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[Eevee]

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.

Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.

@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?

Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.

Airport posting!

[LaLight]

Vote Count 2.1+3

Eevee (1): schadd
mcmcsalot (2): pingpongsam, AndrewisFTTW
Dylan32 (3): Robz888, Eevee, mcmcsalot
AndrewisFTTW (2): The_Wine_Merchant, Witherweaver

Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Dylan32


With 13-3 alive it takes 5+1 to lynch.
Day 2 ends Monday, Mar 21-1 at 1am FT.

[mcmcsalot]

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.

Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.

@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?

Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.

Airport posting!

It's not scummy to have missed an l-2. Its just interesting to note that Andrew thought he was making an l-1 vote while also taking a shot at eevee for not voting after making a case. Meaning andrew is casting what he thinks is an l-1 vote and expecting eevee to hammer. Scum would want to vote then instead of waiting for eevee to vote and then having to be the hammer. It's just a possible scum narrative that would fit for why he voted Joseph when he did.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.

Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.

@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?

Ok so if I was scum what exactly would I have to gain from putting Joseph at L-1 and then pretending like I missed Eevee's vote and then pretending like I noticed it immediately afterwards?

Nothing. I believe you that it was an accident.

[AndrewisFTTW]

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.

Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.

@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?

Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.

Airport posting!

It's not scummy to have missed an l-2. Its just interesting to note that Andrew thought he was making an l-1 vote while also taking a shot at eevee for not voting after making a case. Meaning andrew is casting what he thinks is an l-1 vote and expecting eevee to hammer. Scum would want to vote then instead of waiting for eevee to vote and then having to be the hammer. It's just a possible scum narrative that would fit for why he voted Joseph when he did.

Expecting Eevee to hammer? Whahuhziwhat?

[mcmcsalot]

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.

Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.

@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?

Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.

Airport posting!

It's not scummy to have missed an l-2. Its just interesting to note that Andrew thought he was making an l-1 vote while also taking a shot at eevee for not voting after making a case. Meaning andrew is casting what he thinks is an l-1 vote and expecting eevee to hammer. Scum would want to vote then instead of waiting for eevee to vote and then having to be the hammer. It's just a possible scum narrative that would fit for why he voted Joseph when he did.

Expecting Eevee to hammer? Whahuhziwhat?

Yea you said you agreed with eevee's conclusions and weren't sure why he didn't vote. You said I'll do it for him, and posted your vote with an l-1. So we assume you understood your vote was placing Joseph at l-1 and we assume you expect eevee to vote Joseph after coming to the conclusions he did. This is just a theory though, I know I'm town so I'm not sure you as scum even need to move from me to Joseph, it's just one theory that when added to other theories all put together might make a good case for you being scum. I am not voting for you currently.

[AndrewisFTTW]

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.

Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.

@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?

Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.

Airport posting!

It's not scummy to have missed an l-2. Its just interesting to note that Andrew thought he was making an l-1 vote while also taking a shot at eevee for not voting after making a case. Meaning andrew is casting what he thinks is an l-1 vote and expecting eevee to hammer. Scum would want to vote then instead of waiting for eevee to vote and then having to be the hammer. It's just a possible scum narrative that would fit for why he voted Joseph when he did.

Expecting Eevee to hammer? Whahuhziwhat?

Yea you said you agreed with eevee's conclusions and weren't sure why he didn't vote. You said I'll do it for him, and posted your vote with an l-1. So we assume you understood your vote was placing Joseph at l-1 and we assume you expect eevee to vote Joseph after coming to the conclusions he did. This is just a theory though, I know I'm town so I'm not sure you as scum even need to move from me to Joseph, it's just one theory that when added to other theories all put together might make a good case for you being scum. I am not voting for you currently.

Actually I was just questioning why Eevee didn't vote as I would do to anyone, that doesn't mean I expected him to hammer. Keep stretching.

[mcmcsalot]

Your right andrew I'm sorry I'll stop coming up with possible narratives for what people have done because it's a stretch. I'm sorry I don't know your alignment so everything I say is going to be a stretch. Doesn't mean it's not helpful to put it out there as a possible narrative.

[mcmcsalot]

Andrew you are still voting for me as well. Do you really think I'm scum and I'm trying to force your mislynch or set up your mislynch while also making sure we focus off wagon and try to lynch lurkers dylan/idp/twm. You think me and eevee are partners and buddying eachother for no reason like dylan? What's the narrative that fits me doing all of this work and putting out narratives and different cases on most players in the game and actively giving reads and thoughts. You think I'm doing all that in a game where without prompting robz/twm/dylan/idp will post almost no content...you seem just pissed off im not assuming you are town.

[Dylan32]

Andrew you are still voting for me as well. Do you really think I'm scum and I'm trying to force your mislynch or set up your mislynch while also making sure we focus off wagon and try to lynch lurkers dylan/idp/twm. You think me and eevee are partners and buddying eachother for no reason like dylan? What's the narrative that fits me doing all of this work and putting out narratives and different cases on most players in the game and actively giving reads and thoughts. You think I'm doing all that in a game where without prompting robz/twm/dylan/idp will post almost no content...you seem just pissed off im not assuming you are town.

I resent the comment that I wouldn't post without prompting. I was busy IRL, I started posting as soon as I could.

[Dylan32]

And as for what's the narrative for you doing all this, what you described is exactly what scum wants to do.
1) Build a case on Andrew to set up his mislynch - yes scum would do this. And I like how you straight up say Andrew is a mislynch.
2) Focus on the lurkers off wagon - yes scum on wagon would want focus there. Lurkers are easy and uninformative mislynch targets.
3) Buddying - Makes more sense for scum than for town to me.
4) Build cases on most every player in the game - yeah the more you can keep other people focused on other people, the better position scum!you is in.
5) Actively giving reads and thoughts - ideal play by both alignments would do that.

So don't act like it is impossible for someone to see your play as scummy.

[Dylan32]

And yes, scum would also try to do 1 and 2 at the same time, because if town's attention is divided, it'll be harder for them to consolidate and easier to manipulate towards the desired mislynch.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Your right andrew I'm sorry I'll stop coming up with possible narratives for what people have done because it's a stretch. I'm sorry I don't know your alignment so everything I say is going to be a stretch. Doesn't mean it's not helpful to put it out there as a possible narrative.

Not everything you say is a stretch, but this whole me pretending I missed Eevee's vote in hopes that he hammers fr some reason is most definitely a stretch.

[mcmcsalot]

I shouldn't have said you wouldn't post without prompting I'm just upset. I was speaking as though andrew is town so his lynch would be a mislynch. If andrew is scum I don't really care what he thinks about my narrative for him being scum. If he's town I want him to think through why I've come to the conclusion I came to(it's plausible) and point out all the other things that I'm doing that are clearly attempts at getting thoughts and discussions going because we have lots of people not doing that.

[Dylan32]

Wait eevee, so are you going to actually be gone for more than a week or something? And have a safe trip!

[AndrewisFTTW]

Andrew you are still voting for me as well. Do you really think I'm scum and I'm trying to force your mislynch or set up your mislynch while also making sure we focus off wagon and try to lynch lurkers dylan/idp/twm. You think me and eevee are partners and buddying eachother for no reason like dylan? What's the narrative that fits me doing all of this work and putting out narratives and different cases on most players in the game and actively giving reads and thoughts. You think I'm doing all that in a game where without prompting robz/twm/dylan/idp will post almost no content...you seem just pissed off im not assuming you are town.

You're obviously not going all out but if you're attacking me I'm going to defend, especially if I think your case is unfounded or suspect, like this whole L-1 business.

But anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the other votes on the wagon like I posted earlier. You singled me out but never addressed the other votes that have 0 substance.

[mcmcsalot]

Your right andrew I'm sorry I'll stop coming up with possible narratives for what people have done because it's a stretch. I'm sorry I don't know your alignment so everything I say is going to be a stretch. Doesn't mean it's not helpful to put it out there as a possible narrative.

Not everything you say is a stretch, but this whole me pretending I missed Eevee's vote in hopes that he hammers fr some reason is most definitely a stretch.

It's not pretending. You missed eevee's vote(fact), you were aware Joseph was at l-2 before you voted(fact), you expected eevee to vote for Joseph(fact you said I don't know why eevee didn't vote). SO ONE COULD CONCLUDE, that you wanted to get on the Joseph wagon before it's got brought up to l-1 and then you would have to hammer if you were going to vote.

ONE COULD ALSO CONCLUDE, that after not finding Joseph scummy his continued unhelpfulness and posts about claiming convinced you that maybe he was scum so you voted for him.

[mcmcsalot]

I have talked about the other votes. I guess I'll go back and find my own content to repost.

[mcmcsalot]

request prod: robz

His last post was almost 48 hours ago.

Fine, fair. I'm here, reading, lurking, prioritizing other things at the moment.

If this doesn't happen soon I'm requesting your replacement. Another 23 hours down and still nothing. We lynched town d1, were going to lose later because we have no idea of your alignment.

[mcmcsalot]

Before I forget ash wanted the restless spirit to claim, let's discuss that. If we have VV we only have the governor so restless spirit not claiming(if we have one) keeps how many V's we've got hidden.

Maybe I was too quick to say the ub shouldn't claim. It would be nice if we accidentally mislynch the ub and they can pull off the actual governor lynch prevention into their death overnight but idk.

Maybe if we have a restless spirit they can claim because if they die we still get there vote, and then if a restless spirit claims we can have the ub claim and then we have two ic's and only one can die overnight?

[mcmcsalot]

Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.

Nice buddying.

See even that feel like your responding quickly to what I'm saying like were having a conversation, scum never wants to do that, they are more careful in their image and can thus come across like they are waiting for moments where they can make a comment that looks good for them.

Fun throwback to when Andrew thought I was buddying him...

[mcmcsalot]

Vote Count 1.3

IDontPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (3+1): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW, ashersky, Robz888
Eevee (2): schadd, Joseph2302
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
Joseph2302 (1): Eevee

Not Voting (2): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame

With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.

Around this time I make some defenses of myself and Robz/eevee/witherweaver/schaad all defend me in some way or another for what I think are good reasons.

Dylan, pps, and Andrew all post reasons they find me scummy.

Next ashersky and I get into a bit and I begin to omgus him and witherweaver and robz both point out how much this looks like town on town and that they don't want to lynch either of us. This almond with TWM coming in and townreading me as well seems to stall my wagon and I turn away from ash toward Joseph for being unhelpful and scummy.

Eevee suggests looking into the lowcontent posters but doesn't and then asks what the case is on Joseph.

Vote Count 1.3+1

IDontPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
mcmcsalot (3+1): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW, ashersky, pingpongsam
Eevee (1): schadd
Joseph2302 (2): Eevee, mcmcsalot
Dylan32 (1): The_Wine_Merchant
pingpongsam (1): Joseph2302

Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888

With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.

Vote: mcmx

L-2

I believe this is the height of my wagon. And right after this robz/ww/schadd/eevee vote for Joseph. This feel a ton like townies honestly not liking the wagon on me getting so close to lynch without another option and so the person I'm pushing makes sense to join. This is what evens our wagons out.

It is then with this vote that andrew finally changes his opinion and moves his vote away from me and onto Joseph, quickly followed by pps who hammers a few posts after having said he would agree to disagree about my alignment.

The real people who had strange inorganic movements here are andrew and pps. The issue is that Joseph was acting increasingly scummy so it's very possible that's the actual moments that town!andrew and town!pps had had enough.

Here is the bulk of what I say about robz/eevee/ww/schaad's votes. Obviously it's hard to create more of a narrative for robz because he hasn't posted anything, I think eevee's vote made sense, you agreed with his analysis of Joseph yourself and he was town reading me so his vote makes sense, schadd I am majorly town reading based on how he is playing the game, overall pro town, high post counts, present.

I guess I should at some point do a ww reread next but I am town reading him as well so there you go. I'm doing my best while getting called scummy for laying out possible narratives. luckily there are enough people(hopefully townies) that see what I'm doing as townie.

[mcmcsalot]

Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.

It's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.

The issue being twm/dylan/eevee could also be the scum team with eevee buddying me much the way I buddied faust recently, get an active townie to push lynches for you, didn't come to much bigger conclusions than anyone else, and have his scum partners just lurk the entire day away.

Now being forced to pick between these types of narratives(these aren't the only two teams just examples) I absolutely don't want to punish active town andrew and pps for having slightly different opinions than me, especially because mine were wrong about Joseph in the first place. I would much rather lose to pps and andrew because twm and Dylan and idp just lurked way to hard as town. If that makes sense.

Here is where I go more in depth into the on wagon players and there votes  vs off wagon players. The lurking has been cleared up, twm and dylan and idp explained themselves and I decided I found Dylan's explainations the scummiest though it's good to note robz is currently on dylan because I originally put forward idp as the scummiest one and robz that made robz nervous. I doubt robz/dylan are on the same team which is very helpful. .

[mcmcsalot]

Robz was viewing the thread but disappeared, Hopefully takin a break mid reread.

[mcmcsalot]

Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.

Oh so the last three people to vote on a mislynch are the scummiest. Cool, got it. Sarcasm aside though, I think pps's vote is scummy. It looks like he thought a quickhammer would gain him towncred which I'm not willing to grant him.

It's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.

ash was a null read for me D1, why would you expect me to discourage people moving to him? That's misleading and is obviously an attempt to subtly encourage suspicion without committing to it heavily.

mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.

Oh look andrew your response last time I talked about on wagon vs off wagon you also find the end of the wagon scummy and you also think looking off wagon is good. So you now saying that I singled you out is crap. Your playing super super reactively to whatever the last thing posted is which is super scummy.