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[Swowl]

phone quoting sorry. you get it though.

[O]

obviously confirm teprocs claim

have a couple soft hints but nothing substantial

pretty sure poisoner is a broken role and Robz did not correctly balance around it.

[O]

I'm just saying:

1 VT mislynch
1 SK lynch
1 Mafia lynch

== Lylo is pretty bullshit

[Eevee]

It's going to be all the more glorious when we pull this off.

[Eevee]

Okay, I'll kick us off.

I have a result on Space. I think they should claim first.

[O]

The case against Galzria:

Mafia have the most likelihood and tools to be able to fish out the incorrect LaLight claim.
Once Galzria knew with relative confidence that LL incorrectly claimed role, the VT-ness of claiming candidate is a somewhat free grab since he can guess with decent probably that the SK will be dead.
Galzria looks much scummier in retrospect than he did at the time with the Poisoner/II debate, as he was pretty effectively setting up the non-poisoner-but-scum lynch multiple days in.

Shoulda listened to Teproc.


PPE: Have to think about Eevees claim, but please no claiming until we have an established order

[O]

We're in LyLo

2 minutes after flip. Possible for town-Galz to have pre-calculated this all, but scum Galz definitely would have.

[Swowl]

I'm just saying:

1 VT mislynch
1 SK lynch
1 Mafia lynch

== Lylo is pretty bullshit

I mean it sucks to be here, but also let's not get discouraged. If we happen to Lynch a Skum Poisoner today, then the last poison happens tomorrow so that would put us up at 5-2. We could still pull out of this!

[Galzria]

We're in LyLo

2 minutes after flip. Possible for town-Galz to have pre-calculated this all, but scum Galz definitely would have.

Scum Galz would've known it. Town Galz would've calculated it.

[Galzria]

The case against Galzria:

Mafia have the most likelihood and tools to be able to fish out the incorrect LaLight claim.
Once Galzria knew with relative confidence that LL incorrectly claimed role, the VT-ness of claiming candidate is a somewhat free grab since he can guess with decent probably that the SK will be dead.
Galzria looks much scummier in retrospect than he did at the time with the Poisoner/II debate, as he was pretty effectively setting up the non-poisoner-but-scum lynch multiple days in.

Shoulda listened to Teproc.


PPE: Have to think about Eevees claim, but please no claiming until we have an established order

Teproc himself admitted the case to be moot if Iguana was scum.

Regardless, Yes, you're correct that scum would've had more tools to figure out LL's claim was inaccurate. But I had enough knowing just my bid.

Your follow up argument doesn't logically follow however. LaLight made a mistake with his claim. If I'm Mafia, I know it to be simply that - and not a mixed up claim with a partner. Given that, I would have no indication that LaLight was the SK. As it happens that Gkrieg was also town, it's entirely possible that town!LaLight jailed SK Gkrieg. Or that town!LaLight effectively doctored town!Gkrieg. There would be no guarantee or likelihood of the SK being dead at all.

The last point is also moot. I could've stood by iguana or not. It was completely clear to anybody that regardless of my view, a Poisoner Kill was going to result in an iguana lynch. Arguing that I facilitated this or created it is simply inaccurate.

[Teproc]

Ok, so we ask for people to full claim (including bid, draft order and results) in this order

Space
Eevee
Galz
faust
Qvist
DatSwan
e
RR

[Galzria]

That said, I tentatively believe O/Teproc - providing mainly that somebody:

A) Doesn't counter claim them
B) Doesn't claim to have taken the Barracks

Scum -can't- take Masons. So the only way scum knows that's a safe claim is if they succeeded in taking Bomb (not the best scum role), or saw Mason in the Barracks and knew it wasn't chosen.

O/Teproc, did you get the bid from the slot, or the Barracks?

[Teproc]

If you really strongly feel than you don't want to claim results, claim all the rest and we can decide if we want results now or not. But most likely we do.

PPE: Don't think we're answering that, sorry.

[O]

That said, I tentatively believe O/Teproc - providing mainly that somebody:

A) Doesn't counter claim them
B) Doesn't claim to have taken the Barracks

Scum -can't- take Masons. So the only way scum knows that's a safe claim is if they succeeded in taking Bomb (not the best scum role), or saw Mason in the Barracks and knew it wasn't chosen.

O/Teproc, did you get the bid from the slot, or the Barracks?

I don't think we need to answer that because in LYLO you only need to believe us more than you believe at least one other person. And I'd be hard pressed to think that isn't the case. So it's most beneficial for us to withhold all information.

[Eevee]

I'm good with the claim order.

[2.71828.....]

Actually, let's get started with I'm a Mason with [REDACTED for now]. I'll reread the thread soon and if everyone is fine with that, we'll come up with a claiming order.

I saw this, haven't read anything else after.

First thought: Yes!! Fake mason claim!
Next thought: I really hope he is actually a mason.

[Swowl]

I think we need to be weary of how much power we give the "masons" before they are verified, but I am good with the claim concept at this point

[O]

I think we need to be weary of how much power we give the "masons" before they are verified, but I am good with the claim concept at this point

To reiterate my point to Galzria:

We're in LYLO. You don't have to fully trust that we didn't fakeclaim mason. The threshold is if you trust us more than you trust other people.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm fine with the order but I didn't realize I was towny enough to go last.

[O]

I'm fine with the order but I didn't realize I was towny enough to go last.

This is actually M100 and I'm so 100% confident that you're scum that it'd be pointless to make you claim earlier.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm fine with the order but I didn't realize I was towny enough to go last.

This is actually M100 and I'm so 100% confident that you're scum that it'd be pointless to make you claim earlier.

Wait are you serious?

[O]

I'm fine with the order but I didn't realize I was towny enough to go last.

This is actually M100 and I'm so 100% confident that you're scum that it'd be pointless to make you claim earlier.

Wait are you serious?

No.

[O]

But overall there's not so much benefit for me or Teproc to put things in here over mason QT, so you don't get to know our reasons. I probably should have kept the Galz suspicion in there aswell..

[Galzria]

Actually.

According to Robz in /m45 of the Mafia QT prior to the reroll: Mafia will know what shows up in the Randoms regardless of whether or not they got the slot.

So, possibilities:

O/Tep are Scum:
- Scum went for and received Bomb, know Mason didn't appear in Random
- Scum went for and received Random, saw Mason there
- Scum saw Masons in the Random slots, along with a role now deceased, making it a safe claim

O/Tep are Town:
- Went for and received Mason from slot
- Went for Random and found Mason there

Both Town options are possible. The first and third scum options aren't terribly likely. The second is possible though.

[Roadrunner7671]

Well a town bomb probably would've said something