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[Jimmmmm]

I am in fact alive. And Town.

Nothing LL has said today has made me think he is more Towny, or that Eevee is more scummy.

[Roadrunner7671]

I am in fact alive. And Town.

Nothing LL has said today has made me think he is more Towny, or that Eevee is more scummy.

So who do you want to lynch?

[O]

Vote: LL

[Jimmmmm]

I am in fact alive. And Town.

Nothing LL has said today has made me think he is more Towny, or that Eevee is more scummy.

So who do you want to lynch?

At this stage LL, Qvist and Galz are at the top of my list, in some order.

[Galzria]

I am in fact alive. And Town.

Nothing LL has said today has made me think he is more Towny, or that Eevee is more scummy.

So who do you want to lynch?

At this stage LL, Qvist and Galz are at the top of my list, in some order.

Care to elaborate? Note that Galz was the one that twice (first yesterday, and then today) called LL out and forced the retraction.

[Jimmmmm]

Care to elaborate? Note that Galz was the one that twice (first yesterday, and then today) called LL out and forced the retraction.

Not yet. At some point in the next couple of days I'll re-read all three players mentioned.

[Galzria]

Care to elaborate? Note that Galz was the one that twice (first yesterday, and then today) called LL out and forced the retraction.

Not yet. At some point in the next couple of days I'll re-read all three players mentioned.

Coolio

[Galzria]

 Point in LL's favor:

If town,  it's entirely possible mafia knew he had messed up his claim based on their own positions, and figured him for a dead man walking once any claiming exercise began. The chances of Town!LL messing with them at this point in the game would be slim enough to risk not killing him.

[Galzria]

LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

[Galzria]

I guess what gets me is that yes, the above could be true. And if it is, that really sucks. But if I were in LL's shoes here I would've been arguing with me (Galzria) about the statement regarding the unlikeliness of his claim being true. But he didn't. He completely ignored my statement yesterday and then again today. And now it turns out it WASN'T true. Further, if I were in LL's shoes, I would've woken up today trying to reason why I was alive. But that barely seemed to phase him. He almost seemed surprised to be asked about it. Now, there are a lot of reasons he could've been left alive: {scum knew his claim was false} - He didn't seem to care to check this. {He was blocked at night} - never appeared to cross his mind. He's assumed at every point that his jail was successful. {Redirector}  - Also never considered, despite plenty of talk D1. {WIFOM} - The easy argument that serves no helpful purpose.

There are just so many things wrong with this that I have a hard time reconciling these things coming from town!LL.

[faust]

I can like literally see no reason why skum would not kill at night.

I can like literally see at least one reason.

Share please?

Town Redirector? Also, Watcher. I mean this is pretty basic stuff.

[faust]

Oh! It's 14, guys

I'm not sure I get the scum narrative for claiming a wrong number. The position would still have to be one that scum knows is free, so either his or the one of a scum partner. I am quite sure that this was a genuine mistiake.

On the other hand, town just picks a number and that's it, whereas for scum there is probably some discussion to be had. Messing up the claim is easier there. Messing up the claim of a scum partner is even easier as there are two potential origins - the scum partner has to announce his bid in the scum QT, and LaLight has to copy it from there.

Vote: LaLight for now. I believe we should here about tonight's target soon given the circumstances.

[LaLight]

Morning!

Gkrieg was my target.

[faust]

Morning!

Gkrieg was my target.

Why?

[LaLight]

Morning!

Gkrieg was my target.

Why?

I scumread him and I thought that if he is town, there is non-zero probability he will be a scum kill, so this served 2 purposes

[faust]

Morning!

Gkrieg was my target.

Why?

I scumread him and I thought that if he is town, there is non-zero probability he will be a scum kill, so this served 2 purposes

And you are voting Eevee instead why?

[LaLight]

Morning!

Gkrieg was my target.

Why?

I scumread him and I thought that if he is town, there is non-zero probability he will be a scum kill, so this served 2 purposes

And you are voting Eevee instead why?

I wanted to check how many people will jump on Eevee instantly because they would believe I targeted him. Scum knows alignments.

vote: gkrieg

[faust]

Point in LL's favor:

If town,  it's entirely possible mafia knew he had messed up his claim based on their own positions, and figured him for a dead man walking once any claiming exercise began. The chances of Town!LL messing with them at this point in the game would be slim enough to risk not killing him.

I don't know that this is in his favor. Yes, if LaLight is town, scum could have a good reason to keep him alive. BUt if he is scum, they of course have a reason to keep him alive as well, so him being alive is not indicative of anything.

[Galzria]

Point in LL's favor:

If town,  it's entirely possible mafia knew he had messed up his claim based on their own positions, and figured him for a dead man walking once any claiming exercise began. The chances of Town!LL messing with them at this point in the game would be slim enough to risk not killing him.

I don't know that this is in his favor. Yes, if LaLight is town, scum could have a good reason to keep him alive. BUt if he is scum, they of course have a reason to keep him alive as well, so him being alive is not indicative of anything.

It's "in his favor" in that it's a better explanation than the one he gave.

[faust]

Point in LL's favor:

If town,  it's entirely possible mafia knew he had messed up his claim based on their own positions, and figured him for a dead man walking once any claiming exercise began. The chances of Town!LL messing with them at this point in the game would be slim enough to risk not killing him.

I don't know that this is in his favor. Yes, if LaLight is town, scum could have a good reason to keep him alive. BUt if he is scum, they of course have a reason to keep him alive as well, so him being alive is not indicative of anything.

It's "in his favor" in that it's a better explanation than the one he gave.

I suppose. But the "LaLight is alive means he must be scum" argument was nonsense to begin with.

[O]

Point in LL's favor:

If town,  it's entirely possible mafia knew he had messed up his claim based on their own positions, and figured him for a dead man walking once any claiming exercise began. The chances of Town!LL messing with them at this point in the game would be slim enough to risk not killing him.

I don't know that this is in his favor. Yes, if LaLight is town, scum could have a good reason to keep him alive. BUt if he is scum, they of course have a reason to keep him alive as well, so him being alive is not indicative of anything.

It's "in his favor" in that it's a better explanation than the one he gave.

I suppose. But the "LaLight is alive means he must be scum" argument was nonsense to begin with.

Is this the thread where we solidly debunk theories that nobody ever proposed?

[Galzria]

Point in LL's favor:

If town,  it's entirely possible mafia knew he had messed up his claim based on their own positions, and figured him for a dead man walking once any claiming exercise began. The chances of Town!LL messing with them at this point in the game would be slim enough to risk not killing him.

I don't know that this is in his favor. Yes, if LaLight is town, scum could have a good reason to keep him alive. BUt if he is scum, they of course have a reason to keep him alive as well, so him being alive is not indicative of anything.

It's "in his favor" in that it's a better explanation than the one he gave.

I suppose. But the "LaLight is alive means he must be scum" argument was nonsense to begin with.

Not entirely, but it's hardly the primary basis for an argument.

It's not entirely nonsense because in two worlds, one where LL is scum and the other where he is town, D2 dawns with him dead far more often when he's town - and thus his survival is more likely if he's scum than town.

[Galzria]

Regardless, it's still absolutely a question worth asking and contemplating.

[faust]

After some more thinking, I believe Vote: gkrieg is where I want to be.

[Swowl]

Point in LL's favor:

If town,  it's entirely possible mafia knew he had messed up his claim based on their own positions, and figured him for a dead man walking once any claiming exercise began. The chances of Town!LL messing with them at this point in the game would be slim enough to risk not killing him.

I don't know that this is in his favor. Yes, if LaLight is town, scum could have a good reason to keep him alive. BUt if he is scum, they of course have a reason to keep him alive as well, so him being alive is not indicative of anything.

It's "in his favor" in that it's a better explanation than the one he gave.

This logic is moderately sound, but why are you trying to create a defense for LL that he did not create himself?