pubby with an ability that doesn't say anything about hated, but it does imply that it has mysterious unknown effects in addition to the part that is explicitly known.Awaclus did target me, but I didn't receive any message about becoming hated. I do know part of Awaclus's effect though. It doesn't seem pro-town or pro-scum. If anything, it makes me suspect 3rd party.
This is funny. I wonder if it will work.Vote:
I'm confused by this. Can you not vote? Not vote publicly?
I'm voting for the person who voted for EFHW.
The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.Have you thought carefully about who you're inviting to your neighbourhood, or are these just two random names you came up with quickly so you can act fast?
This is funny. I wonder if it will work.
@Didds, did you have a choice about whether or not to accept the invitation? If so, what were your thought processes in deciding whether or not to accept?
@Galzria, same question.
Galzria and Didds are both people pubby said (in the QT) he suspected as being scum. Awaclus was on that list too. Since I'm pretty sure pubby was trying to manipulate me, I've basically done the opposite of what he wants.The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.Have you thought carefully about who you're inviting to your neighbourhood, or are these just two random names you came up with quickly so you can act fast?
@Brightgalrs, I'd like an answer to this please.
Swowl appears like a freeking Dwarf-Beetlejuice out of no where. It is awesome. He hopes it makes up for his croaking voice and grinding teeth, as he has been awake for wayyyyy to long.This was the secret message, so Didds does have daychat :-[
Since I'm pretty sure pubby was trying to manipulate me, I've basically done the opposite of what he wants.If I tell you to vote for me, will you vote for someone else?
My neighborhood is day-only, and is a big enough game mechanic that makes me doubt there would be other neighborhoods in the game. I'm not saying there can't be a second one, but with what I know, a second neighborhood seems highly redundant from a game design point of view.
Vote: Didds
I’m not convinced Didds is the better Exile here - and maybe I’m bias by volume - but Didds has more things that jump out as feeling off than Jimmmmm.
I missed that post, thanks.
I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.
I strongly disagree. I think the only time I’ve ever really defended her was when her wagon shot up to X-1 early, and I called a bad wagon out for what it was. There was no case, there were bad arguments, and I thought it highly unlikely that wagon was on scum.
I didn’t think the existence of the wagon was bad. It helped me form reads on other people - reads I posted and stood by. And even then, I was essentially the deciding vote on exiling Didds (with Jimmmmm) not on her until Swowl came in to corroborate her claim.
Whereas you... pushed either no logic cases (see post 156), or very flawed cases (see your entire, incorrect justification for the rest of the game Day), and then apparently, according to Bright, upon learning your case was flawed and bad... you continued to want to support the lie you had yesterday privately instead of coming out with it publicly.
So yeah. That’s where I’m at with you.
Galzria and Didds are both people pubby said (in the QT) he suspected as being scum. Awaclus was on that list too. Since I'm pretty sure pubby was trying to manipulate me, I've basically done the opposite of what he wants.The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.Have you thought carefully about who you're inviting to your neighbourhood, or are these just two random names you came up with quickly so you can act fast?
@Brightgalrs, I'd like an answer to this please.
I guess there has been the Norse message, Bright calling out pubby, discussions about QTs (and an eventual confirmation/proof), brief pubby/Galz interaction, fang/faust voting, some weird Awaclus vote and discussion about his role possibly leading to pubby being Hated, and now a bunch of questions from fang... plus a gap of over 36 hours since the last official vote count, even though one was specifically requested by Awaclus over 25 hours ago.
And finally, I'd like to see some more discussion about Awaclus' role - I know it's BM, but does (supposedly) unknown ability to turn someone Hated seem helpful? What other part of the role is there?
And I believe he was the one who hammered Jimmmmm too.
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria,
This is funny. I wonder if it will work.Vote:
I'm confused by this. Can you not vote? Not vote publicly?
I'm voting for the person who voted for EFHW.
This is funny. I wonder if it will work.Vote:
I'm confused by this. Can you not vote? Not vote publicly?
I'm voting for the person who voted for EFHW.
So, looks like it didn't work?
There we go... 4-8 "posts" for each of us in the last 2.5 days. That's pretty sad, given how much there was on D1. And it's not like the active players are gone - Jimmmmm and EFHW hadn't posted much.Indeed. The EFHW night kill seems odd. Like, odd to the extent that I wonder if the bad dwarves' target got altered in some way.
Awlaclus's ability made him become my secret admirer, giving us a tempory QT for today and tonight only.And what was your answer?
The first thing he's said in the QT was asking if I was scum, which I found to be odd because a townie could ask the same thing publicly. So that's why I suspected he was 3rd party.
Yeah sorta, with the whole day chat/night chat thing with Didds yesterday. I laid that out in the QT before posting here.Galzria and Didds are both people pubby said (in the QT) he suspected as being scum. Awaclus was on that list too. Since I'm pretty sure pubby was trying to manipulate me, I've basically done the opposite of what he wants.
So pubby shared his scum reads with you in the neighbourhood. Did you share your scum reads with him too?
Since my role is usually to come up with crazy scum theories, is it possible Bright and pubby are BOTH scum?
The Rules:
The Standard Rules:
10. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except in their Role QT. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
wut
Since my role is usually to come up with crazy scum theories, is it possible Bright and pubby are BOTH scum?
EBWOP
Since my role is usually to come with crazy scum themes, is it possible Bright and pubby are BOTH scum?Uhhh your role is to play the Imperial March?
Anyway, yes, it's crossed my mind. I think it's possible - and it would be very clever to put distance between fellow scum-buddies. However, I don't think it's likely, as there seemed to be no reason to instigate such a "problem" here. By doing this, it likely gets one exiled, and the other gets town-cred. But trying to ride the day without getting one of your own exiled seems much more likely unless one starts coming under fire for something else first.How is this even logic? All you have done here, as far as I can see, is started with the assumption of "pubby is likely scum" and ended with the conclusion that pubby is likely scum. Everything between that is just a big blob of nothing.
Four scenarios:
1) Bright is scum, pubby is not - I think this is possible.
2) pubby is scum, Bright is not - I think this is likely.
3) They are both scum - I think this is possible, but not likely.
4) Neither is scum - also possible.
I'm inclined to say the best strategy is to pick of them to exile today. If it's scenario 1, 2, or 3, we could hit scum tonight. If 1 or 2, and we get lucky or a good read, I think this is best case. We move on tomorrow based on where else things lead. If it's 1 or 2 and we pick wrong today, then we hope for a Vig kill tonight or we exile the other tomorrow. If it's 3 and we move elsewhere tomorrow, there's still a chance we could realize this before the game ends. But this is why it could have been a good power move by them to plan for longevity in the game for one of them. If it's 4, then we could be in trouble, especially if we spend 2 kills on them.
After working through this logic, I'm going to throw out my vote today and see what other discussion ensues.
Vote: pubby
I'm pretty sure pubby is scum.So the reason pubby is scum is... Brightgalrs did not like an argument pubby did. Plus apparently some claim-related things that we're supposed to take on good faith. No thanks.
Our neighborhood actually does have night chat, it was originally a mistake I made, but pubby obviously went with it. But here's the thing, after learning that it was a mistake, basically during yesterday's twilight, he says in the QT, paraphrasing, that it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argument, I have to conclude he was trying to convince me of that so it wouldn't look strange when he avoids admitting the error.
He also suggested that we expand the neighborhood by adding faust. This points to faust being scum as well (with pubby suggesting we invite them so no one else can read the QT which is pretty incriminating).
His roleclaim (which he claimed in QT) is also not what I would expect from pubby and was pretty vague.
The whole pubby being "hated" thing has nothing to do with this, but is pretty convenient.
As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.
The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.
The first thing he's said in the QT was asking if I was scumI would have been shocked to hear anything else. This is 100% Awaclus meta.
I'm also aware of pubby's flavor claim.Seemed like Bright knew more than just flavor.
I'm also aware of pubby's flavor claim.Seemed like Bright knew more than just flavor.
At #420, pubby explains his theory that the 7 dwarfs Neighbohood is actually the scum QT. This is a pretty ridiculous theory, but it's out there enough that i feel scum wouldn't come up with it.Yes, it seems so awful that I've been assuming pubby had more reason for believing it than he's given so far.
I have a clarifying question about the fortress QT: Do the new people also see all prior posts? Because in that case there would already be 4 people aware of pubby's claim and we could just as well make it public.
This:I have a clarifying question about the fortress QT: Do the new people also see all prior posts? Because in that case there would already be 4 people aware of pubby's claim and we could just as well make it public.
Goes all the way back. What information is it that we’re trying to verify?
His roleclaim (which he claimed in QT) is also not what I would expect from pubby and was pretty vague.
@pubby could you answer my question at #571 please? Or I don't know, I suppose Brightgalrs you could probably answer too, as it seems you came up with the theory together.Anyone in the fortress can invite anyone else. So it grows fast and can involve most of the players within a few days. But also Bright's entire claimed role is as the head of this fortress. Seemed like Bright's role is pretty mehhh if there are other neighborhoods already in the game, unless he's hiding a bigger role.
It would help with confirming the loved/hated thing if pubby could say whether anything else happened to him that could have conceivably been the unknown part of my ability.I didn't receive any message last night besides your invite to the QT, which was mandatory. I don't know anything about why I'm now hated.
Anyway, yes, it's crossed my mind. I think it's possible - and it would be very clever to put distance between fellow scum-buddies. However, I don't think it's likely, as there seemed to be no reason to instigate such a "problem" here. By doing this, it likely gets one exiled, and the other gets town-cred. But trying to ride the day without getting one of your own exiled seems much more likely unless one starts coming under fire for something else first.How is this even logic? All you have done here, as far as I can see, is started with the assumption of "pubby is likely scum" and ended with the conclusion that pubby is likely scum. Everything between that is just a big blob of nothing.
Four scenarios:
1) Bright is scum, pubby is not - I think this is possible.
2) pubby is scum, Bright is not - I think this is likely.
3) They are both scum - I think this is possible, but not likely.
4) Neither is scum - also possible.
I'm inclined to say the best strategy is to pick of them to exile today. If it's scenario 1, 2, or 3, we could hit scum tonight. If 1 or 2, and we get lucky or a good read, I think this is best case. We move on tomorrow based on where else things lead. If it's 1 or 2 and we pick wrong today, then we hope for a Vig kill tonight or we exile the other tomorrow. If it's 3 and we move elsewhere tomorrow, there's still a chance we could realize this before the game ends. But this is why it could have been a good power move by them to plan for longevity in the game for one of them. If it's 4, then we could be in trouble, especially if we spend 2 kills on them.
After working through this logic, I'm going to throw out my vote today and see what other discussion ensues.
Vote: pubby
I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.But why do you believe that?
I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.But why do you believe that?
I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.But why do you believe that?
He does answer that in the next sentence, no? You may not agree with his reasons, but he did put it out there.
yes, and I addressed that reasoning in my follow-up post.I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.But why do you believe that?
He does answer that in the next sentence, no? You may not agree with his reasons, but he did put it out there.
OK, maybe not next sentence, but the rest of the paragraph.
yes, and I addressed that reasoning in my follow-up post.I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.But why do you believe that?
He does answer that in the next sentence, no? You may not agree with his reasons, but he did put it out there.
OK, maybe not next sentence, but the rest of the paragraph.
I started with what I'm assuming - it looks to me like pubby is scum. Then I run through my logic, that went into and out of my head, and arrive at the conclusion, so you can all see what I'm thinking, rather than blindly posting a vote (like some people seem to think is acceptable logic). Would you rather I just do that?
Oh I see, you're basically renouncing any responsibility for that read by saying that you'e just following their scumreads. Great.
I'm not sure pubby is actually scumreading Bright. Is that the case?
This:I have a clarifying question about the fortress QT: Do the new people also see all prior posts? Because in that case there would already be 4 people aware of pubby's claim and we could just as well make it public.
Goes all the way back. What information is it that we’re trying to verify?His roleclaim (which he claimed in QT) is also not what I would expect from pubby and was pretty vague.
Eh. That's actually a pretty towny claim.
Eh. That's actually a pretty towny claim.
How so?
I started with what I'm assuming - it looks to me like pubby is scum. Then I run through my logic, that went into and out of my head, and arrive at the conclusion, so you can all see what I'm thinking, rather than blindly posting a vote (like some people seem to think is acceptable logic). Would you rather I just do that?
Yes, actually. It's harder for scum to defend against accusations when they don't know what the accusations are.
Eh. That's actually a pretty towny claim.
How so?
1) It's very consistent with his flavor claim, which, as mentioned before, I know
2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability
3) It doesn't sound like he made it up, and if he did, we will find out as soon as we exile scum and no parade gets thrown
I started with what I'm assuming - it looks to me like pubby is scum. Then I run through my logic, that went into and out of my head, and arrive at the conclusion, so you can all see what I'm thinking, rather than blindly posting a vote (like some people seem to think is acceptable logic). Would you rather I just do that?
Yes, actually. It's harder for scum to defend against accusations when they don't know what the accusations are.
That's a decent counterpoint. But I think we'll still have to agree to disagree. Responding to a blank vote will be more inclined to show meta than alignment. Some people freeze whether town or scum. Others have no problem responding either way.
I think it's also easy for scum to hide behind a blind vote, since there's almost no accountability and definitely no follow-up. Actually discussing leads, opinions, scum-reads gives us more to reference later to find who is who.
Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?
Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?
I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.
2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability
Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?
I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.
Then what exactly do you mean by this:2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability
If we don't know what the ability is, then why wouldn't it make sense for scum to have?
Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?
I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.
Then what exactly do you mean by this:2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability
If we don't know what the ability is, then why wouldn't it make sense for scum to have?
Why would scum throw a parade when they exile one of their own?
I guess it really depends on what it means - A funeral procession can be a sort of a parade. Or he's some kind of sadistic dwarf scum.
Awaclus is reading that much more charitably than I am.Did pubby explicitly say that he had no other powers?
I don't know what throwing a parade means, but it doesn't sound like anything, really. I find it hard to be believe that in a bastard game pubby has no powers, but the parade is all that he claimed. It sounds pro-town if you like parades, but it could be some kind of backlash mechanism that is super scummy. Having lived for years in a tourist town, I hate the traffic, parking problems, and general aggravation that is a parade but maybe that is just my cynical self.
Interestingly, Brighty didn't probe him at all about it.
Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?@pubby could you answer my question at #571 please? Or I don't know, I suppose Brightgalrs you could probably answer too, as it seems you came up with the theory together.Anyone in the fortress can invite anyone else. So it grows fast and can involve most of the players within a few days. But also Bright's entire claimed role is as the head of this fortress. Seemed like Bright's role is pretty mehhh if there are other neighborhoods already in the game, unless he's hiding a bigger role.
Awaclus is reading that much more charitably than I am.Did pubby explicitly say that he had no other powers?
I don't know what throwing a parade means, but it doesn't sound like anything, really. I find it hard to be believe that in a bastard game pubby has no powers, but the parade is all that he claimed. It sounds pro-town if you like parades, but it could be some kind of backlash mechanism that is super scummy. Having lived for years in a tourist town, I hate the traffic, parking problems, and general aggravation that is a parade but maybe that is just my cynical self.
Interestingly, Brighty didn't probe him at all about it.
@Bright, maybe you've given this information already, but I don't recall: why did you pick pubby as your first neighbour?He's my friend IRL so it was nepotism at work.
Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?Yeah.
Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
Will you also answer my question at some point?Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?Yeah.
Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
I've seen worse.Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
It's a scummy reason but it's a pretty good vote.
@Scola, were you going anywhere with this?I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).Interesting that I haven't mentioned Swowl, or interesting that I think Galz and Didds are bad dwarves?
Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
do you have any toughts on player that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
EBWOPdo you have any toughts on players that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
EBWOPdo you have any toughts on players that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?Scum Bright only exists if Didds/Galzria/Awaclus contain his partners. Otherwise he would have jumped on my voting bloc idea and used me to vote town off.
Deadline is later today. I'll be at the airport then so I should be around.There was a lot of empty posting. He made lots of posts that looked like they were making arguments for a pubby/Brighty exile, but there was nothing there and when pressed on these reads mathdude wasn't able to provide more than "I'm guessing". I think he's trying to create this pubby v Brighty scenario today, and he already worked on setting up the next misexile once either of them flips town.
I am a bit at loose ends as far as a vote. faust, what's your thought on Math?
Also, he's alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.
Also I was inspired by mathdude's du and de and made this:
(https://i.imgur.com/f7e1fhW.gif)
But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.
With all that said, I think Bright is town.
Vote: Scolapasta
His posts have seemed auto-pilot to me. As if he asks lots of basic follow-up questions without contributing any answers at all.
do you have any toughts on player that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
EBWOPdo you have any toughts on players that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?Vote: BrightWe're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
For some reason, this really amused me.
I should be around at deadline. Am leaning for either a bright/pubby vote. Probably more bright as I kinda want to keep pubby around for the eventual parade!
Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?Scum Bright only exists if Didds/Galzria/Awaclus contain his partners. Otherwise he would have jumped on my voting bloc idea and used me to vote town off.
I am a bit at loose ends as far as a vote. faust, what's your thought on Math?There was a lot of empty posting. He made lots of posts that looked like they were making arguments for a pubby/Brighty exile, but there was nothing there and when pressed on these reads mathdude wasn't able to provide more than "I'm guessing". I think he's trying to create this pubby v Brighty scenario today, and he already worked on setting up the next misexile once either of them flips town.
Also, he's alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.
The two interactions between Bright and mathdude that stood out were:Also I was inspired by mathdude's du and de and made this:
(https://i.imgur.com/f7e1fhW.gif)
Where Bright makes an image of his name for some reason?But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.
Where mathdude says the fortress is size 2 before that was public information.
Man, that's not a promising vote count for an end of day that's ostensibly 4 hours away. (unless extended)
It's not that bad, we only need 4 more people to vote for Bright.
If I'm working on setting up the next misexile, then so are you - you're trying to set up a misexile of me. What I'm doing is pointing out connections and observations, so people can see what I'm thinking and hopefully generate discussion.This is the most OMGUS post I've seen.
I don't support the deadline extension; if >70% of town have enough time to show up to vote in favor of the extension, they have enough time to show up to vote in favor of the Bright exile.But town should generally agree; if it then does or does not happen, that gives us valuable information.
Now we still have votes for Bright, Galz, pubby, Awaclus, me, and pasta. We definitely need to consolidate. Of the votes, it seems most likely that fang is stuck on Galz, Bright is stuck on pubby, and faust is stuck on me. The others have not had as much stick-to-it-ive-ness, from what I've seen. Does one of those 3 people have more information than you're sharing that can help the rest of us decide who to vote for?
If we are going to have a shot at voting out scum today, we definitely need to narrow down the options. Are the 3 I've picked who we should be narrowing it down to? Is there someone else we should keep in the list? Anyone we should take out of the list (besides me)?
If I'm working on setting up the next misexile, then so are you - you're trying to set up a misexile of me. What I'm doing is pointing out connections and observations, so people can see what I'm thinking and hopefully generate discussion.This is the most OMGUS post I've seen.
When i say that someone is setting up misexiles, this is referring to them planning out who to exile on future Days.
Vote: Didds
I’m not convinced Didds is the better Exile here - and maybe I’m bias by volume - but Didds has more things that jump out as feeling off than Jimmmmm.
Hi Galzria, what things had Didds said that felt off?
I missed that post, thanks.
I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.
I strongly disagree. I think the only time I’ve ever really defended her was when her wagon shot up to X-1 early, and I called a bad wagon out for what it was. There was no case, there were bad arguments, and I thought it highly unlikely that wagon was on scum.
I didn’t think the existence of the wagon was bad. It helped me form reads on other people - reads I posted and stood by. And even then, I was essentially the deciding vote on exiling Didds (with Jimmmmm) not on her until Swowl came in to corroborate her claim.
Whereas you... pushed either no logic cases (see post 156), or very flawed cases (see your entire, incorrect justification for the rest of the game Day), and then apparently, according to Bright, upon learning your case was flawed and bad... you continued to want to support the lie you had yesterday privately instead of coming out with it publicly.
So yeah. That’s where I’m at with you.
What relevance did Swowl corroborating Didds claim have for you? (I bolded the part of your post that I'm referring to, but including the whole thing for context.)
Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
Unvote
Swowl - do you think that:
A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B
?
Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?
Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
Unvote
Swowl - do you think that:
A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B
?
Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?
Swowl writes a note to galz on a piece of parchment stating they think that the answer to their question is an in between.
Swowl does feel like Didds is Town, but also feels the need to put forth that they do not have a crazy SR on Jimmm, it is just a better option than didds to them by a mile at this point.
Vote: Jimmmmm
X-1
I’m town reading math & swowl. They’re both on Jimmmmm.
I’m scum reading fang and bright. They’re both on Didds.
If it’s truly a tossup, I’ll side with my town reads.
I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.How do you know that they don't already have daychat?
Why would I assume they do?I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.How do you know that they don't already have daychat?
Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.
Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.
Did I miss where this came from? I've gone back and read twice now over the past 100 posts, which were the only ones I thought I wasn't super familiar with (weekends are just long for me out here. I read/kept up, but often it was just skimming).
As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.
Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.
Did I miss where this came from? I've gone back and read twice now over the past 100 posts, which were the only ones I thought I wasn't super familiar with (weekends are just long for me out here. I read/kept up, but often it was just skimming).
Where what came from? The adding of the 2 more? I can go back to find the relevant quote.
As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.
Here it is. but now I see that it's the cap that's even; clearly if it were all scum, they could just limit the invites.
Also, he's alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.
This made me LOL.
Did I miss something? What was your voting bloc idea?Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?Scum Bright only exists if Didds/Galzria/Awaclus contain his partners. Otherwise he would have jumped on my voting bloc idea and used me to vote town off.
Prodding Jimmmmm was silly. I actually forgot he was dead lol. I forgive him for posting in the thread because it was definitely my fault. I went on mod autopilot. PINL.
What time UTC is 5pm forum time?9pm I think. At least, it is 10pm in UK (BST), which is 1hr ahead of UTC.
I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.The same occurred to me. But if he's scum then there could be some restriction on who his first invite can be, so he can't do that, but still that would feel really clunky. 3rd party however...
faust, I just disagree with your read on Math. Like, I seriously don't understand how he's gotten exiled in previous games. He reads crazy townie to me. I DO agree that I didn't like his conclusion in the whole Pubby/Bright post - but I don't think the thought process that got him there was scummy at all.
Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.
Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.
Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.
How do you know pubby is town?
But actually, Galzria, those things you said were 'off' about Didds, they didn't strike you that way at the time, you had to go back and look to find some didn't you?
Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.
Did you get blamed for hammering Jimmmmm? Was this a concern of yours?
Didds has 3x the posts of Pubby & Jimmmmm combined. That’s somewhat expected, but still, it’s noteworthy that the most vocal players are often the most suspected players because they’re generating the most noise. Does Didds activity level say anything about her alignment?
Didds, looking back, how would you characterize this exchange?What are you worried about?Why is this not an answer for me???Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
Why is this a question for me??
Because it is an oddly specific question.
You!
In the following exchange, the same question asked from Math to faust, and the pursuing answer, seems to catch you off guard. I’m trying to put my finger on why these two exchanges feel off. Any thoughts?And what is this good authority? Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.Did you get yours with PINL?No I didn't.
Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!
Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.
I mean, at the time Didds said them.But actually, Galzria, those things you said were 'off' about Didds, they didn't strike you that way at the time, you had to go back and look to find some didn't you?
No. I posted that they felt off at the time.
Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.
Did you get blamed for hammering Jimmmmm? Was this a concern of yours?
Yes I did.
Who blamed you?
No, we can't. It puts us in a really bad spot, especially if scum kill is not RBed. Assuming 3 scum, that leaves 5 against 3 tomorrow, and scum just need to get 1 to side with them for no exile or misexile.
Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.
How do you know pubby is town?
I don't, it just seems likely given his claim.
Who blamed you?
I think it was mathdude but I'm not 100% sure without going back to check.
Vote: mathdude
Sorry. :(
I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.Nothing in-game there at all. That is 100% pre-game stuff.
I think this is right...
pubby (3): Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds, mathdude
Awaclus (1): Swowl
mathdude (3): faust, infangthief, Awaclus
scolapasta (1): pubby
Not voting: scolapasta, Galzria,
Vote: pubby
Math is town.
Is that hammer on pubby?
If not, anyone up for Didds or Galzria? There's still time.
When I first asked Galzria about Didds his 'read' was this:I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.Nothing in-game there at all. That is 100% pre-game stuff.
I forgot pubby was hated. It hasn't been mentioned in any of the VC's recently. Wouldn't have changed my vote choice, but I wouldn't have hammered without giving him a chance to full claim.
And instead of saying you had no read, you avoided the question.Is that hammer on pubby?
If not, anyone up for Didds or Galzria? There's still time.
When I first asked Galzria about Didds his 'read' was this:I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.Nothing in-game there at all. That is 100% pre-game stuff.
What's your point? Yes. I voted her after doing a re-read D1 and realizing I found some things that stood out to me. Prior to that, I hadn't done a detailed re-read, and didn't think she was scummy.
Vote: pubby
Math is town.
Unless you have investigative role, I don't know how you can state that confidently, unless you're scum.
And instead of saying you had no read, you avoided the question.Is that hammer on pubby?
If not, anyone up for Didds or Galzria? There's still time.
When I first asked Galzria about Didds his 'read' was this:I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.Nothing in-game there at all. That is 100% pre-game stuff.
What's your point? Yes. I voted her after doing a re-read D1 and realizing I found some things that stood out to me. Prior to that, I hadn't done a detailed re-read, and didn't think she was scummy.
Swowl sighs thinking how he needs a minute to parse some information
I can confirm that (at least based on what he said in QT), Swowl did not target faust last night.
Swowl yells that he did NOT kill faust last night.
Swowl turns back to add that he did attempt to kill someone that was not faust last night... but only because he had to.
Swowl holds up the SWORD he got, and points out, it is in fact 100% a SWORD and not let's say.. an AXE. Swowl shakes his head because that caused a lot of, what he is now assuming to be, confusion.
On Night 1, I gave the sword to Swowl, my top town!read at the time. I figured a random kill in a town that likely had more Good Dwarves than not was NOT the optimal move, and no extra kill that night certainly seemed the better option. Giving it to a town!read that could then choose his target the following night seemed the obvious choice.
Awaclus - able to make QT with one person at the cost of that person becoming hated, is in QT with Galz today, was the deciding vote on Jimmmmm (to get an exile instead of stalemate D1).
Hi Didds, the information about the axe-sword and the information about the fortress protection if there are no scum in it, did you relay these to Swowl during day 2 or during night 2?Of course, Swowl or mathdude you could answer this also.
Awaclus - able to make QT with one person at the cost of that person becoming hated, is in QT with Galz today, was the deciding vote on Jimmmmm (to get an exile instead of stalemate D1).
If you're looking for data points about my voting behavior, you might want to consider the time I voluntarily used a hated-causing ability on pubby, thereby contributing towards his exile by one vote (while I didn't know it would do that, you only have my word for that and you can't assume I'm telling the truth) instead of the time I was forced to hammer an exile that wasn't one of my top preferred exiles because deadline was approaching, we needed to exile someone, and nobody else was doing anything about it.
There's not much too weigh in on concerning the "Fortress". Everything Joth has been reporting in the QT (which Didds and Galz can/have explained) is basically what I was told or more.
There is something interesting about the wording of my role though, it says, paraphrasing, that the fortress only helps against the mafia. I'm probably reading too much into it, since the wording also doesn't explicitly say we have night chat, but that could point to 1) the protection not working against townie kills, which would be worrying, see below, and 2) there is no third party that can kill.
I'm inclined to believe 2), which or me clears Galz (who would be most suspicious) as being a serial killer or whatever.
Reading into 1) a little more, it means either I didn't die last night for some other reason, or that Galz is scum, ie. the kill "technically" originates from him, and that fulfills the requirements for Fortress protection from a kill. I don't know what to believe there.
Moving on, there's the "fact" that it's bad if Bad Dwarfs get into the Fortress. But see, the flavor/logic there would be the bad dwarf could let scum into the fortress, letting them kill, ie. removing the Fortress's protection. But that flavor/logic doesn't work if it's a Townie kill. So if you live and die by the flavor, you once again might consider that I survived Swowl's kill for some other reason and also still be suspicious of Galz and Didds.
Anyway, I'm travelling, I'll post again tomorrow.
Are there any people who can confirm that the fortress only gives protection if everyone in it is town, or do we have to take Bright's word for it?
Hi Didds, the information about the axe-sword and the information about the fortress protection if there are no scum in it, did you relay these to Swowl during day 2 or during night 2?Of course, Swowl or mathdude you could answer this also.
Some information about the fortress protection was mentioned immediately after hammer - I believe that was the first mention. It was then clarified for the next 24 hours, with more clarifying information coming just before night-action-deadline.
Some information about the fortress protection was mentioned immediately after hammer - I believe that was the first mention. It was then clarified for the next 24 hours, with more clarifying information coming just before night-action-deadline.
Where was this info? Or do you mean in a QT?
Hi Didds, the information about the axe-sword and the information about the fortress protection if there are no scum in it, did you relay these to Swowl during day 2 or during night 2?Of course, Swowl or mathdude you could answer this also.
Some information about the fortress protection was mentioned immediately after hammer - I believe that was the first mention. It was then clarified for the next 24 hours, with more clarifying information coming just before night-action-deadline.
I feel so left out - am I the only one not in an QT?? (I think maybe fang or faust?)
Which is probably why i also am just unsure of anything.
SO to understand better what exactly does the fortress protect against? and how does it protect, i.e. it seems like those in the fortress were able to learn the fortress was attacked? But not who specifically or by whom, some sort of generic, "the fortress was attacked last night".
I don't believe fang is in a QT, that we know of.I have a nice QT with joth thank you.
Bright, from what you've told us, the fortress currently has a capacity of at least 4, and there are 3 in it. Would you mind inviting scolapasta into it now?
Scum QT: probably?
I just realized I forgot to tell you when the day ends. It ends in four IRL days, which is I guess Sunday at 5. You will get a vote count later this evening. Probably.
Bright, from what you've told us, the fortress currently has a capacity of at least 4, and there are 3 in it. Would you mind inviting scolapasta into it now?
You didn't like pasta's idea of the two of you getting a new, special QT? Also, why do you want pasta in the fortress? Are you two scum-buddies?
Here the biggest problem with Galz’s argument... if I am scum, then the fortress shouldn’t have held, right? I’m under the impression that Brighty lives because he has only included town. So, how do you get me from being the relay between qts to being scum knowing that?Did you actually read Galz's argument?
Ah, ok, my bad. You are starting with Galz's argument after all.Here the biggest problem with Galz’s argument... if I am scum, then the fortress shouldn’t have held, right? I’m under the impression that Brighty lives because he has only included town. So, how do you get me from being the relay between qts to being scum knowing that?Did you actually read Galz's argument?
you're right, I forgot faust was dead.
fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:
joth, can fang and I have a special QT?
you're right, I forgot faust was dead.
fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:
joth, can fang and I have a special QT?
I admire your moxie. But if I gave you a QT just for asking everyone would want one!
I just realized I forgot to tell you when the day ends. It ends in four IRL days, which is I guess Sunday at 5. You will get a vote count later this evening. Probably.
4 IRL days from start of day? Or 4 IRL days from now? If from now, then that's Monday at 5, not Sunday.
you're right, I forgot faust was dead.
fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:
joth, can fang and I have a special QT?
Ah, ok, my bad. You are starting with Galz's argument after all.Here the biggest problem with Galz’s argument... if I am scum, then the fortress shouldn’t have held, right? I’m under the impression that Brighty lives because he has only included town. So, how do you get me from being the relay between qts to being scum knowing that?Did you actually read Galz's argument?
The thing I want to know is whether you checked with the others in the fortress before sharing how the protection worked in your other QT. Did you?
I feel so left out - am I the only one not in an QT?? (I think maybe fang or faust?)
Which is probably why i also am just unsure of anything.
SO to understand better what exactly does the fortress protect against? and how does it protect, i.e. it seems like those in the fortress were able to learn the fortress was attacked? But not who specifically or by whom, some sort of generic, "the fortress was attacked last night".
you're right, I forgot faust was dead.
fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:
joth, can fang and I have a special QT?
That is awesome! I love the initiative!
Vote: FangI think I understand where this vote comes from. Makes me feel a bit better about you Swowl, so long as it's genuine.
Swowl rubs his head in confusion about Fang's theory regarding WCD. Swowl points out that if WCD was a Bad Dwarf, then by the way the information was presented, Swowl's shot at Bright should of killed Bright. Swowl continues to speak, explaining that obviously it did not... therefore, by WCD and Fang's logic, there are in fact no bad dwarfs in the Fortress.
Swowl understands that that may not be how the fortress actually works, but says that it is 100% how WCD relayed what she thought about how she knew it worked.
Swowl expresses that they pretty much never expressed real interest in shooting anyone other than Bright wayyyyy prior to the info/thought of the fortress thing, so WCD had no reason to attempt to direct his shot there.
Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this. Though there is some unexpected comfort given to Swowl based on the message the Fortress got about being targeted.That would be a strange kind of doctor, flavourwise.
Swowl ponders if Fang really understands where their vote came from. Swowl wonders if Fang could guess the one other player that Swowl would vote for today.Not at the moment.
Swowl continues to point out that the other person that does not yet possess a known color on the WCD wagon is Fang.What is mathdude's colour?
Swowl considers out loud that either Fang and WCD are both skum and Fang was stuck, or Fang is skum and WCD is Town, or they are both town.Or that WCD is skum and Fang is Town with a correct read.
Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this. Though there is some unexpected comfort given to Swowl based on the message the Fortress got about being targeted.
Swowl reminds Awaclus that the terminology used in the fortress thing was "attacked", not "targeted".
Swowl points out that the obvious resolution if Swowl was blocked would be that he never targeted the resolution.
He points out that "attacked" would mean that the shot attempted to hit Bright.
That is all that Swowl intended to clarify there.
Swowl gasps, as they forgot about the WCD doctor shot thing. But also points out that layers of protection act in the same way as an RB and his shot would of never made it through to register as a shot as it would of been absolved by the doc shot in question.
Swowl walks in circles looking at his feet, confused, as he is very much not used to talking to an Awaclus that actually has a conversation.
Swowl also points out that is a jab/joke, and not a lead to insinuate Awaclus is acting skummy.
Swowl ultimately he decides he *sort of* agrees with Awaclus.
He considers that if it were a standard game and Player A targeted Player B with a Killing Action... if Player B was Doctored... A Player C Wather would still see the attempt.
Swowl retorts that if you were a 1 shot BP that was informed of when your BP was used, you would not be informed as such if you were doctored and that doctor prevented your BP shield being used.
Swowl points out he has already made it clear that the others of the 7 dwarves thread knew he was going to target Bright.
I woke up this morning wondering if there were no scum in this game (very Joth!) but Fang and pasta are real unknowns.I woke up this morning wondering whether the whole fortress and snow white neighbourhoods are bad dwarves.
I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt. If someone tracked me, they know it, too.Also did I miss when Didds claimed they were a literal doctor in this thread, besides the above post? It's the not first slip-up I've noticed so far, because I never actually said my neighborhood was a "Fortress" yesterday, I think pubby accidentally called it that in one of his posts.
I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt. If someone tracked me, they know it, too.
I don’t think so...let me check. I did not. Actually rereading, I’m not talking much in the fortress except to ask the questions Swowl wants to know the answer to.
I’m pretty much ride or die with the 7 dwarves. I’ve told them everything from the beginning and as it’s happening.
Swowl rubs his head in confusion about Fang's theory regarding WCD. Swowl points out that if WCD was a Bad Dwarf, then by the way the information was presented, Swowl's shot at Bright should of killed Bright. Swowl continues to speak, explaining that obviously it did not... therefore, by WCD and Fang's logic, there are in fact no bad dwarfs in the Fortress.
Swowl understands that that may not be how the fortress actually works, but says that it is 100% how WCD relayed what she thought about how she knew it worked.
But what's more concerning is her willingness to relay how the fortress protection works outside the fortress. That information is priceless to Bad Dwarves, so surely a Good Dwarf only does that if they know (somehow) that there is already a Bad Dwarf inside the fortress.
Swowl pulls out a whiteboard with the writings of the peak of the WCD wagon on Day 1. It reads:
WestCoastDidds (6): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmmm, Awaclus
Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
Galzria (1): scolapasta
pubby (1): Brightgalrs
infangthief (1): Galzria
Swowl points out that right after the L-1 vote Awaclus immediately leaves the wagon for Pubby, who is the other wagon. Swowl finds this towny.
Swowl also points out that the leading players on the Didds wagon (at peak) have both flipped town. This makes it extremely likely that one of the following players that joined said wagon are skum.
I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt. If someone tracked me, they know it, too.Also did I miss when Didds claimed they were a literal doctor in this thread, besides the above post? It's the not first slip-up I've noticed so far, because I never actually said my neighborhood was a "Fortress" yesterday, I think pubby accidentally called it that in one of his posts.
I’m Doc. I have a nieighborhood with some of the other 7 dwarves.and then later, sort of claimed to be an in-game doctor:
Because I am a doc! But, of course, not that kind of doctor says every PhD everywhere.
The neighborhood had three people, including me. We all know each other’s dwarf names
I woke up this morning wondering if there were no scum in this game (very Joth!) but Fang and pasta are real unknowns.I woke up this morning wondering whether the whole fortress and snow white neighbourhoods are bad dwarves.
I'm stuck in the same boat here, confused about Didds, and also confused about fortress protection. As Swowl said, my understanding (based on what Didds has said) is that if there is scum in the fortress, protection is invalid (and thus, a target on someone there, who Swowl has now said was Bright, should have successfully killed). If Didds is scum, and may have relayed false information to us, it is now in the open and Bright can call it out and we can exile Didds. But if the information is correct, then that clears Bright, Didds, and Galz as non-scum (can't guarantee not third party).
I don't think 1 has to be true. As long as you knew he was targeting someone in the fortress, scum!Didds could take advantage of that fact.
Or were you just facetious?I was trying to be funny but probably missed the mark a bit on that one. (Fang wonders why he doesn't have many friends...)
Vote: fang
Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this.
Swowl gasps, as they forgot about the WCD doctor shot thing.
I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt.From context, I understand the qt in that last quote to be the Snow White neighbourhood.
When Awaclus brings up the possibility that Didds might have doctored Bright, Swowl responds with:Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this.
Then a bit later:Swowl gasps, as they forgot about the WCD doctor shot thing.
Then a bit later, Didds says:I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt.From context, I understand the qt in that last quote to be the Snow White neighbourhood.
So Swowl, Didds, how do you feel about the inconsistencies here?
And while we're at it...
Joth, is Didds a Bad Dwarf?
Ok, well, BM and all.
Joth, did Didds doctor Awaclus last night?
Or there are scum in Galz, Fang, Awa and they can’t quickhammer because they are the freaking scum.
I doctored Awaclus.
We are assuming the fortress protected because Swowl aimed the axesword at Bright, and because this morning we were told that the fortress had been attacked.
Second, and maybe more important, my ability is super hazy. It only works on some players. And it’s not reliable and might even hurt, but Joth won’t tell me what those odds are. So, I’m doctoring folks that I think might be scum so that if they get hurt, that helps us.
I think that's enough for now.
The mental gymnastics that it takes for Awa to be right require that
1. I talk Swowl into targeting someone in the fortress (this did not happen)
2. That Swowl tells me who he is targeting in time for me to doctor that person
3. That the person is someone I can doctor and my shot is successful (these are hazy to me because Joth)
4. That there could be a scum doctor
And I don’t know what the point would be.
If I was scum, I would want someone to die. Saving them would be counter productive
What am I, a magic 8 ball? Ask again later.Are you a magic 8 ball?
Swowl tells fang this is out of context.Oh, I thought the back and forth with Awaclus was entirely about whether the "fortress attacked" message would have occurred if Didds had doctored Bright.
Swowl confirms all the statements listed, but when they said "they forgot" they were speaking about that exact instance in the back and forth with Awaclus.
Swowl points out that is why he said "I forgot".
And I don’t know what the point would be.
Yes you do. As it turns out, the mere possibility that the fortress protection didn't work is so inconvenient for you that you're trying to deny it, even though it's clearly there. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be a reason for three people to be voting for you, and you could just admit that the possibility is indeed there and you would be fine. Surely, by extension, having it confirmed would be much worse, and quite likely worth using a doctor shot for. Especially if Galzria is your scum buddy.If I was scum, I would want someone to die. Saving them would be counter productive
So, you're saying that if you were town, you would not want someone to die and saving them would be productive, yet you're claiming you didn't do that?
I am town, I did not want someone to die. I didn’t have anything to do with Bright dying or not, except that I am in the fortress and I am not scum which helps it’s maintain it’s protective power, according to Bright.
There are are like 5 avenues of backward logic here and I can’t even follow you through the twists. There is no scenario where I am playing 3 levels beyond like that. You have played with me for a couple of years now...I think you know this. That’s not how I even consider proceeding. It’s too complicated and I am notoriously bad at being able to twist and lie. The most logical reasoning is that the protection held because there are no scum. For me to fake the protection holding seems absurd. The effort that you are expending trying to concoct a plausible scenario is way beyond plausible.
Also, the haziness of my doc abilities was not conveniently revealed. I’ve said that from the beginning in my qt, and it feels like more than once here although I don’t have time to read back to check.
I guess I should ask Didds this same question: what part of this do you disagree with?
- Bright's claim that the fortress protection only works when the attack originates from scum and everyone in the fortress is town is believable.
- Therefore, if Galz is considered to be the origin of the attack, the protection can't work, because he is in the fortress and he can't be both town and scum.
- If Swowl is considered to be the origin of the attack, the protection can't work if he's town.
- Swowl is town.
- It does not seem plausible within reason that anyone other than Swowl or Galzria could be considered to be the origin of the attack.
- It follows that the protection did not work.
I mean, it would not be particularly weird for you to disagree with 4. But you don't seem to be treating Swowl as confirmed scum, which is what you should be doing if you're going to insist that the fortress protection worked.
When bright explained the fortress protection, he said it protected us as long as there were no scum in it. I know nothing about this idea that the attack had to come from scum. Bright didn’t say that in the qt, there is nothing Joth has said in the fortress that suggests that, and I’m not sure that follows what what has been said.
There is something interesting about the wording of my role though, it says, paraphrasing, that the fortress only helps against the mafia.
When bright explained the fortress protection, he said it protected us as long as there were no scum in it. I know nothing about this idea that the attack had to come from scum. Bright didn’t say that in the qt, there is nothing Joth has said in the fortress that suggests that, and I’m not sure that follows what what has been said.There is something interesting about the wording of my role though, it says, paraphrasing, that the fortress only helps against the mafia.
Wow, lots to read, will get on to it later. Have a good time camping Didds.
If the information provided to us about the fortress is accurate (protection only works if no scum in fortress, protection is against scum, fortress was attacked last night but no one died), then Bright, Didds, and Galz are all non-scum (i.e. either town or 3rd party).
I think this also makes Swowl scum, as he said he targeted Bright with sword from Galz (who under this assumption is not scum). The only way Swowl is not scum is if fortress protection is against all kills instead of just scum kills, or if Doc Didds actually protected Bright, not Awaclus as he claimed (I don't see town-Didds lying like this, but possibly 3rd party).
Alternatively, if the fortress protection has been misrepresented to us, this basically makes Didds and Bright both scum (or at least non-helpful 3rd party), and it makes Galz a lazy/absent town (for not noticing and/or correcting for us here), or else scum-buddy with them or non-helpful 3rd party. It is possible Bright's ability, growing fortress, is 3rd party and they are all 3rd party of some sort now.
But I think it's more likely they are all scum. Thinking of a logical way to give scum-Bright his ability from a design perspective, he has to invite non-scum first. But scum probably only had night QT, and fortress has night and day, so he wants scum in there. pubby wanted faust (or was its fang, I forget) to join, but Bright didn't. So come to game thread and convince us pubby is scum, invite his scum-buddies, vote pubby out (with Didds making sure me and Swowl help), and now he has freedom to day chat with his scum-buddies. Why else has the 4th spot in the fortress (vacated by pubby) not yet been filled?
On the other hand, if fortress is all scum, then exiling Swowl is not a good idea. Absent of RB or doctor (from scum-Didds), that puts us at 3-3 tomorrow after scum kill overnight and no Swowl with Vig sword anymore. So instead we have to exile within the fortress today. No exile gets us nowhere except Lylo tomorrow, unless we have RB or investigative roles available. If we can RB Didds, then Swowl should be able to kill one of them tonight (assuming he still has Galz' sword), and we are at 4-2 tomorrow, but we have a flip confirming fortress member is scum.
Now what if instead, it's Swowl and 1 or 2 others (among fang, Awaclus, and pasta)? Then if we do the plan above, no-exile, and RB our town doctor (Didds), then we need Galz to confirm whether Swowl stil has sword. If he does, then scum gets 2 kills, with our RB tying up our Doctor. If 3 scum, that leaves us with 3-3 tomorrow, the ability to RB Swowl, but we'd need a lucky doctor overnight. If only 2 scum, then I think it's okay to do this.
Yeah, I know what he has said in the thread today. I’m saying that is not what I got from the qt discussion, from Joth’s qt posts, or from the invite. I don’t see him explaining it that way ever until recently in the thread and I don’t have any corroborating evidence. I reread it and that is not what he says. The update about the fortress that gets posted each day says inviting baddies undercuts its effectiveness. So Brighty’s claim doesn’t jibe with what I’ve read.
Swowl knows he is town and he targeted Bright. So, he is inclined to believe the "only protects against mafia" addition from bright may not be accurate.
Not in my neighborhood (although to be exact, it's not a neighborhood, it's under a bridge).
I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us
Then why did she share initially?
Share my name? Because I don't think we should exile protective folks.
So, I’m doctoring folks that I think might be scum so that if they get hurt, that helps us.
Posting. Don’t prod me. Will catch up tonight.
So we either have 3 non-scum in the fortress, or we have 3 scum in there (and the "protection" from fortress is Didds knowing who to doctor since Swowl would likely tell in Snow White QT who he's targeting with sword scum-Galz gave him). I'm trying to come up with a way to figure out which.
I did not realize that the deadline is today and in just 2.5 hours.I'm fairly sure the deadline is tomorrow, in 24+2.5hrs. Joth originally said Sunday, then said Monday. Should probably check whether either of those had PINLs I suppose...
Anyone willing to do a current vote count?
No wait, if deadline is today, we just passed it with no exile. Oh well, hopefully it's not today.
No wait, if deadline is today, we just passed it with no exile. Oh well, hopefully it's not today.
If it were today, there'd still be almost another hour.
So we either have 3 non-scum in the fortress, or we have 3 scum in there (and the "protection" from fortress is Didds knowing who to doctor since Swowl would likely tell in Snow White QT who he's targeting with sword scum-Galz gave him). I'm trying to come up with a way to figure out which.
The possibility you're missing here is that Didds could be scum without Bright/Galz, if Didds protected Bright.
I just realized I forgot to tell you when the day ends. It ends in four IRL days, which is I guess Sunday at 5. You will get a vote count later this evening. Probably.
4 IRL days from start of day? Or 4 IRL days from now? If from now, then that's Monday at 5, not Sunday.
You're right. Monday at 5.
Swowl does not think WCD has thought that through all the way.
Bright, is the mention of fortress attacked in your QT indicative of fortress protection or its it possible you could have been saved by doctor? If it's possible it's a doctor, I'll vote Didds.I assume you mean the Fortress QT, as that's the only place mentioning an attack. And that message from joth definitely says, paraphrasing, that the Fortress itself was the thing that resisted the attack.
And that message from joth definitely says, paraphrasing, that the Fortress itself was the thing that resisted the attack.Wait, that's rather different from what you said earlier.
Bright, is the mention of fortress attacked in your QT indicative of fortress protection or its it possible you could have been saved by doctor? If it's possible it's a doctor, I'll vote Didds.I assume you mean the Fortress QT, as that's the only place mentioning an attack. And that message from joth definitely says, paraphrasing, that the Fortress itself was the thing that resisted the attack.
Alright, I'll vote Didds. Reasons: 1) Oddness of what wasn't said day 1, which I've explained (maybe poorly) on day 1, go read my posts from then. 2) Two protection roles in a somewhat small game, and essentially with a townie vigilante. Points to mafia doctor. 3) Pubby, who ended up being town, being suspicious of Didds. Might as well use his insight now, even if it's a little late.
Vote: WestCoastDidds
That should be 4 votes on Didds if fang's vote count is correct. ie. it's one more to exile.
@Bright, some answers please, what's going on?
You're bussing, with terrible logic so that everyone else on the wagon hops off, is that it?
I'm willing to go back to Didds if we can't get a Bright exile through, but as far as I can tell, it just seems strictly better to exile Bright today.I'm thinking and might go either way on this.
Didds, is your information about the principles of how fortress protection works coming from Bright or from Joth, primarily?
Didds, is your information about the principles of how fortress protection works coming from Bright or from Joth, primarily?And this of course.
nah, vote: Didds
I'm going to trust my day 1 reads more than what Didds and Bright are now claiming the flavour text might imply.
Bright, Didds or Galzria could easily have brought up this flavour text thing earlier in the day. And it was clearly no obstacle to Galzria voting for Didds at the start of the day.
Didds, is your information about the principles of how fortress protection works coming from Bright or from Joth, primarily?And this of course.
And a long wait here just makes it more likely that Didds and Bright (and Galzria?) are having a big conflab in the fortress trying to come up with a coherent narrative.
Galzria been active in the fortress today? I didn't get an answer when I asked before.
PPe 1 oh, you answered, thanks.
I am not the one who twisted it all around to get to a place where I am scum. That was Awaclus. And I am not the one who ever wavered or changed stories. That was Bright.
I am not the one who twisted it all around to get to a place where I am scum. That was Awaclus. And I am not the one who ever wavered or changed stories. That was Bright.
I never twisted anything around to get to a place where you are scum. I started from a place where you were scum, and looked at the story that was presented to figure out whether that assumption was consistent with the story, which it was. Now Bright changed the story so it's no longer consistent.
I sent the invite to Joth. I am off to teach now...
Good move scola, and also good move not just accepting right away; you're right, just getting the invite is a big step already.
This is interesting, because earlier Didds was quite sure about there being no scum in Snow White or Fortress neighbourhoods, and said you (and I) were real unknowns.
Now she's not batted an eyelid at inviting you (possible scum) into the fortress.
I would certainly be hesitant about accepting the invitation, for reasons I don't want to give right now.
Swowl was definitely my top town read, but I don't have time today to dither. Too busy with life classes. But here is what I am thinking....
If we exile Brighty, the fortress will die anyway (I think). If scola is scum, the fortess will lose its protection but the whole idea of protection was already mostly irrelevant because the people in the fortress are now widely known, as its protective ability. Scum can easily target one of the people who aren't in it. So, I didn't realize see what I had to lose by sharing access and I see that I can gain a trusted reporter on the abilities of the fortress. Really, Galz should be doing this since he already has access, but he is notably absent so, whatevs.
You asked to be invited, so I invited you. I didn't choose so much as honor your wishes.
Post #771, it's quite long, but there are a couple of places in it where you seem to be seriously considering that your protection might have come from elsewhere.Uh, no?
Swowl was definitely my top town read, but I don't have time today to dither. Too busy with life classes. But here is what I am thinking....
If we exile Brighty, the fortress will die anyway (I think). If scola is scum, the fortess will lose its protection but the whole idea of protection was already mostly irrelevant because the people in the fortress are now widely known, as its protective ability. Scum can easily target one of the people who aren't in it. So, I didn't realize see what I had to lose by sharing access and I see that I can gain a trusted reporter on the abilities of the fortress. Really, Galz should be doing this since he already has access, but he is notably absent so, whatevs.
You asked to be invited, so I invited you. I didn't choose so much as honor your wishes.
I guess part of why I struggle with this fortress protection is the "town core" idea. Let's say everyone in there is town and you add me, I am town and we all trust each other. That's 4 unattackable town right (outside of 3rd party, but imagine Galz was the D1 exile).
If that's true, I join, then scum has no chance of winning, even with 7 still alive. That seems too bastardy. So just the idea of this protection defined as is seems less believable.
Now I'm confused. Did Bright just hammer himself? Does that mean the fortress may also protect him from Exile?What on earth made you assume that?
Anyway, I won't fight this exile too hard. The Fortress continues existing after I die, so Gal or whoever can keep it going.
And I "meant" to die last night anyway.
Infact, let's just do this:
Vote: Brightgalrs
Now I'm confused. Did Bright just hammer himself? Does that mean the fortress may also protect him from Exile?What on earth made you assume that?
Since it's twilight, I'll say that the language Joth uses in the Fortress's QT makes it really really really clear that I'm not scum. He says, paraphrasing, that bad dwarves being in the fortress makes the fortress less effective. So, what, there's been a bad dwarf in the fortress from day 1? Think! Didds has read this language, it should've been obvious to them that I'm not scum. There's been at least three messages like this, one at the start of each day. There's no way they haven't read one of them
Jimmmmm (7): Swowl, EFHW, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Galzria, AwaclusLook at this, day 1's final vote count. Everyone (minus fang) who voted for Didds is dead and a good dwarf.
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief, Jimmmmm
I'm a good dwarf.QuoteJimmmmm (7): Swowl, EFHW, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Galzria, AwaclusLook at this, day 1's final vote count. Everyone (minus fang) who voted for Didds is dead and a good dwarf.
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief, Jimmmmm
Wait, if both Didds and Jimmmmm are town, then scum doesn't have to (and likely wouldn't) all be on Jimmmmm, unless they were trying to frame Didds. So fang is definitely still in the running.
So then if your fortress is all townWhat? Dude, why is this an assumption?
Swowl wishes Bright would of voted Fang with him instead of doing literally the one and only thing an actual town player should never do....Nah, writing on the walls, etc. I'm basically a sitting red herring, you guys need to move on and be suspicious of other people.
So then if your fortress is all townWhat? Dude, why is this an assumption?
Anyway, since the Fortress is clearly compromised, let me reveal this. The Fortress seems to have some sort of HP system. It was (synonym for strong) yesterday but (synonym for swaying) today. It says this clearly in the QT message from Joth, related to Swowl's night kill and it being deflected. But what if this hitpoint loss only happens if there is scum in the fortress. Didn't seriously consider that until now, but there you go, have some suspicion.
Since it's twilight, I'll say that the language Joth uses in the Fortress's QT makes it really really really clear that I'm not scum. He says, paraphrasing, that bad dwarves being in the fortress makes the fortress less effective. So, what, there's been a bad dwarf in the fortress from day 1? Think! Didds has read this language, it should've been obvious to them that I'm not scum. There's been at least three messages like this, one at the start of each day. There's no way they haven't read one of them
So then if your fortress is all townWhat? Dude, why is this an assumption?
Anyway, since the Fortress is clearly compromised, let me reveal this. The Fortress seems to have some sort of HP system. It was (synonym for strong) yesterday but (synonym for swaying) today. It says this clearly in the QT message from Joth, related to Swowl's night kill and it being deflected. But what if this hitpoint loss only happens if there is scum in the fortress. Didn't seriously consider that until now, but there you go, have some suspicion.
Why do you say "but what if" here? Are you suggesting if not scum in the fortress, it would take no damage? I would've thought if it, if anything the opposite - if scum, hits get through (imagine it being like the scum leaving the door unlocked), but if no scum, then it takes damage until it collapses.
When do the invites expire? Can I still accept?
vote was purely self-preservationScum.
I'm scum because I don't want to hammer myself?Huh? You just said your voting for me because you don't what to be exiled. I have some news for you, you could've also not voted at all. We could've no-exiled. Your just backpedalling now that the deed is done, hedging basically.
I'm scum because I don't want to hammer myself?Huh? You just said your voting for me because you don't what to be exiled. I have some news for you, you could've also not voted at all. We could've no-exiled. Your just backpedalling now that the deed is done, hedging basically.
I'm scum because I don't want to hammer myself?Huh? You just said your voting for me because you don't what to be exiled. I have some news for you, you could've also not voted at all. We could've no-exiled. Your just backpedalling now that the deed is done, hedging basically.
Dude, the deed is only done because you were trying to shut down conversation. We literally have had no discussion about no exile in the last 12 hours. If you announced any sort of intent to slef-hammer, I would have unvoted. I don't think I am alone in that. We are hours from deadline. There was zero sense of urgency or writing on the wall.
Now I'm confused. Did Bright just hammer himself? Does that mean the fortress may also protect him from Exile?What on earth made you assume that?
Since it's twilight, I'll say that the language Joth uses in the Fortress's QT makes it really really really clear that I'm not scum. He says, paraphrasing, that bad dwarves being in the fortress makes the fortress less effective. So, what, there's been a bad dwarf in the fortress from day 1? Think! Didds has read this language, it should've been obvious to them that I'm not scum. There's been at least three messages like this, one at the start of each day. There's no way they haven't read one of them
Swowl points out that Awaclus is obviously correct, and that was a very important distinction that should of been made wayyyyyy sooner.Couldn't agree more.
My guess is the game is still going because Didds is scum & hated, so we can still Exile her with 2 votes. Swowl is likely town and can still kill you, Math, or Scola at night. If Swowl is killed at night, the Sword will return to me and the game will end in a draw, unless I still have protection from scum from inside the Fortress, in which case town will win. If I’m killed at night instead, Swowl will retain the Sword and the game should end in a draw.
This is all assuming 3 scum, which would be {Math, Scola, Didds}. If there’s only 2, then it’s somewhat traditional ExLo, with 2 hated mechanics and a Sword still in play.
Willing to quick Exile Didds.
Math, is Didds your partner?
How would quick exile be town? If scum could quickhammer with no other votes, the game would just be over now, right?
I am surprised at the flips as I do now think Galz and WCD could both be town, and fang was one of my two most scummy reads, with Awaclus 3rd. (1st is mathdude)
Or galz could be 3rd party? I could imagine 2 scum, 1 3rd party maybe.
Scum teams pretty much have one of three possibilities from my perspective:
{Math, Didds, Scola}, {Swowl, Didds}, {Swowl, Math}
Swowl cannot be part of a 3 person team AND have the Sword still. If there IS a 3 person team, the only reason we’re still playing is because Swowl has the Sword and control of a town NK.
My vote preference is Didds, far greater than anybody else, then maaaybe Swowl second. I could also be convinced to go Math if Scola was dead set on it as he’s [Scola] my best guess (beyond Swowl) to be town & I think that ifScola is scum, so is Math anyway, so I think it would be a gambit on their end.
Swowl chuckles at the flips, thinking about how funny it would be if there were actually no skum.
Swowl points out that that would be kind of unlikely as we have had pretty consistent presence of a kill that is not the axe-sword.
Swowl rubs his tiny stupid dwarf head, and says skum to chum is Pasta/WCD->Galz->Math.
Swowl pulls out the axe-sword and shows it to the town, explaining he does still have it.
Swowl thinks that mass claim may be beneficial at this point? Though do to it being a BM... he is doubtful on how much. Swowl would like to know what others think of that.
If this were true though, then how does the game end? Are we all just survivors then? (and if so, some dying through randomness doesn't seen right, even for bastard)
Scum teams pretty much have one of three possibilities from my perspective:
{Math, Didds, Scola}, {Swowl, Didds}, {Swowl, Math}
Swowl cannot be part of a 3 person team AND have the Sword still. If there IS a 3 person team, the only reason we’re still playing is because Swowl has the Sword and control of a town NK.
My vote preference is Didds, far greater than anybody else, then maaaybe Swowl second. I could also be convinced to go Math if Scola was dead set on it as he’s my best guess (beyond Swowl) to be town & I think that is Scola is scum, so is Math anyway, so I think it would be a gambit on their end.
Also, why did you target fang?
If this were true though, then how does the game end? Are we all just survivors then? (and if so, some dying through randomness doesn't seen right, even for bastard)
Scola, have you played a lot of Bastard games? Often dead people play, come in and randomly use PR's they don't have, Mods turning people into Tree Stumps if they feel like it, and other completely off the walls stuff. Like, they are *usually* complete nonsense with no sense of a real game. This game has been.... mostly an RMM so far, and very non-bastard.
Did Swowl say he targeted fang? Or do you know you killed Awaclus?
Didds, you will probably want to read my posts. I know you said you haven't yet. But in them, I think there's pretty clear evidence that you or Galz or both are scum. So for you to say you don't think Galz is scum is either a scum move or a blind town statement. I'm inclined to believe the first, which still doesn't clear Galz.
Also, if only 2 scum, I think a compulsive vig item fully makes sense, from a balance perspective. I would have expected 3 scum with our numbers.
Either that, or koth is really messing with us
Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?
Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?
Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?
Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?
Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?
Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?
I'd still like to see answers to all these questions.
Scum teams pretty much have one of three possibilities from my perspective:
{Math, Didds, Scola}, {Swowl, Didds}, {Swowl, Math}
Swowl cannot be part of a 3 person team AND have the Sword still. If there IS a 3 person team, the only reason we’re still playing is because Swowl has the Sword and control of a town NK.
My vote preference is Didds, far greater than anybody else, then maaaybe Swowl second. I could also be convinced to go Math if Scola was dead set on it as he’s [Scola] my best guess (beyond Swowl) to be town & I think that ifScola is scum, so is Math anyway, so I think it would be a gambit on their end.
Holy typos and unclear subject matter Batman! I've got to stop posting from my phone!
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Sorry Galz, you're right. You did answer. And you seem very hesitant to vote for your supposed partner, Swowl.
Did I miss any answers from Didds or Swowl?
Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?
Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?
Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?
I'd still like to see answers to all these questions.
Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?
Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?
Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?
I'd still like to see answers to all these questions.
I am nowhere near ready to vote and I don’t like feeling rushed. It feels like you are pushing for a quickile knowing that Galz and I are hated, and I’m not willing to be part of that.
I think Galz is town because the fortress protection held with Bright. Galz has yet to articulate a coherent reason why that doesn’t hold for me in his (Galz)estimation. But it is hard for me to overlook.
I feel more confident about town Scola than I did last night, largely because of the fang flip and our exchanges in the fortress. However, If I trust him, that means you or Swowl are scum and I haven’t actively considered that because it hurts my heart. But my feelings about him (Scola) are based on interpersonal affinity, so I need to keep thinking.
I’m also still waiting to hear what people’s powers are. Swowl and I are at a disadvantage. Everyone now knows my doc shot has the chance of rolling quack. Everyone knows that Swowl has the axesword and has to kill tonight. What about the rest of you??
I'd be ready to claim at least my flavor*. As far as I know we know,
WCD is Doc.
swowl is Dopey (hence the not speaking).
mathdude is some other 7d.
And Galz is that sword forging Norse dwarf.
* and learn which dwarf mathdude is
I'd be ready to claim at least my flavor*. As far as I know we know,
WCD is Doc.
swowl is Dopey (hence the not speaking).
mathdude is some other 7d.
And Galz is that sword forging Norse dwarf.
* and learn which dwarf mathdude is
If you will state your best guess as to which of the remaining 5 dwarves I am, I will either confirm or correct your guess.
And then you claim your flavour-name after. But I don't mind having mine revealed first. After all, Swowl and Didds should already know.
Swowl points out he has already answered Math's question.
... and while he believes Galz is a good dwarf... there could be shenanigans afoot. Swowl kind of wishes at this point, that he had just given the fucking thing back after the first night. After that, when we got a green flip from Bright, Swowl figured he had to keep it.
Swowl rubs his tiny stupid dwarf head, and says skum to chum is Pasta/WCD->Galz->Math.
Swowl rubs his tiny stupid dwarf head, and says skum to chum is Pasta/WCD->Galz->Math.
I think Scola was going to share, but I’m not sure. I advised against it in the Fortress last night, but that was before we had two town flips today. Now I’m not so sure.
I think Scola was going to share, but I’m not sure. I advised against it in the Fortress last night, but that was before we had two town flips today. Now I’m not so sure.
He's the only one of us who has not shared his abilities or name, so I find it... unusual
Swowl thinks about the no exile idea. He needs to think about it some more.
He does agree with the general logic though.
Sorry, busy day.
I have no idea which dwarf mathdude is. You don't seem particularly Sneezy, Sleepy, or Bashful. So that leave Happy and Grumpy (amusingly enough, opposites). I'll guess Happy?
As for me, joining late as I did, I tried to think of someone who would other wise not have been taken, and when with....
MINI-MI
I did breadcrumb this earlier when I asked joth for 1 million dollars.
Swowl wonders what everyone's stance is on the No Exile concept.
Sorry, y’all, it’s the weekend. More when I’m out from under
Sorry, busy day.
Swowl wonders what everyone's stance is on the No Exile concept.
Busy again today, but will think on this tonight.
Sorry, y’all, it’s the weekend. More when I’m out from under
Same
I get that Saturday (4 posts) and Sunday (6 posts) are the weekend and some people aren't as available. But today's posts (i.e. this being the first one) are sad for a Monday.
mathdude yawns
Good luck tomorrow town, if the game is still open. You've done exiled a good little dwarf.
It is true. And you are scum.
mathdude, humor me, play as an outsider and assume you are scum - who would you suspect as your partner?
It is true. And you are scum.
mathdude, humor me, play as an outsider and assume you are scum - who would you suspect as your partner?
I'll humour you and answer once we see you flip.
If you are town, then it doesn't matter. But if you're scum, then whatever I say could provide a launching point for your partner tomorrow.
Also, [math]'s alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.
Also, [math]'s alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.
My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!
My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!
My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!
Yeah. In other news, I still hate the fact that town never exiles people based on NK'd townies' reads.
Except when I'm scum. I love that fact whenever I'm scum.
So much more of this game was happening in the qts than the thread. It was crazy pants!
So much more of this game was happening in the qts than the thread. It was crazy pants!
Anyway, thank you all for playing my goofy dwarf game with me. I had fun and I hope you did too.
So much more of this game was happening in the qts than the thread. It was crazy pants!
I love QTs and QT-heavy games but I always forget that this happens and I should really try to mitigate it.
Anyway, thank you all for playing my goofy dwarf game with me. I had fun and I hope you did too.
Anyway, thank you all for playing my goofy dwarf game with me. I had fun and I hope you did too.
The fortress was able to take damage in a number of ways. It would automatically get weaker the taller it got, it would take damage from attacks, and it would take one. damage when Brightgalrs died. It had four hit points.
Scum being in the fortress did not weaken it, though, it just made it ineffective AGAINST SCUM. So unfortunately, it only ended up working against the town vig.
I think it's fair to add math to the scola basket of "kill these people or they will never be noticed until they win as scum".
It was super fun, Joth! I love a QT and I had so many! I got to know math and Scola better, and I already love Swowl and Galzy!
Thank you!!!
I think it's fair to add math to the scola basket of "kill these people or they will never be noticed until they win as scum".
I do not like this basket.
It was super fun, Joth! I love a QT and I had so many! I got to know math and Scola better, and I already love Swowl and Galzy!
Thank you!!!
Yes, this seemed like a dream set up for you! :)
And pubby. So many!My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!
There were lots of good reads this game, actually. It took quite a bit of effort to make sure they didn’t coalesce! You, Awaclus, fang and Scola (for the most part) we’re all often spot on.
And pubby. So many!My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!
There were lots of good reads this game, actually. It took quite a bit of effort to make sure they didn’t coalesce! You, Awaclus, fang and Scola (for the most part) we’re all often spot on.
Actually, question for you joth - one of my role powers was investigative results on me would have returned Bad Dwarf. But when I read through the roles, I didn't see any such investigative powers - did I miss something?
I'm happy I read Didds correctly! I'm sad I read math incorrectly. Oh well, I do know Didds more than math.
I think it's fair to add math to the scola basket of "kill these people or they will never be noticed until they win as scum".
bahahah I got punked lol. I think I did more harm to Town then skum did lol
That was fun though - thanks Joth!
GGs everyone!