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[Galzria]

Unvote

I don’t anyway. Do you?

*sigh*

I do, actually. I'm the Squire.

Man, of course you are. It would be the world’s way of mocking me. 18 player game and it couldn’t be anybody else? 😢

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So... yeah. I would *prefer* to lynch faust here. Independent of him being my biggest scum read prior to claiming to be the Squire, I think the Squire is just more likely to be scum than the Master here.

But I don’t think a faust lynch will happen. Not that 3 hours isn’t long enough to swing the lunch there, but there won’t be 10 people willing to make it happen.

The question for me then becomes: Vote Cube, hope he’s scum and lose town!faust as a PR? Or vote Cube and if he flips Town hope that at least scum!faust loses his PR? Or go back to EFHW who I was scum reading before... and ignore the whole Cube/Faust situation.

Bleh. Need to think. Need a Coffee first. It’s 9:00am and I’ve been up since 4:30.

[faust]

faust, is this your order-independent ability, or are there more?

Also, you probably shouldn't answer this, but I don't know.

I acknowledge this question and choose to ignore it for now.

[faust]

It is worth noting that keeping your Watchers around is a good way to assure the continued survival of everyone's favorite IC.

[2.71828.....]

"Let me no longer hurt! Let me no longer weep! Dai-gonarthis! The Black Fisher holds my sorrow and consumes it!"

—Collected on Tanatesach 1173, 28 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed female street juggler.

Vote Count 1.10

chairs (1): Dylan32
hypercube (4): chairs, Rhand, jotheonah, EFHW
MiX (2): scolapasta, hypercube
EFHW (6): cayvie, faust, Uncleeurope, Jimmmmm, LaLight, WestCoastDidds {L-4}
Galzria (1): GreathallScout

Not Voting (4): Swowl, MiX, Glooble, Galzria

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 3:00pm FT on June 12, 2020. That's in about 3 hours.

[MiX]

Thanks E.

Welp. Don't blame if when EFHW flips town.

Vote: EFHW

faust, you better solve hypercube's alignment.

[faust]

faust, you better solve hypercube's alignment.

Working on it.

[Rhand]

It is worth noting that keeping your Watchers around is a good way to assure the continued survival of everyone's favorite IC.

Rolestopper, Ascetic-izer, Ninja, Bus Driver.

This is AtE.

[hypercube]

People who have played with MiX before, is he town?

[faust]

It is worth noting that keeping your Watchers around is a good way to assure the continued survival of everyone's favorite IC.

Rolestopper, Ascetic-izer, Ninja, Bus Driver.

This is AtE.

Okay, let me rephrase: It's a way to force scum to spend Stormlight if they want to kill the IC.

[Rhand]

It is worth noting that keeping your Watchers around is a good way to assure the continued survival of everyone's favorite IC.

Rolestopper, Ascetic-izer, Ninja, Bus Driver.

This is AtE.

Okay, let me rephrase: It's a way to force scum to spend Stormlight if they want to kill the IC.

I don’t think they were going to risk shooting there without using Stormlight.
Lynching cube eliminates two possible rolestoppers though.

[Galzria]

People who have played with MiX before, is he town?

He’s good at mirroring his Town meta as scum, and vice versa, so it’s difficult to say. He talks in absolutes and often states things as fact rather than opinion - and that opinion can change in a matter of back to back posts.

I think what you’re questioning regarding his playstyle is generally NAI for him. I have him on the scummier side of neutral this game, but don’t necessarily believe he’s scum as of yet.

[faust]

It is worth noting that keeping your Watchers around is a good way to assure the continued survival of everyone's favorite IC.

Rolestopper, Ascetic-izer, Ninja, Bus Driver.

This is AtE.

Okay, let me rephrase: It's a way to force scum to spend Stormlight if they want to kill the IC.

I don’t think they were going to risk shooting there without using Stormlight.
Lynching cube eliminates two possible rolestoppers though.

Lynching EFHW eliminates a possible Bus Driver!

[hypercube]

People who have played with MiX before, is he town?

He’s good at mirroring his Town meta as scum, and vice versa, so it’s difficult to say. He talks in absolutes and often states things as fact rather than opinion - and that opinion can change in a matter of back to back posts.

I think what you’re questioning regarding his playstyle is generally NAI for him. I have him on the scummier side of neutral this game, but don’t necessarily believe he’s scum as of yet.

Is engaging in a constant competition with himself to scumslip more AI?

[hypercube]

I'm serious, prior to the past few hours I had been trusting the people who know him better to police MiX

[Glooble]

I'm serious, prior to the past few hours I had been trusting the people who know him better to police MiX

My gut read on MiX says town, but a few specific interactions have said scum to me so I could honestly go either way.

[faust]

I'm going to be away now for the next ~2 hours, but I will be able to check in at least briefly before deadline.

[scolapasta]

OK, finally caught up on 7+ pages since last night.

Lots going on.

Re: my MiX "obsession" - I don't see it that way, mostly just I presented an argument, looking for good counter reasons, and all the counter reasons pointed out seemed not logically sound to me. So I wanted to point them out. That said, (and I have stated a few times) that the specific argument may itself be a red herring. I still think it, but I know it's not strong enough by itself for others.

OK, moving on, as we are 2+ hours from DL.

I had been leaning EFHW vs cube on the wagons (and may still get there), but I do like the idea of

vote: faust

So will second that one and see if others join in. If it doesn't build enough within the hour, will revisit my vote. I should be around for DL, assuming no work thing comes up.

[EFHW]

I'm at work, so only have a few seconds. I'm a willshaper.

What's your order's special power?

Redirector.

[chairs]

vote: efhw

[cayvie]

OK, finally caught up on 7+ pages since last night.

Lots going on.

Re: my MiX "obsession" - I don't see it that way, mostly just I presented an argument, looking for good counter reasons, and all the counter reasons pointed out seemed not logically sound to me. So I wanted to point them out. That said, (and I have stated a few times) that the specific argument may itself be a red herring. I still think it, but I know it's not strong enough by itself for others.

OK, moving on, as we are 2+ hours from DL.

I had been leaning EFHW vs cube on the wagons (and may still get there), but I do like the idea of

vote: faust

So will second that one and see if others join in. If it doesn't build enough within the hour, will revisit my vote. I should be around for DL, assuming no work thing comes up.

I would be willing to consider switching to faust. He's still in my scumreads, and it seems to me that lynching a Squire is not the worst, mechanically.

As, even in the situation where both hyper and faust are town, faust's powers are vulnerable to a kill on hypercube anyway.

Of course I still have bad memories of scum-EFHW combined with bus driving my vigshot on her from Falling Skies so I'm fine with that lynch as well. Lynching hypercube seems mechanically poor, since I don't have a scumread on him.

I would also not want to lynch: WCD, Rhand, Galzria, Jimmmmm, scolapasta. Or Glooble, obviously.

I would still want to lynch: GreatHallScout, but nobody wants to join me. Not opposed to a Dylan lynch if it comes down to that.

Others are meh lynches to me rn.

[hypercube]

OK, finally caught up on 7+ pages since last night.

Lots going on.

Re: my MiX "obsession" - I don't see it that way, mostly just I presented an argument, looking for good counter reasons, and all the counter reasons pointed out seemed not logically sound to me. So I wanted to point them out. That said, (and I have stated a few times) that the specific argument may itself be a red herring. I still think it, but I know it's not strong enough by itself for others.

OK, moving on, as we are 2+ hours from DL.

I had been leaning EFHW vs cube on the wagons (and may still get there), but I do like the idea of

vote: faust

So will second that one and see if others join in. If it doesn't build enough within the hour, will revisit my vote. I should be around for DL, assuming no work thing comes up.

Well, there goes the MiX wagon. vote: EFHW, L-1 I think

[EFHW]

vote: faust. Self-preservation, obviously.

[scolapasta]

I would be willing to consider switching to faust. He's still in my scumreads, and it seems to me that lynching a Squire is not the worst, mechanically.

As, even in the situation where both hyper and faust are town, faust's powers are vulnerable to a kill on hypercube anyway.

Of course I still have bad memories of scum-EFHW combined with bus driving my vigshot on her from Falling Skies so I'm fine with that lynch as well. Lynching hypercube seems mechanically poor, since I don't have a scumread on him.

I would also not want to lynch: WCD, Rhand, Galzria, Jimmmmm, scolapasta. Or Glooble, obviously.

I would still want to lynch: GreatHallScout, but nobody wants to join me. Not opposed to a Dylan lynch if it comes down to that.

Others are meh lynches to me rn.

Thanks for articulating this lynching squire thought - I wanted to get the vote out there ASAP, in case it can build, but yes, the fact that it was one of my scum reads and that lynching the squire is not so bad. i.e. if they're both town, what's to stop scum from NKing cube to get rid of two sets of powers.

I'll admit I'm not quite sure I accept the role of the squire as presented though, my guess is there's more to it.

Re: GHS - I could get on board, but I don't think that builds like faust could.

[cayvie]

I'm at work, so only have a few seconds. I'm a willshaper.

What's your order's special power?

Redirector.

Is your rolemame "cayvie's nightmare"

[Rhand]

I would join a GHS wagon.
I don’t think faust is mafia.