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[MiX]

We don’t know if that was really what Joth found out. If there is a third name, it’s scum.

But mail-mi won't learn a third name. They'll just learn "no".

[WestCoastDidds]

Well that’s not nearly as good.

[scolapasta]

Didds, can you remind me what you did N1 to joth (in that you targeted him?)

[scolapasta]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

[MiX]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

I presume there's a scum human alive and no I have no idea.

[scolapasta]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

I presume there's a scum human alive and no I have no idea.

But you don't think human scum can kill humans?

[LaLight]

I agree I think joth is scum, I just don't consider that as outed.

Once reason for scum to kill you as scum is you get your 1 shot powers back. Especially if scum or scum hosts can't kill humans.

But I still can't kill humans. Mail-mi would need to die for that.

Are you human or host?

the fourth ability I guessed was right, and this is MiX's ability, which is called as Roland from Stephen King's Black Tower: he can kill a host every day before the last 48 hours of the day, and if a person dies, the ability is disabled. The text of the ability also tells that when something happens he will be able to kill humans. Doesn't tell which something.

[LaLight]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

I presume there's a scum human alive and no I have no idea.

But you don't think human scum can kill humans?

This would be too easy. Either there is no scum humans or they can't kill. Maybe if they are alone on the team, they can, or something like that.

[LaLight]

I have no idea. I think if all scums are hosts, it's Didds.

[faust]

Uh...we need a claim order again, right?

faust
LaLight
scola
mail-mi
Didds

I don't know, this seems fine.

Mhf, don't start the claiming with the person who just went to bed!

Anyways, I blocked scolapasta last Night, from Didds, mail-mi, faust, joth.

[faust]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

The obvious reason would be he hoped that MiX hadn't yet selected a target for maintenance.

[faust]

Also Vote: scolapasta is where I'm at. Largely PoE.

[LaLight]

what's scola's flavor name?

[MiX]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

The obvious reason would be he hoped that MiX hadn't yet selected a target for maintenance.

Lol?

Also Vote: scolapasta is where I'm at. Largely PoE.

Did scola claim human/host yet?

what's scola's flavor name?

Oh god I was almost going to flavor claim when I realized my flip did that.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, on N1 I redirected actions that targeted ADK to Joth.

We know Joth is scum, and while he could have been the target himself it seems more likely that whomever targeted ADK killed Joth instead.

[WestCoastDidds]

I have spent some time wondering about the self hammer.

Joth could have killed me (and himself) with this wipeout power. He knows I’m a town host but he must not have been sure about Scola. Otherwise, wipeout and scum wins, right?

[MiX]

I have spent some time wondering about the self hammer.

Joth could have killed me (and himself) with this wipeout power. He knows I’m a town host but he must not have been sure about Scola. Otherwise, wipeout and scum wins, right?

I presume he intends to massacre us when he's revived by his human partner. That's what makes the most sense right now.

[WestCoastDidds]

So, we need to win before that happens. He’d be rezzed at the beginning of tomorrow.

Your shot only works on hosts? So, we could use that on Scola if we think he’s a host? Or if he won’t say?

But would Joth self hammer to leave one last host who he thought could NK me and then they win? It would be pretty gutsy to put all his eggs in that basket. Perhaps more likely that there is one human left so that he could potentially come back. And then it’s probably one of Scola, faust, or yams?

[LaLight]

why would scola not claim??

[MiX]

why would scola not claim??

So he didn't claim yesterday either, right? I wasn't paying close attention to D5.

So, we need to win before that happens. He’d be rezzed at the beginning of tomorrow.

Your shot only works on hosts? So, we could use that on Scola if we think he’s a host? Or if he won’t say?

But would Joth self hammer to leave one last host who he thought could NK me and then they win? It would be pretty gutsy to put all his eggs in that basket. Perhaps more likely that there is one human left so that he could potentially come back. And then it’s probably one of Scola, faust, or yams?

It's probably scola or faust, yes. Mail-mi quite literally had a scum result on joth from D2, I think he's town.

[faust]

Scola, on N1 I redirected actions that targeted ADK to Joth.

We know Joth is scum, and while he could have been the target himself it seems more likely that whomever targeted ADK killed Joth instead.

No, like, they were both scum.

[MiX]

Scola, on N1 I redirected actions that targeted ADK to Joth.

We know Joth is scum, and while he could have been the target himself it seems more likely that whomever targeted ADK killed Joth instead.

No, like, they were both scum.

What? Why?

[faust]

Scola, on N1 I redirected actions that targeted ADK to Joth.

We know Joth is scum, and while he could have been the target himself it seems more likely that whomever targeted ADK killed Joth instead.

No, like, they were both scum.

What? Why?

I made a whole big post and everything.

Given the apparent limitations on the scum kill, we should assume that there are 3 scum. The game is still going, so it seems likely that one of those scum is dead. (Though the game could be going for other reasons, i.e. maintenance plus abilities that block/redirect kills.)

The dead hosts are ADK, Awaclus, MiX.

It seems unlikely that scum would kill scum!MiX if they otherwise they would have a blocking majority for the exile. So if MiX was scum (and thus this kill a ploy for us the resurrect and townread MiX) then I think that means that another scum is already dead.

Which leaves ADK and Awaclus. But Awaclus had, by LaLight's admission, an ability that directly ties into the town wincon (i.e. he would not count as a host towards the town wincon) - which doesn't make a ton of sense if he's scum. The conclusion would be that either Awaclus and LaLight are both scum and LaLight is covering for Awaclus (but that seems a bit strange given that Awaclus seemingly cannot be resurrected), or - most likely - Awaclus is town.

Which in turn leads me to conclude that ADK is scum. And ADK being scum strongly implies that mail-mi is town, since he shut them down for good (as confirmed). And if we work under the assumption that mail-mi is town, then we should also trust his result on joth. Which, in turn, makes joth scum as well.

This all means that scum shot scum N1. Which, considering that there are 2 scum hosts, seems like a decent play for towncred. It also makes Didds look towny, since if scum already planned to shoot their own it doesn't make much sense to also have redirection going on.

Do you see flaws in this logic?

[MiX]

I do see a flaw in your logic: given LaLight's role, it's very much possible that scum!Awaclus had something that makes him townie. Isn't that the whole point of LL's thing? Thus he can be scum.

[faust]

I do see a flaw in your logic: given LaLight's role, it's very much possible that scum!Awaclus had something that makes him townie. Isn't that the whole point of LL's thing? Thus he can be scum.

What do you mean, something that makes him townie? Like he could alignment switch?