Okay, so finally re-read Walrus and this is what I got.
Just did a quick reread, and the one who jumps out as scummiest to me is vote: sudgy. First of all, that boomtown Archetype wagon seemed to me like it possibly had scum on it. Second of all, every post this game sudgy has been reminding us about when and when he's not joking. Maybe he does that normally to some extent. But it just seems very forced here: HAHA I'm voting for the IC...no HAHA don't vote for me it was just a joke...all my other posts were jokes but not this one HAHA!
Here he protects Arch by putting suspicion on those voting for him.
Archetype: I have a tough time reading this guy, and apparently he will post more starting soon. Obviously the most notable thing is the wagon that ran up on him. I admit that when I first saw his "If ash doesn't get killed N1 -> we can lynch him!" post, I too thought that it looked pretty scummy. But then that "jokey" wagon ran up on him frighteningly fast, and while I believe most of that wagon is jokey, I do think it's likely there's scum on there. So I end up on null-to-scummy on Arch.
Says he thought Arch was scummy, but that there's probably scum on his wagon, but ends up null-to-scummy on Arch.
OK, well it looks like the most major thing that's happened since I last posted was sudgy's half-claim? To be honest I don't like it. Maybe I just don't get it? I'm finding it hard to understand why he would do this as town or scum. But I'm leaning scum.
First of all, couldn't he just lie about his results? "Oh I targeted Bill, and look I didn't die! So I guess Bill's in the clear XD" Meanwhile sudgy and Bill are scumpartners. Am I missing something, or is that a really dangerous possibility?
Second, with claims left and right already this game, maybe sudgy thought he could just slip another one in there and nobody would think too much of it? The timing was really silly, and of course he made sure to mention conspicuously that his claim had *nothing* to do with the votes on him, which is a fine bit of WIFOM. In an RMM environment, we can expect that practically everyone has a PR. So it's easy to claim one, and it's hard to learn too much based on that. Every lynch, mis- or otherwise, is liable to be a PR, and you sort of just have deal with that. Pretty much everyone is going to claim something when they get down to L-1 (or earlier).
Third, in order to use sudgy's supposed ability in a pro-town manner, we'd have to tie up other PRs to confirm his claims. Those PRs could be doing other more useful things, and then we'd have to believe those claims, and so forth. Unless the rest of sudgy's ability is really awesome then maybe there's more efficient things to do.
So I think this claim is pretty weak (HAHAHAHHAHA), and I just talked myself into a vote: sudgy. The only thing holding me back a bit is the fact that this is nowhere near the path of least resistance for scum to take, especially D1. It would be quite gambit-y, which I believe sudgy is capable of, but still not as easy as lurking. If sudgy is town, it could also possibly be an easy mislynch for scum to push through, given its visibility. But despite these reservations, and considering my earlier scumread, I'm happy with my vote for now.
Here I'm actually getting the same sort of vibe which I initially voted Arch for (for the record I'm not claiming a whole lot of credit for the Arch lynch - I saw something early on which I thought was scummy and the person turned out to be scum, maybe I was just lucky), and that is trying too hard to seem to be mulling things over. Especially in the first paragraph here. It just seems a little fake to me.
The other biggest wagon is on Archetype, and I could get behind that too. I mentioned in my previous post that he was one of my scumreads, and I also found his recent post with the "surprise V/LA" to be awfully convenient, just as somebody had called him out about that. So I could be OK with an Arch lynch.
Stating he could get behind the Arch lynch. He reminds us that Arch was a scumread of his and concludes he could be OK with an Arch lynch.
How the hell do you know EFHW isn't a time-traveling doctor IC? This is RMM you know. Plus, haven't there been like 20 doctors by now?l Maybe some more are around. I don't actually watch Dr. Who (gasp!). It just seemed likely to me.
So, as I understand it, you're voting for me mostly because of my explanation of my reservations for voting for sudgy? Grrr. I hate playing the game of "what parts of my thought process are socially acceptable to voice in a Mafia game". I recognize that that looks a little hedgy, and I recognized it when I posted it. But the alternative is for me to contribute less to the discussion and post an incomplete fluffball. Is that what you'd prefer? I coulda just lurked and said LOL CHRISTMAS
If we're not allowed to find people scummy for claims (especially weird D1 half-claims in RMM), and we're not allowed to find people scummy for unannounced V/LA, then scum will prey on our naïveté, and you know there are some players who would fully capitalize on that.
Fine. I apologize for getting frustrated. My point was I put forward the effort to reread and explain my rationale, and I get a vote for my troubles. That was the source of my annoyance. I am not advocating that anybody should lurk.
"Speech is blasphemy, silence a lie. Above speech and silence there is a way out."
--Zen proverb
I've said this before I think, but these two posts seem a bit fake to me.
Time rapidly dissipating before the deadline, and all "wagons" at middling strength. We need to start approaching a conclusion. It would seem that sudgy isn't happening today, so let's try something else. Prove me wrong sudgy.
vote: jotheonah. I wouldn't blame you if you call this OMGUS, and maybe that's part of it. But take a look at this:
The sudgy lynch isn't happening so he turns to jo, someone else he actually wants to lynch.
Well, I really didn want to have to claim today, unlike some of our more eagle claimants. But it looks like I'm defaulting to a lynch and this might be my last chance todo so. So here's some of it:
I am River Song. I have several cool powders including the ability to time travel.
her not have to say more than that, but I will if I have to.
Would I like to joina larger wagon? Like the one on me? No thanks. On xeiron? He's a town read for me and two of my scumreads are currently a boarded. I am willing to join Jimmmmm and vote: Archetype though. I'm not sure what I think about a Galz lynch...I guess it's better than nothing?
And then this. The post in which he voted for Archetype at the point when I was the only other person voting for him. The big question is, obviously, why would he restart the Arch wagon if they were teammates. One answer is that he (Walrus) still expected to be lynched and wanted to have his vote on a teammate to try to give him Towncred. In fact, Walrus still receives votes after this. What's really interesting is that Arch voted for Walrus (#444), then unvoted (#445) then revoted for him (#449). I'm not sure what to make of that. Quite possibly he also thought Walrus was going to be lynched and wanted to make sure he was on the wagon. After this he never really pushed the Arch lynch, probably because he was absent - his last post before the hammer was when Arch only had 4 votes, and his last post about Arch before the hammer was when he only had 2. For me this puts Walrus' voting for Arch at a nulltell at best, and a Mafia scenario makes sense.
In summary Walrus maintained a null-to-scummy read on Arch early Day 1 while also casting suspicion on those voting for him. He and Archetype then voted for each other when it looked like Walrus was going to be lynched, possibly as a way to get Arch Town points. Walrus has also seemed less than genuine at times.
Add in sudgy's death and indications from others that the Mafia may have targeted elsewhere, and I think that's plenty enough for a
Vote: Walrus.
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