I'm going to give WW the benefit of the doubt and say the votecount was a mistake, I can buy the explanation regardless of alignment. If it's intentional scum play to make Seprix look like an equal target, then it runs a big risk of anybody going back to look like a page before and see it's wrong. How nobody caught it, I don't know.
OK here is what I got:
First and Foremost: Everyone should go back and review Faust as a known Town player.
WW(3): Swan, Raptor, Skumpy
Seprix(3) WW, SC, Awaclus
Stev(1): Seprix
Awaclus(1): Faust
NoVote(1): Stev
Scenario 2: The miscount was an accident. Which, for new people, does actually happen. Like even MODS do it.
If we are living in a world where people read the vote count that is a 3-3 wagon and think it is true, a few things stand out to me:
1) Swan - I wasn't on. I said I would be and I was wrong, you can go and check. Sorry.
2) Faust and Awaclus - Faust was town so whatever. Does not mean Awaclus is skum, as he can't know for sure and tbh Awaclus kind of just sticks with his vote no matter what.
---then the fun stuff---
3) Stev - He was here. like he even posts to point out that he is in fact present. But still no vote. That means either Stev is town and new and yadda yadda whatever... or Stev is skum and both WW and Seprix are probably skum. Latter probably more unlikely but worth pointing out.
4) Skumpy and XXR - Both switch pretty immediately from WW onto Seprix. I think that this most likely suggests that at least one of WW/Skumpy/XXR are skum. Personally I think it likely that more than one are skum, but lets just say for now 1/3 there for sure imo.
5) Seprix - Here is the tie together. Why in the hell would Sperix, who was present and posting while the wagon was 3-2 (told to be 3-3)... why would he NOT put WW at L-1? An answer from Seprix would be rad here... until I get that my assumption, and I think it has a lot of merit, is that a Skum team of WW/Seprix makes a ton of sense
All that being said.. Mistakes do happen. Right now I think it has to be up between the two of them.. So I am gonna strong push for Vote: Seprix
3) I don't get it: HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET THE SETUP WRONG D2, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEBODY JUST DID IT THE DAY BEFORE? Like, did you just completely miss the Raptor misread yesterday? You have to know there's only 2 scum if you're town, you even went back and looked at the setup chart D1 to crank possibilities. But you also wouldn't try something this bold again if you're scum, which is why it's a great reason to.
4) I don't follow. With 3-3 (or so we thought) before the lynch, somebody's going to have to flip to make the lynch happen. Raptor does with less than 10 minutes left. I follow right after without having any time to look through anything, all I see is L-1. You'd have done the same thing as me. As for Raptor, I don't consider the flip scummy or towny, though it's interesting that it's a total turnaround from what he did D2 in 110. I do consider it as a sign to discount the Raptor/WW team (and Skumpy/WW too, while you're at it
) because I can't imagine scum leaving a teammate so close to a day 1 lynch for no good reason. If the game was like 10-3, then maybe. But to go into N2 1 vs 7 and having to deal with a Cop/Jailkeeper/Tracker, or whatever there is, that's just flat out unwinnable. For similar reasons, I'd lean away from a Raptor/Seprix team, though if it's known you're around and you don't flip, that's a bad look. But still much safer than lynching a teammate.
5) I don't know why Seprix wouldn't flip. But if's a team, then why would WW leave a vote camped on Seprix for so long, when there were plenty of other wagons to choose from? He even acknowledged he could switch to a lot of other people. So no...I think a WW/Seprix team makes no sense, actually.
(And after reading ahead, I see DatSwan corrrected himself. OK then)
At the claims - obviously we're not claiming today, but if it's Column A or B, then scum can't fakeclaim because the town PR would know they're lying, and we'd get down to a lynchpool of 2. Not a terrible idea for scum, I guess, but it's moot anyways.
I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time. I'm probably going to be working at every deadline to be honest. Joining a Mafia game may have been a bad idea.
WW miscounted on purpose. He wanted to see who was going to pseudohammer and make a hard read on it. And so I am going to go Town read here for WW. DatSwan is making interesting arguments, he is safe for now.
Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Haven't you commentated matches at like 4 in the morning? Like, you're usually around, and it's not hard to quickly check in and make a post. I can relate to it being stupid to join mafia though.
The problem with assuming the miscount was intentional is that there's no way that nobody's going to catch him. Yet somehow, nobody caught him.
The Awaclus novote is a great play if he's trying to protect a teammate. That would be you. If he's scum, he makes sure you're dead.
Currently stuDYING. I will post all thoughts after exam tomorrow.
I thought you were another 30-year-old swim coach. Are you not? (I love prying into people's affairs!)
I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time.
I think Swan is wondering why you didn’t vote WW in this post:
I'm not sure why my wagon is a thing.
You still like your vote?
I mean yeah but it's clearly not happening so I'll have to find another good candidate.
I see Swan’s reasoning. Vote: Seprix
Because I didn't think WW was scum and I still don't? I'm not going to lynch a guy I think is town.
Well this is in direct opposition to what you said yesterday. So much for D1s are impossible to read.
I was going to vote SirClemens. Then I was going to vote DatSwan. Then I was going to vote Seprix. Now I have no idea. I think there's a lot of good juicy tidbits we got from the D1 vote. Which I will collect later. There is something seriously wrong if Awaclus is making the most sense here. And now I want to vote Awaclus.
...I'll figure it out.
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