For those who don't speak Euro, that's $3.15 a month for Gold plus the transaction fee of 36 cents each time you play.I read it as this and nearly got a heart attack.
When a new expansion comes out, do we have to make a new subscription to get that or is it included in "Gold"?
If a new expansion comes out, do we have to make a new subscription to get that or is it included in "Gold"?
Example
Suppose you had all sets on Making Fun, which was everything except for Empires. But you'd also want to play with Empires in 2017.
You purchase the Gold subscription and are only paying for the difference, which is 3 * 0.005 * 365 = 5.47.
Add the transaction fee of 0.35 and possibly VAT.
Will you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?
Mine was a serious question. At the checkout, will it tell you the cost is 10 euros, or will you get the choice of e.g. 10 euros, $10, or £9.50. Because credit card fee is like another 2% for meWill you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?
How do these prices convert to Galleons, Sickles and Knuts?
For every transaction you will have to pay a transaction fee of 0.35.
Subscriptions always start immediately, and you subscribe for at least one month.
On Jan 1st the Gold variant costs 0.10 per day, and Silver costs 0.07 per day.
For every transaction you will have to pay a transaction fee of 0.35.
Subscriptions always start immediately, and you subscribe for at least one month.
On Jan 1st the Gold variant costs 0.10 per day, and Silver costs 0.07 per day.
Will we be able to subscribe for, say, a year at a time to minimize transaction fees?
Seems to say yes you can pick as many days as you want. And the transaction fee encourages people to sign up for a year rather than a month, as you save 3.85/yr by doing 1 transaction instead of 12.For every transaction you will have to pay a transaction fee of 0.35.
Subscriptions always start immediately, and you subscribe for at least one month.
On Jan 1st the Gold variant costs 0.10 per day, and Silver costs 0.07 per day.
Will we be able to subscribe for, say, a year at a time to minimize transaction fees?
That seems very heavily implied by the OP, yes.
Can we get prices in USD? Where are you guys based?
Has that plan changed? Is everything just a subscription now? Does the subscription get you the offline play with the AI?
On January 1st 2017 we'll go live with our web version of Dominion Online. Our first priority now is to get that up & running smoothly. Once we have that in place we'll continue working on dedicated clients and Dominion Offline, but that certainly won't be released early in 2017.
The main problem I see with this, is that you could have people insist on being able to cancel their subscription every day they don't use it, hence the money being spent automatically if it's available thing.I think you could have a 30 days notice and it becomes clear that you can't just subscribe on a day to day basis.
If you have a subscription, you will be able to invite others to play with those cards; also when they don't have a subscription.
Probably the client will default to a currency supported in your location, or to a choice of major currencies (for Ozle, if they decide not to support the Tuvaluan Dollar)*.
*Yes, I know that the Tuvaluan Dollar is equivalent to the Australian Dollar but I'm trying to be amusing so bear with me.
Can we get prices in USD? Where are you guys based?
1 Euro is, as of today, 1.045 USD. So basically pretend all the prices are USD and add 5%.
QE, Greece, Brexit... and FOMC just raised the FFR yesterday. They actually expect 3 rate hikes next year... so we may be looking at EUR/USD parity in the new year.
Can we get prices in USD? Where are you guys based?
1 Euro is, as of today, 1.045 USD. So basically pretend all the prices are USD and add 5%.
Good thing Thief is gone so no one can steal your subscription.
EDIT: except for Noble Brigands, that is.
Good thing Thief is gone so no one can steal your subscription.
EDIT: except for Noble Brigands, that is.
That's why we need a Platinum subscription.
Good thing Thief is gone so no one can steal your subscription.
EDIT: except for Noble Brigands, that is.
That's why we need a Platinum subscription.
Bandit and Pirate Ship would still be able to trash it, though it would be protected from Knights, Giants, Rogues and Warriors.
Alright, since no one has asked it yet, I'll be that guy...
When will I be able to purchase a Platinum subscription?
That reminds me of this awesome Dominion meme:---
To read the rest of this post, you must become a DominionStrategy Platinum Member: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=50
it's actually, of course, found here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16679.msg661756 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=50)Alright, since no one has asked it yet, I'll be that guy...
When will I be able to purchase a Platinum subscription?
You can become a platinum member here:That reminds me of this awesome Dominion meme:
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To read the rest of this post, you must become a DominionStrategy Platinum Member: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=50 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=50)
For those who don't speak Euro, that's $3.15 a month for Gold plus the transaction fee of 36 cents each time you pay.
All of this is extremely reasonable and fair; I'm particularly happy that free play still exists and that you can play with friends. Thanks!
Can i get a copper subscription?Copper is free, so that would be the Base Set.
Will the system automatically calculate how much I will need to pay in 2017? I can't quite remember which sets I owned before I switched to the subscription system on MF. :P
Upgrading
While the price for buying is very straightforward, the price for upgrading is a little more complicated.
The client will just show you the price when you're about to buy, but for the curious here is how it works under the hood:
Will you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?
What's P? £?Will you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?
Nope, just $ and P.
What's P? £?Will you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?
Nope, just $ and P.
I'm fine with being able to pay in $, as £ and $ don't cost be a transaction fee on my credit card
What's P? £?Will you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?
Nope, just $ and P.
I'm fine with being able to pay in $, as £ and $ don't cost be a transaction fee on my credit card
Let me explain the joke. P is Potion :)
Originally you announced there would be two models: Subscription to play online against other players, and 1-off payments to "buy" the sets for offline play against AIs. Goko spend could be allocated to either buying the off-line product, or giving you free subscriptions for a period of time.
Has that plan changed? Is everything just a subscription now? Does the subscription get you the offline play with the AI?
There haven't been any changes announced. Stef has said elsewhere that offline won't be available until later in 2017, so that pricing presumably won't be revealed until it is nearly available.On January 1st 2017 we'll go live with our web version of Dominion Online. Our first priority now is to get that up & running smoothly. Once we have that in place we'll continue working on dedicated clients and Dominion Offline, but that certainly won't be released early in 2017.
* We're going live on January 1st with Dominion Online. Dominion offline will go live "somewhere" in 2017.
* When Dominion Offline does go live, the group of people with the free subscription will get the option to transfer it to offline.
* The product will never be finished, neither online or offline. We will just continue developing full time in 2017.
- online will be running in a browser after all. Updating it will go automatically.
- offline you will be allowed to download the newest version for as long as we make them.
Off course there will be no need to actually update, because you're not connecting to any other computers, but you might want to, because we probably added some features and fixed some bugs.
* You will be able to buy expansions for Dominion Offline.
* We will show the status of the online client with a couple of streamed games on december 10th.
Will you accept Bitcoin? :)
If you "owned" any expansions on Making Fun, you will get a subscription to those expansions for free in 2017.
That's more or less correct.If you "owned" any expansions on Making Fun, you will get a subscription to those expansions for free in 2017.
I'm glad to hear that our purchases will be honored for 2017... But does this imply that this won't be the case past 2017?
That's more or less correct.If you "owned" any expansions on Making Fun, you will get a subscription to those expansions for free in 2017.
I'm glad to hear that our purchases will be honored for 2017... But does this imply that this won't be the case past 2017?
That's more or less correct.If you "owned" any expansions on Making Fun, you will get a subscription to those expansions for free in 2017.
I'm glad to hear that our purchases will be honored for 2017... But does this imply that this won't be the case past 2017?
That's more or less completely terrible.
That's more or less correct.If you "owned" any expansions on Making Fun, you will get a subscription to those expansions for free in 2017.
I'm glad to hear that our purchases will be honored for 2017... But does this imply that this won't be the case past 2017?
That's more or less completely terrible.
That's more or less correct.If you "owned" any expansions on Making Fun, you will get a subscription to those expansions for free in 2017.
I'm glad to hear that our purchases will be honored for 2017... But does this imply that this won't be the case past 2017?
That's more or less completely terrible.
Well, it _is_ terrible that Goko/MF did not make it clear that they would no longer be able to provide the service once their license expired. ShuffleIT is obviously not at fault because of having nothing to do with that, but blaming Goko/MF seems fair to me.
(Personally, I bought into Goko with the expectation that it might go out of business in a year or two, so by making it all the way to license expiry, it exceeded that bar.)
Oh wow, it is so nice to hear that these two are making a new online dominion service. Maybe I should take up the hobby again.
Oh wow, it is so nice to hear that these two are making a new online dominion service. Maybe I should take up the hobby again.
Oh wow, it is so nice to hear that these two are making a new online dominion service. Maybe I should take up the hobby again.
Well you *do* need a hobby...
Oh wow, it is so nice to hear that these two are making a new online dominion service. Maybe I should take up the hobby again.
Well you *do* need a hobby...
Are you suggesting I give cookie clicker another chance?
Oh wow, it is so nice to hear that these two are making a new online dominion service. Maybe I should take up the hobby again.
Well you *do* need a hobby...
Are you suggesting I give cookie clicker another chance?
Oh wow, it is so nice to hear that these two are making a new online dominion service. Maybe I should take up the hobby again.
Well you *do* need a hobby...
Are you suggesting I give cookie clicker another chance?
Actually, I believe the new online Dominion service is going to be Dominion Clicker.
Every time you click on Scout you get 7 quintillion Zaps.
Scout
Providing pricing in the end users currency would be good - I'm personally unhappy about the pricing model as it becomes _so expensive_ (I'm In Australia, with current exchange rate the $3 a month price actually equals almost $5 a month AUD so over $50 a year)
Considering the pricings for other countries (there are a LOT of other nationalities playing then just europe) and how that compares to their home currency / average incomes etc would be a good idea.
I can _deal_ with $50 a year, but I'd be concerned about countries who don't have amazing exhange rates with the euro who also have a lower average annual income, this would be effectively excluding them from playing.
That's more or less correct.If you "owned" any expansions on Making Fun, you will get a subscription to those expansions for free in 2017.
I'm glad to hear that our purchases will be honored for 2017... But does this imply that this won't be the case past 2017?
That's more or less completely terrible.
Well, of course you are entitled to your opinion. If you had suffered through the current botched implementation from the start you might have a different view of things (I'm assuming that you are a relative new comer).
I for one am very happy to see the end of the misbegotten abomination that started as Goko Dominion and morphed into Making Fun Dominion. Although after years of development it had finally reached "playable" it never got anywhere near being a pleasure to play. I'm looking forward to the new version and if it is as good as I hope/expect I won't mind paying for it at all.
PS. The rights and wrongs of having to pay for a new implementation of Dominion if you want to keep playing Dominion Online after the year have been rehashed in several other threads - not saying you can't raise it again - just explaining why it may not generate much discussion.
I think it's pretty normal to sell digital goods & services for different prices depending on region. The reason you do it is that the profit-maximizing price may be different depending on region, such as because of different price sensitivity. ($3/month may not sound expensive in the US/EU/etc., but it may be pretty expensive in developing countries.)Providing pricing in the end users currency would be good - I'm personally unhappy about the pricing model as it becomes _so expensive_ (I'm In Australia, with current exchange rate the $3 a month price actually equals almost $5 a month AUD so over $50 a year)
Considering the pricings for other countries (there are a LOT of other nationalities playing then just europe) and how that compares to their home currency / average incomes etc would be a good idea.
I can _deal_ with $50 a year, but I'd be concerned about countries who don't have amazing exhange rates with the euro who also have a lower average annual income, this would be effectively excluding them from playing.
I... have never heard of a company doing this. It would be a good way of losing money, I guess?
I think it's pretty normal to sell digital goods & services for different prices depending on region. The reason you do it is that the profit-maximizing price may be different depending on region, such as because of different price sensitivity. ($3/month may not sound expensive in the US/EU/etc., but it may be pretty expensive in developing countries.)Providing pricing in the end users currency would be good - I'm personally unhappy about the pricing model as it becomes _so expensive_ (I'm In Australia, with current exchange rate the $3 a month price actually equals almost $5 a month AUD so over $50 a year)
Considering the pricings for other countries (there are a LOT of other nationalities playing then just europe) and how that compares to their home currency / average incomes etc would be a good idea.
I can _deal_ with $50 a year, but I'd be concerned about countries who don't have amazing exhange rates with the euro who also have a lower average annual income, this would be effectively excluding them from playing.
I... have never heard of a company doing this. It would be a good way of losing money, I guess?
You can do this without losing money because not all of the $3/month is used to pay server costs. Making up numbers, imagine that $0.10/month goes to server upkeep and the remaining $2.90/month is used to pay for continuing development (and kept as profit if that cost is met). Then you can price anywhere up of $0.10/month without losing money on the servers, and you just need to make sure that over your entire userbase (which includes all regions, not just the poor ones), you make enough to pay for development.
Making fun had only a limited license, period. They pretended that wasn't the case but it was clear from the beginning that they cannot actually promise to offer anything beyond that date. They didn't make it clear when selling you your product, but as a matter of fact you didn't buy lifetime rights to use that cards. They just pretended that would be the case.
I've been playing since somewhere around 10/2014. I haven't been around since the beginning, obviously, but I wouldn't call myself a newcomer either.
I'm not really sure, though, why the money I spent on buying a flawed product means that when the company who relicenses the product gets to sell it to me a second time without letting me continue to use the old product. I can see a few valid arguments if they want to push me towards buying in on their new game:
- Don't let me have anything in the new game, but let me continue to play on the old version.
- Let me play with the old cards on the new version, but completely block me from using new cards if I don't buy a full subscription
But the idea of licensing a company to sell a product and then taking that product away with a gesture isn't really what I would consider fair play.
Providing pricing in the end users currency would be good - I'm personally unhappy about the pricing model as it becomes _so expensive_ (I'm In Australia, with current exchange rate the $3 a month price actually equals almost $5 a month AUD so over $50 a year)
Considering the pricings for other countries (there are a LOT of other nationalities playing then just europe) and how that compares to their home currency / average incomes etc would be a good idea.
I can _deal_ with $50 a year, but I'd be concerned about countries who don't have amazing exhange rates with the euro who also have a lower average annual income, this would be effectively excluding them from playing.
Ok, I play with my three boys, we paid our dues and now play for free.
I have all the expansions, they do not.
Australians should be paying more to play Dominion!!!
So, We have two with multiple expansions, three without (wife) (I saw a 10 euro price somewhere)
What is the cost for me to play with my wife and three sons?
So, We have two with multiple expansions, three without (wife) (I saw a 10 euro price somewhere)
What is the cost for me to play with my wife and three sons?
Nothing in 2017 (to play with the expansions you already have) and 3/month (to play with the expansions that currently exist) after that.
So, We have two with multiple expansions, three without (wife) (I saw a 10 euro price somewhere)
What is the cost for me to play with my wife and three sons?
So, We have two with multiple expansions, three without (wife) (I saw a 10 euro price somewhere)
What is the cost for me to play with my wife and three sons?
Nothing in 2017 (to play with the expansions you already have) and 3/month (to play with the expansions that currently exist) after that.
So, We have two with multiple expansions, three without (wife) (I saw a 10 euro price somewhere)
What is the cost for me to play with my wife and three sons?
Nothing in 2017 (to play with the expansions you already have) and 3/month (to play with the expansions that currently exist) after that.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT DO I PAY FOR MY WIFE, SON 1, SON2, SON 3?????? WHO JUST HAVE THE BASIC SET?
So, We have two with multiple expansions, three without (wife) (I saw a 10 euro price somewhere)
What is the cost for me to play with my wife and three sons?
Nothing in 2017 (to play with the expansions you already have) and 3/month (to play with the expansions that currently exist) after that.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT DO I PAY FOR MY WIFE, SON 1, SON2, SON 3?????? WHO JUST HAVE THE BASIC SET?
So, what does my son pay, what does my wife pay? Also nothing?
So, what does my son pay, what does my wife pay? Also nothing?
Man, they're giving you, essentially, 40 bucks. I think that's pretty much the opposite of terrible, given they never saw any of the money that went to MF.
Man, they're giving you, essentially, 40 bucks. I think that's pretty much the opposite of terrible, given they never saw any of the money that went to MF.
Sure, they didn't but Jay and Donald hopefully did (unless MF/Goko screwed them over totally). Didn't Donald say that earlier purchases would be honored? They could just say to ShuffleIT, "we won't demand royalties on the expansions people already paid for in earlier incarnations of Dominion Online".
I don't play nearly enough to justify a subscription cost. I would pay the price of, say, a good full price Steam game, for a new implementation of Dominion. But it sucks to have to pay for the licenses all over again.
This business model is screaming "casual players not wanted!". Apropos steam games, my library of little-played/unplayed steam games suggests that casual-hostile pricing policies may not be the best policy.
(unless MF/Goko screwed them over totally)
Man, they're giving you, essentially, 40 bucks. I think that's pretty much the opposite of terrible, given they never saw any of the money that went to MF.
Sure, they didn't but Jay and Donald hopefully did (unless MF/Goko screwed them over totally). Didn't Donald say that earlier purchases would be honored? They could just say to ShuffleIT, "we won't demand royalties on the expansions people already paid for in earlier incarnations of Dominion Online".
I don't play nearly enough to justify a subscription cost. I would pay the price of, say, a good full price Steam game, for a new implementation of Dominion. But it sucks to have to pay for the licenses all over again.
This business model is screaming "casual players not wanted!". Apropos steam games, my library of little-played/unplayed steam games suggests that casual-hostile pricing policies may not be the best policy.
I agree with this. I play sometimes, but it is a lot to spend if I play rarely.
Man, they're giving you, essentially, 40 bucks. I think that's pretty much the opposite of terrible, given they never saw any of the money that went to MF.
Sure, they didn't but Jay and Donald hopefully did (unless MF/Goko screwed them over totally).
Alright, since no one has asked it yet, I'll be that guy...Potion subscription is where it's it, but that's only good for a few cards!
When will I be able to purchase a Platinum subscription?
Alright, since no one has asked it yet, I'll be that guy...Potion subscription is where it's it, but that's only good for a few cards!
When will I be able to purchase a Platinum subscription?
Man, they're giving you, essentially, 40 bucks. I think that's pretty much the opposite of terrible, given they never saw any of the money that went to MF.
Sure, they didn't but Jay and Donald hopefully did (unless MF/Goko screwed them over totally). Didn't Donald say that earlier purchases would be honored? They could just say to ShuffleIT, "we won't demand royalties on the expansions people already paid for in earlier incarnations of Dominion Online".
I don't play nearly enough to justify a subscription cost. I would pay the price of, say, a good full price Steam game, for a new implementation of Dominion. But it sucks to have to pay for the licenses all over again.
This business model is screaming "casual players not wanted!". Apropos steam games, my library of little-played/unplayed steam games suggests that casual-hostile pricing policies may not be the best policy.
I agree with this. I play sometimes, but it is a lot to spend if I play rarely.
I dont believe you can buy less than a month at a time.