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[Hydrad]

I'm considering myself conf!town IC, for what it's worth.

Well I also consider myself an IC. But ya right now I don't see that great of a scum narritive for you. So you get like 87% town read for now.

[Witherweaver]

Meaning I expect all you people to talk.

I should not have townread Faust so much in retrospect; that let me be more confident in thinking Teproc was scum.  Though, I still think Faust's play was really weird.

Iguana sounds scummy here, but let's no one vote until we read Faust interactions. 

[Witherweaver]

I'm considering myself conf!town IC, for what it's worth.

Well I also consider myself an IC. But ya right now I don't see that great of a scum narritive for you. So you get like 87% town read for now.

Sorry, but you are a top lynch candidate.  From your perspective, one of Teproc's results has to be wrong, and you must know  Iguana is scum.  (Teproc targeting three scum with two innocent results is pretty crazy.)

[Hydrad]

I'm considering myself conf!town IC, for what it's worth.

Well I also consider myself an IC. But ya right now I don't see that great of a scum narritive for you. So you get like 87% town read for now.

Sorry, but you are a top lynch candidate.  From your perspective, one of Teproc's results has to be wrong, and you must know  Iguana is scum.  (Teproc targeting three scum with two innocent results is pretty crazy.)

Ya I'm fine with an iguana lynch. And ya it was mostly a joke.

[Witherweaver]

Iguana was scummier than Hydrad on the Faust wagon.  Amph was basically gone all day, which is not great for him but not sure that it means much given the timing and length of the day.

[2.71828.....]

Just reread Hydrad.  He looks like scum to me. 

What is scummy about him is hard to put into words.  He was big into an ampharos lynch, he loves bus driving (even specifically bringing it up back on D2), he joined the faust wagon so he wouldn't be on the wrong side of things.  He chose faust's side in the WW vs faust thing.  Everything feels very, well, stiff for Hydrad. 

Again, I don't have anything specific besides PoE and circumstantial evidence, but I am happy with a Hydrad lynch today.  I am also not surprised that Hydrad would have been the one to do the kill last night.  I mean, totally WIFOM (WW was going to target Hydrad or iguana) but WW had already targeted Hydrad once without success to it makes sense that he targets iguana.

Because right now (unless scum have ninja), WW has targeted both iguana and Hydrad and received "no motion detected" both times.  And AT LEAST one of them have to be scum.  I mean, I think both are scum, but no matter what, one of them has to be.

[Witherweaver]

No, I did Hydrad last night.

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oh, reading.  its a thing

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but speaking of reading, I forget, did yuma say his kill was strongman?  it fits with Hulk? skimming now but if anyone remembers that would be great.

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also, I didn't notice this before, but iguana lied to us.

Okay. I am Ghost Rider. I was a one shot bulletproof hero.

Hm.. are you certain you were informed that your shot was used up?

I was just informed that I've been vanillaised.

But I don't think I have the bulletproof anymore...

... why would you assume specifically Jailkeep?

I didn't. I thought either jailkeep or roleblocker. I was told I couldn't sleep well at night because I was "webbed."

Spiderman seemed most likely. So it seemed likely it was a town power, and I didn't want to just talk about it to everyone and potentially alert scum to it.

I would love to hear how iguana was jailkept and vanillaised in the same night

[iguanaiguana]

also, I didn't notice this before, but iguana lied to us.

Okay. I am Ghost Rider. I was a one shot bulletproof hero.

Hm.. are you certain you were informed that your shot was used up?

I was just informed that I've been vanillaised.

But I don't think I have the bulletproof anymore...

... why would you assume specifically Jailkeep?

I didn't. I thought either jailkeep or roleblocker. I was told I couldn't sleep well at night because I was "webbed."

Spiderman seemed most likely. So it seemed likely it was a town power, and I didn't want to just talk about it to everyone and potentially alert scum to it.

I would love to hear how iguana was jailkept and vanillaised in the same night

I was vanillaised N1, notified N2.

Just lynch me, seriously. How can I possibly need to explain this again?

[Witherweaver]

I'm not sure what you mean, e.  Jailkeep doesn't rolestop?

[Witherweaver]

By the way, how do you know that you were Vanillaised during Night 1?

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I'm not sure what you mean, e.  Jailkeep doesn't rolestop?

yeah, which is why I was thinking he was claiming being vanillaised AND getting webbed N2

I didn't read carefully enough to see the vanillaising happened N1 and was just notified.  reading again. 

So that was really nothing

[Witherweaver]

I'm not sure what you mean, e.  Jailkeep doesn't rolestop?

yeah, which is why I was thinking he was claiming being vanillaised AND getting webbed N2

I didn't read carefully enough to see the vanillaising happened N1 and was just notified.  reading again. 

So that was really nothing

I mean it's not a contradiction, even if they both happend on the same night.  Jailkeeping is Roleblock + Doctor, not Roleblock + Complete Rolestop.  So he could have been targetted by both on the same night.

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ok, then that is just me misunderstanding jailkeeping then.

[Witherweaver]

I guess that's a  variation: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

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Ok.  Nevertheless, my reread of iguana also has confirmation bias leading me to see a scum!iguana narrative.  I really like his play from D1/D2, but can totally see it as being scum.  For example, the faust/WW situation.

The entire time he was on faust, but was fighting Ampharos' scumread on faust.  He kept going back and saying that Ampharos' read was pure tunneling and no substance, even while he was voting for faust.

Also, he had a reads list that put faust/WW as 1/2 for likelihood of being scum.  Now, that is super hedgy.  Because the way things were, no one was going to say that they were both scum.  Sure, he was just saying that they were both scummy, but it gave him a perfect out to vote for WW (which he did briefly) when he wanted to without attracting too much attention.  Granted, this is over a long period of time and lots of posts and reads change, but the way he handled the whole situation seems scummy.  Keep scum partner faust as your vote, but leave that door wide open to lynch WW if the opportunity arises.

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Things I want to hear before voting:

1. Who does hydrad think is scum between myself and ampharos? Iguana said earlier that he likes ampharos as scum with faust and Hydrad. But unless I am missing a part again than hydrad has not done that.

2. Ampharos to give input.

[Ampharos]

Hi all, just caught up.  Iguana is the correct lynch.  He's obviously trying to save himself here by casting a shadow of a doubt on what is a pretty obvious situation:  I'm town, have been read strongly town all game by most people, I was seen as town by cop, and had a legit scum read on faust which I pursued heavily, which he managed to weasel out of for a while. 

Plus, last rmm game I was in, town!iguana really went ham at this point in the game, doing everything he could to save town's chances.  He's scum here, this one should be easy.  I'll hold for a second before voting just to make sure we want to do this.

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Ok, that is good enough for me.

vote: iguana

[ashersky]

Vote Count 5.1:

iguanaiguana (1): 2.7

Not Voting (4): Ampharos, witherweaver, iguanaiguana, Hydrad

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[Ampharos]

No point messing around, I suppose.

Vote: Iguana

[Ampharos]

Got nervous.

Unvote

[Ampharos]

No way he's not scum. I'll eat my shoe if I'm wrong.  Got like 1/20th of the way through the re-read and it's so obvious.  The fake fight with faust.  The happy-go-lucky demeanor.  I'll hang my hat on this one.

Vote: Iguana