/tag. In if I die early in Rewind.
I was afraid of something like that .../tag. In if I die early in Rewind.
Vote: EFHW
Also wrting schadd with a capital letter is a criminal offense.
What's a c?
Vote: shaddWhat's a c?
It's a letter. He wrote shadd
Also wrting schadd with a capital letter is a criminal offense.
Silver wrote schadd without "c" also!
will the moderator take these votes? what counts for mistakes and what not?Depends on the mod.
Also Request: Vote Count to see how much of this nonsense has been accepted.
i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guysI should probably change my signature at some point. For now I am saved by your lack of voting skills!
vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
You're all in trouble now.
You're all in trouble now.
Why? :-[
You're all in trouble now.
Why? :-[
You'll see.
You're all in trouble now.
Why? :-[
You'll see.
Is it because you're scum?
You're all in trouble now.
Why? :-[
You'll see.
Is it because you're scum?
Why would that mean you're in trouble?
hmmm.
vote: J Reggie
hmmm.
vote: J Reggie
Is this a real vote?
hmmm.
vote: J Reggie
Is this a real vote?
Feeling the pressure, huh?
hmmm.
vote: J Reggie
Is this a real vote?
hmmm.
vote: J Reggie
Is this a real vote?
Semi real.
So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.
Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game. But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.
Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game. But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.
Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game. But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.
Surely you have a cutie with ash though...
Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game. But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.
Surely you have a cutie with ash though...
That's true. Ash and I have daychat :)
So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.
So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.
Me too! But possibly with less success :-P
ah! you sound slightly more concerned about being lynched than 0. by my novice detective skills, vote: fausti mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guysI should probably change my signature at some point. For now I am saved by your lack of voting skills!
vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys
vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys
vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
Vote: Faust is what we are supposed to do. You need a space in there.
But maybe after we lynch him, you can audition for the role of Faust?
i don't have a particularly impressive vocal rangei mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys
vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
Vote: Faust is what we are supposed to do. You need a space in there.
But maybe after we lynch him, you can audition for the role of Faust?
F.ds mafia: the musicali don't have a particularly impressive vocal rangei mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys
vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
Vote: Faust is what we are supposed to do. You need a space in there.
But maybe after we lynch him, you can audition for the role of Faust?
So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.
Me too! But possibly with less success :-P
Oh, you haven't played with me before I guess.
F.ds mafia: the musical
Vote: Gkrieg
F.ds mafia: the musical
At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!
Please tell me there are some of my kind of geeks in here who actually feel where I'm going with these...
Vote: Gkrieg
Finally getting back at me for all those times I voted you huh
Vote: Gkrieg
Finally getting back at me for all those times I voted you huh
Actually, that was exactly it. Kind of like cumulative OMGUS.
I kinda don't like WW's play here. Too mysterious and strange. vote: WW
seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it
seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it
So you understand everyone else's play?
seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it
So you understand everyone else's play?
no, but yours is loudest and most not-understandable, because you vote for people all the time with at my glance no reason and say things like "we all in trouble". It's like you're insane townie or maybe SK (I'd expect from then smth like this) or the scum behaving like insane townie. Or you have a purpose, but I think I'm too inexperienced to get it
seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it
So you understand everyone else's play?
no, but yours is loudest and most not-understandable, because you vote for people all the time with at my glance no reason and say things like "we all in trouble". It's like you're insane townie or maybe SK (I'd expect from then smth like this) or the scum behaving like insane townie. Or you have a purpose, but I think I'm too inexperienced to get it
Why do you think an SK would want to behave like that?
vote: LaLight
I'll unvote but continue suspecting you a little.
LaLight seems just like town LaLight from the last game.
LaLight seems just like town LaLight from the last game.
White knighting already, huh!
everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff
so, uh, vote: mail-mi
also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend
also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"Yeah that's not how it works. We all go to random.org and put everyone's name is. The first four names are scum reads. Then, you find evidence to back those scum reads and share them with the class
also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"
are the bonds of mafia school not sacred to you?also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"
Just vote Faust.
Wow where is all this LaLight love coming from all of the sudden?
you kinda just solved high school. have funalso, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"Yeah that's not how it works. We all go to random.org and put everyone's name is. The first four names are scum reads. Then, you find evidence to back those scum reads and share them with the class
go die in a fireWow where is all this LaLight love coming from all of the sudden?
I'm pretty surprised and glad too =)
F.ds mafia: the musical
At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!
Please tell me there are some of my kind of geeks in here who actually feel where I'm going with these...
And I just want to feel aliiiiive...
...on Day twoooooo
Too bad you missed Buffy/Angel mafia!F.ds mafia: the musical
At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!
Please tell me there are some of my kind of geeks in here who actually feel where I'm going with these...
And I just want to feel aliiiiive...
...on Day twoooooo
Yes!! You are my new favourite f.ds person :-)
Too bad you missed Buffy/Angel mafia!F.ds mafia: the musical
At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!
Please tell me there are some of my kind of geeks in here who actually feel where I'm going with these...
And I just want to feel aliiiiive...
...on Day twoooooo
Yes!! You are my new favourite f.ds person :-)
Not sure what to make of schadd.score! maybe
Schadd is town.i would be inclined to agree
Schadd is town.Schadd is schadd. Not sure what to make of him yet.
i would be inclined to agreeSchadd is town.Schadd is schadd.
Any ideas for what we can claim guys?land? i claim south america. i can call you the aztecs, and the aztecs when you call me you can call me pizarro
I'd support a flavor claimvote: WW
*flavor.I'd support a flavor claimvote: WW
All VTs have the same fake claim. It would out all our PRs.
No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!
If personal media was allowed, I'd probably give you a 6 or 7 minute recording of me sighing.No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!
No, but we could claim our favorite ice cream or something.
My favourite ice-cream is honeycombNo claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!
No, but we could claim our favorite ice cream or something.
If personal media was allowed, I'd probably give you a 6 or 7 minute recording of me sighing.
I'd support a flavor claimvote: WW
All VTs have the same fake claim. It would out all our PRs.
Vote Count 1.3:
schadd (1): Roadrunner7671
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
Roadrunner7671 (1): Joseph2302
SpaceAnemone (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver
faust (1): iguanaiguana
Witherweaver (2): LaLight, mail-mi
LaLight (2): silverspawn, Faust
mail-mi (1): schadd
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on September 17 at 2:20 a.m. forum time.
Wow there are like no wagons. I mean except that we should lynch WW because his high chance of being scum
Wow there are like no wagons. I mean except that we should lynch WW because his high chance of being scum
We should lynch whomever I'm voting for.
Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes
Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes
But Joseph didn't have any votes, so isn't this kind of hypocritical?
Yeah, that's a great way to ensure we get no wagons going!
How about Vote: Joseph?
Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes
But Joseph didn't have any votes, so isn't this kind of hypocritical?
Yeah, that's a great way to ensure we get no wagons going!
How about Vote: Joseph?
Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes
Yeah, that's a great way to ensure we get no wagons going!
How about Vote: Joseph?
Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust
Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust
Well yeah? If I tried starting a hard wagon, it wouldn't work and then we wouldn't have a wagon!
Guys, you caught me.Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust
Well yeah? If I tried starting a hard wagon, it wouldn't work and then we wouldn't have a wagon!
Better than the same wagon as in every game with Joseph.
No.Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust
Well yeah? If I tried starting a hard wagon, it wouldn't work and then we wouldn't have a wagon!
Better than the same wagon as in every game with Joseph.
No.Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust
Well yeah? If I tried starting a hard wagon, it wouldn't work and then we wouldn't have a wagon!
Better than the same wagon as in every game with Joseph.
So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.
So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.
Well it's certainly better than sitting around twiddling our thumbs. And you know, Joseph can still be scum. Not voting him because he always gets votes is just as stupid as always voting for him.
So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.
Well it's certainly better than sitting around twiddling our thumbs. And you know, Joseph can still be scum. Not voting him because he always gets votes is just as stupid as always voting for him.
I really don't understand your reasoning here. You're trying to start the easiest wagon because there's a chance it could be on scum? Why don't we just randomly lynch every day because there's a chance we could hit scum?
No, I'm voting for Joseph because he's scummy. Coincidentally, it is also likely that this will lead to a real wagon.So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.
Well it's certainly better than sitting around twiddling our thumbs. And you know, Joseph can still be scum. Not voting him because he always gets votes is just as stupid as always voting for him.
I really don't understand your reasoning here. You're trying to start the easiest wagon because there's a chance it could be on scum? Why don't we just randomly lynch every day because there's a chance we could hit scum?
why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way
why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way
WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
WW, Lalight: townie.
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.
WW, Lalight: townie.
J Reggie: slightly scummy, though he seems like the type of guy that gets scumread as town every game.
schadd seems very schadd-y. Is this his first game?
J Reggie is bad for suggesting a claim. WW is baaaaad for suggesting a flavor claim.
Joseph was RVSing too far into day 1. slightly scummy.
J Reggie/faust exchange seems like one of them could very well be scum. doesn't seem like town v town to me. Could even be scum v scum. Will look at more if one of them flips scum.
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.
So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?
WW, Lalight: townie.
J Reggie: slightly scummy, though he seems like the type of guy that gets scumread as town every game.
schadd seems very schadd-y. Is this his first game?
J Reggie is bad for suggesting a claim. WW is baaaaad for suggesting a flavor claim.
Joseph was RVSing too far into day 1. slightly scummy.
J Reggie/faust exchange seems like one of them could very well be scum. doesn't seem like town v town to me. Could even be scum v scum. Will look at more if one of them flips scum.
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
I'm gonna do a line by line.
agree with LaLight being townie, but it scares me that he is pretty universally a town read. Not so sure about WW. He is pretty null to me
Yes it is his first game
I don't think suggesting claims is all that bad. It wasn't very clear that all the VTs had the same flavor name.
Again, this is just Joseph being Joseph
What in their exchange makes you think it isn't town/town?
I know why it's bad, but I asked why it is scummy.WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.
So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?
Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.
I know why it's bad, but I asked why it is scummy.WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.
So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?
Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.
In my opinion scum does not approach D1 from a "how can I make the towns out all their PRs" angle. Scum is much more focused on keeping a low profile, appearing townie and generally helpful or whatever their meta is. It's probably overdone; I do think scum generally could get away with doing more rolefishing moves. But you really have to step out of your comfort zone for that, and in my experience, that's just not happening usually.
i'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. it seems as though his approach is to brush me off as a dope rather than address the thing that i said and i kinda fancy myself not a dope
i don't have any other stances
everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff
so, uh, vote: mail-mi
also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend
schadd seems very schadd-y. Is this his first game?Yes it is his first game
What, we need wagons??? Never fear, Iguana is here!
Vote: Joseph
actually, i've just talked myself into it. JR also suggested a D1 claim. vote: J Reggie
WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.
So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?
Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.
oi'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. it seems as though his approach is to brush me off as a dope rather than address the thing that i said and i kinda fancy myself not a dope
i don't have any other stances
uh nope not trying to brush you off as a dope.
since you'd like me to respond...everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff
so, uh, vote: mail-mi
also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend
I voted for you to mess with the capitalization thing. It was RVS.
yeah because i've been busy with my other games and stuff. now i'm here tho.
WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.
So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?
Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.
You think that I would, as scum, realize this and think that no one else would?
WW, Lalight: townie.?
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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.
So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?
Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.
You think that I would, as scum, realize this and think that no one else would?
I explained this in my post 176. though, now that I've had some time to think about it, you're probably right. It's a very small chance that that would happen. like 2% compared to 49% town you didn't read the set up and 49% scum you didn't read the set up. So very, very minorly scummy.
and same goes for j reggie. But he has other stuff, so I'll keep my vote on him.
What's my other stuff?you know, like, your screwdriver and pet hamster and stuff
What's my other stuff?you know, like, your screwdriver and pet hamster and stuff
I'll answer that when my sister decides that the Thundermans actually is a stupid show and gets off the computer.Get her to join Forum Mafia!
that would be unhelpful to the end of freeing the computerI'll answer that when my sister decides that the Thundermans actually is a stupid show and gets off the computer.Get her to join Forum Mafia!
What's my other stuff?
Yay the forum is back.
Vote: fds for trying to hold up this game and inhibit discussion. Obvious scum tell.
What's my other stuff?
Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.
and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.
That wagon picked up awfully quickly!
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummyThat wagon picked up awfully quickly!
Care to join?
The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummyThat wagon picked up awfully quickly!
Care to join?
The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummyThat wagon picked up awfully quickly!
Care to join?
The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
@mail-mi: do you agree?
That wasn't the reaction I was expected
agreed. Intent to hammer
Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.
What's my other stuff?
Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.
and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.
Man, I have been holding back, but vote: mail-mi. One does not think "oh, this is not two towns fighting" first and then uses that to deduce that someone is likely scum; it works the other wa around.
Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.
agreed. Intent to hammer
agreed. Intent to hammer
Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.
Because?
agreed. Intent to hammer
Hm. Tell me why you think ending the first day this early is a good idea.
agreed. Intent to hammer
Hm. Tell me why you think ending the first day this early is a good idea.
I don't think it's a good idea, as I realised when I intent to hammer someone he speaks, so I wanted to listen to him.
IMO mail-mi tried to focus our attention on faust/jreggie interaction so we choose from these 2. I don't think their "fight" was so scummy from either of them. That's why i personally agreed with voting on him.
PPE
agreed. Intent to hammerstrikes that chord. and he hasn't elaborated on it. i'm not sure whether it helps or hurts that he decided not to hammer someone in that situation
...unvote
LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?
LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?
So let me get this straight: lalight expressed intent to hammer just to see mail-mi's reaction. Mail claimed VT. A lalight wagon formed. Lalight softed PR but then backpedaled? If I understood everything right, I'm not even sure what to think. I guess scum on lalight?
So let me get this straight: lalight expressed intent to hammer just to see mail-mi's reaction. Mail claimed VT. A lalight wagon formed. Lalight softed PR but then backpedaled? If I understood everything right, I'm not even sure what to think. I guess scum on lalight?
What does mean to soft PR? I didn't claim and so didn't backpedaled.
I think LaLight looks pretty townie from that. He just looks like newb!town. Usually you leave someone at L-1 without intent to hammer though if you want to see their reaction. Mail-mis lack of reaction is scummy though
Also, the whole playing scummy/not towny so you don't get NK'd? I learned the hard way that that doesn't work.
Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.
Or not.Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.
So, hey, Joseph is in this game.
When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.
Vote: Joseph
Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.
So, hey, Joseph is in this game.
When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.
Vote: Joseph
what is unclear about that reasoning?
the idea is that scum won't sheep faust if he is on scum
So you're saying that Joseph is scum because there was resistance to his wagon? That argument doesn't really work for me because I'm town and I resisted his wagon.
well, I see. I intended to hammer mail-mi because I wanted to listen to him and know better what alignment he is. Explanation is pretty simple. It's my second game and there's one thing I can't understand. How can we lynch someone D1. The thing is: I play many mafia IRL and we just skip lynching part on D1 because it's bad, you can't say anything for sure just from people's words you need some night actions: cop checks or doctor heals or so on. You need to know that there's someone who knows things and you try to understand who this is and try to understand who is scum pretending to be one. So when I look at D1 speculations, many and more of them are based on people waiting the scum to slip. If there isn't any they just look at someone who somehow is suspicious. For me it's strange.
Look at this case: I'm town. I have a PR. I'm scared that someone will lynch me without knowledge about me and town will lose a hint or more. I try to behave neutral because I don't want to be lynched OR killed at night by those scums. And then I just get votes for nothing.
Well, I don't know what you guys will think about another case: sometimes I want to lynch somebody else, because I know that with more probability he will be scum or (for the worst) VT, because PRs are limited. And then i, okay, wagon. But! I'm pretty sure I do want to know if the one who's lynched is real scum and so I intent to hammer because I just want to see his reaction, is all! I need a lot more experience than now guys to come to know who is scum D1. For now it seems impossible to me. I don't know, it's your choice, but I want to live to D2 just for understanding more of all of you. Right now I see at best slightly scummy people. WW and now mail-mi. I don't think I'll be sure on one choice for 100% D1, if there'll be no real scumslips.
Thanks in advance for understanding.
Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.
So, hey, Joseph is in this game.
When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.
Vote: Joseph
well, I see. I intended to hammer mail-mi because I wanted to listen to him and know better what alignment he is. Explanation is pretty simple. It's my second game and there's one thing I can't understand. How can we lynch someone D1. The thing is: I play many mafia IRL and we just skip lynching part on D1 because it's bad, you can't say anything for sure just from people's words you need some night actions: cop checks or doctor heals or so on. You need to know that there's someone who knows things and you try to understand who this is and try to understand who is scum pretending to be one. So when I look at D1 speculations, many and more of them are based on people waiting the scum to slip. If there isn't any they just look at someone who somehow is suspicious. For me it's strange.
Look at this case: I'm town. I have a PR. I'm scared that someone will lynch me without knowledge about me and town will lose a hint or more. I try to behave neutral because I don't want to be lynched OR killed at night by those scums. And then I just get votes for nothing.
Well, I don't know what you guys will think about another case: sometimes I want to lynch somebody else, because I know that with more probability he will be scum or (for the worst) VT, because PRs are limited. And then i, okay, wagon. But! I'm pretty sure I do want to know if the one who's lynched is real scum and so I intent to hammer because I just want to see his reaction, is all! I need a lot more experience than now guys to come to know who is scum D1. For now it seems impossible to me. I don't know, it's your choice, but I want to live to D2 just for understanding more of all of you. Right now I see at best slightly scummy people. WW and now mail-mi. I don't think I'll be sure on one choice for 100% D1, if there'll be no real scumslips.
Thanks in advance for understanding.
Have you been scum before?
Let's start a good wagon:none of your stuff has sounded like good guys to me
Vote: faust
Let's start a good wagon:none of your stuff has sounded like good guys to me
Vote: faust
vote: joseph
Also, why is RR so quiet?What do you want me to say?
Also, why is RR so quiet?What do you want me to say?
something that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not meAlso, why is RR so quiet?What do you want me to say?
something that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not meAlso, why is RR so quiet?What do you want me to say?
that's good regarding the whole lynching me concern that i expressedsomething that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not meAlso, why is RR so quiet?What do you want me to say?
This guy. I like him.
that's good regarding the whole lynching me concern that i expressedsomething that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not meAlso, why is RR so quiet?What do you want me to say?
This guy. I like him.
This game seems like typical D1 shenanigans, except more so than usual. I've managed to distance myself from that (I think) but that comes at the cost of contributing little to no content.That's still useful though.
When it comes to reads, I will do some sort of reads list but at this point I have null reads and towny reads. I don't read scum on anyone
When's the deadline?
Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
Because mafia school scumfriends need to stick together!Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
yeah dude. how else would we have passed classes such as "pretending to be town" and "not getting lynched and stuff using deception or whatever"Because mafia school scumfriends need to stick together!Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
Wasn't that latter course with professor Rob Z. Ateateate? He's the best!yeah dude. how else would we have passed classes such as "pretending to be town" and "not getting lynched and stuff using deception or whatever"Because mafia school scumfriends need to stick together!Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
Wasn't that latter course with professor Rob Z. Ateateate? He's the best!oh i wouldn't know i wasn't there. also, can you find a river so i can sell you down it
I'm still voting for WW? Great. He seems too confident in this game unlike anybody else. Like he knows something we don't. I call this scummy.
I'm still voting for WW? Great. He seems too confident in this game unlike anybody else. Like he knows something we don't. I call this scummy.I also know something that you don't!
I'm still voting for WW? Great. He seems too confident in this game unlike anybody else. Like he knows something we don't. I call this scummy.that might just be a quality of his? he tends to know things, like, knowledge from books and seeing and whatever
Wasn't that latter course with professor Rob Z. Ateateate? He's the best!oh i wouldn't know i wasn't there. also, can you find a river so i can sell you down it
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way
Get someone to L-1 and I'll let you know.
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him
Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum? It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him
Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum? It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.
I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him
Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum? It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.
I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?
There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly. I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question. It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch.
I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise.
Wow there are like no wagons. I mean except that we should lynch WW because his high chance of being scum
We should lynch whomever I'm voting for.
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him
Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum? It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.
I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?
There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly. I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question. It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch.
I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise.
Um.. Am I getting correctly that you just said that if someone would be on L-1 you either hammer or don't hammer them according on your reads of this person? Well, but it's obvious, why do you tell this? Oo
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him
Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum? It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.
I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?
There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly. I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question. It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch.
I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise.
Um.. Am I getting correctly that you just said that if someone would be on L-1 you either hammer or don't hammer them according on your reads of this person? Well, but it's obvious, why do you tell this? Oo
what is unclear about that reasoning?
I guess that should say I don't agree with that reasoning. It assumes people only don't sheep Faust when he is on scum. Not like when, I don't know, he is wrong or something.
Let's start a good wagon:
Vote: faust
Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)
Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.
Also, why is RR so quiet?
Yes; that was the argument. But I don't think it's a very good idea to look at that wagon before we know Joseph's alignment, because the argument pretty much falls apart if he's not scum.what is unclear about that reasoning?
I guess that should say I don't agree with that reasoning. It assumes people only don't sheep Faust when he is on scum. Not like when, I don't know, he is wrong or something.
Rereading what I missed now. I thought Faust's reasoning was that scum would hesitate before getting on a scum partner's wagon without much evidence but would add their numbers to the mail mi wagon if he's town.
Was that u your reasoning Faust? Maybe we should look at that wagon for scum.
Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
I don't know, check your QT and tell me!
Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
I should possibly talk about the game more.
I feel like this the sort of self-conscious segue that got me scumread elsewhere :-(LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
I felt like WW definitely has confidence, and a slightly sarcastic attitude at times, with things like the "So there are like six scum?" comment in #259. There's a fair bit of answering questions with questions, especially things like "So you understand everyone else's play?" (at #87)... that stuff was my reason for voting WW, at least. I don't really know what's going on in D1 anyway :-P
Done reading now. Please interact folks, we need to get moving again or we won't have anything to go off of later on.
I slightly suspect LaLight, Faust and Space based on what appears to be a slightly higher than usual amount of fluff in their posts.
I'm going for the one for whom it feels best to vote.
Vote: Faust
Guys, for non-native please. What is fluff?
Done reading now. Please interact folks, we need to get moving again or we won't have anything to go off of later on.
I slightly suspect LaLight, Faust and Space based on what appears to be a slightly higher than usual amount of fluff in their posts.
I'm going for the one for whom it feels best to vote.
Vote: Faust
I can see the fluff argument applying to lalight, not so much the other two. I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
I don't know, check your QT and tell me!
It has town and a good funny joke in it. No scums here sadly.
Vote: Faust???
Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
I don't know, check your QT and tell me!
It has town and a good funny joke in it. No scums here sadly.Vote: Faust???
Actually, I don't think fluffy Faust is generally scummy Faust. More the opposite.
I thought you were talking about my post there!Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
I don't know, check your QT and tell me!
It has town and a good funny joke in it. No scums here sadly.Vote: Faust???
I was saying my QT says that I'm town, obviously I know nothing about yours. Both of your responses to me are great examples of your fluff posts this game, though!
I have a memory of a game in which I strongly townread Joseph, and correctly so. I don't really think Joseph is always scummy.Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
Do you know about how Joseph gets, like, always lynched, except when he's scum of course, and has never said a towny thing in his life. This meta makes me highly suspicious of sleeping your silliness.
Hm. I could potentially vote Faust.But can you actually?
Dear goodness gracious Them and I'm sorry.
Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)
Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.
Also, why is RR so quiet?
Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.
For the couple of people in here I don't already know: SA uses singular they as a pronoun.They also refer to themselves in the third person.
you don't like ss? :'(Well, both have too strong Nazi connotations to be really enjoyable.
Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.
Well there was the Joseph thing, but I'm not sure that was scummy rather than just unproductive.What's unproductive about it?
Well there was the Joseph thing, but I'm not sure that was scummy rather than just unproductive.What's unproductive about it?
I'm thinking of them like this:Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.
I think I'm going to go with Spacie.
Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)
Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.
Also, why is RR so quiet?
Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.
The overanalyzing version of me was a super-keen newbie who was not also involved in another game, but then Haddock's one started too, and then this one started before that was over. And I really don't have time/brainpower for multiples at once, but I haven't got a good feel for how quickly the games fill and start, and how long they run for when I don't just die N1...
Also, was I not scumreading you quite heavily at the point I died? :-P
also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?
Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.
Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)
Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.
Also, why is RR so quiet?
Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.
The overanalyzing version of me was a super-keen newbie who was not also involved in another game, but then Haddock's one started too, and then this one started before that was over. And I really don't have time/brainpower for multiples at once, but I haven't got a good feel for how quickly the games fill and start, and how long they run for when I don't just die N1...
Also, was I not scumreading you quite heavily at the point I died? :-P
Yeah, you were. Try being wrong about someone else next time.
also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?
Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.
I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.
That bird has flown.also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?
Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.
I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.
Also by talking about this we're giving scum more Wifom opportunities, so maybe let's not talk too much about it.
also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?
Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.
I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.
Also by talking about this we're giving scum more Wifom opportunities, so maybe let's not talk too much about it.
That bird has flown.also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?
Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.
I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.
Also by talking about this we're giving scum more Wifom opportunities, so maybe let's not talk too much about it.
Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.
I think I'm going to go with Spacie.
I'm thinking of them like this:
Lennie begged, 'Le's do it now. Le's get that place now.'Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.
I think I'm going to go with Spacie.
Okay.. where are we going? :-)
Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)
Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.
Also, why is RR so quiet?
Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.
The overanalyzing version of me was a super-keen newbie who was not also involved in another game, but then Haddock's one started too, and then this one started before that was over. And I really don't have time/brainpower for multiples at once, but I haven't got a good feel for how quickly the games fill and start, and how long they run for when I don't just die N1...
Also, was I not scumreading you quite heavily at the point I died? :-P
Yeah, you were. Try being wrong about someone else next time.
Like me?
Lennie begged, 'Le's do it now. Le's get that place now.'Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.
I think I'm going to go with Spacie.
Okay.. where are we going? :-)
'Sure, right now. I gotta. We gotta.'
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.
I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.
I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?
Just rechecked and none of those were for me. Unless I missed it for the second time.
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.
I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.
I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?
Just rechecked and none of those were for me. Unless I missed it for the second time.
Yeah, good point.
What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.
I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?
Just rechecked and none of those were for me. Unless I missed it for the second time.
Yeah, good point.
What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?
Well I haven't done much this game because I was trying to secure the win in BSG mafia (waste of time!). I haven't done anything scummy, and have done some townie things. Admittedly not many, because I haven't been very active in this game up to this point.
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.
I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?
Just rechecked and none of those were for me. Unless I missed it for the second time.
Yeah, good point.
What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?
Well I haven't done much this game because I was trying to secure the win in BSG mafia (waste of time!). I haven't done anything scummy, and have done some townie things. Admittedly not many, because I haven't been very active in this game up to this point.
What are your townie things you did?
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.
I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?
Just rechecked and none of those were for me. Unless I missed it for the second time.
Yeah, good point.
What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?
Well I haven't done much this game because I was trying to secure the win in BSG mafia (waste of time!). I haven't done anything scummy, and have done some townie things. Admittedly not many, because I haven't been very active in this game up to this point.
What are your townie things you did?
I think my position on Joseph and my putting mail-mi at L-1 were townie
Okay, are we seriously discussing lynching faust day 1? If I say that he always gets NK'd I'm not joking. He is one of the prime NK targets. Why not wait?
Iguana, were any of your questions for me?
Iguana, were any of your questions for me?
You're a town.
@iguana: in a bit, when I'm home
@faust: it's day one and I've been paying more attention to BSG and Rewind than this one. I'm gonna do more stuff later but for now you're way more fluffy than usual, as if you feel the need to post as much as you usually do but with nothing to say cause you're scum, so it's a good place for my vote right now.
@iguana: in a bit, when I'm home
@faust: it's day one and I've been paying more attention to BSG and Rewind than this one. I'm gonna do more stuff later but for now you're way more fluffy than usual, as if you feel the need to post as much as you usually do but with nothing to say cause you're scum, so it's a good place for my vote right now.
Faust doesn't post with nothing to say as scum, though. He creates stuff to say.
Are you saying people just aren't voting for you for the right reasons?@iguana: in a bit, when I'm home
@faust: it's day one and I've been paying more attention to BSG and Rewind than this one. I'm gonna do more stuff later but for now you're way more fluffy than usual, as if you feel the need to post as much as you usually do but with nothing to say cause you're scum, so it's a good place for my vote right now.
Faust doesn't post with nothing to say as scum, though. He creates stuff to say.
It's true. Though I guess you could argue that by posting kinda fluffy and attracting votes, I did create stuff to say. Anyway that's not the point anyone is making, which is bad.
When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.
Huh...that is interestingWhen everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.
This is actually an interesting point. If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.
This is actually an interesting point. If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
score!When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.
This is actually an interesting point. If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
townies plying scummyyou rang?
Iguana, were any of your questions for me?
You're a town.
Iguana, were any of your questions for me?
You're a town.
So uh, who are your scums in your head?
I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little
but he's so very good when he's scum!
I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little
gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?but he's so very good when he's scum!
Why thank you.
After M85 and M84 that I've been reading, I look at mail-mi closely. I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little but he's so very good when he's scum!Actually, the odds of him being scum this game are the same as other games.
After M85 and M84 that I've been reading, I look at mail-mi closely. I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little but he's so very good when he's scum!Actually, the odds of him being scum this game are the same as other games.
After M85 and M84 that I've been reading, I look at mail-mi closely. I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little but he's so very good when he's scum!Actually, the odds of him being scum this game are the same as other games.
yeah, but three in a row?
Actually, the odds of him being scum this game are the same as other games.
I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little
gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?but he's so very good when he's scum!
Why thank you.
You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi
I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little
gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?but he's so very good when he's scum!
Why thank you.
You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi
Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?
I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little
gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?but he's so very good when he's scum!
Why thank you.
You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi
Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?
I was suspecting you because of the faust wagon, and I told you something to see your response.
I was waiting from town!you to sat something like you're good when you're town too. But you just told "thank you" and that is something scum!you would've said.
I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little
gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?but he's so very good when he's scum!
Why thank you.
You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi
Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?
I was suspecting you because of the faust wagon, and I told you something to see your response.
I was waiting from town!you to sat something like you're good when you're town too. But you just told "thank you" and that is something scum!you would've said.
I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little
gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?but he's so very good when he's scum!
Why thank you.
You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi
Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?
I was suspecting you because of the faust wagon, and I told you something to see your response.
I was waiting from town!you to sat something like you're good when you're town too. But you just told "thank you" and that is something scum!you would've said.
Well, I'm not gonna lie and say I'm good as town. ;)
I believe that my reason for being on the Faust wagon is legitimate. Why do you think it's scummy?
legitimatepoint to vote for him.
Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
I believe it does.Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
Day 1 ends on September 17 at 2:20 a.m. forum time.
It just seems off. It isn't a trait of scum!faust or town!faust. I think right now it's more likely to come from scum Faust.Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
Ok, we've got plurality lynch here. I think that's pretty common these days. But please let's not use it.
I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/
Yes. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.0)I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/
Is it a town Faust trait?
Ok, we've got plurality lynch here. I think that's pretty common these days. But please let's not use it.
What is so bad about plurality lynch?
Also both my scum reads are voting for each other. What do I do?
Huh. Thanks for the link. unvoteYes. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.0)I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/
Is it a town Faust trait?
Yes. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.0)I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/
Is it a town Faust trait?
Ok, we've got plurality lynch here. I think that's pretty common these days. But please let's not use it.
What is so bad about plurality lynch?
Also both my scum reads are voting for each other. What do I do?
Then we have the iguana. He expressedly voted for me because I'm more fluffy than usual. Which like isn't a scum tell at all unless you can provide more reasoning for why it would be. I mean, I have to say, igu came to this game quite solvy; for a D1, that's not what I'm expecting. I'm on the fence on whether he could keep up his lurky jokey unhelpful D1 persona as scum. The change to a more focused way of playing is unfortunately scummy, since it's what I expect from someone who's uncomfortable playing scum, and I know that iguana is.
I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.
I like my vote where it is.
I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.
I like my vote where it is.
Any reasons, or just trying to start a wagon?
I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.
I like my vote where it is.
Any reasons, or just trying to start a wagon?
Complete lack of commitment to anything the whole game through.
I know that's everyone but you especially.
Let's call it a pressure vote that I hope results in a lynch.
Lynch list:
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on them, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
That was what you call a tongue in cheek comment.I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.
I like my vote where it is.
Any reasons, or just trying to start a wagon?
Complete lack of commitment to anything the whole game through.
I know that's everyone but you especially.
Let's call it a pressure vote that I hope results in a lynch.
If you hope it results in a lynch, how is it a pressure vote?
I haven't paid as much attention to this game as I should have because of stuff I can't talk about, but I did have the discussion with Faust about the Joseph thing and also as I've said I have a scumread on mail-mi.
Lynch list:
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on him, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Lynch list:
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on him, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
How was putting mail-mi at L-1 bad? Early D1 L-1s are great!
I thought Faust was a good scum player though. Would he be this fluffy as scum? The only argument I can really think of is that he probably wouldn't be this fluffy as town, so that's something....
Huh. Actually I think I like the wagon.
(http://i.imgur.com/c732z.gif)
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?only as much as the next guy. the scumfriends thing with faust was because i voted him and then stopped voting for him and the mafia school thing seemed like a nice narrative
@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?they are the only duke i think
Yeah, people really seem to have forgotten about this game. Let's get a lynch in before the deadline because I probably won't be around then.real? 6 pages in 4ish days seems perfectly fine, judging from cursory glances at the other ones. this might, however, stem from an actual personal time constraint. such is online mafia.
oh also tell me when i have habits that are generally agreed upon to not be helpful for the townsfolkDeclined. You are not supposed to try to be appear to be helpful to town, you're supposed to be helpful to town. The only really helpful thing is to find scum. Everything else is in service of that.
which is why i said things "that [aren't] helpful for the townsfolk" and not "things that make me look scummy." i was thinking something like "no don't say that thing, {cool guy} already articulated in M69 that that strategy doesn't actually make sense and does not statistically indicate who is scum. you are so bad, young fartling."oh also tell me when i have habits that are generally agreed upon to not be helpful for the townsfolkDeclined. You are not supposed to try to be appear to be helpful to town, you're supposed to be helpful to town. The only really helpful thing is to find scum. Everything else is in service of that.
@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?
Maybe I should just do something dumb; when I don't people think I'm not contributing enough.
@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?
Just search for "YouTube" with a hyphen after it and you'll get just my posts.
I don't like the way my wagon is forming. Ii just suddenly decided everyone should vote for me because what? I haven't contributed enough and I'm the most dangerous of his null reads? Neh.
Is this silence because I'm in another timezone or because noone has nothing to say? Deadline is close, we need to decide somethingBoth.
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Well, vote: J Reggie for now. Hopefully ill have time to reread today.
My preference for these 3 wagons is:
(Most wanted first)
faust
Mail-mi
JReggie
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
Is this post supposed to have some kind of point?I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Yes, it negates your point about how different=townyIs this post supposed to have some kind of point?I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Day and a half ishNormally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.
Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.
Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.
Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?
Another unannounced L-2.
Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.
Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?
Another unannounced L-2.
I don't think that is a thing
So basically you're saying you'll never make a case on me? Okay, then I'm not very worried about your vote, other than that it's useless.Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Also this is a horrible question. This is asking what your scum meta is and how it differs from your town meta. I never want to answer that question for you
So basically you're saying you'll never make a case on me? Okay, then I'm not very worried about your vote, other than that it's useless.Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Also this is a horrible question. This is asking what your scum meta is and how it differs from your town meta. I never want to answer that question for you
To make a case, you have to point out things where a person behaved in a scummy way. To talk about what is scummy, you need to present an idea as to what the person you're making a case on would actually do as scum. I mean you can of course also post bullshit stuff like "having little content is always scummy".So basically you're saying you'll never make a case on me? Okay, then I'm not very worried about your vote, other than that it's useless.Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
Also this is a horrible question. This is asking what your scum meta is and how it differs from your town meta. I never want to answer that question for you
I'd be tempted to vote you for this if it didn't mean I would die. That's clearly not what he was saying. Telling you about how others perceive your meta is different from making a case on you in a specific game.
Same, J Reggie. I really don't like that exchange, at all. vote: faustAnd why not?
It doesn't feel right. Can't quite put words to it, so I'll just say my gut.Same, J Reggie. I really don't like that exchange, at all. vote: faustAnd why not?
We are at 4-4-4 now.
Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?
We are at 4-4-4 now.
Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
I do not think mail-mi is easy to read. I read him all along for two days and did not understand he's scum.
We are at 4-4-4 now.
Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
Okay. I kinda hoped there would be more.Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?
I pretty much said this. Because the other two are bad lynches.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?
I pretty much said this. Because the other two are bad lynches.We are at 4-4-4 now.
Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
I do not think mail-mi is easy to read. I read him all along for two days and did not understand he's scum.
Sure, but you're pretty new, so you might just not have gotten the hang of it yet. Is there anyone you think is easier to read than mail-mi?
We are at 4-4-4 now.
Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?
In that I don't remember anything from him except that there's a wagon on him.Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?
In what ways has he been unnoticeable? I feel like he has been very present and noticeable.
Why on Joseph! He is soooooooo town!
We are at 4-4-4 now.
Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.
Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
Uh I very much disagree with the first point, and disagree also with your second point.
mail-mi is difficult to read. Especially now when we haven't seen him flip town since he has been back.
faust has been scummy, and him being a prime NK target isn't a reason not to lynch him.
Why on Joseph! He is soooooooo town!
Why on Joseph! He is soooooooo town!
???
Man, I'm so conflicted.hey. you're the conflict, still.
I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.
It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261
In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.
Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.
Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.
i'm pretty sure that's a bold-faced lie about bold-faced votes. you were the fifth vote on m-m, and i dunno if you can say that you started the wagon in the context of this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg634419#msg634419)I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.
It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261)
In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.
Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.
Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.
I started the wagon on mail-mi. I still think he's scum.
i'm pretty sure that's a bold-faced lie about bold-faced votes. you were the fifth vote on m-m, and i dunno if you can say that you started the wagon in the context of this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg634419#msg634419)I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.
It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261)
In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.
Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.
Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.
I started the wagon on mail-mi. I still think he's scum.
I am the one who knocks.Man, I'm so conflicted.hey. you're the conflict, still
i'm still inclined to agree with igu at the moment about j reggie. but faust also seems a little odd, like you're talking past peopleIt is. I mean, those are some bad votes right there. There's just nothing in terms of reasoning behind them. And I think of the possible wagons right now I am scum's favorite lynch by a large margin.
mail-mi doesn't give me any bad impressions. it feels weird to me that none of the three people in front of the crosshairs seem particularly anxious (faust seems a bit millitant against his voters (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg636540#msg636540), maybe) but maybe that's just the way it goes. inexperienced, etc.
Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
So could you!Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
You could be bussing ;)
Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.well, to be fair. i was the first vote
True. But you voted, nothing happened. I voted, a wagon formed. Which isn't your fault really, people just like sheeping me a lot more than sheeping a newbie.Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.well, to be fair. i was the first vote
i would assert that people only voted with you because you're scum or something except the first one was igu and well i'm sheeping him (sorta) at the momentTrue. But you voted, nothing happened. I voted, a wagon formed. Which isn't your fault really, people just like sheeping me a lot more than sheeping a newbie.Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.well, to be fair. i was the first vote
So could you!Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
You could be bussing ;)
And as frustrating as it is, Faust is probably still a bad D1 lynch. He's too helpful as town, and scum will want too much for town to take him off of their hands without having to waste a night kill. He is a mislynch that scum loves to get on.
I am scum's favorite lynch by a large margin.
i would assert that people only voted with you because you're scum or something except the first one was igu and well i'm sheeping him (sorta) at the momentTrue. But you voted, nothing happened. I voted, a wagon formed. Which isn't your fault really, people just like sheeping me a lot more than sheeping a newbie.Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.well, to be fair. i was the first vote
yes. there are three of them in facti would assert that people only voted with you because you're scum or something except the first one was igu and well i'm sheeping him (sorta) at the momentTrue. But you voted, nothing happened. I voted, a wagon formed. Which isn't your fault really, people just like sheeping me a lot more than sheeping a newbie.Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.well, to be fair. i was the first vote
Wagons!
faust has been scummy, and him being a prime NK target isn't a reason not to lynch him.
Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive.
By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game? They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.
I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
Do what?I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
You always do this : (
By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game? They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.
Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?
Do what?I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
You always do this : (
Hold on, buster! This time I didn't realize that my vote mattered or that we're close to the deadline!Do what?I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
You always do this : (
Unvote close to the deadline when you notice that your vote actually matters.
Hold on, buster! This time I didn't realize that my vote mattered or that we're close to the deadline!Do what?I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
You always do this : (
Unvote close to the deadline when you notice that your vote actually matters.
Ha we lost that game though
By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game? They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.
Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?
I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.
By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game? They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.
Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?
I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.
Why do you think flopping around helplessly makes me scum?
By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game? They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.
Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?
I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.
Why do you think flopping around helplessly makes me scum?
Duel mafia
1. Witherweaver--eh, null, maybe a bit scummy? but mostly null.
2. LaLight--nullish-townie. needs looking at later tho
3. silverspawn--is silverspawn. So kinda townie.
4. gkrieg13--town.
5. faust--scum for reasons I've posted.
6. Roadrunner7671--scummy for absence.
7. Joseph2302--is joseph. null.
8. SpaceAnemone--scummy.
9. J Reggie--is actually pretty townie, I think.
10. schadd--is schadd. null.
11. iguanaiguana--townie.
12. mail-mi--is mail-mi. town.
Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive, which makes me lean a bit more scum-wards on him than my reads yesterday.
1. Witherweaver--eh, null, maybe a bit scummy? but mostly null.
2. LaLight--nullish-townie. needs looking at later tho
3. silverspawn--is silverspawn. So kinda townie.
4. gkrieg13--town.
5. faust--scum for reasons I've posted.
6. Roadrunner7671--scummy for absence.
7. Joseph2302--is joseph. null.
8. SpaceAnemone--scummy.
9. J Reggie--is actually pretty townie, I think.
10. schadd--is schadd. null.
11. iguanaiguana--townie.
12. mail-mi--is mail-mi. town.
unvote. Good points and good town play. If you're scum again, I'm gonna put an altar to my room with Pawn photo and pray every night to the god of mafia which is you. I don't see how can you be a scum with so townish posts. Or can you?
1. Witherweaver--eh, null, maybe a bit scummy? but mostly null.
2. LaLight--nullish-townie. needs looking at later tho
3. silverspawn--is silverspawn. So kinda townie.
4. gkrieg13--town.
5. faust--scum for reasons I've posted.
6. Roadrunner7671--scummy for absence.
7. Joseph2302--is joseph. null.
8. SpaceAnemone--scummy.
9. J Reggie--is actually pretty townie, I think.
10. schadd--is schadd. null.
11. iguanaiguana--townie.
12. mail-mi--is mail-mi. town.
unvote. Good points and good town play. If you're scum again, I'm gonna put an altar to my room with Pawn photo and pray every night to the god of mafia which is you. I don't see how can you be a scum with so townish posts. Or can you?
It is a very real possibility, yes. About as big as the a-priori one I'd say.
I don't think anything about that post is particularly townie. Stream-of-consciousness rereads aren't that hard to fabricate.
uh, I wish I had a good answer to that. Gun to my head it's SA or RR based on not that much.
I don't know what to think about RR here. If someone is unnoticeable, it's him.Which is the exact opposite of every other RR game
I wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T
if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.
I actually also don't know what the letters stand for
It means starting an out-of-nowhere wagon on someone close to the deadline and getting him lynched instead of the current wagons. Good if the current wagons aren't.
By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game? They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.
Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?
I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.
Why do you think flopping around helplessly makes me scum?
Duel mafia
Ok, good point. But I guess I do it as town as well, as evidenced by here. And like all of my other town games so far.
It's basically quicklynching someone who can't defend thenselvesI wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T
if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.
I don't know what is CfD. Wagon?
I don't like going after RR D1, for similar but opposite reasons that I don't like going after Faust. At least, not today. He gets a D1 pass from me.I don't like D1 lynching RR again.
why again?I don't like going after RR D1, for similar but opposite reasons that I don't like going after Faust. At least, not today. He gets a D1 pass from me.I don't like D1 lynching RR again.
I really don't understand why you don't just make a case, or do a reread, or even just go after another player. You have so many resources and as town the only thing you know is that it's not you. So why not make use of your resources?
I'm not really good at the first two things when I'm town, especially D1. Well I could do a reread if I had time but not much would come from it.
I really don't understand why you don't just make a case, or do a reread, or even just go after another player. You have so many resources and as town the only thing you know is that it's not you. So why not make use of your resources?
I'm not really good at the first two things when I'm town, especially D1. Well I could do a reread if I had time but not much would come from it.
Um, extreme quote fail, hopefully you know what I mean.
The RR wagon makes a little more sense because it has a reason, but I still feel like it's probably just trying to get an easy mislynch through. If someone can make a better case than just "he's been absent", I'll consider it.
yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie
I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.
where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.
WW, Lalight: townie.
J Reggie is bad for suggesting a claim. WW is baaaaad for suggesting a flavor claim.
What's my other stuff?
Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.
and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummyThat wagon picked up awfully quickly!
Care to join?
The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
@mail-mi: do you agree?
uh no. I'm not a good player, like, at all.
Will respond to votes later, I have work.
What's my other stuff?
Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.
and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.
Man, I have been holding back, but vote: mail-mi. One does not think "oh, this is not two towns fighting" first and then uses that to deduce that someone is likely scum; it works the other wa around.
Your "fight" seemed very faked. I am not absolutely certain that one of you is scum, but it's good enough for a day 1 vote. And I think it's the only notable thing that's happened for me? I don't really remember anything else.Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.
It's just a game, I'm not gonna get worked up about it.agreed. Intent to hammer
Well. I'm a VT.
yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie
I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.
yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie
I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.
What? What about me is "actually scummy"?
The RR wagon makes a little more sense because it has a reason, but I still feel like it's probably just trying to get an easy mislynch through. If someone can make a better case than just "he's been absent", I'll consider it.
"Look how towny I am for not supporting an alternate lynch! But I will support it if you give me a reason so that I will look better!"
Then, there's the whole "faust is fluffy" thing. It's early to say this, but this really feel like he's bussing a partner. I think faust has been pretty scummy this game, but it has nothing to do with "fluff".So what does it have to do with?
Please don't hammer me. I'm just a VT but I think I finally have good reads and I don't want it to all go to waste. I don't know, what else do you want me to say in my defence?
yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie
I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.
What? What about me is "actually scummy"?
This:The RR wagon makes a little more sense because it has a reason, but I still feel like it's probably just trying to get an easy mislynch through. If someone can make a better case than just "he's been absent", I'll consider it.
"Look how towny I am for not supporting an alternate lynch! But I will support it if you give me a reason so that I will look better!"
I was doing wagon on RR just so he would tell anything, cause I don't have much info on him. It's not "trying to lynch because he's 100% scum" wagon, it's "he's absent, so let's look isn't it the scumminess-absence" wagon. No real point to "get an easy mislynch". If I'm getting this correctly, Silver had the same point.
12. mail-mi - scummy. would lynch
12. mail-mi - scummy. would lynch
Why is Mail-Mi scummy?
Or more to the point, why was he the only one in your list without some explanation?
(big post about why I think mail-mi is scum)
I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.
I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.
I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.
Does that mean you don't think I'm scum either?
Sure I guess I'm okay with eitherIs L-1
Vote: Mail-Mi
is probably L-1
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
I think Doctor now knows this too ;)
I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.
Does that mean you don't think I'm scum either?
No, I think Mail-Mi in particular is someone that's more likely to claim a PR, like Robz, Ash, others. Though it's possible I'm misappropriating here, I don't remember his scum games. But he's a mod/setup/theory type, so he'd think more on setup implications. Well, I suppose with this setup there are other things to consider.
where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.
Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
I think Doctor now knows this too ;)
Well we can lynch Silverspawn, then it's non issue.
I'd actually be for a Silverpawn lynch based on that post.
Oh, I'm up for lynch. Well then.
Guys, I am a VT. And I really don't like that I'm the "guess he's okay" lynch. That always leads to a mislynch (in this case, I know that it does.
Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
I think Doctor now knows this too ;)
Well we can lynch Silverspawn, then it's non issue.
I'd actually be for a Silverpawn lynch based on that post.
Oh, I'm up for lynch. Well then.
Guys, I am a VT. And I really don't like that I'm the "guess he's okay" lynch. That always leads to a mislynch (in this case, I know that it does.
Start a wagon!
Oh, I'm up for lynch. Well then.
Guys, I am a VT. And I really don't like that I'm the "guess he's okay" lynch. That always leads to a mislynch (in this case, I know that it does.
Start a wagon!
I'm dead.
Look at Faust guys. J Reggie is probably town. Don't lynch gkreig ever.
Hmmmm totally missed that hammer post.
Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi
What made it more on the townie side?
probably the one who decided between Reggie and mail-mi
Of course, they could both be town.
Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi
What made it more on the townie side?
Hmm... he seemed to be genuinely trying to stay off "easy" mislynches. Like, that read like it's why he played that way.
Yes, but that's what silverspawn called him out on and his response seemed genuine.Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi
What made it more on the townie side?
Hmm... he seemed to be genuinely trying to stay off "easy" mislynches. Like, that read like it's why he played that way.
Wouldn't it be scummier if you are trying to stay off of "easy" mislynches? Huge town grab if an easy person gets mislynched and you were advocating against their mislynch
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
I think Doctor now knows this too ;)
Well we can lynch Silverspawn, then it's non issue.
I'd actually be for a Silverpawn lynch based on that post.
I have a better idea
vote: mail-mi
Where was the hammer?
well, as I said before I'm quite comfortable with mail-mi lynch. Same with JReggie. Intent to hammer
oh me oh my, you guys. m-m seemed to me like a good person to keep around for a minute since he's already had to claim and has otherwise been in the spotlight and emoted &c a lot (citation needed, i'm on my phone)well, as I said before I'm quite comfortable with mail-mi lynch. Same with JReggie. Intent to hammer
Here.
Do you still think there's a chance mail-mi is scum? A good scum player probably wouldn't claim in thread in case the hammer was fake or there's a governor or something.
Do you still think there's a chance mail-mi is scum? A good scum player probably wouldn't claim in thread in case the hammer was fake or there's a governor or something.Also to not give us an opportunity to discuss who his partners are before night actions have to be taken. It's virtually always actively bad to claim scum during twilight (unless I guess you're the last scum of something).
If mail-mi does flip scum, I think we need to look at Faust.
If mail-mi does flip scum, I think we need to look at Faust.
Why?
Great. If mail-mi flips town, we need to look at faust. If mail-mi flips scum, we also need to look at faust. I must be such a pleasure to look at.
I don't know man, that's what I thought last time.Great. If mail-mi flips town, we need to look at faust. If mail-mi flips scum, we also need to look at faust. I must be such a pleasure to look at.
Oh, ha I didn't see that. Well hey, if it's any consolation this probably means you won't die N1! Unless you get vig killed.
morning, everyone!I don't.
vote: faust, I think.
morning, everyone!It was obvious for scum to not kill faust.
vote: faust, I think.
I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.I'll reread, but willing to accept this
I am silverspawn's partner.
This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
Lynch list:
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on him, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Also, this tells us a little about the setup (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg353797#msg353797).
Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
Also, this tells us a little about the setup (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg353797#msg353797).
Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
I think you don't understand the setup.
Also, this tells us a little about the setup (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg353797#msg353797).
Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
I think you don't understand the setup.
Why? Isn't he right?
Oh. In which case there would be 2 Masons (the one randomly chosen & the UB). Course.Also, this tells us a little about the setup (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg353797#msg353797).
Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
I think you don't understand the setup.
Why? Isn't he right?
No. It's impossible to have only one Mason. What good is that? If one m were rolled, the ub would convert to a Mason.
Also, this tells us a little about the setup (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg353797#msg353797).FTFM
Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and then ss/faust is the UB
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
Day 1 Final Vote Count:
J Reggie (3): iguanaiguana, schadd, LaLight
mail-mi (7): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi
Not Voting (1): RR
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Don't like this one bit.aa
Just kill me or lynch or whatever turns out I don't have time to deal with this level of nonsense.
I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.i don't suppose there's any reason to deny this. if it's a lie then you're just communicating to a random person that you're scum and i'm sure people have gotten that far already. i was getting a somewhat strong scum read on you and ss towards the end, so. potato potahto.
I am silverspawn's partner.
This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.
Also schadd is not very useful, as I recall he has a little amount of posts and what he has is not telling us anything.:(
also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly. if somebody did doctor, any speculations on who was saved? all things considered, the very likely candidate is faust; as i mentioned, they seemed maybe not scummy but definitely like they knew something, and scum may have presumed that to mean they were masons. in which case, silverspawn also assumed that they knew—this (following) post makes more sense with that in mind.I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.
Hmmmm well that kill sucks and is annoying.
Good thing Faust is IC now. Now I don't have to reread him.
Also I think we had the UB claim D1 last time we played this setup, but I can't remember why
There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.oh, ok. i should have maybe realized that since we can only lynch one a day.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.i am glad that you answered but you should've waited so that someone else could say "no, we can only kill one person a night"
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
Space-A is null, need to reread them.
It's not that easy. I wish it wasThere's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.i am glad that you answered but you should've waited so that someone else could say "no, we can only kill one person a night"
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
Space-A is null, need to reread them.
FTFY :-)
I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.
I am silverspawn's partner.
This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
I think it's fairly likely that the wagons the last day were all on town.
The top suspects for today are iguana, Joseph, Space-A.
Really, because I'm not.
i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
whoops! townslipReally, because I'm not.
i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
If you were scum, you would have asked your "Do 2 people die at night?" question in the mafia QT, rather than here.
As far as I understand, I will only know at the start of the next night.I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.
I am silverspawn's partner.
This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
So you know whether or not there is a UB, right?
This works very differently to the Werewolf I'm used to, where any mention of the cult (our equivalent of masons) or oblique hint of its existence got you instantly smitten down by fate (our equivalent of the mod). So this logic is weird to me.Yeah, we don't do that. Things are balanced around the fact that Masons can claim. Posting (rsp. talking) restrictions are kind of stupid anyway.
I'm done playing this game. I'll sheep silver until LyLo including on myself. Otherwise just checking in once a day to post.I don't know what happened, but if ou plan on not playing the game, you would do all of us a service by asking ashersky to be replaced.
question: are you allowed to say (or quote, even) what you and ss said in the mason qt?I think I can paraphrase, but not quote. Is there anthing in particular that is of interest to you?
also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly.How would you get the idea that 2 people die each night?
idk, like, all of it? i dunno what sorts of things you would even say in a mason quickthread (that's right guys! i'm not a mason!) and there isn't anything in particular i would want silverspawn to have said (it's sort of like the last-answering-machine-message-before-someone-died thing, isn't it?) but surely it only benefits us the townspeople to have it all out in the open. and sooner rather than later so you have less time to quickly make everything upquestion: are you allowed to say (or quote, even) what you and ss said in the mason qt?I think I can paraphrase, but not quote. Is there anthing in particular that is of interest to you?
also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly.How would you get the idea that 2 people die each night?
(seriously guys, where's the ANOVA?)
As far as I understand, I will only know at the start of the next night.I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.
I am silverspawn's partner.
This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
So you know whether or not there is a UB, right?
yes(seriously guys, where's the ANOVA?)
Analysis of Variance?
dunno, the several mafia games that i've known about (the summit ones) did that. how would you get the idea that only 1 person does?
thank you
there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
Out of curiosity, how many other games have you played? And how many have you followed?have played 0 games. maybe followed, like, 3 or 4 games? and looked at some of the ones on here out of interest but not that many
thank you
there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...thank you
there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
yes(seriously guys, where's the ANOVA?)
Analysis of Variance?
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...thank you
there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
Things here should be simple enough to do actual probabilistic analysis without needing all that frequentist assume-everything-is-Gaussian nonsense :-Pi mean, gauss made everything in His image, but you know. there is probably data to make some simple and weird conclusions about the people that have played >30 games here, like, s-a copy-pastes from an excel spreadsheet is weakly correlated with them being town (p=.08)
your post didn't give me the impression you were overtly attempting to coin a new term.ohohoho. this is the part where schadnd becomes required reading
As far as I understand, I will only know at the start of the next night.I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.
I am silverspawn's partner.
This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
So you know whether or not there is a UB, right?
yes(seriously guys, where's the ANOVA?)
Analysis of Variance?
Things here should be simple enough to do actual probabilistic analysis without needing all that frequentist assume-everything-is-Gaussian nonsense :-P
Since someone was talking about the set-up above, I started thinking in a bit too much detail about whether the fact we have two masons tells us anything about the distribution of the scum team. It does, but it doesn't skew the overall histogram of setup possibilities very much, so I'll resist the temptation to post mathsy stuff just now. I have thoughts and a nifty little script, though, if anyone would like any likelihoods computed later on..
I'm done playing this game. I'll sheep silver until LyLo including on myself. Otherwise just checking in once a day to post.I don't know what happened, but if ou plan on not playing the game, you would do all of us a service by asking ashersky to be replaced.
Yes it's a real term.that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...thank you
there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
having read the rules, it says that dead players can't post anywhere except in their role qt. can ss still say stuff in the mason qt? that seems like it would be kinda sillyNo dead masons can't post in the QT.
also, for the life of me i can't find where the rules might say how many people die each night.
Okay, this isn't happening but I wanted to ask because I noticed myself doing it with mail-mi in Olympics Mafia.
Is it unethical to use information from other, non-mafia threads? Like if Adrian and tristan suddenly started agreeing in RSP and they were both in this game could someone present that as evidence for a case?
So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
My reads are problematically mostly null or very mild, but here there are anyway.
Witherweaver -- Null (still overconfident/sarky, though!)
LaLight -- Still very newbie!town.
silverspawn -- Null.. He has a lot of short posts I can't really get my teeth into.
gkrieg13 -- Mild town (and I have sympathy with him having put this on the back burner spend time trying to win BSG, even though he actually killed me!)
faust -- Null so far, leaning mild town.
Roadrunner7671 -- I don't even know.
Joseph2302 -- Mild town
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- Null. Some bits of him seem scummy, but other bits seem quite towny.
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
iguanaiguana -- Towny.
mail-mi -- Mild scum. I did just come from a game where he was scum, and he seems really similar.
There are newbies in the game, so the little bit of fluff earlier was really welcome as far as I'm concerned, because it's too hard to engage with the rest of you discussing people's meta when I haven't quite formed my own opinion of most people here. I don't think interacting with people is a bad thing to encourage to make sure stuff keeps happening in D1.
@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?
I'm going to vote: Mail-mi because mild scum is the best I've come up with, and my other scumread is a newbie.
Good morning all!
Vote: iguana
Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.
Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive, which makes me lean a bit more scum-wards on him than my reads yesterday.
@Iguana: what are your reasons for thinking that Mail-mi is a town? I feel like he's at least a bit scummy.
So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
I'm just a town with some mildly funny flavor text actually.Tell me about your flavor text.
WW, are you ignoring my pledge?
You read it wrong. Which is strange, I thought I had made myself pretty clear.WW, are you ignoring my pledge?
I had read it as we should come up with stuff or pledge to sheep you. I'm taking the former.
So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:/pledge
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
I trust faust as IC, and it seems like his reads are better than mine right now.
I'm just a town with some mildly funny flavor text actually.Tell me about your flavor text.
His D1 reads were better than mine.I trust faust as IC, and it seems like his reads are better than mine right now.
The reads he's not sharing?
His D1 reads were better than mine.I trust faust as IC, and it seems like his reads are better than mine right now.
The reads he's not sharing?
Mostly because I was sure he was scum.
My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust. Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's.
Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust. That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.
My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust. Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's.
Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust. That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.
Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.
Lynch list:Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on him, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Or maybe:
Why would Silverspawn be killed?
he had a sort of a habit of snarking at/refuting that spaceguy summed here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg635596#msg635596)whoops, that was supposed to be this link (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg635279#msg635279)
My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust. Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's....since only 6 people know the alignment of 2 people, and a certain 3 people know the alignment of everybody. it's not about information, it's about, ceteris paribus and nothing particularly compelling against any certain person, we agree to sheep the person who cannot have any ulterior motives (esp. because now it is especially easy for scum to form a majority). faust, incidentally, seems to be a fortunate person for this position.
Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.i'm so town that even if i were scum i wouldn't lynch anyone.
If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?
igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business
Pretty sure he's said things like this before.igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business
i would be inclined to believe youPretty sure he's said things like this before.igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business
So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.
@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?
So I have a question for Faust. Were you trying to intentionally play scummy D1, or did it just come across that way?I tried to play differently in hopes of not being nightkilled. I don't think it was scummy.
you are the person with a quality@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?
Why do you ask me?
@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?
Why do you ask me?
I read it. That's all you need to know. Now, I would rather you create interactions with each other than interact with me.@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?
Why do you ask me?
Because it's generally being ignored as far as I can tell. I don't know if that's because my reasoning is silly, or because people are just more interested in other bits of the conversation. If it's the former and you say so, I'm more likely to believe it's not worth pursuing, because your IC status means I expect you not to have a hidden agenda. Also, if nobody's really noticing it and then I die, this way at least I know someone's read it.
I want the people voting for Joseph to explain themselves.
Anyone feel
Vote: Iguana ?
Why did you post this?Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight
My favourite ice-cream is honeycomb
Guys, you caught me.
I'm the SK again
Yay the forum is back.Faust wagon:
Vote: fds for trying to hold up this game and inhibit discussion. Obvious scum tell.
Let's start a good wagon:
Vote: faust
I believe it does.Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
I have reasons, but since you asked mail-mi, I'll let him respond first.
Lynch list:
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on them, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Is this silence because I'm in another timezone or because noone has nothing to say? Deadline is close, we need to decide somethingBoth.
I agree, we need to do something.
I suggested things, it's just people didn't like them.
My preference for these 3 wagons is:
(Most wanted first)
faust
Mail-mi
JReggie
Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.Normally faust is different to this.Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
I don't like going after RR D1, for similar but opposite reasons that I don't like going after Faust. At least, not today. He gets a D1 pass from me.I don't like D1 lynching RR again.
Worth noting: a majority (7) isn't needed to lynch.
The person with most votes at deadline dies.
Vote: mail-mi
Faust isn't happening, and I really think JReggie is town.
More so than mail-mi
Also, this tells us a little about the setup (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg353797#msg353797).
Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
Oh. In which case there would be 2 Masons (the one randomly chosen & the UB). Course.Also, this tells us a little about the setup (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg353797#msg353797).
Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
I think you don't understand the setup.
Why? Isn't he right?
No. It's impossible to have only one Mason. What good is that? If one m were rolled, the ub would convert to a Mason.
also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly. if somebody did doctor, any speculations on who was saved? all things considered, the very likely candidate is faust; as i mentioned, they seemed maybe not scummy but definitely like they knew something, and scum may have presumed that to mean they were masons. in which case, silverspawn also assumed that they knew—this (following) post makes more sense with that in mind.I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.
There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
Correction:
There's no SK in the setup.
There might be a vigilante though, who would be able to kill.
Apart from that, 1 death per night, which could be stopped by a doctor.
Unless mafia use strongman ability, which nulls the doctor effect.
Really, because I'm not.
i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
If you were scum, you would have asked your "Do 2 people die at night?" question in the mafia QT, rather than here.
Yes it's a real term.that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...thank you
there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
having read the rules, it says that dead players can't post anywhere except in their role qt. can ss still say stuff in the mason qt? that seems like it would be kinda sillyNo dead masons can't post in the QT.
also, for the life of me i can't find where the rules might say how many people die each night.
So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:/pledge
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
Although hopefully we'll have more meaningful discussion than just sheep the IC
Lynch list:Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on him, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight
Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.
If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?
the several things that you say are strange don't seem especially strange to me.
rules clarifications are fine, why do people care about rules clarifications? their only bad thing is that they're not a better contribution to town. and well, it would seem like he's trying to make up for that with a read list.
rr (hasn't bitten in the strategy/analysis of the board like the rest of us fish and has otherwise not really said much that i can remember, which is especially odd considering this post)butts, another correction, i meant to link this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg636025#msg636025)
I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?yeah, actually, now that i think about it he seems kinda yucky. his posts consisted of a lot of inane comments/descriptions of what was going on that sorta gives me the sense of "i feel like i'm supposed to be saying stuff" rather than "i want to push the game in motion."
(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)
i'm thinking something along the lines of:(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)
I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.
So are you saying that happened?no. it is an abstraction of the thing that i'm worried about could happen if i voted joseph right now. that would maybe not happen if i didn't
So are you saying that happened?no. it is an abstraction of the thing that i'm worried about could happen if i voted joseph right now. that would maybe not happen if i didn't
So what do you think scum did during yesterday's mislynch?probably voted for mail-mi, and ~manipulated~ other people into it. but, i mean, faust and silverspawn were on that boat, so probably not all three of the scums needed to be egging that basket, or something. and that checks out: two of the people in my kinda tier voted for him (you and joseph, though the fact that joseph is the one whom i'm worried about accidentally complicitly killing clouds things a bit).
Scum doesn't have day chat, so couldn't discuss this in-game.i'm thinking something along the lines of:(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)
I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.
me: vote on guy
scum1: vote on guy! yes!
scum2: ooh good yes! how about hammer, eh? discussion!?
scum1, scum3 in unison: yes, discussion! okay
scum2: alright. allow me to hammer now that we have discussioned
me (none the wiser): oh no, 'twas an innocent!
...if that makes sense
I didn't really want to vote for him, but he seemed like the least bad wagon.So what do you think scum did during yesterday's mislynch?probably voted for mail-mi, and ~manipulated~ other people into it. but, i mean, faust and silverspawn were on that boat, so probably not all three of the scums needed to be egging that basket, or something. and that checks out: two of the people in my kinda tier voted for him (you and joseph, though the fact that joseph is the one whom i'm worried about accidentally complicitly killing clouds things a bit).
so, socrates, what's your scoop? corrupted any children lately, like, for example, rr, in your mafia qt? does it smell bad cop in here or is it just me? etc.
Schadd townslips again and againEither he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!town
This is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.Scum doesn't have day chat, so couldn't discuss this in-game.i'm thinking something along the lines of:(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)
I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.
me: vote on guy
scum1: vote on guy! yes!
scum2: ooh good yes! how about hammer, eh? discussion!?
scum1, scum3 in unison: yes, discussion! okay
scum2: alright. allow me to hammer now that we have discussioned
me (none the wiser): oh no, 'twas an innocent!
...if that makes sense
Another townslip it seems.
vous have my permission to not point these out anymoreSchadd townslips again and againEither he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!town
This is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.perhaps. at least, the thing i theorized shouldn't need a daychat to work
vous have my permission to not point these out anymoreSchadd townslips again and againEither he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!townThis is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.perhaps. at least, the thing i theorized shouldn't need a daychat to work
the point has been hammered into the ground. if i'm indeed being coached by my scumfriends (which seems to be the main concern?) then this is a bottomless well of town points. save it for when i'm about to be lynched at least.vous have my permission to not point these out anymoreSchadd townslips again and againEither he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!townThis is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.perhaps. at least, the thing i theorized shouldn't need a daychat to work
Why wouldn't you want him to point them out anymore?
My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.You're wrong.
My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
the point has been hammered into the ground. if i'm indeed being coached by my scumfriends (which seems to be the main concern?) then this is a bottomless well of town points. save it for when i'm about to be lynched at least.vous have my permission to not point these out anymoreSchadd townslips again and againEither he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!townThis is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.perhaps. at least, the thing i theorized shouldn't need a daychat to work
Why wouldn't you want him to point them out anymore?
(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)
I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.
Day 1 Final Vote Count:
J Reggie (3): iguanaiguana, schadd, LaLight
mail-mi (7): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi
Not Voting (1): RR
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Hm, that's not a bad point.
Except why are you assuming J Reggie is town?
Eh you look townie to me anyway. You also seem like you would be terribly difficult to coach, because you have a very distinct style, and it seems like stuff that you were coached from would clearly not be from you if that makes sense.yabba dabba doo.
[/size]My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
Eh you look townie to me anyway. You also seem like you would be terribly difficult to coach, because you have a very distinct style, and it seems like stuff that you were coached from would clearly not be from you if that makes sense.yabba dabba doo.
mail-mi's dying words (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg636984#msg636984) were pretty cool. i dunno what they necessarily offer (j reggie and gkrieg now seem 10% townier than the rest of us, i guess).[/size]My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
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you worded that so much like a politician that it makes me wanna vote for you. what sorts of things have other people said in the past as they were in front of the crosshairs of a lynchgun?
since my earlier position was nebulous, how about, i will vote for joseph tomorrow if he's still at 3. until then, i would still urge people to consider roadrunner. he is just not doing anything
uff. that was supposed to be (i've had this problem before (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15947.0)):My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
you worded that so much like a politician that it makes me wanna vote for you. what sorts of things have other people said in the past as they were in front of the crosshairs of a lynchgun?
since my earlier position was nebulous, how about, i will vote for joseph tomorrow if he's still at 3. until then, i would still urge people to consider roadrunner. he is just not doing anything
you worded that so much like a politician that it makes me wanna vote for you. what sorts of things have other people said in the past as they were in front of the crosshairs of a lynchgun?My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?
Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?
Hm, that's not a bad point.
Except why are you assuming J Reggie is town?
You should assume I'm town because I am.
Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?
Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?
Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?
Yeah, mostly just very honest since I don't have anything more subtle in my arsenal. Kinda bummed that my best scum read from D1 turned out to have been telling the truth about being VT, and confused about it having been fine for him to come out as a VT at that stage anyway. I was trying so hard not to be driven by delayed OMGUS reaction over the way the BSG game went, but maybe the scums picked a good wagon for that very reason. Or maybe I made it a good wagon by making actual cases :-/
I think this game lacks the drama of BSG, and therefore isn't driving people to be as invested in it as other games at the moment. I'm a bit guilty of feeling like that, which is probably why I leave this game till last and end up posting in it when I'm tired. Controversially, I also think a bit of fluff makes it easier for people to talk and get engaged too, and there was nice fluff here till fluff analysis became too much of a thing. Anyway, if a wagon on me makes for some interesting times, then I can offer to claim at L-1 or Intent or something? It will be fun to see who tries to say I'm being scummy, anyway.
And still noone hasn't told me about Joseph's meta.
Fun fact: Gkrieg was only voted once this game, by me during RVS.
Fun fact: Gkrieg was only voted once this game, by me during RVS.
So that means I need to vote you now, seeing as you are the only person I can OMGUS?
It's the one that shall not be named.And still noone hasn't told me about Joseph's meta.
Gets lynched a lot. Always scummy; I don't remember which games he was scum in.
Why a vote on WW?Because I think he's scummy.
Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)
Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.
Also, why is RR so quiet?
I should possibly talk about the game more.
I feel like this the sort of self-conscious segue that got me scumread elsewhere :-(LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
I felt like WW definitely has confidence, and a slightly sarcastic attitude at times, with things like the "So there are like six scum?" comment in #259. There's a fair bit of answering questions with questions, especially things like "So you understand everyone else's play?" (at #87)... that stuff was my reason for voting WW, at least. I don't really know what's going on in D1 anyway :-P
My reads are problematically mostly null or very mild, but here there are anyway.
Witherweaver -- Null (still overconfident/sarky, though!)
LaLight -- Still very newbie!town.
silverspawn -- Null.. He has a lot of short posts I can't really get my teeth into.
gkrieg13 -- Mild town (and I have sympathy with him having put this on the back burner spend time trying to win BSG, even though he actually killed me!)
faust -- Null so far, leaning mild town.
Roadrunner7671 -- I don't even know.
Joseph2302 -- Mild town
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- Null. Some bits of him seem scummy, but other bits seem quite towny.
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
iguanaiguana -- Towny.
mail-mi -- Mild scum. I did just come from a game where he was scum, and he seems really similar.
There are newbies in the game, so the little bit of fluff earlier was really welcome as far as I'm concerned, because it's too hard to engage with the rest of you discussing people's meta when I haven't quite formed my own opinion of most people here. I don't think interacting with people is a bad thing to encourage to make sure stuff keeps happening in D1.
@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?
I'm going to vote: Mail-mi because mild scum is the best I've come up with, and my other scumread is a newbie.
Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.
Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive, which makes me lean a bit more scum-wards on him than my reads yesterday.
@Iguana: what are your reasons for thinking that Mail-mi is a town? I feel like he's at least a bit scummy.
where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.
Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...thank you
there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
The term is certainly something that I've seen talked about around here, and your post didn't give me the impression you were overtly attempting to coin a new term.
What do the rest of you think about it?
Yay, the forum is back!! This is what I was trying to post last night when it died...So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
/semi-pledge :-) If you decide I should die, I'm probably not going to want to vote for myself, and since I'm under some suspicion just now, I feel it's not such an edge case. I'd also like to keep the right to using my own brain to do re-reads and form conclusions of my own.
I like the point that gkrieg/schadd have made that while you have the clearest town motives of any of us, you also have less information. I know you also have a great reputation for being good at this game, so obviously your thoughts deserve an audience, but you can't be right all the time with so little information out there, so I think there's room for a contrary newbie :-) I mean no offence.. this is coming from a place of having been mislynched by a much more experienced player who wouldn't listen to my arguments and cases in the previous game, and town having lost because I just couldn't get through to him.
Here's my D2 list of everyone so far... I'm not the world's best skim-reader, but I tried to re-read all the relevant people enough to get a proper impression.
Witherweaver -- Maybe scummy? The snarky stuff from D1, plus being towards the end of the Mail-mi wagon.
LaLight -- Townie.
silverspawn -- Town and Dead :-(
gkrieg13 -- Null, verging on mild town. Makes some good points, but I feel like I'm not getting as much townie vibe as I'd like alongside.
faust -- IC
Roadrunner7671 -- Still barely there.
Joseph2302 -- Mild scum. Defending schadd one too many times, possibly. Why re-post his D1 reads twice? I could believe he's genuinely short on time, I guess.
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- A bit similiar to gkrieg, really.
schadd -- Townslipping or maybe scumslipping or something. I'm suspicious, but not confident enough to vote without more experienced people weighing in.
iguanaiguana -- What happened there? At least he's still around sort of!
mail-mi -- Dead and Town. Though I thought I had good reason to be suspicious in D1.
Let's go with vote: WW for now, since I get less town vibe from him than I do from gkrieg/JReggie, and those three are the onces from Mail-mi's wagon who are most likely to be scum.
Why a vote on WW?Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.
Why a vote on WW?Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.
I wasn't doing any fighting!! I asked for someone to explain it to me because I didn't see it at all. It was an invitation for someone who read him as scummy to make a case I could really follow, because still he doesn't read as especially scummy to me. I'm aware that could just be some kind of unconscious bias in favour of his tone or something (kinda like you thinking I just sound scummy?), so I'd like to hear other arguments.Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.
Fights against the J Reggie wagon.
where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.
Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.
Sort of a delayed OMGUS between games. I can see it clouding town!SA's judgement as well though.
Other reads list. Interesting that not a lot has changed. Still wants to vote for WW, for something that he did earlier in the game.The Mail-mi wagon has a lot to do with it, too. The three suspicious people are WW, you, and J Reggie, if I assume that at least one scum was on the wagon. I'm not really seeing the argument on J Reggie, and I feel like you're doing the right sort of stuff, even though I'm not the right target, so that leaves WW as the most suspicious. I'll be interested to see your reads on those two once you've done them, though.
I wasn't doing any fighting!! I asked for someone to explain it to me because I didn't see it at all. It was an invitation for someone who read him as scummy to make a case I could really follow, because still he doesn't read as especially scummy to me. I'm aware that could just be some kind of unconscious bias in favour of his tone or something (kinda like you thinking I just sound scummy?), so I'd like to hear other arguments.Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.
Fights against the J Reggie wagon.where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.
Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.
Sort of a delayed OMGUS between games. I can see it clouding town!SA's judgement as well though.
And also, an absolutely solid argument on my part because he did complain about exactly the same thing in BSGt... so for him to contradict that here made him look really scummy to me! He openly admitted I was right in post #609, but you conveniently forgot to quote that part.Other reads list. Interesting that not a lot has changed. Still wants to vote for WW, for something that he did earlier in the game.The Mail-mi wagon has a lot to do with it, too. The three suspicious people are WW, you, and J Reggie, if I assume that at least one scum was on the wagon. I'm not really seeing the argument on J Reggie, and I feel like you're doing the right sort of stuff, even though I'm not the right target, so that leaves WW as the most suspicious. I'll be interested to see your reads on those two once you've done them, though.
I meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wiseyou're one to talk.
Vire
Vote: WW
This would be a dumb lynch.why is that? (how does that feel?)
everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff
so, uh, vote: mail-mi
also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend
Not bad at all.
I'd support a flavor claim
that's good regarding the whole lynching me concern that i expressedsomething that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not meAlso, why is RR so quiet?What do you want me to say?
This guy. I like him.
Well I might lynch you, but I'll feel sad over it.
If you're going to vote me because I'm sarcastic, you're gonna have a bad time.
I should possibly talk about the game more.
LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him
Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum? It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.
I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?
There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly. I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question. It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch.
I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise.
Actually, I don't think fluffy Faust is generally scummy Faust. More the opposite.
I don't want to lynch Faust.. probably not Iguana. Probably not Schadd. Think I'd go for anyone else. I don't really remember what made me think J Reggie was scummy, but I trust six-day-ago me. He's a smart guy.
I'm happy lynching either Mail-Mi or J Reggie.
12. mail-mi - scummy. would lynch
Why is Mail-Mi scummy?
I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.
Sure I guess I'm okay with either
Vote: Mail-Mi
is probably L-1
I think it's fairly likely that the wagons the last day were all on town.
The top suspects for today are iguana, Joseph, Space-A.
Gut says Space is the place.
And I wouldn't really pledge such a thing anyway. Though there is a decent chance I'd end up voting with you.
Anyone feel
Vote: Iguana ?
I reread RR, that was a productive 17 seconds. Said nothing D1. Is lynchworthy.
I expected to find Space scummy, but didn't really when I reread. Posts feel somewhat honest, not really constructed.
Fun fact: Gkrieg was only voted once this game, by me during RVS.
So that means I need to vote you now, seeing as you are the only person I can OMGUS?
Sounds good
Vote: Gkrieg
Why a vote on WW?Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.
Why would you be reasonably sure of that? I"m not even reasonably sure, and I'm voting Gkrieg.
Yeah, I know. But it's scummy coming from WWI meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wiseyou're one to talk.
Vire
Vote: WWThis would be a dumb lynch.why is that? (how does that feel?)
He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammerThis is the worst reason ever to vote for someone.
also, I believe faust here. I /pledged. but i really want to listen to WW.The pledge is only for the last 12 hours of the day. Before that, you're not supposed to turn your brain on standby.
also, I believe faust here. I /pledged. but i really want to listen to WW.The pledge is only for the last 12 hours of the day. Before that, you're not supposed to turn your brain on standby.
well. As I've told earlier couple of times WW is practically impossibe for me to read. He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammerHe's only on L-2, according to the vote count
well. As I've told earlier couple of times WW is practically impossibe for me to read. He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammerHe's only on L-2, according to the vote count
well. As I've told earlier couple of times WW is practically impossibe for me to read. He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammerHe's only on L-2, according to the vote count
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My reasons for not liking J Reggie on Day 1 related to the other, still ongoing game. I still shouldn't say much about it, since that game is still ongoing.
The only thing that really abated them somewhat was his reaction to almost getting lynched.
This is just an interesting vote. It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.
More things I don't understand. Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?
QuoteThis is just an interesting vote. It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.
Are you implying that you think Iguana is town?QuoteMore things I don't understand. Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?
You or I scum is equivalent to You scum, of which I am not sure.
QuoteThis is just an interesting vote. It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.
Are you implying that you think Iguana is town?QuoteMore things I don't understand. Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?
You or I scum is equivalent to You scum, of which I am not sure.
I think he is on the townier side. And I also want to lynch out of the mislynch people.
Interesting.
So to sum up:
I think WW or gkrieg is scum
WW is voting gkrieg
Gkrieg thinks WW is town
Makes me think I was right, WW is scum
QuoteThis is just an interesting vote. It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.
Are you implying that you think Iguana is town?QuoteMore things I don't understand. Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?
You or I scum is equivalent to You scum, of which I am not sure.
I think he is on the townier side. And I also want to lynch out of the mislynch people.
On the surface that makes sense, but:
J Reggie (3): iguanaiguana, schadd, LaLight
mail-mi (7): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi
Not Voting (1): RR
On-Wagon: J Reggie, Space, Gkrieg, Joseph, Witherweaver
Off-Wagon: Iguana, Schadd, LaLight, RR
Didn't list Faust as he's an IC, Silver and Mail-Mi dead. So even for someone in the on-wagon list, there's as many possible scum off wagon as on wagon. Actually people on the off-wagon list have a better chance (ignoring reads) than those on-wagon, removing themselves from the pool.
Oh, yeah, I also found this on-wagon thing a little questionable, in particular how people suddenly started reducing the lynch pool.
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My reasons for not liking J Reggie on Day 1 related to the other, still ongoing game. I still shouldn't say much about it, since that game is still ongoing.
The only thing that really abated them somewhat was his reaction to almost getting lynched.
I don't like him being pretty silent D2 compared to D1 also.
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My reasons for not liking J Reggie on Day 1 related to the other, still ongoing game. I still shouldn't say much about it, since that game is still ongoing.
The only thing that really abated them somewhat was his reaction to almost getting lynched.
My reasons for being different from said ongoing game have to do with that game, so obviously this is a case you can't make and I can't defend myself. So maybe let's use stuff that has to do with this game. In which case you should find no reasons to vote for me.
Lalight is coming off scummy here.
Lalight is coming off scummy here.Why?
Because of this conversation, it looks like you are more likely to be scumLalight is coming off scummy here.
so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
erm.. I just can't understand the meaning of the wordBecause of this conversation, it looks like you are more likely to be scumLalight is coming off scummy here.
so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
erm.. I just can't understand the meaning of the wordBecause of this conversation, it looks like you are more likely to be scumLalight is coming off scummy here.
so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
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"comes off" can have the connotation "give the impression as a result or byproduct".
E.g., a guy trying really hard to pick up a girl could come off as desperate.
I voted Gkrieg after rereading, for similar reasons that I voted Iguana. The Day 1 posts of both have a little bit of forced nonchalantness, something in particular scum tries to emulates.
Gkrieg is present Day 1 without ever doing a whole lot. A decent amount of criticizing/pseudodefending cases and not really making his own. Also the thing on Mail-Mi (which was his first active thing on D1)... putting at L-1, saying it wasn't the expected reaction. It's not like that can't be townie, but it felt a little forced, as if he was planning to not find Mail-Mi lynchworthy. (A hammer would have looked bad, but doing something regarding the wagon that does not result in a mislynch looks good.) Rest of day is similar; he comes back at the end to go for Mail-Mi, though prefers Faust.
Iguana has an overly 'I'm playing this game really cool and loose, guys' attitude. Lots of gratuitous punctuation. Pretty involved with the game, is pretty confident with his case on J Reggie.. reminds me of classical high-content scum, like how I played in my earlier scum games (maybe X-Men). I'm not so sure Iguana would play that way scum, though.
In both cases, I was curious to see if anything would result from voting, though they were both pretty much ignored. Saying more stuff may have been better, there.
And what do you mean by "the right stuff"?
And if you don't see the "argument" on J Reggie, why is the nonargument on me okay?
And what do you mean by "the right stuff"?
And if you don't see the "argument" on J Reggie, why is the nonargument on me okay?
"The right stuff" as town means looking for scums, trying to lynch them, and generally posting opinions on stuff. J Reggie seems to be doing that, and he's not really pinging any warnings for me. I mean, I'm inexperienced and probably quite misleadable still, and I'll certainly keep re-evaluating my beliefs, but right now he looks townie to me.
On the other hand, I still feel like you're more scummy. Your attitude seems to be to challenge people rather than to work with them, and your overconfidence makes me worry that you know too much.
What's a c?
Vote: shaddWhat's a c?
It's a letter. He wrote shadd
Guys LaLight is a cool guy. And he seems easy to read honestly. Like a less crazy Seprix. So let's not lynch him!
also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"Yeah that's not how it works. We all go to random.org and put everyone's name is. The first four names are scum reads. Then, you find evidence to back those scum reads and share them with the class
No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!
If personal media was allowed, I'd probably give you a 6 or 7 minute recording of me sighing.No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!
No, but we could claim our favorite ice cream or something.
What's your favorite ice cream J Reggie?
I just caught up and everything went in one ear and out the other.
The fact that I have less time means I'm going to form my own opinions and probably stopvotingsheeping.
Ugh. I can't believe WW is towny in my book because of that.
I'll answer that when my sister decides that the Thundermans actually is a stupid show and gets off the computer.Get her to join Forum Mafia!
That wagon picked up awfully quickly!
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummyThat wagon picked up awfully quickly!
Care to join?
The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?
Also, why is RR so quiet?What do you want me to say?
This game seems like typical D1 shenanigans, except more so than usual. I've managed to distance myself from that (I think) but that comes at the cost of contributing little to no content.
When it comes to reads, I will do some sort of reads list but at this point I have null reads and towny reads. I don't read scum on anyone
Huh...that is interestingWhen everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.
This is actually an interesting point. If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
I haven't really thought about this game enough to make effective reads. I've read everything, but I really haven't absorbed the information, you know? So I'm just waiting for D2
I thought Faust was a good scum player though. Would he be this fluffy as scum? The only argument I can really think of is that he probably wouldn't be this fluffy as town, so that's something.
Huh. Actually I think I like the wagon. If there still is a wagon. Faust might be a PR though.
Anyway,(http://[b]Vote: Faust[/b])I misclicked twice trying to bold that so it might not count but whatever
Vote: Faust
I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
Do what?I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
You always do this : (
Hold on, buster! This time I didn't realize that my vote mattered or that we're close to the deadline!Do what?I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
You always do this : (
Unvote close to the deadline when you notice that your vote actually matters.
Ha we lost that game though
It's basically quicklynching someone who can't defend thenselvesI wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T
if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.
I don't know what is CfD. Wagon?
It's not that easy. I wish it wasThere's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.i am glad that you answered but you should've waited so that someone else could say "no, we can only kill one person a night"
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
Okay, this isn't happening but I wanted to ask because I noticed myself doing it with mail-mi in Olympics Mafia.
Is it unethical to use information from other, non-mafia threads? Like if Adrian and tristan suddenly started agreeing in RSP and they were both in this game could someone present that as evidence for a case?
/tentative pledge
Forum downtime is trash
I meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wise
Vire
Vote: WW
Yeah, I know. But it's scummy coming from WWI meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wiseyou're one to talk.
Vire
Vote: WWThis would be a dumb lynch.why is that? (how does that feel?)
Because of this conversation, it looks like you are more likely to be scumLalight is coming off scummy here.
so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
Yay the forum is back.I liked this, and felt like it was townie, but I guess by rights it should be a null.
Vote: fds for trying to hold up this game and inhibit discussion. Obvious scum tell.
Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).He had town on Mail-mi at this point, so that's townie I guess.
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.
Yeah, okay, I could vote for Joseph if it came down to it, especially if faust were to assert that he's a good target. If he flips scum, I'd also want to look more closely at schadd.I have faith that you can figure out a good target for your vote all by yourself.
Yeah, okay, I could vote for Joseph if it came down to it, especially if faust were to assert that he's a good target. If he flips scum, I'd also want to look more closely at schadd.I have faith that you can figure out a good target for your vote all by yourself.
RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RRDo you think J Reggie is scum?
RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RRDo you think J Reggie is scum?
But if you think it was two town wagons, then why do you seem to give town points for being off wagon?RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RRDo you think J Reggie is scum?
I think it is less likely than SA and Joseph. Partially because of how the wagons went D1. It seemed like two town wagons.
But if you think it was two town wagons, then why do you seem to give town points for being off wagon?RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RRDo you think J Reggie is scum?
I think it is less likely than SA and Joseph. Partially because of how the wagons went D1. It seemed like two town wagons.
If he flips scum, I'd also want to look more closely at schadd.i got nothin to hide babeeee
This is a compilation of every post RR has made so far:there is really not a lot there. a good bit of it is language/rules clarification and also some stuff that's fluff, but fluff about the game, such that it gives the impression that he's trying not to seem distracting.
I thought Faust was a good scum player though. Would he be this fluffy as scum? The only argument I can really think of is that he probably wouldn't be this fluffy as town, so that's something.he was correct about faust having a pr, and i'm wondering why that is—i theorized earlier that the scums figured he and silverspawn were masons, and that to the rest of us they just seemed scummy. so how was rr able to differentiate that?
Huh. Actually I think I like the wagon. If there still is a wagon. Faust might be a PR though.
Anyway,
(http://[b]vote:%20Faust[/b])I misclicked twice trying to bold that so it might not count but whatever
Lalight is coming off scummy here.Why?
Is this Schadd's first ever forum Mafia game, anywhere?anywhere
I love it when I just get voted for 3 times in a row by people who don't justify their vote at alloops, you must have missed the part where i justified my vote at all
Looks like WW and RR are where it's at right now. I'll reread both when I have the time. All these new dominion cards are making it so that I come to f.ds for things other than mafia.
So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.
And WW is voting me for trying to be towny as town for once, which is too bad. I'd think it'd be pro town to act like your alignment.
Hmm.. this could be a deflection, if he's scum and knows that the other scums are at the less experienced end of the spectrum. After all, it's pretty hard for anyone to know anything for sure in D1. But I don't actually have enough different D1 experiences to know for sure what to expect the distribution to look like.When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.
This is actually an interesting point. If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
Maybe I should just do something dumb; when I don't people think I'm not contributing enough.I could take this at face value, really. I guess it could look scummy to people who're feeling less charitable?
Yeah, his posting rate here has dropped right down, but being busy in itself isn't a reason for us to be suspicious of people.I don't like him being pretty silent D2 compared to D1 also.
I'm aware of that. I've been pretty busy, but I'll try to get back into this game.
Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.
8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,
Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6
So this is right before lylo
Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.
8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,
Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6
So this is right before lylo
We have 10 people left from a 12-person game, so it's currently 7 v 3, and the worst case for tomorrow is 5 v 3.
Though:
a) Let's not mislynch!
b) We could have one or more vigs to help out with killing scums.
c) We could have one or more doctors to avoid definite night deaths.
d) We could have cops to help us out with night-time info, making LYLO less of a panic.
So even though the numbers are worse than you said, I don't think it's quite as hopeless as you might've been implying.
I've just noticed that the setup would allow for two full vigs and a one-shot vig. So actually, the very worst case we could have for D3 would be if they're all in the game and they all kill different townspeople, at which point we'd have just two town left and three scums. But that's a bit of a corner case :-P
Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.
8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,
Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6
So this is right before lylo
Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?gkreig, space ace, uh. lalight, maybe? he seemed too confident at some point about ss and mail-mi being town (the latter of which he totally doubled back on once it seemed to be rolling). j-reggie? in a sort of -1-rolls-back-to-255 sort of way
I'm done playing this game. I'll sheep silver until LyLo including on myself. Otherwise just checking in once a day to post.
Well ii is probably town. I think he looks different as fed up scum.
I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.Voooootee: faust
So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
/pledge I think. You're experienced and IC.
My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust. Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's.
Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust. That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.
Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.
inb4 "gkrieg why haven't you reread and given reads"
I'll do it later today. I have class in a few minutes
igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business
Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.
I mean he has grown scummier today. He seems a lot more calculated like he was the last time he was scum and we almost mislynched Seprix over him.
Anyone feel
Vote: Iguana ?
Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.
Why do you say that?
I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?
Gkrieg and Iguana read very similar in tone on Day 1.
The scum!LaLight theoroy + a few other commentsSo, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
/pledge I think. You're experienced and IC.
I think scum!LaLight appeases Faust here because he thinks that's how not to get lynched. Town!LaLight may be more hesitant, wanting to think for himself. So scummy on being the first to agree to this (Ofcourse I a priori agreed to the plan, but I now retract everything out of stubbornness so...)My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust. Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's.
Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust. That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.
Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.
The elaboration I think proves the scummy reason I had supposed.inb4 "gkrieg why haven't you reread and given reads"
I'll do it later today. I have class in a few minutes
Gkrieg's arguments here are towny. I played 1 scum game with Gkrieg and found him to be very different from here. Much more careful, even a little mechanical, in how he crafted things. This seems a lot more like him as town.igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business
It is never enjoyable to drink at night and wake up to find Faust claiming masons. This is not alignment indicative behavior for me. ::)Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.
I mean he has grown scummier today. He seems a lot more calculated like he was the last time he was scum and we almost mislynched Seprix over him.
Still agree. Hard to get a wagon going on him too, that's a major factor.Anyone feel
Vote: Iguana ?
Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.Why do you say that?
It's easy to say things that are true without giving reasons when you know everyone's alignment. More scum on LaLight.I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?
In light of the flips particularly, Joseph objectively looks scummiest D1. The only townie thing about him is that he acknowledge how bad he looks rather than trying to explain it away. But that is WIFOM dependent, so doesn't sway my opinion much.Gkrieg and Iguana read very similar in tone on Day 1.
Great minds think alike. Maybe we are masons :P
.........aaaaaaaaaand I have to go to work. Reread stops here for today.
I think scum!LaLight appeases Faust here because he thinks that's how not to get lynched. Town!LaLight may be more hesitant, wanting to think for himself. So scummy on being the first to agree to this (Ofcourse I a priori agreed to the plan, but I now retract everything out of stubbornness so...)
My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust. Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's.
Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust. That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.
The elaboration I think proves the scummy reason I had supposed.
Anyone feel
Vote: Iguana ?
Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.
It's easy to say things that are true without giving reasons when you know everyone's alignment. More scum on LaLight.
???I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.Voooootee: faust
Request: Voooootee count
How can i know everyone's alignment?he is insinuating that you are scum. that's also what i was getting at earlier:
lalight, maybe? he seemed too confident at some point about ss and mail-mi being town (the latter of which he totally doubled back on once it seemed to be rolling).
I wanted to vote , but voting for the IC is bad.???I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.Voooootee: faust
Request: Voooootee count
Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
I didn't do this either.Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
Sorry I hadn't done this yet! I think gkrieg and J Reggie are up there. I'm still leaning very townie on LaLight, but I fear that I may have a bit of a blind spot there because often his thought processes seem to be quite similar to mine. I read him as town with a lot of caution attached. In case that's not good enough for your purposes in this exercise, I also think that Iguana has come back feeling a lot more townie than when he went away.
I love it when I just get voted for 3 times in a row by people who don't justify their vote at all
Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
Probably schadd, LaLight, and iguana
Gkrieg and Iguana for sure. I think, third is RR
Gkrieg and Iguana for sure. I think, third is RR
Why Roadrunner?
OKAY, I am DONE READING FOR THE FIRST TIME.
HUMANS (That's you!), I am on LITERALLY EVERYONE'S town list! (except perhaps Faust). So! If you are a TOWN, help me figure out the scums, so we can lynchify them. Let's do it. Let's go. Boom. C'mon.
Request Prod on J Reggie
Request Prod on Gkrieg
Request Prod on LaLight
Request Prod on SpaceAnemone
Request Prod on Joseph2302
Request Prod on Roadrunner
Request Prod on Witherweaver
Request Prod on Schadd
I leave it to the mod to determine who has been inactive enough to be proddable.
(PPE: I guess not LaLight)
Vote: LaLight
I dreamed a dream where you were lynched.
Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
Probably schadd, LaLight, and iguana
Why town on LaLight?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
So we go for Roadrunner?
Ugh
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
So we go for Roadrunner?
Ugh
It just always scares me when the lynchpool is the two most commonly mislynched players : /
It just always scares me when the lynchpool is the two most commonly mislynched players : /
Agreed. I'm also always up to lynch Joseph's partner SA first.
Here's what I remember:
Gkrieg has towny rereads. Still my top town.
Gkrieg's reread of WW that he calls "null" reads as scummy to me.
But just after that WW produces some very towny content and the mid-day wagon on him made me feel town on WW overall.
Lalight's intent to hammer on WW and Roadrunner's sheep vote on WW both read as super scummy to me.
Lalight has a lot of posts where he indicates that he trusts other people's opinion's more than his own opinions, or that he is waiting for someone else to say something about another player (like WW) in order to form an opinion of that player. These seem to indicate a scum frame of mind to me because a) town trust themselves over other players for the most part (not knowing who else is town) and b) scum are trying to appease town while staying on a mislynch, so they are always waiting for a plausible but incorrect theory to add their vote onto.
In other words, LaLight is basically not scum hunting at all, seems like he already knows who the scum are.
Roadrunner has one towny post, where he asks if using posts from the RSP forum would constitute cheating. I wonder whether that question occurs to him as scum. However, his other posts are either null or scummy, and I actually happen to remember that he's asked that very same question in the past, so I'm leaning scum on him now I GUESS. (I hate to vote RR.)
so my new scum list might be: Lalight, Joseph, RR where J Reggie and WW slipped into null and my towns are Faust > II > Schadd > Space ...............................and who am I forgetting?
Roadrunner7671 - there is nothing and still noone bothered to vote for him until I pointed out that he did not do anything. That dynamic also leads me to believe that he is scum.
I would do LaLight, too.
Vote Count 2.7:
Joseph2302 (1): LaLight
Witherweaver (4): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671, J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (4): schadd, Witherweaver, gkrieg13, iguana
Not Voting (1): faust
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on September 28 at 4:00 a.m. forum time.
Pretty sure that was a scum claim. So, well done, town, even if you all were a bit quiet.
Any modification to your last reads list?
Yes.Pretty sure that was a scum claim. So, well done, town, even if you all were a bit quiet.
I don't get what that first part means. Are you saying that only scum would claim that?
Any modification to your last reads list?
Well uh nothing much happened in between. If RR indeed flips scum, then that mostly reinforces my reads. Probably you will be townier for it.
Any modification to your last reads list?
Well uh nothing much happened in between. If RR indeed flips scum, then that mostly reinforces my reads. Probably you will be townier for it.
And what do you think if he flips town? Say, who are top scummy two or three.
Mass claim could possibly be good.
There is no way that Faust could have fakeclaimed with this setup, right?
We don't massclaim.
Vote: WW
We don't massclaim.
Vote: WW
Help us how?We don't massclaim.
Vote: WW
Why? I never massclaimed before but I think here it should help us?
There is no way that Faust could have fakeclaimed with this setup, right?
Excuse me I don't follow.
Why should faust fakeclaim? Why did you vote Space? You got to know something this night?
Rhethorical question: Why did RR not use his 1-shot?
I think we have either doctor or Roleblocker here. So we have Masons, 1-shot Cop, Doctor/RB (1-shot maybe?). That's many PRs.
I'm /in for massclaim.
Also question to mod: When does UB become a role? For example: did he become mason the very moment SS died (as I thought) or in the next night?
Help us how?We don't massclaim.
Vote: WW
Why? I never massclaimed before but I think here it should help us?
Help us how?We don't massclaim.
Vote: WW
Why? I never massclaimed before but I think here it should help us?
Ok well I guess we're claiming.
so, we have at least E/C;D/R;M;V;TT as i look correctly
PPE: 3
But wait.. mafia should have killed with Strongman if they have it.They might have 1-shot strongman, and decided not to use it.
So how did Faust not die? We must have RB or double-protection.
But wait.. mafia should have killed with Strongman if they have it.They might have 1-shot strongman, and decided not to use it.
So how did Faust not die? We must have RB or double-protection.
You're all in trouble now.
Hmm, ww's pay certainly doesn't clear him. I like vote: Witherweaver
Hmm, ww's pay certainly doesn't clear him. I like vote: Witherweaver
What? How could that possibly make sense.
From this I take it to mean that you've never seen a fake claim before.
Like maybe you know a town RB targeted you and you want to claim vig now so they don't out you as scum.
Like maybe you know a town RB targeted you and you want to claim vig now so they don't out you as scum.
How would I know that?
well.
scum!WW could make his first post thinking that when his kill will miss he will claim vig (with the opening post) and say his target is bulletproof to mislynch his target. I do think this is possible if he knew there would be bulletproof scum = many PRs (and he knew because he's scum). Is this the possible plan? Knowing WW it can be. Also, can we believe he really targeted SA? I think scum would kill faust. So all of this just doesn't make sense from my perspective. I believe WW here.
So, IMO either SA or WW is scum. There is a possibility that they both are town or scum, but 1/1 is more possible.
well.
scum!WW could make his first post thinking that when his kill will miss he will claim vig (with the opening post) and say his target is bulletproof to mislynch his target. I do think this is possible if he knew there would be bulletproof scum = many PRs (and he knew because he's scum). Is this the possible plan? Knowing WW it can be. Also, can we believe he really targeted SA? I think scum would kill faust. So all of this just doesn't make sense from my perspective. I believe WW here.
So, IMO either SA or WW is scum. There is a possibility that they both are town or scum, but 1/1 is more possible.
I reread myself. Well. Why couldn't scum!ww just try to kill faust and then when nothing happened say that he was targeting SA so we could mislynch THEM?
Answer is maybe that if SA is townie so WW is the first to suspect so I think he wouldn't do it.
I'm confused a little.
well.
scum!WW could make his first post thinking that when his kill will miss he will claim vig (with the opening post) and say his target is bulletproof to mislynch his target. I do think this is possible if he knew there would be bulletproof scum = many PRs (and he knew because he's scum). Is this the possible plan? Knowing WW it can be. Also, can we believe he really targeted SA? I think scum would kill faust. So all of this just doesn't make sense from my perspective. I believe WW here.
So, IMO either SA or WW is scum. There is a possibility that they both are town or scum, but 1/1 is more possible.
Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.
Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.No =) If we have 4 letters other than T they definitely have a strongman.
Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.
No, wait.. that doesn't work! If there's a B in there too, then we have at most one T, and therefore they have a strongman.
Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.No =) If we have 4 letters other than T they definitely have a strongman.
Scum Roles (In addition to the Godfather)
TTTTTT*** = Goon x2
TTTTT*** = Goon x2
TTTT = 1-Shot Strongman; Roleblocker
TTT = 1-Shot Strongman; Roleblocker
TT = Strongman; Roleblocker
T = Strongman; Roleblocker
0 Ts = Strongman; Roleblocker; 1-Shot Bulletproof****
We definitely have 4 PRs:
Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)
Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman. And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.
I mean, unless scum didn't kill last night. This actually happened in Mistborn (we didn't submit by the deadline).
We definitely have 4 PRs:
Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)
Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman. And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.
And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.
We definitely have 4 PRs:
Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)
Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman. And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.
And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.
We definitely have 4 PRs:
Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)
Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman. And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.
And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.
The chance of having a UB in the game was tiny already.. like less than 1 in 20. I think I posted the calculation sometime early in the game.
We definitely have 4 PRs:
Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)
Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman. And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.
And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.
No, read the setup. UB is converted to Mason if there is one M roll.
I mean, unless scum didn't kill last night. This actually happened in Mistborn (we didn't submit by the deadline).
I'd assume that if there are three of them, one of the scums would remember to do something at least! Any of them can actually do the NK, can't they? Or if there's a Strongman scum, does that particular person have to give the order?
We definitely have 4 PRs:
Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)
Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman. And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.
And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.
The chance of having a UB in the game was tiny already.. like less than 1 in 20. I think I posted the calculation sometime early in the game.
There is always a UB... and UB converting to Mason is more likely than there being another M roll, obviously.
We're full claiming, right?
I'm catching up slowly and badly on my phone.
Welp, yall a bunch of crazies and I don't know what I think yet. It smells an awful lot like I'm getting mislynched today and that sucks.
That's a good one!
But EoD yesterday I was on the top of Faust's shitlist.
Probably iguana, Space-A, you.
More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.
This was my "I have a gun" post:You're all in trouble now.
More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.
I mean even the breadcrumb that he claims to have left is extremely vague, and I'm still not entirely sure it is even a breadcrumb. So no I don't think scum was some how tipped off to him being a PR or a vig.
If anyone did RB WW, might this be a good point to say, if I'm going to get mislynched?
Annoyingly, even when I flip town, it doesn't even guarantee we have a guaranteed scum in WW, because he could still have been RB'd by scum if he actually is a vig.
More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.
If WW is a vig, he pretty much has to be a one-shot from the setup letters, so killing him or me is sort of equivalent, given that he's now essentially no better than VT, and could be scum, whereas I'm VT or PR or scum as far as most of you are concerned. Not sure that will sway people like gkrieg, who seems to find me scummy no matter what I say, but maybe it's worth throwing out there for the rest of you.
More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.
I mean even the breadcrumb that he claims to have left is extremely vague, and I'm still not entirely sure it is even a breadcrumb. So no I don't think scum was some how tipped off to him being a PR or a vig.
More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.
I mean even the breadcrumb that he claims to have left is extremely vague, and I'm still not entirely sure it is even a breadcrumb. So no I don't think scum was some how tipped off to him being a PR or a vig.
WW's behavior today is super consistent with his play in Marvel Heroes Mafia where he was Daredevil, the motion detector. He opened that game by saying something like "I don't afraid of anything!" and then later referenced that post as a breadcrumb when Faust falsely incriminated him for the night kill.
So yeah, I'm pretty convinced that WW is town because he I've never seen him play scum like this but town yes and not in any obvious way like he's trying to copy it.
If anyone did RB WW, might this be a good point to say, if I'm going to get mislynched?
Annoyingly, even when I flip town, it doesn't even guarantee we have a guaranteed scum in WW, because he could still have been RB'd by scum if he actually is a vig.
More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.
If WW is a vig, he pretty much has to be a one-shot from the setup letters, so killing him or me is sort of equivalent, given that he's now essentially no better than VT, and could be scum, whereas I'm VT or PR or scum as far as most of you are concerned. Not sure that will sway people like gkrieg, who seems to find me scummy no matter what I say, but maybe it's worth throwing out there for the rest of you.
But that requires 3 doctors/roleblockers right? 2 to protect faust, and 1 to protect Space?
But not scum only has BP if we have all six PRs. That was my thinking for proposing mass claim in the first place, to determine if we were in such a scenario.
As it is, I believe we must have at least five.
Fair enough.But that requires 3 doctors/roleblockers right? 2 to protect faust, and 1 to protect Space?
Not if Space is bulletproof scum, or if scum RB'd me
Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him
Assume schadd is lying i.e. he's scum rather than a 1-shot doctor.Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him
I'm not sure I understand the schadd thing
Assume schadd is lying i.e. he's scum rather than a 1-shot doctor.Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him
I'm not sure I understand the schadd thing
Then it's likely we have 2 doctors, so it's likely 1 of them is 1-shot (check the setup & do the maths).
The true 1-shot doctor will have used his shot up protecting faust.
Therefore, the true 1-shot doctor is basically a VT now.
So they would counterclaim schadd.
No-one has counterclaimed schadd, ergo it seems reasonably likely he's telling the truth.
Yes or DDDMVC.Assume schadd is lying i.e. he's scum rather than a 1-shot doctor.Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him
I'm not sure I understand the schadd thing
Then it's likely we have 2 doctors, so it's likely 1 of them is 1-shot (check the setup & do the maths).
The true 1-shot doctor will have used his shot up protecting faust.
Therefore, the true 1-shot doctor is basically a VT now.
So they would counterclaim schadd.
No-one has counterclaimed schadd, ergo it seems reasonably likely he's telling the truth.
But 2 1-shot doctors and one full doctor is possible right? That would be DDMVCE
WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last nighti think there is a small but perhaps non-trivial chance that ww is lying. in the case that the scums know that there are between 2 and 3 PRs, they might have elected to not use the strongman in order to gather information, and when faust didn't die (you're welcome, maybe) that was an all-clear that it is CEM and there are no vigilantes, and thus no-one to contest the vig thing. if anyone else knows they have they have a PR (esp. cop, since it can't explain faust's survival), then they will know this scenario to be impossible.
schadd: 1-shot doc, saved faust last night
it looks like i intentionally quoted this for context, but i meant to say "this sounds like song lyrics" and then do the rest of the post as a separate thought. i forgot to do that.WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last night
schadd: 1-shot doc, saved faust last night
here is another random thingSo Space is the lurker then- should vote him.
at the time of this post, this is the post count in this thread of the following people (including the sign-up ones, but those are negligible):
witherweaver: 151
faust: 125
j reggie: 111
lalight: 110
iguanaiguana: 98
gkrieg: 93
schaddio: 78
joseph: 74
spaceanemone: 59
So Space is the lurker then- should vote him.
"him" evidently mean Gkrieg~
"him" evidently mean Gkrieg~
I guess Joseph is being confusing...
Should I understand what the little "8" graphic he posted was about?
I targeted Space primarily because of Faust's last posts yesterday.So you decided to sheep me because me reads so far have proven to be so amazing?
I targeted Space primarily because of Faust's last posts yesterday.So you decided to sheep me because me reads so far have proven to be so amazing?
So you are assuming that WW is telling the truth and saying the chance that both WW and SA are town is very low. So you are saying you think SA is scum then?It's called "stream of consciousness".
Actually your whole post is a little weird. You are saying that you don't like the 1-shot BP explanation, but then your conclusion is that it is a real possibility?
Faust is IC and schadd is close enough for me to give him a game-pass.
I believe WW. Why, on a night that no one died, would scum fakeclaim using one shot of a vigilante power? That makes no sense. It wouldn't even occur to them. The only reason to claim something like that is if it actually happened. If WW is faking that claim, I congratulate him for being very creative.
That leaves me with Gkrieg, LaLight, Joseph, Space, and J Reggie and three of those five are scum.
Based on how LaLight reacted to my suspicion yesterday, I don't think LaLight is scum anymore. Between the last four, trying to figure out which one is town is uh super hard. Yes, that's assuming I made the correct decision about everyone else. I could be wrong about LaLight or WW, I just really don't think so.
Anyway, I guess the most likely town to me out of those four is........ Gkrieg? But, Gkrieg could seriously be scum and just playing well too, so yeah.
That's where I'm at.
I'm kinda annoyed that we failed to lynch J Reggie D1, then he just lurked the next several days, and now even still no one is considering he's scum when the odds from my perspective are overwhelming that he is scum and the odds from everyone else's perspective should be pretty damn high too.
Faust is IC and schadd is close enough for me to give him a game-pass.
I believe WW. Why, on a night that no one died, would scum fakeclaim using one shot of a vigilante power? That makes no sense. It wouldn't even occur to them. The only reason to claim something like that is if it actually happened. If WW is faking that claim, I congratulate him for being very creative.
That leaves me with Gkrieg, LaLight, Joseph, Space, and J Reggie and three of those five are scum.
Based on how LaLight reacted to my suspicion yesterday, I don't think LaLight is scum anymore. Between the last four, trying to figure out which one is town is uh super hard. Yes, that's assuming I made the correct decision about everyone else. I could be wrong about LaLight or WW, I just really don't think so.
Anyway, I guess the most likely town to me out of those four is........ Gkrieg? But, Gkrieg could seriously be scum and just playing well too, so yeah.
That's where I'm at.
I'm kinda annoyed that we failed to lynch J Reggie D1, then he just lurked the next several days, and now even still no one is considering he's scum when the odds from my perspective are overwhelming that he is scum and the odds from everyone else's perspective should be pretty damn high too.
I just feel like SA is scum just from my reread of them D2. I get what you are saying with the J Reggie thing, but I just feel like we have a better chance with SA. I would definitely lynch J Reggie, but he isn't my first option, or even my second option.
In my eyes, iguana and faust and schadd are townie. Then order of scumminess is SA>Joseph>J Reggie>LaLight>WW
PPEs
I don't really like the way WW is playing this, but uh that usually means that he's town.
Can everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?
Reasonably scummyCan everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?
I would go for scummy, but not super scummy.
I believe WW. Why, on a night that no one died, would scum fakeclaim using one shot of a vigilante power? That makes no sense. It wouldn't even occur to them. The only reason to claim something like that is if it actually happened. If WW is faking that claim, I congratulate him for being very creative.
in the case that the scums know that there are between 2 and 3 PRs, they might have elected to not use the strongman in order to gather information, and when faust didn't die (you're welcome, maybe) that was an all-clear that it is CEM and there are no vigilantes, and thus no-one to contest the vig thing.ww becomes an IC, and our sense of the PRs is thrown off if we believe him (maybe we would eventually deduce it out, but i don't see how, at least until more people die).
Hi. Well, I think the chance that both WW and Space are town is quite low, given my survival.
Hi. Well, I think the chance that both WW and Space are town is quite low, given my survival.
If WW is not a vig, he's pretty much guaranteed to be scum.
Agree, seems like a barbaric claim, and would just screw up all the town information.Hi. Well, I think the chance that both WW and Space are town is quite low, given my survival.
If WW is not a vig, he's pretty much guaranteed to be scum.
What, like I would fake claim Vig as town?!
i'm ice skating rn
don't tell my momi'm ice skating rn
While posting?
Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?
I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.
I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.
I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.
I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
Any comment on how the PoE is by now overwhelmingly in favor of him being scum?
Not any more than it is in favor of you being scum.Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.
I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
Any comment on how the PoE is by now overwhelmingly in favor of him being scum?
Not any more than it is in favor of you being scum.Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.
I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
Any comment on how the PoE is by now overwhelmingly in favor of him being scum?
Are you the strongman Reggie?
Let's talk about fakeclaiming, yes?
In which scenario does WW fakeclaim? Well, it's supposed to be acquitting him. Suppose he performed the kill as scum, because he's the Strongman. No kill makes it likely that he was roleblocked, which in turn makes him look pretty bad. Vig claim is a way out, and to stay alive. Countering this is the fact that he planned this claim early (with breadcrumbing and asking for my reads), so that would mean that he planned it without knowing he would get into this kind of situation.
In which scenario does schadd fakeclaim? Well I think only with a veteran scum partner. I mean, the options for that are really limited. And the claim would be planned ahead, so they would kind of have to know that I wouldn't die. Which seems unlikely. Or schadd is just really good and saw the potential... but then this does not explain how I am still alive.
Would it be a good idea for any town roleblockers/doctors out there to claim their actions so we know what's going on?
Witherweaver -- Null (still overconfident/sarky, though!)Assuming they are scum, I don't think they would townread both their partners, which would point towards a Space-A/Reggie.
LaLight -- Still very newbie!town.
silverspawn -- Null.. He has a lot of short posts I can't really get my teeth into.
gkrieg13 -- Mild town (and I have sympathy with him having put this on the back burner spend time trying to win BSG, even though he actually killed me!)
faust -- Null so far, leaning mild town.
Roadrunner7671 -- I don't even know.
Joseph2302 -- Mild town
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- Null. Some bits of him seem scummy, but other bits seem quite towny.
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
iguanaiguana -- Towny.
mail-mi -- Mild scum. I did just come from a game where he was scum, and he seems really similar.
J Reggie (4): Witherweaver, iguanaiguana, silverspawn, schaddWe have 3 towns on Reggie, 1 town on mail-mi and 1 town on me. Reggie looks like a better candidate now.
mail-mi (4): J Reggie, faust, LaLight, SpaceAnemone
faust (3): Joseph2302, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671
Would it be a good idea for any town roleblockers/doctors out there to claim their actions so we know what's going on?
To be clear, I'm asking, not telling anyone to claim anything. Specifically I'm asking Faust because he's good at this night action stuff and I'm absolutely rotten at it.
Agreed.
Would it be a good idea for any town roleblockers/doctors out there to claim their actions so we know what's going on?
To be clear, I'm asking, not telling anyone to claim anything. Specifically I'm asking Faust because he's good at this night action stuff and I'm absolutely rotten at it.
Doctor claim is awful. RB claim is probably very good because it outs the scum Strongman.
Plane about to take off but can we lynch SA instead?
Please and thank you
Plane about to take off but can we lynch SA instead?
Please and thank you
If WW is telling the truth then Space is likely to be the 1 shot Bulletproof scum. Which makes Space basically a goon now, so we lynch J Reggie and get a better shot at lynching the strongman.
Man, this post makes me sound like I'm protecting a partner. We can totally lynch Space if that is what people want. Seriously, I think Space is 90% likely to be scum. I just also think that about Reggiemon.
Plane about to take off but can we lynch SA instead?
Please and thank you
If WW is telling the truth then Space is likely to be the 1 shot Bulletproof scum. Which makes Space basically a goon now, so we lynch J Reggie and get a better shot at lynching the strongman.
Man, this post makes me sound like I'm protecting a partner. We can totally lynch Space if that is what people want. Seriously, I think Space is 90% likely to be scum. I just also think that about Reggiemon.
What if they is a bulletproof strongman? Is it possible?
I checked
They can. If we have zero T's one member is randomly bulletproof.
Okay, everything I said was wrong. Space or any scum could be the strongman. A random scum gets a bulletproof if we are dealing with 6 PRs. I get it now, my bad.
Argh, seriously, I'm not scum! The whole argument for you guys suspecting me of being scum was that I didn't die when WW claims to have vigged me, hence the suspicion that I might have been BP. And now people are suddenly re-speculating on all this stuff as if they haven't even really thought this through at all :-( I really can't mount a proper defence right now because I'm out in London for the night and away from a computer till tomorrow night...
Argh, seriously, I'm not scum! The whole argument for you guys suspecting me of being scum was that I didn't die when WW claims to have vigged me, hence the suspicion that I might have been BP. And now people are suddenly re-speculating on all this stuff as if they haven't even really thought this through at all :-( I really can't mount a proper defence right now because I'm out in London for the night and away from a computer till tomorrow night...
Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
At least SA has an infinitely higher chance at being scum than I do.
Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
At least SA has an infinitely higher chance at being scum than I do.
Space-A needs at least time to claim.
Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
At least SA has an infinitely higher chance at being scum than I do.
Space-A needs at least time to claim.
I do!I'll reread tomorrow, but either Space or JReggie seem like decent options to me.
Okay I think everyone knows that by now.
In which scenario does WW fakeclaim? Well, it's supposed to be acquitting him. Suppose he performed the kill as scum, because he's the Strongman. No kill makes it likely that he was roleblocked, which in turn makes him look pretty bad. Vig claim is a way out, and to stay alive. Countering this is the fact that he planned this claim early (with breadcrumbing and asking for my reads), so that would mean that he planned it without knowing he would get into this kind of situation.
the one described above: 8%. not completely disjoint with the previous case, though, so maybe, like, 7%?that should say 'not disjoint with the following case'
If WW is a vig, he was almost certainly a lucky block by scum, because town has a rather low likelihood of having a RB, whereas scum is guaranteed one (since we know we have at least two non-T rolls in the setup).(emphasis added)
Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?i do! i'm weirdly nervous because the game is really confusing atm
So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?
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I don't think you should ascribe gamestate/probabilities analysis to people for town points. Scum does it a lot because it is something they can do that makes them look like they are pushing the game forward while speaking in an unbiased way that doesn't reveal their scum motivation.sure. i think that at the moment, though, it is the super pressing thing to be sorted, and it is also the source from which a lot of the suspicion of sa seemed to be derived. that said, though:
Yes. Also, knowing Reggie's alignment will be a big help moving on I think.Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
At least SA has an infinitely higher chance at being scum than I do.
Space-A needs at least time to claim.
You think Reggie is a better bet than Space?
Probably because you're voting for someone else.So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?
lol hi scum
Why are we not killing this guy?
people seem to be making the assumption that there is no outcome wherein scum wouldn't use strongman (but oh, there is!)Care to enlighten me?
This analysis is wrong for a number of reasons.
Why not?people seem to be making the assumption that there is no outcome wherein scum wouldn't use strongman (but oh, there is!)Care to enlighten me?
So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?
lol hi scum
Why are we not killing this guy?
IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. RidiculousNot ridiculous.
the one where it's one-shot strongman because there's only three PRs. MCETTTpeople seem to be making the assumption that there is no outcome wherein scum wouldn't use strongman (but oh, there is!)Care to enlighten me?
b) There is no town roleblocker, or else the would have claimed by now.ok, cool. so now it's MCETTT against the double-doctor one.
a) For some reason, you're not factoring in your own role.that will generally be my m.o., to provide arguments that work even if you don't believe the other stuff that i'm saying. if you did factor in my claim i think it weakens the ww-is-lying one, since my role forces it to be MCE and not, like, MDC or MER or whatever, whereas it already fits in to the double-doctor ones.
c) Probability arguments suck.k
Yes. Also, knowing Reggie's alignment will be a big help moving on I think.Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
At least SA has an infinitely higher chance at being scum than I do.
Space-A needs at least time to claim.
You think Reggie is a better bet than Space?
Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.can you, like, make a case at all? your D3 reads more scummy to me than his but maybe i'm confusing scummy with trumpy
So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?
lol hi scum
Why are we not killing this guy?
What? How in the world does this make you think I'm scum. This proves that I want to put energy into my reads, rather than just saying "yep, I reread and I'm good with hammering". I want to know whether I'm making the right decision, and I can't do that when I'm about to collapse after a long day.
IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. RidiculousNot ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.
IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. RidiculousNot ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.
Absolutely impossible to figure out which one that is! It's a shot in the dark. This comment is totally irrelevant.
Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.can you, like, make a case at all? your D3 reads more scummy to me than his but maybe i'm confusing scummy with trumpy
Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.can you, like, make a case at all? your D3 reads more scummy to me than his but maybe i'm confusing scummy with trumpy
Faust made the case. I very much agree with it. Making the exact same case again is borderline pointless, but since you apparently think I'm scum casting votes for no reason, I'll give my best shot anyway of saying what has already been said better by someone else.
CASE ON J REGGIE
When you look back now at the people who were trying to lynch J Reggie on D1 and almost succeeded, they are a mix of confirmed town players and very towny players. The unknowns of D3 (today) are noticeably absent. That means that if J Reggie were town, he would have had mostly town players on him and been at L-1 where scum could have easily hammered him. Instead, most of the unknowns on D1 were on Mail-mi's wagon at the end of day.
You also have to understand that from my perspective, this looks even more clear. I was on J Reggie's wagon and I know that I am town. So to me, the people who wanted J Reggie lynched were really ALL town whereas many of the people who wanted Mail-mi lynched were unknowns. For you, it may be slightly less clear than that, as I am able to ascribe a strong townread to you whereas you are not able to do so for me.
This is the best evidence I have ever found in mafia for one player being scum and one player being town. It's called wagon analysis. In this case, it appears that on D1 the mafia was protecting their partner J Reggie by voting for Mail-mi and trying to make his wagon look more appealing and easier to accomplish. I believe that wagon analysis and reads-based analysis is a better way to cast your vote than probability analysis in MOST cases.
At the beginning of D2 J Reggie was fortunate enough to have two strong players (Faust and WW) say "I think his wagon was probably also on a town" and therefore send us on a wild goose chase for some other player to lynch up until today. D2 J reggie kept a SUPER-SUPER low profile, and he did that also on D3 before Faust and I started throwing suspicion onto him again. I think several of his posts today have been scummy. In particular, suggesting that your behavior is scummy is super suspicious. You are obvious town. If you need even more evidence for me, I will go and start digging up his quotes and do my best to point out the scum motivation for them.
Anyway, now I'm all fired up. Let's go back to J Reggie
Vote: J Reggie
IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. RidiculousNot ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.
Absolutely impossible to figure out which one that is! It's a shot in the dark. This comment is totally irrelevant.
I will hammer either of them.
I will hammer either of them.
me too. I just want to give word to SA because we all go to JR.
Yes. Also, knowing Reggie's alignment will be a big help moving on I think.Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
At least SA has an infinitely higher chance at being scum than I do.
Space-A needs at least time to claim.
You think Reggie is a better bet than Space?
I'll do Reggie if you prefer.
IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. RidiculousNot ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.
Absolutely impossible to figure out which one that is! It's a shot in the dark. This comment is totally irrelevant.
Eh, Space being Strongman is more likely if they're both scum. But I don't think that should be a huge factor.
Sorry if that is a condescending post but I found your insinuation that I am casting votes for no reason to be pretty damn insulting.what? you are maybe in the wrong thread.
I'm out in London for the night and away from a computer till tomorrow night...
So what are we at now? Looks like
SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (3): faust, Iguana, schadd
Not Voting (2): SpaceAnemone, J Reggie,
Why is Joseph voting for Gkrieg?
I think you should claim.
I think you should claim.
If faust says so then I will. Otherwise I'd really rather not say anything else that scum might somehow use against me to push through a hammer before I can even read things properly and post my own thoughts.
Or I'll claim now immediately if everyone else in the game can please ascribe lots of scum points to anyone joining my wagon between me claiming and being able to read and post properly? That way it doesn't look like I'm wanting thinking time about what I'm claiming. Does that work?
If you are town then this lynch is your own fault. You should have been looking into the unknowns (Reggie, Joseph, Gkrieg, uh me) and trying to figure out which ones of them are most likely to be scum.
agreed. Intent to hammer
well, as I said before I'm quite comfortable with mail-mi lynch. Same with JReggie. Intent to hammer
I mean if we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip scum and then lynch me tomorrow it'll be lylo. If we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip town and then lynch me tomorrow we lose. If we lynch me today I'd recommend not insta-lynching SpaceAnemone tomorrow because it'll be lylo.argh, you keep doing that. you are currently trying to argue that you're town, so don't use the implications of you being town as evidence for you being town.
#784: "Schadd townslips again and again" -- not really. And I'm still deeply suspicious that his first "townslip" was a set-up. I'm really suspicious of how LL and Joseph push the "schadd is townslipping argument" around here.i get how the first one (wherein i thought two people were supposed to die each night) might seem suspicious, given that it's kind of a weird assumption. however, this (https://youtu.be/DBXLUR9fsDs?t=24m25s) was the first mafia game that i watched, and as you can see, two people died each night (i linked it at the end of the first night.)
#1191: "Also, @Schadd and @Joseph, if you are to pick up out of those two, who do you vote?" -- I'm leaning towards a LaLight, Schadd & Joseph scumteam, though if so then this is quite brave.well, we were the two people that were neither voting for one of the main wagons nor the target of them at the time.
It's not that strong of a possibility that both you and J Reggie are both town.how are they conditional? a few people have been seemingly making that assumption
The fact that he's still claiming in his most recent post to have coined the term "townslip", rather than just to have heard it in the scum QT, makes me more uncomfortable.so, would it make you more comfortable if i told you that i heard it in the scum qt? or, rather, if i changed my answer, would it be ok?
Residual remains of my D2 theory that one of WW or gkrieg was scum.So what are we at now? Looks like
SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (3): faust, Iguana, schadd
Not Voting (2): SpaceAnemone, J Reggie,
Why is Joseph voting for Gkrieg?
Ftfy
I don't remember either
PPE: 8 or more things... will catch up in a moment!
kI don't really believe it, because:
do you disagree that ww might fakeclaim, then?
Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.Giving town another lynch isn't worth any of that. No kill is never an option that scum actually chooses.
Where did that theory come from?Can't exactly remember.
Agreed.Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.Giving town another lynch isn't worth any of that. No kill is never an option that scum actually chooses.
I read posts of someone without bias.Lynch all liars!
I read posts of someone without bias.Lynch all liars!
I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine
I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine
Because I'm at work.I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine
Why aren't you voting for them then? I think _this_ is scummy
In the meantime, Vote: LaLight for thinking I'm scummy.
I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine
Here's a different theory for why faust survived the night. Obviously the people scumreading me already will think I'm clutching at straws, but here it is recorded for posterity in case anyone starts re-evaluating their positions later.
Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.
WW coming straight out in D2 claiming vig would have thrown a minor spanner in the works, though, because more of them would have to claim in order to soak up the hits, throwing their plan out a bit. I'm not actually sure whether or not scum gets to know the exact town PRs in the game (i.e. did they even know there was a vig already), but if I ask that now, everyone will just assume it's a desperate grab for town points.
I think schadd coming out as a doctor who protected faust is a case of that. Nobody other than me is particularly scumreading him, and lots of people are scumreading me, so he's a safe "IC" to make. The fact that he's still claiming in his most recent post to have coined the term "townslip", rather than just to have heard it in the scum QT, makes me more uncomfortable.
#784: "Schadd townslips again and again" -- not really. And I'm still deeply suspicious that his first "townslip" was a set-up. I'm really suspicious of how LL and Joseph push the "schadd is townslipping argument" around here.No just no.
I mean if we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip scum and then lynch me tomorrow it'll be lylo. If we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip town and then lynch me tomorrow we lose. If we lynch me today I'd recommend not insta-lynching SpaceAnemone tomorrow because it'll be lylo.Buddying much? "Don't lynch me, but if you do, then definitely don't link SA"
This claim still hasn't happened.I think you should claim.
If faust says so then I will. Otherwise I'd really rather not say anything else that scum might somehow use against me to push through a hammer before I can even read things properly and post my own thoughts.
Or I'll claim now immediately if everyone else in the game can please ascribe lots of scum points to anyone joining my wagon between me claiming and being able to read and post properly? That way it doesn't look like I'm wanting thinking time about what I'm claiming. Does that work?
Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.
This claim still hasn't happened.
Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.
What? You are voting LaLight.QuoteThis claim still hasn't happened.
He claimed VT.
In conclusion, I think that both JReggie and Space are scum, the JReggie post seems like obvious buddying to me.
I think Space looks worst, and he hasn't bothered to claim, so I'm going to vote for him. This will be L-1, but gkrieg has already said he's hammer either on L-1.
So, Vote: Space
L-1
Huh.. I'd put my phone away for a while after I'd seen the first response to my claiming question. Two more experienced people have now say to claim, so I guess I will. If I'm lynched before I later then be suspicious of them! Anyway, I'm VT... sorry if you'd hope for something more juicy to analyse :-(
Okay, so he claimed VT, the safest claim for scum right now?
Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.
What? You are voting LaLight.QuoteThis claim still hasn't happened.
He claimed VT.
That's hammer?
I agree that Joseph's almost certainly scum.So you're good?
I think LL probably is.
I don't know why Iguana makes so much of his QT text... he seems really towny to me, but that's bothering me.
Joseph: SA is not a he. Use they or she instead.Noted.
This is kind of annoying.
This is kind of annoying.
Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(
Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...
Joseph: SA is not a he. Use they or she instead.Noted.
I'm actually surprised I used he, as I usually use they.
This is kind of annoying.
Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(
Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...
Hm, I think it was, actually.
This is kind of annoying.
Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(
Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...
Hm, I think it was, actually.
Huh? How?
things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.
also, in case i die or we get more information:kI don't really believe it, because:
do you disagree that ww might fakeclaim, then?
- the breadcrumb
- scum!WW would not say "I just shot whoever faust thought is scum"
- in your scenario (MCETTT), 1-shot Vig is counterclaimable. That's a dangerous road for scum.
most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.
I think Joseph is so much scummier than J Reggie, but then I seem to have been blind to the JR argument all along and I suspect that lack of understanding has sort of contributed to my current death :-(
most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg642636#msg642636)
-well, it was one of the three people you thought was scum. and it so happened that it was somebody that ww had a gripe with in the past. but, sure. i believe you.i guess one of two people, since one of them was ww himself (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg640729#msg640729)
Iguana, Reggie, Joseph?sure. you are just a one-shot vig, right?
most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg642636#msg642636)
Also, the RR lynch was ridiculous and terrible, and LL should definitely have known better. J Reggie did. Yes, that's reasons I can't say, but maybe JR will be able to bring it up soon.
ok. but what about the j reggie partmost of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg642636#msg642636)
That post has holes. I always RVS Iguana.. he seemed like a safe and friendly reptile for a newbie player to RVS first time, and then there seemed no sense in breaking with tradition.
most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg642636#msg642636)
That post has holes. I always RVS Iguana.. he seemed like a safe and friendly reptile for a newbie player to RVS first time, and then there seemed no sense in breaking with tradition.
Waiting fir the flip on my phone while watching a movie with my wife?
lol hi scum
Why are we not killing this guy?
Also, the RR lynch was ridiculous and terrible, and LL should definitely have known better. J Reggie did. Yes, that's reasons I can't say, but maybe JR will be able to bring it up soon.
Also, the RR lynch was ridiculous and terrible, and LL should definitely have known better. J Reggie did. Yes, that's reasons I can't say, but maybe JR will be able to bring it up soon.
That's a surprising attitude. I actually thought RR would be scum.
Waiting fir the flip on my phone while watching a movie with my wife?
Totally scummy! :-P
I'd love to talk to you about some things you do that get you lynched consistently after the game, because it is annoying to scum read you and then you flip town, especially when you keep trying so hard.
things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.
I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player
Leaning towards town.I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player
What about WW and II then?
so, at the moment, we're assuming that ww shot sa and that scum roleblocked him—the 1-shot bulletproof explanation is out the window. and so i buy the fact that scum were able to figure out that he was a vig, from the thing at the beginning, asking faust for reads, and maybe getting a pr vibe from him otherwise, i dunno. but why would they bother blocking him if they didn't see a scum in faust's list?Any modification to your last reads list?
Well uh nothing much happened in between. If RR indeed flips scum, then that mostly reinforces my reads. Probably you will be townier for it.
And what do you think if he flips town? Say, who are top scummy two or three.
Probably iguana, Space-A, you.
and iguana was very much aware of where he was at the beginning of D3—it was the first (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg641755#msg641755) thing that he mentioned (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg641764#msg641764) in spite of the vig drama going on. isn't that odd? well, not really but still
Welp, yall a bunch of crazies and I don't know what I think yet. It smells an awful lot like I'm getting mislynched today and that sucks.
@igu you were 90% sure SA was scum. It can just be your plan and scum is you.
I'm /in for massclaim though.
Schadd and WW should not have anything more to claim I think.i chose not to save anyone last night
I've already claimed too. I'm going to try my best to defend myself today.where is that?
I am Haku, from Spirited Away, for what it's worth.yeah i was wondering actually
found it (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg636897#msg636897)I've already claimed too. I'm going to try my best to defend myself today.where is that?
I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player
I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player
Why do you think that?
Also scum definitely has multiple shots of strongman.
I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player
Why do you think that?
Also scum definitely has multiple shots of strongman.
oif we stick to iguana's order list, that's iguana's turn.Cool.
Also scum definitely has multiple shots of strongman.uh or we don't have a doctor
I'm going to fully reread before any voting.
Also this game sucks.
... because we haven't hit any scum.
I'm the doctor
I protected ss N1, faust N2 & 3.
so DDDDMC(E) or MDVC(E)D(E)?
Wait, I must be missing something.
M for faust and silver
C(E) for RR
V? for WW
D for gkrieg
D(E) for schadd
Is that all the claims that aren't VT?
Hmmmm that's interesting.
I'm also a full doctor, and I protected ss N1, and faust on N2 and N3.
I'm trying to think of a situation where you aren't lying. I guess if scum blocked me (or you) N1, WW N2, then me (or you) N3 and had strongman, it is possible that the kills ended up as they did. Or I guess WW could also be lying.
Hmmmm that's interesting.
I'm also a full doctor, and I protected ss N1, and faust on N2 and N3.
I'm trying to think of a situation where you aren't lying. I guess if scum blocked me (or you) N1, WW N2, then me (or you) N3 and had strongman, it is possible that the kills ended up as they did. Or I guess WW could also be lying.
Why did you protect SS night 1?
I protected ss N1, faust N2 & 3.
Why did you protect SS Night 1?
Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)
We have
M
V
and have to fill
1-Shot Cop
1-Shot Doctor
Doctor
Doctor
with four letters.
Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)
We have
M
V
and have to fill
1-Shot Cop
1-Shot Doctor
Doctor
Doctor
with four letters.
Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)
We have
M
V
and have to fill
1-Shot Cop
1-Shot Doctor
Doctor
Doctor
with four letters.
But from your point of view, schadd can't be lying, unless scum decided not to use strongman, or didn't kill N2
Because obvious scum kills are the experienced players.I protected ss N1, faust N2 & 3.
Why did you protect SS Night 1?
Bump
Can someone correct me if I'm wrong? No combination of E, C, D's with four letters can give two Doctors, one 1-shot doctor, and one 1-shot Cop, right?Needs 5 letters.
So, gkrieg is bad then (from my perspective)
Can someone correct me if I'm wrong? No combination of E, C, D's with four letters can give two Doctors, one 1-shot doctor, and one 1-shot Cop, right?Needs 5 letters.
EDDDD or CDDDD
Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)
We have
M
V
and have to fill
1-Shot Cop
1-Shot Doctor
Doctor
Doctor
with four letters.
But from your point of view, schadd can't be lying, unless scum decided not to use strongman, or didn't kill N2
Are you sure? M V D E E E gives 2 Doctors, 1 1-shot Cop
wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.Roleblocker, could have been roleblocked. Although seems likely that one (gkrieg) is lying
wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.
wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.Roleblocker, could have been roleblocked. Although seems likely that one (gkrieg) is lying
Your claim seems weird, since it's the same as mine.wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.Roleblocker, could have been roleblocked. Although seems likely that one (gkrieg) is lying
Why is me lying more probable than WW lying in your eyes?
LaLight claimed IC?
My guess is that a probability thing of who is lying would probably not help very muchyes there are too many arrangements here, and too much other stuff
LaLight claimed IC?
Vt
well, yesterday i came to claim and didn't read any of this, then I read it before sleep but had no time to answer.
This is all confusing. My gut also tells me that here's exactly one person lying about PR. And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.
vote: JReggie
well, yesterday i came to claim and didn't read any of this, then I read it before sleep but had no time to answer.
This is all confusing. My gut also tells me that here's exactly one person lying about PR. And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.
vote: JReggie
Woah woah please unvote before scum have a chance to hammer me. Unless of course you're scum and that's not possible, but I think you're pretty towny so DON'T LOSE THE GAME FOR US
And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.
vote: JReggie
And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.
vote: JReggie
Lol
I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.
And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.
vote: JReggie
Lol
I've already proven I may be wrong :)
I don't know, you're so null to me.
I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.
Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.
I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.
Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.
Really? You think 3 scum would just forget?
I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.
Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.
This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2. Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
I'm not going to be sound much this weekend, so don't lynch me as a result of that please.We'll probably lynch you D5.
I favor a Joseph lynch today I think.
Pretty sure Gkrieg is scum right now.
SS was the obvious N1 target to experienced player, as he's one of the best town players. This is why I thought one of WW/gkrieg must be scum, as someone experienced must have decided on that NK.
N2 & 3, faust was the obvious kill, as he's the IC, so towniest player.
Thus, all these kills have been to the mafia textbook, suggesting an experienced player was running them.
WW's claim must be true, since it was so barbaric.
Also, someone is definitely lying about being a doctor, and it's convenient that gkrieg just copied my claim. He then tried to claim that all 3 scum could be claiming PRs, which seems ridiculously unlikely.
Really? You think 3 scum would just forget?
I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.
Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.
This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2. Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
That's just an awful argument to be pursuing.
Really? You think 3 scum would just forget?
I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.
Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.
This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2. Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
That's just an awful argument to be pursuing.
Look at mistborn mafia. There I think 5 people forgot.
Really? You think 3 scum would just forget?
I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.
Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.
This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2. Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
That's just an awful argument to be pursuing.
Look at mistborn mafia. There I think 5 people forgot.
More people is greater chance, actually. Since you're discussing a lot and waiting for responses, you don't realize the deadlines come up.
Here, though, we shouldn't consider such a situation too seriously.
rereading everyone rn. until that's finished, here's a nugget
shortest character combination that uniquely returns each person in ctrl-f:
gkrieg: "adf"
iguana iguana: "sku"
j reggie: "dcl"
joseph: ", 5"
lalight: "eyl" [as long as he is a moneylender, after which it becomes "me: l"]
schadd: "kj"
witherweaver: "h3" [as long as no one quotes jsh]
everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff
so, uh, vote: mail-mi
also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend
also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"
why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way
i'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. it seems as though his approach is to brush me off as a dope rather than address the thing that i said and i kinda fancy myself not a dope
i don't have any other stances
vote: lalight
my only real thing is that i get concerned when people agree with another person's thing and don't say anything else andagreed. Intent to hammerstrikes that chord. and he hasn't elaborated on it. i'm not sure whether it helps or hurts that he decided not to hammer someone in that situation
also, incidentally, i'm finding it difficult to say things that are towny. in theory i should be completely transparent because i'm not hiding anything (lmao!) but if i were some other guy reading my posts i would be like "wow what a loser that doesn't know what to do with his scummy self and is just trying to be present but unhelpful in conversation." so, this is me levelling with you guys or something. imagine that you're playing lego and i squat next to you and say "i care. i really do."
i tried to edit it and then i quoted it and then i posted it and then i remembered that you're not supposed to edit
vote: joseph
I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?only as much as the next guy. the scumfriends thing with faust was because i voted him and then stopped voting for him and the mafia school thing seemed like a nice narrative@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?they are the only duke i think
vote: j reggie is where i stand.Yeah, people really seem to have forgotten about this game. Let's get a lynch in before the deadline because I probably won't be around then.real? 6 pages in 4ish days seems perfectly fine, judging from cursory glances at the other ones. this might, however, stem from an actual personal time constraint. such is online mafia.
...and since then not many of the other posts have things that are really capable of refutation (or agreement, for that matter) and are sorta non-committal, as igu argued.
from non-mafia knowledge, i would tend to agree with igu and the version of ss that says "the case is good." also, either way, j reg seems like a fun person to put the spotlight on
i'm pretty sure that's a bold-faced lie about bold-faced votes. you were the fifth vote on m-m, and i dunno if you can say that you started the wagon in the context of this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg634419#msg634419)I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.
It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261)
In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.
Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.
Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.
I started the wagon on mail-mi. I still think he's scum.
♪it's just another perfect night♪ (https://youtu.be/pyCkhPTU13w?t=2m49s)I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.i don't suppose there's any reason to deny this. if it's a lie then you're just communicating to a random person that you're scum and i'm sure people have gotten that far already. i was getting a somewhat strong scum read on you and ss towards the end, so. potato potahto.
I am silverspawn's partner.
This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
question: are you allowed to say (or quote, even) what you and ss said in the mason qt?
also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly. if somebody did doctor, any speculations on who was saved? all things considered, the very likely candidate is faust; as i mentioned, they seemed maybe not scummy but definitely like they knew something, and scum may have presumed that to mean they were masons. in which case, silverspawn also assumed that they knew—this (following) post makes more sense with that in mind.I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.Also schadd is not very useful, as I recall he has a little amount of posts and what he has is not telling us anything.:(
should i do a big readpost or something?
whoops! townslipReally, because I'm not.
i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
If you were scum, you would have asked your "Do 2 people die at night?" question in the mafia QT, rather than here.
he had a sort of a habit of snarking at/refuting that spaceguy summed here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg635596#msg635596)whoops, that was supposed to be this link (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg635279#msg635279)
/pledge, i guess? i'm not sure that this logic holds up:My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust. Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's....since only 6 people know the alignment of 2 people, and a certain 3 people know the alignment of everybody. it's not about information, it's about, ceteris paribus and nothing particularly compelling against any certain person, we agree to sheep the person who cannot have any ulterior motives (esp. because now it is especially easy for scum to form a majority). faust, incidentally, seems to be a fortunate person for this position.
i'm not sure, though, and other people have thought this out further than i have and also experienced the endgame situation theorized here. at the very least, this shouldn't really be the focus of our attention until we are confident that there isn't more information to be gathered.Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.i'm so town that even if i were scum i wouldn't lynch anyone.
If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?
i mean, uh, probably ss. it's hard to say in hindsight, of course, but i and surely some other people (read: joseph's readlist, also this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg636248#msg636248)) had ss and faust in the "what do you know that i don't" category, and since scum knew they were innocent, that probably meant that they indeed knew something. that, and, you know, ss is good at this game and stuff. that said, it's weird that it happened right at the peak of suspicion for him (he just hammered mail-mi!) and, well, killing a mason seems to be a not-good idea. this leads me to an inkling that it is a bit of a personal lynch rather than an empirical one. who here has the most experience?
i haven't given any formalized reads yet. names accentuated in purple, which i think is allowed
kinda: ww(still, didn't reply to the thing that i said!), igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something), rr (hasn't bitten in the strategy/analysis of the board like the rest of us fish and has otherwise not really said much that i can remember, which is especially odd considering this post)
merits investigation:lalight (has said a hell of a lot, at least), joseph (has had some unfortunate votes (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg636500#msg636500), don't like his first vote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg633388#msg633388) in the context of my current one, below, but otherwise kinda whatever)
i'm okay with them rn: gkrieg (enduring attitude is 'get on it people!' and hasn't had really any bs. he did parrot the bad joseph vote. though, now that i think about it, it's sorta forgivable? faust did seem weird, and i really don't know how to read the mail-mi situation), space (smells like they have the same approach to the game that i do at the moment which is a plus, for me at least. i appreciate their effort to hammer out a few people [i.e., me and ww thus far] rather than comment on game state), j reggie (i was pretty fervently anti-him d1. don't really know what to think at the moment but i'm not really suspicious)
me: schadd (5 stars, would eat again)
faust: faust (the pledge thing would have probably maybe brought the actual mason out of the woodwork at this point. do other people care about what went on in the qt? i guess, is there any position ss took that he didn't post publicly?)
vote: roadrunner since i want him to be under the spotlight, he has maybe produced the least information combined with being kinda suspicious
at the time of this post, half of the rules post is a link to day 2.
so. i'm still very much suspicious of joseph, and i said yesterday that i was gonna vote for him. that said, he said that he was gonna be limited access and i only just noticed that now, so i guess that's on hold.
i am also content to
vote: ww
...since he has seemed pretty unhelpful and hasn't really responded to the several things space-a and i said
oh also i would still very very much like to put rr under some duress
hey, seems good a time as any.
i am sophie, the 1-shot doctor. i saved faust last night
WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last nighti think there is a small but perhaps non-trivial chance that ww is lying. in the case that the scums know that there are between 2 and 3 PRs, they might have elected to not use the strongman in order to gather information, and when faust didn't die (you're welcome, maybe) that was an all-clear that it is CEM and there are no vigilantes, and thus no-one to contest the vig thing. if anyone else knows they have they have a PR (esp. cop, since it can't explain faust's survival), then they will know this scenario to be impossible.
schadd: 1-shot doc, saved faust last night
in the case of 4-6 power roles, it gets more entropic (what with roleblockers and junk), and scum!ww might feel too uncertain about claiming vig (though i wouldn't be surprised if he had somewhat precise probablistic stuff that he wasn't willing to share).
these scenarios seem somewhat maybe unlikely; from my perspective (i.e., given MEC or so), the first one i think has a 1-in-8 chance, and the current situation that we're concocting to account for ww's claim seems, well, pretty hard to compute. which of these gets shaved off by occam's razor? this is the part where probability analysis would really help town and also be super boring.
pros, for ww's case: the breadcrumb definitely only helps his case. that said, i perhaps wouldn't put it past scum!him to do that just to see if it would become useful.
cons, for ww's case: he really seemed to skip past the part where he provided a lot of evidence for the claim (considering that there is nothing that happened N2 that would make more sense with a vig) and went right to the implications part. perhaps the fact that we have collectively been willing to accept ww's claim suggests that we do indeed have a bunch of folks with PRs.
maybe i as well didn't provide any evidence for my claim, but also, uh, read the parenthetical in the last paragraph. and i don't suppose people would have trouble believing me if i said that i sorta forgot about my medical degree until D2ish, which is why there aren't any breadcrumbs or anything.
also, crapcrud hecking heckfarts. roadrunner seemed so scummy. it is not doing me any favors that i was the first person to vote for the two lynches on their respective days
the one described above: 8%. not completely disjoint with the previous case, though, so maybe, like, 7%?that should say 'not disjoint with the following case'
there are probably several other such errors but i'm not reading that post again
anyway, i don't really suspect the anemone, at least as much as the rest of you seem to. D1 and 2 i think i'm on record as saying so, and today they've been trying to work through the probabilities &c (which is the way to go! see above).
one fun but very, very minor point against, though:If WW is a vig, he was almost certainly a lucky block by scum, because town has a rather low likelihood of having a RB, whereas scum is guaranteed one (since we know we have at least two non-T rolls in the setup).(emphasis added)
i would suspect the people currently on-wagon except i can imagine the position as town that want to push a seemingly obvious lynch (majorities are hard rn) and also not really concerned with probability, etc.
anyway, i currently don't have strong reads, sadly.
joseph has seemed yucky the whole game, but igu (and maybe others?) said early on that that's just the way he is. he called the claims into question which is a plus.
j reggie is the opinion of faust, and i reread j reggie and he has been defensive and snarky, but not really all that scummy, to me. that said, i'll sheep faust eventually if need be.
igu has also seemed hard for me to figure out. he is probably my biggest scumread atm, which isn't saying much, but i don't really like his attitude recently (emphasizing other people's town opinion on him, also seeming confident about the role situation without commenting on it much) but he has the same sort of opinions as me (excepting sa)
lalight is my other marginal read that is even more inarticulate. the last day, though, he has been working concretely at the board state stuff and also doubted ww's claim. don't like that he townread rr yesterday though
gkrieg was quite the townie to everyone d1 and d2. he has said some goofyish stuff today (or, rather, stuff that i didn't get) but the towniness still holds
ww is super hard to read. i really wouldn't put it past him at all to think to fake vig if it's MCDTTT
hi faust!
Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.can you, like, make a case at all? your D3 reads more scummy to me than his but maybe i'm confusing scummy with trumpy
Sorry if that is a condescending post but I found your insinuation that I am casting votes for no reason to be pretty damn insulting.what? you are maybe in the wrong thread.
and also perhaps i might find it insulting that you think i've been ignoring the wagon analysis but you know. that's not what we do here.
the thing that i had been more concerned about is how you seem to have a sense of urgency, and, like, seeming incredibly confident about your reads. but i dunno.
anyway, vote: j reggie
i should probably be sheeping faust, since there's nothing he knows that i don't know except for whether i'm scum, and also because it's weak reads & inexperience v. experience and a pretty strong point of evidence.
the other thing is that igu is the only one that has really looked into j reggie since faust's post, especially considering how important wagon analysis supposedly is (and that s-a isn't supported by any, it would seem). i'm complicit in that but you know.
ppe: yea. i also think sa should still claim, maybe. but the only roles left seem to be doctor (which shouldn't claim) and maybe, like, cop or something
I mean if we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip scum and then lynch me tomorrow it'll be lylo. If we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip town and then lynch me tomorrow we lose. If we lynch me today I'd recommend not insta-lynching SpaceAnemone tomorrow because it'll be lylo.argh, you keep doing that. you are currently trying to argue that you're town, so don't use the implications of you being town as evidence for you being town.#784: "Schadd townslips again and again" -- not really. And I'm still deeply suspicious that his first "townslip" was a set-up. I'm really suspicious of how LL and Joseph push the "schadd is townslipping argument" around here.i get how the first one (wherein i thought two people were supposed to die each night) might seem suspicious, given that it's kind of a weird assumption. however, this (https://youtu.be/DBXLUR9fsDs?t=24m25s) was the first mafia game that i watched, and as you can see, two people died each night (i linked it at the end of the first night.)
and as far as making up words (such as townslip), seriously read schadnd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16177.0). if you want, i can compile a list of the, like, 50 words that i made up.
i do think that it's a bit odd that joseph pointed them out in a positive light, though, uh three times. we're not masons but uh you knew that already.#1191: "Also, @Schadd and @Joseph, if you are to pick up out of those two, who do you vote?" -- I'm leaning towards a LaLight, Schadd & Joseph scumteam, though if so then this is quite brave.well, we were the two people that were neither voting for one of the main wagons nor the target of them at the time.
agree that lalight townreading rr but then shortly after putting him to l-1 seems pretty sus. he has seemed hasty and indecisive the whole time, but i'm not sure if that comes from being used to irl mafia.It's not that strong of a possibility that both you and J Reggie are both town.how are they conditional? a few people have been seemingly making that assumption
What has changed since this post?i have played about 50x more mafia since.
Do you have a math background?uh i haven't done enough education to say yes but, i mean, i do like math a good bit
Oh also schadd, you can use whatever color of text you want as long as it isn't invisible, and it isn't the color that the mod is currently using. I actually can't see the purple, so I would personally choose another color if you go to all that trouble. So just don't use maroon this game and you will be fine.hm. i'll use... navy, then
What has changed since this post?i have played about 50x more mafia since.Do you have a math background?uh i haven't done enough education to say yes but, i mean, i do like math a good bitOh also schadd, you can use whatever color of text you want as long as it isn't invisible, and it isn't the color that the mod is currently using. I actually can't see the purple, so I would personally choose another color if you go to all that trouble. So just don't use maroon this game and you will be fine.hm. i'll use... navy, then
yeah i usually have flux on which makes navy almost indistinguishable from black, and orange hard to read on white. blue is cool tho
oh, anyway, if you happen to be me, that post makes you a lot less suspicious of gkrieg; i don't think that people were unsuspicious enough of me for gkrieg to get townpoints for that (or, i suppose, unsuspicious of me at all). if you're me you're also very confident that joseph is scum. i'll try not to let that slip into rereads part 2.
Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.
Let's start a good wagon:
Vote: faust
Day 1 ends on September 17 at 2:20 a.m. forum time.
~2.5 days, we need to do more
Lynch list:
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on him, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
My preference for these 3 wagons is:
(Most wanted first)
faust
Mail-mi
JReggie
Faust isn't happening, and I really think JReggie is town.
More so than mail-mi
morning, everyone!It was obvious for scum to not kill faust.
vote: faust, I think.
Lynch list:
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on him, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Welp, my reads list doesn't look great.
Considering ss is town, and faust almost certainly is too
So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:/pledge
"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
Although hopefully we'll have more meaningful discussion than just sheep the IC
My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust. Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's.
Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust. That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.
Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.
Lynch list:Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
1.Witherweaver- null to mildly town
2.LaLight- lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6.Roadrunner7671- for the first time in forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMN0Cfh-aQ), don't think he's scum
7.Joseph2302- me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8.SpaceAnemone- mild town read on him, from very little content
9.J Reggie- trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11.iguanaiguana- mild town read
12.mail-mi- his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight
Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.
If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?
I didn't really want to vote for him, but he seemed like the least bad wagon.So what do you think scum did during yesterday's mislynch?probably voted for mail-mi, and ~manipulated~ other people into it. but, i mean, faust and silverspawn were on that boat, so probably not all three of the scums needed to be egging that basket, or something. and that checks out: two of the people in my kinda tier voted for him (you and joseph, though the fact that joseph is the one whom i'm worried about accidentally complicitly killing clouds things a bit).
so, socrates, what's your scoop? corrupted any children lately, like, for example, rr, in your mafia qt? does it smell bad cop in here or is it just me? etc.
My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
Why a vote on WW?Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.
And that wagon came quickly.
Doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad one.
PPE:1
Interesting.
So to sum up:
I think WW or gkrieg is scum
WW is voting gkrieg
Gkrieg thinks WW is town
Makes me think I was right, WW is scum
1. Witherweaver - scummy
2. LaLight - null
4. gkrieg13 - a little scummy
5. faust - IC
6. Roadrunner7671 - null
7. Joseph2302 - 100% town
8. SpaceAnemone - null to mildly towny
9. J Reggie - doesn't seem like scum!JReggie to me, so town
10. schadd - null to mildly towny
11. iguanaiguana - town
So my top 3 town reads would be ii, JReggie, Space
So, I'm kind of against mass claiming, as gives scum too much info.
And mafia must have a full strongman, thus faust must have been double protected last night.
We have no UB/ faust is the UB.
Claims:
WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last night
schadd: 1-shot doc, saved faust last night
One question: Do we think the claims are true?
I'm leaning towards yes, although Schadd's would be an easy scum fakeclaim.
here is another random thingSo Space is the lurker then- should vote him.
at the time of this post, this is the post count in this thread of the following people (including the sign-up ones, but those are negligible):
witherweaver: 151
faust: 125
j reggie: 111
lalight: 110
iguanaiguana: 98
gkrieg: 93
schaddio: 78
joseph: 74
spaceanemone: 59
Vote: Gkrieg
Reasonably scummyCan everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?
I would go for scummy, but not super scummy.
I do!I'll reread tomorrow, but either Space or JReggie seem like decent options to me.
Okay I think everyone knows that by now.
And given JReggies's intent to intent to hammer, think he might be scum looking to minimise information.
Residual remains of my D2 theory that one of WW or gkrieg was scum.So what are we at now? Looks like
SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (3): faust, Iguana, schadd
Not Voting (2): SpaceAnemone, J Reggie,
Why is Joseph voting for Gkrieg?
Ftfy
I don't remember either
Will need to catch up tomorrow, lots of things have been going on.
Will change vote after a proper reread.
In the meantime, Vote: LaLight for thinking I'm scummy.
In conclusion, I think that both JReggie and Space are scum, the JReggie post seems like obvious buddying to me.
I think Space looks worst, and he hasn't bothered to claim, so I'm going to vote for him. This will be L-1, but gkrieg has already said he's hammer either on L-1.
So, Vote: Space
L-1
But hmm, gkrieg is acting kind of weird too so IDK.
Guys I'm good.porquois?
And Gkrieg is bad.
There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
Guys I'm good.porquois?
And Gkrieg is bad.
There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.
There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.
There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
it's frenchGuys I'm good.porquois?
And Gkrieg is bad.
There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
Is this a word?
I'm a doctor.Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.
There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
You're all in trouble now.
So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.
Cool.
Vote: J Reggie
I'd support a flavor claim
I don't want to lynch Faust.. probably not Iguana. Probably not Schadd. Think I'd go for anyone else. I don't really remember what made me think J Reggie was scummy, but I trust six-day-ago me. He's a smart guy.
Sure I guess I'm okay with either
Vote: Mail-Mi
is probably L-1
I reread RR, that was a productive 17 seconds. Said nothing D1. Is lynchworthy.
I expected to find Space scummy, but didn't really when I reread. Posts feel somewhat honest, not really constructed.
This would be a dumb lynch.
I voted Gkrieg after rereading, for similar reasons that I voted Iguana. The Day 1 posts of both have a little bit of forced nonchalantness, something in particular scum tries to emulates.
Gkrieg is present Day 1 without ever doing a whole lot. A decent amount of criticizing/pseudodefending cases and not really making his own. Also the thing on Mail-Mi (which was his first active thing on D1)... putting at L-1, saying it wasn't the expected reaction. It's not like that can't be townie, but it felt a little forced, as if he was planning to not find Mail-Mi lynchworthy. (A hammer would have looked bad, but doing something regarding the wagon that does not result in a mislynch looks good.) Rest of day is similar; he comes back at the end to go for Mail-Mi, though prefers Faust.
Iguana has an overly 'I'm playing this game really cool and loose, guys' attitude. Lots of gratuitous punctuation. Pretty involved with the game, is pretty confident with his case on J Reggie.. reminds me of classical high-content scum, like how I played in my earlier scum games (maybe X-Men). I'm not so sure Iguana would play that way scum, though.
In both cases, I was curious to see if anything would result from voting, though they were both pretty much ignored. Saying more stuff may have been better, there.
Unvote
Don't really like Gkrieg any more.
No townreads are strong.. I think Gkrieg is town now, probably Schaad.. maybe Iguana for the third.
Fine.
I am a 1-shot Vig
(Note my first post of the game.)
I shot Space last night.
Either Space is 1-shot BP (not likely but not impossible, as we apparently have at least 4 PRs), or I was Roleblocked. Scum certainly has a Roleblocker, though I'm not too sure how likely it is that they would target me.
I forgot that town had Roleblockers, too. Town RB me would be more likely, given that I've been under suspicion.
I targeted Space primarily because of Faust's last posts yesterday.
(This is also the reason I prompted Faust to give his reads before end of day.) RR flipping town means I definitely had to shoot last night, because it would remove me from the lynch pool today. Also hitting scum was 50/50, not terrible odds. Shooting town means today would be LyLo, but I'd be verified and we'd have a decent chance. I'm not certain if I would have shot if RR was scum.. it would depend on reads probably, though it may have been better to save it until tonight.
Faust listed me, Space, Iguana as his primary scum in case RR was town, and Space seemed more likely than Iguana. I preferred to shoot on his reads, since the chance of Faust having no scum on his scum reads is pretty small. I also didn't have any really strong read myself to choose someone different.
I'm a doctor.Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.
There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
I know I've played crap, but Gkrieg is scum.
And I'm the true doctor.
hm
Game over?
hm
Game over?
I guess we will see. I'm pretty sure Joseph has to be scum.
hmI'm good.
Game over?
hmI'm good.
Game over?
That means game over I guess.
well. i don't think a scum would admit to it rn. but yeah, uh, gkrieg, who are your scumpartners
well. i don't think a scum would admit to it rn. but yeah, uh, gkrieg, who are your scumpartners
Clearly schadd and iguana.
woof.
hm
Game over?
hm
Game over?
This and then the backpedaling seems like ii is scum. Although I guess if that's the case then we just lost. vote: ii just in case.
Actually I was thinking earlier that gkrieg and Joseph could both be scum, in which case we still have a chance. Like, after this move gkrieg could practically be an IC. If Joseph flips scum, I think we need to lynch gkrieg.I'm town. Game over.
Actually I was thinking earlier that gkrieg and Joseph could both be scum, in which case we still have a chance. Like, after this move gkrieg could practically be an IC. If Joseph flips scum, I think we need to lynch gkrieg.I'm town. Game over.
Actually I was thinking earlier that gkrieg and Joseph could both be scum, in which case we still have a chance. Like, after this move gkrieg could practically be an IC. If Joseph flips scum, I think we need to lynch gkrieg.uh no. that's too much of a swing in the other direction.
okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.
Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.
39% for a letter to appear once
24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times
0,0064% to appear 6 times
I like schadd. I hope he sticks around.:)
see, this is what happens when you mislynch me day 1.done!
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gkrieg13 gets MVP for never drawing suspicion most of the game and a ridiculous fake claim.
so, gkrieg, i'm pretty sure i knew that 1398 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg644942#msg644942) was exaggerated and more of a public declaration that you were, like, trying to ally with me than a proper readpost (for example "good claim, good timing." what does that even mean), but i didn't think it was suspicious thusly (for some reason). what was your thought process there?
Mafia: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/q2DK6iaEtpwfM
gkrieg13 gets MVP for never drawing suspicion most of the game and a ridiculous fake claim.
Hey sometimes the more ridiculous the fakeclaim, the better.
Not really. The world as we loved it has ended...
Joseph was Granmamare, a Doctor.
J Reggie (Yubaba, The Godfather), LaLight (Eboshi, the 1-Shot Bulletproof Roleblocker), and gkrieg13 (Kushana, the Strongman Goon) win flawlessly!
Not really. The world as we loved it has ended...
Joseph was Granmamare, a Doctor.
J Reggie (Yubaba, The Godfather), LaLight (Eboshi, the 1-Shot Bulletproof Roleblocker), and gkrieg13 (Kushana, the Strongman Goon) win flawlessly!
Wait a second.. wasn't I adamant about lynching J Reggie and LaLight on Day 1? :(
Not really. The world as we loved it has ended...
Joseph was Granmamare, a Doctor.
J Reggie (Yubaba, The Godfather), LaLight (Eboshi, the 1-Shot Bulletproof Roleblocker), and gkrieg13 (Kushana, the Strongman Goon) win flawlessly!
Wait a second.. wasn't I adamant about lynching J Reggie and LaLight on Day 1? :(
Me too bro, me too.
Can't believe I got lynched
I'd call LaLight's opening to D4 a scumslip and go after him hard. I don't think townies think about the possible quickhammer in those terms that fast.
Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
Sorry I hadn't done this yet! I think gkrieg and J Reggie are up there. I'm still leaning very townie on LaLight...
Also very sorry SA. You were just the perfect mislynch target
Oh man, this was so hard but so interesting! Thank youo for game, everyone. Now I think, I won't be able to hide under my newbieness anymore. I was so glad being townread by most of the people. Thanks again! And thanks to my teammates too. My first scum game went well.
okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.
Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.Quote from: QTLalight39% for a letter to appear once
24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times
0,0064% to appear 6 times
okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.
Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.Quote from: QTLalight39% for a letter to appear once
24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times
0,0064% to appear 6 times
Also, where on earth did these numbers come from?? :-P
okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.
Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.Quote from: QTLalight39% for a letter to appear once
24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times
0,0064% to appear 6 times
Also, where on earth did these numbers come from?? :-P
What is wrong with the numbers? I spent the entire morning to count those!
okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.
Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.
I did not count T's, I knew there wasn't one.Quote from: QTLalight39% for a letter to appear once
24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times
0,0064% to appear 6 times
Also, where on earth did these numbers come from?? :-P
What is wrong with the numbers? I spent the entire morning to count those!
Different letters had different probabilities, for one thing! What you want to do to work numbers like these out is to use the Binomial distribution with n=6 rolls and set k to be the number of times you want that letter to appear. Then set p to be the probability of that letter appearing, which is 0.5 for T, 0.05 for C and D, and 0.1 for M, V, B and E.
Because of the weirdness with the "E" letters, there are a few game states that you can arrive at from multiple different letter roles, so what you probably care about more is the probability of having a doctor (or whichever role you're worried about) in the game.. there are just over 1900 different game states (I fudged my count a bit so that masons with and without using up the UB are counted separately), so that's a more complicated distribution to calculate, and you probably don't want to be doing it by hand :-)
Can't believe I got lynchedCan't believe you didn't use 1-shot cop N1 and target ss. That literally would have been so good.
why me?You were obvious N1 target. And I tried to save you.
And ffs, gkrieg was the strongman.
Should have stuck to my gut D2- I knew WW or Gkrieg had killed ss N1.
Most experienced players in the game.And ffs, gkrieg was the strongman.
Should have stuck to my gut D2- I knew WW or Gkrieg had killed ss N1.
I am still perplexed by this theory of yours. Why was it WW or me being scum?
you mean killed? I wasn't lynched.Yes
In case anyone didn't read the scum cutie yet - can you find my scumslip?i think i noticed it at the time and didn't care
I wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T
if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.
I don't know what is CfD. Wagon?
I actually also don't know what the letters stand forchinese fire drill
It means starting an out-of-nowhere wagon on someone close to the deadline and getting him lynched instead of the current wagons. Good if the current wagons aren't.