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[Galzria]

Galzria, that was a good extrapolation, but missing a conclusion. What does all that say about ash and whether we should lynch him?

Sorry, that kinda falls under the "I don't know".

I don't believe it's the right play... if only because regardless of his reasons behind the claim, if he is in fact town, then lynching him is probably the worst of any situation. That is, in RMM any mislynch is likely to bad, but if Ash is town then I think he's making it clear that he feels that his lynch would be worse than normal... and I think I'm willing to grant him that.

The other thing I keep thinking (rightly or wrongly), is that I can't recall the last time scum jumped at the first opportunity to fake claim... yet I can come up with countless examples of town claiming (often prematurely) believing that doing so will make them obv!town.

Here... well, I could see scum!Ash playing this way. But for D1 I'm probably willing to give him the benefit of the doubt... which of course means he's likely scum >.> (I'm notoriously bad at reading Ash).

[Jimmmmm]

I didn't get the jokes re: Jimmmmmm's and sudgy's votes, but now that xeiron mentions it, I can see it's possible.  Jimmmmmm and sudgy please clarify why you voted!

Not RVS but not "We must lynch this guy now!" Somewhere in the middle. Arch has seemed slightly scummy to me. I'm well aware that Arch always seems scummy. But I do believe that early Day 1 wagons are a fine and useful tool for Town.

[ashersky]

It's nice to have Galz back in a game.

[xeiron]

Starting a wagon isn't being the 1st vote on and often not the 2nd when it is D1 RVS. 3rd is arguable but come on, 4th and up is "starting a wagon". You were emphatically interested in seeing a wagon built on Archetype and your standing vote confirms that. faust is the only standing vote that has any solid reasoning behind it. You have provided no basis whatsoever for your vote. What is your interpretation of ashersky's claim with regards to your perception of his alignment?

I am leaning town on Ashersky, and think we should not lynch him today. Otherwise, I am not drawing any conclutions about him.
About my vote for Archetype. I gave a reason. Not a strong reason, I will not pretend it was, but still a reason.

[sudgy]

I didn't get the jokes re: Jimmmmmm's and sudgy's votes, but now that xeiron mentions it, I can see it's possible.  Jimmmmmm and sudgy please clarify why you voted!

It was mainly a joke, but I like making big wagons early on (see Toy Story for that).

[xeiron]

I voted ashersky. The archetype wagon, which has scum written all over it, sprung up almost immediately thereafter. Xeiron started it, with the flimsiest of reasons.

Three RVS-votes, my post, and then two more RVS, including jimm voting twice.
Why is there written scum all over that wagon?

I am also not sure in what degree I started the wagon. I am among the second half of the voters, and Sudgy and jimm who voted after me seems to vote not because of my vote, but because they saw a pontential to make jokes from Archetypes answers.

It's hard to classify the 4th, 5th and 6th votes on a wagon as RVS.

2.718 and EFHW RVS'd. I'm still not so sure Jimmmmm was RVS as the 3rd vote in. Your 4th vote was just ambiguous enough to pass as RVS while still getting you in early in case a wagon built which it did and on which you have stayed. If it was so RVS of you why are you still on there?

I might have worded myself badly. I am not saying my vote was RVS. I am saying the other votes was.
Let me explain what I think of every one of them.

Vote: jotheonah for being new

joth isn't new. He modded mafia V. That makes him old

Well, newly returning. I have played with Jo before.

vote: archetype
Scum caught in a web of lies

Classic RVS.

...

I still don't understand why you claimed. I'm leaning scum, but its a weird claim coming from scum. Especially right of the gate.

Vote:ashersky

Vote: Archetype. Only scum says this.

I took this vote as RVS as jimm had a joking tone to his posts around the time he posted this. He later claim it is a serious vote.

I would love to hear what Galzria thinks of the claim, given that he was the one to claim Enabler D1 in Modern Community.

Until then, vote: Archetype seems like a good idea.

Here faust votes Archetype, without any prior mentioning of him at all. I call that random voting. He later claims that is not the case.

...but if you say its likely a power held by Town, why wouldn't scum shoot you?

WIFOM.  Scum could have the power, technically, in specific cases.  I think on D2 we'll know for sure.

Fair enough. Unvote. I think that if ash does enable Town, he'll be dead tonight. If he lives then I guess he enables scum. Or scum thinks he enables scum. Or whatever. WIFOM. I'm willing to give him a pass for D1, but I'll be looking at him harder on D2.

This qoute sounds like scum planning to not NK Ashersky, thus lining up a D2 mislynch.

vote: Archetype

My vote.

Are you serious.

Yep!  Vote: Archetype

A joke vote by Sudgy.

But really, I can't make one post without being voted for.

Vote: Archetype

Another joke vote. Note that jimm is already voting Archetype.

My main point in answer to jotheonah is to show that there didn't really spring up a wagon starting by me.
It was my vote, and one joke vote, and then one more joke vote that doesn't count because jimm already had his vote on Archetype.

[EFHW]

I like nothing about Ash's claim. If you're going to claim D1, you'd better have a cogent, well-argued case for it being pro-town. He doesn't.

I would be ok with lynching him D1, but I also see the case for waiting a bit.

If he is scum, xeiron is his partner. He did the chainsaw thingy. I think, might be wrong on the lingo, it's been a while, but he started the Archetype wagon to distract from my ashersky vote.

Those are the lynches I support right now.

You are pointing out that xeiron's vote for Archetype came right after your vote for ashersky, but it also came right after Archetype UNvoting ashersky.  If ashersky and xeiron are scum partners, why attack the very person who had just decided NOT to vote for ashersky?  Also, sudgy had also just unvoted, so the threat to ash was not that great.

166 Archetype unvotes ashersky
167 jotheonah votes askersky
168 sudgy unvotes askersky
169 ashersky defends his decision to claim
170 xeiron votes for Archetype.

[jotheonah]

Archetype wagon does look a little less scummy on re-read. Give us some guidance, IC.

[EFHW]

A post count would be great, if someone has time.  We should take a look at the players with the fewest posts.

[ashersky]

Arch - 17
chairs - 7
sudgy - 8
walrus - 11
xeiron - 9
ashersky - 29
faust - 11
galz - 4
2.7 - 9
EFHW - 24
PPS - 18
nkirbit - 7
joth - 20

yuma - 5 (for comparison)

[ashersky]

Looks like 11 and under is the low half.

[faust]

Archetype wagon does look a little less scummy on re-read. Give us some guidance, IC.

Trying to sheep the IC? Scumtell. Vote: jotheonah

[faust]

Nevermind on vote count, I missed the one earlier on page.

vote: xeiron

I think the overall argument for xeiron's lynch is more than reasonable.

Saying something like this so early into the game is very strange.

Above that, considering chairs, his claim to become a tree stump might be correct and he could still be scum. Scum tree stump seems less bastardly to me than town tree stump anyway.

[chairs]

Nevermind on vote count, I missed the one earlier on page.

vote: xeiron

I think the overall argument for xeiron's lynch is more than reasonable.

Saying something like this so early into the game is very strange.

Above that, considering chairs, his claim to become a tree stump might be correct and he could still be scum. Scum tree stump seems less bastardly to me than town tree stump anyway.

I disagree; in my opinion scum tree stump is Bastard bait.

[faust]

chairs, I have previously asked you to flavor claim; did you not see that or did you see it and decide not to do it?

[faust]

Also, is your alignment releaved once you become stumped? That seems to happen sometimes. Is your transformation permanent?

[EFHW]

Nevermind on vote count, I missed the one earlier on page.

vote: xeiron

I think the overall argument for xeiron's lynch is more than reasonable.

Saying something like this so early into the game is very strange.

Above that, considering chairs, his claim to become a tree stump might be correct and he could still be scum. Scum tree stump seems less bastardly to me than town tree stump anyway.

I disagree; in my opinion scum tree stump is Bastard bait.

chairs, since you are here, can you answer my question and respond to faust's comment about your vote?

[jotheonah]

Archetype wagon does look a little less scummy on re-read. Give us some guidance, IC.

Trying to sheep the IC? Scumtell. Vote: jotheonah

ICs are natural leaders. Why shouldn't we trust the one person we can trust? It would be different if that were my only post, but I think I've been sheeping along pretty solidly.

[jotheonah]

I meant to say playing there. Not sheeping. Not a sheep. Bah.

[Jimmmmm]

Arch - 17
chairs - 7
sudgy - 8
walrus - 11
xeiron - 9
ashersky - 29
faust - 11
galz - 4
2.7 - 9
EFHW - 24
PPS - 18
nkirbit - 7
joth - 20

yuma - 5 (for comparison)

Wait, I'm playing right?

[chairs]

chairs, I have previously asked you to flavor claim; did you not see that or did you see it and decide not to do it?

I did not see it, but I don't see the reason behind it.

[chairs]

Also, is your alignment releaved once you become stumped? That seems to happen sometimes. Is your transformation permanent?

I don't know if my alignment is revealed.  I assumed I would "flip" like dying.  I assume that the transformation is permanent, but given the time travel mechanic there's a possibility that someone can somehow prevent/delay it, I suppose.

[faust]

chairs, I have previously asked you to flavor claim; did you not see that or did you see it and decide not to do it?

I did not see it, but I don't see the reason behind it.

I don't know the flavor that well, but I thought maybe someone could tell us if your claim makes sense flavor-wise.

[chairs]

Nevermind on vote count, I missed the one earlier on page.

vote: xeiron

I think the overall argument for xeiron's lynch is more than reasonable.

chairs please say more.

EFHW, is this the question?  I don't really have anything to add.  He's a lynch option that both looks viable and I think is less likely to be a mislynch than other choices that have been made.

However, if Galz isn't V/LA we should really consider ye ol' lurker lynch.

[chairs]

chairs, I have previously asked you to flavor claim; did you not see that or did you see it and decide not to do it?

I did not see it, but I don't see the reason behind it.

I don't know the flavor that well, but I thought maybe someone could tell us if your claim makes sense flavor-wise.

If I survive to D2, I will happily claim my flavor.