Okay, I have a couple things to address. First, Jotheonah:
Ok, well I need to go to bed. I'll be on tomorrow morning and if people want me to full claim I'll do it in the morning. In any event, please afford me the courtesy of staying Vote #7 and allowing me my last words.
Or, alternately, just unvote and don't make this horrible town mistake.
Okay, I want you to full claim. I think it's necessary at this point. In fact, I wish you had simply done it then,
because this way it gives the appearance that you are taking the time to think up a suitable cover role. I'm not saying I won't believe you--indeed, I probably will believe you--but this looks much worse to me.
Oh, and we really shouldn't kill Jo, unless his claim is ridiculous or he is counterclaimed. But we shouldn't kill me either!
On to Volt:
The "rebuttal" I'm waiting for is what's alluded to here:
Can you see me doing it because the players who are attacking you are making a convincing argument whereas you are not? Cause that's what's happening...
I hate to leave it like this, I really do, but I have a ticket for a Jonathan Coulton concert and I gotta head out. Back on much later tonight.
Their argument is terrible. Luckily, it will be disproved quite soon.
I assume something further is coming to disprove the arguments against Robz. That's what I'm hoping to see in the morning.
Unfortunately, all I meant by that was this: I assumed I was going to be killed, and that would disprove the "Robz is mafia" argument. Once I die, you will all see that I am town. But since that's not the explanation you wanted, I'll try to defend myself again anyway.
(I like that you post relevant youtube scenes. If I could, the scene that reminds me most of how you ask me for answers happened on the most recent "Game of Thrones" episode. Lady Sansa asks Joffrey if he will be leading the vanguard in the battle. Joffrey looks around nervously and replies that he is not going to consult battle plans with stupid girls. Sansa replies, "Oh, forgive me, I AM stupid. Of
course, you will lead the vanguard, how stupid to even ask!" That's you and me in this game, Volt.)
Grah, forgot something.
Robz, you said that you've been playing "sloppy" if you were Mafia, and asked me if you play sloppy. The implication, of course, being that because you're playing sloppy, you can't be Mafia.
The problem is that you yourself said you change the way you play with every game.
You just got done playing a game as Mafia where you were far from sloppy. Now, you're in a new game. You're supposedly being "sloppy." But you change the way you play every game. So how does that acquit you? If you were really Mafia again in this game, I think the last thing you would do is play just like you played in M-II.
I'm not saying "you must be Mafia because you're playing differently than M-II." I'm saying that I don't find comparing your behavior in this game to your behavior in M-II is really all that compelling one way or another. (I know this is a centerpiece of Dsell's argument. You'll notice I didn't cite it. That's because I don't find it compelling.)
Okay, I'll try to defend myself again. First about changing how I play--I don't think I revolutionize how I play every game. And we can't totally control our behavior. In Mafia II, I really tried to control every possible impulse to say things. I think a careful obsverer of I and III will note that I've been faster and looser. But whatever, these comparisons don't help so much. Why I am innocent? Because the case made against me is weak.
Dsell indicated that he was suspicious of me early on, before I had said much of anything. He found my lack of posting disturbing. I've explained numerous times why I didn't post so much, but here it is again 1)There were a lot of other games 2)We had new people and I wanted to let them take the reigns. So I ignored Dsell at first, posting and ignoring him. Well, he brought it up again. So I fired back at him a bit, not really satisfying his question, to see what he would do. I didn't dream that this would turn him to campagin against me, nor that it would convince others I was suspicious. I was certainly too convinced of my invincibility in the first round of this game. I was making every effort to needle and gather suspicions, and refusing to discuss myself much. I didn't bother to explain myself, and this has come back to be a problem.
However, I can't help get the feeling that Dsell was after me the whole time, no matter what I say. Yes, I've heard his explanations for how this turned from slight suspicion to near certainty, but it doesn't make sense to me. It wouldn't, I suppose, since I know am a member of the town. He's either a very mislead member of the town, or a member of the mafia.
Look, I'm sure I don't have satisfactory responses to all questions about what I did this round. I intentionally needled Eevee a bit, and that has caused me to grow suspicious of him--he is STILL downplaying his abilities, even after I called him out for it. And he's a poker player! Not a 12-year-old! He's still suspicious to me. And so are you--although you switching your vote just made things more complicated--and so is Dsell and so is Jo, and... I'm confused this round. I'll admit it. If the members of the mafia were actually Galzria, eHalycon, and Def, it actually wouldn't surprise me at all (just a random three there). Moving on:
Galzria's defense of RobZ is making me nervous, I know that some of us are n00bs, but frankly the "We're the experienced players and we're so good - so unvote before you have both of us killed" is slightly insulting.
Jotheonah IS Mafia. Volt PROBABLY is Mafia. Robz IS town.
I don't see how any truly town player could make such a confident statement - for sure we don't have anything firm to support an explicit statement of fact.
To be fair, I agree that Galzria doesn't know the meaning of the word certainty. He is way to confident about what he actually knows. I don't know at all how he is "sure" Jo is a mafia member. Now it looks like Jo might actually be a power townie, so yeah. That said, I agree with a lot of Galzria's analysis. Just not always his confidence.
So, if Jo is a power townie... anybody want to hop on the Eevee bandwagon? It's not too late... all are welcome...