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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 26, 2018, 04:25:18 pm »
Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a D1 massclaim caught scum?

Fixed a thing

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 26, 2018, 04:24:37 pm »
Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a massclaim caught scum?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 26, 2018, 03:17:10 pm »
Presumably, the main things governing whether people want to claim are how much they like solving setups (rather that just trying to catch people out for "sounding scummy"), and how much extra information they feel their role gives them compared to what they think the average role will have.

Scum is clearly at an advantage for the latter point, because they get to know what the roles of themselves and their three buddies are, assuming they're all in a faction QT. Though 4/14 scums seems pretty strong, especially when they can essentially eat the roles of the rest of us, so I wonder whether any of them start out with nerfs. Still, with them able to eat our roles, I don't think letting on the relative strengths of our powers is a good idea even if we have a decent level of protection available to help us keep strong town roles in alive townies' hands, because I don't think faust would design a game that could be easily solved by town just by revealing stuff.

Ok. that makes sense.

Ya I guess I didn't factor in the fact that scum steals the roles they kill this time. But I wouldn't be surprised if even if they didn't steal the roles that we shouldn't claim.

What benefits did you see to the plan that offset scum knowing which PRs to snipe/play around?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 26, 2018, 10:08:30 am »
I agree with Space. Any kind of claiming is just giving scum more direction.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 25, 2018, 11:21:53 pm »
Although I still think its a fine plan. But I guess I didn't really expect it to go through.

If you think it's a good plan, why wouldn't you expect people to recognize that it's a good plan and make it happen? Do you have that little faith in us? Which is odd considering you're claiming not to be, "that high level".

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 25, 2018, 11:19:41 pm »
Bad plans come from town more often than not though.

....which makes proposing bad plans great for scum.

I'm not that high level.

Please show me a grouping of three people in this game (not including yourself, obviously) where none of the players are at whatever level you think is sufficient for coming up with the idea to push a bad plan.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 25, 2018, 05:36:59 pm »
Bad plans come from town more often than not though.

....which makes proposing bad plans great for scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 25, 2018, 05:15:13 pm »
wait what if we claimed VT or not VT.

Do we thing VT's even exist in this RMM game?

I don't know but either way most people will probably have a role right? So its not like scum can really pick the powerful role by us claiming. Plus that means if we do get to claiming scum can't back out of a claim by saying they are VT if they can't think of a good fakeclaim. (I know I suck at fakeclaiming).

vote: Hydrad I don't see how claiming anything helps town.

I wonder if Alex is a boy or a girl?
I think that was left purposely ambiguous. They could be neither.

Definitely.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 25, 2018, 04:55:13 pm »
I wonder if Alex is a boy or a girl?

Alex might not be either.

On that note, does anyone know why when specifying which pronouns a person uses why they say both the subjective and the objective pronoun?  Like why use he/him, or she/her, or they/them instead of just saying he, or she, or they?  This came up in Gloomhaven the other day where one of the classes is genderless and uses it as a pronoun, which in the form people usually give their pronouns in is it/it, which doesn't seem right.

I don't think this is really the place for a prolonged discussion on this, but in my experience part of it is making life easier for people ("here are my pronouns" rather than "this is one of my pronouns, you know the others") when you're asking them to respect your identity and sometimes people don't use the "standard" three (i.e. he/him/theirs). For example, I use he/him/his but dislike being called Mr. (although I don't ask that people use Ms.). Also, stating the full three explicitly tells people what you would like them to use so there isn't any doubt ("oh, I used he but Alex asked me to use her, does that apply to the other pronouns as well?").

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 25, 2018, 04:36:13 pm »
I wonder if Alex is a boy or a girl?

Alex might not be either.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 24, 2018, 10:52:37 pm »
Now I'm curious. would you auto hammer yourself Galz?

Lets see vote: galz

Last I heard, Galz was against self-hammers on the grounds that hammering an IC isn't a good idea.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 24, 2018, 04:54:59 pm »
Also vote: Robz.  This quick lynching thing works more often than it doesn't!

Wagons!

vote: Robz L-3 (it'd be 4 but Galz is in the game)

Fixed

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 24, 2018, 02:41:54 pm »
As for the time, I'm glad someone brought it up because I missed it (people tend to use forum time which is also my timezone). Hopefully it won't cause issues now that everyone knows about it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 24, 2018, 02:37:47 pm »
Also vote: Robz.  This quick lynching thing works more often than it doesn't!

Wagons!

vote: Robz L-4

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 24, 2018, 09:35:35 am »
That’s probably a tough deadline for the americans? I can make it on.

It's only fair. Most of the deadlines have been bad for Europe.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 24, 2018, 06:49:21 am »
And just a heads up, I will not be around for said deadline.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« on: May 24, 2018, 06:48:04 am »
vote: Galzria for not voting this close to deadline.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (2 spots left!)
« on: May 21, 2018, 10:41:57 pm »
/in again if that's okay. I didn't want to play two games at once and, well, now I'm not.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 3)
« on: May 20, 2018, 03:57:04 pm »
Okay, well, I have another night result. IDP / schadd is scum.

Lol, what? No. I'm not sure how you're saying you got that result unless you're just looking for a reaction.

It is interesting that the reaction here is "Lol, what?" instead of "Vote:Robz"

You think I think Robz came out of nowhere with that D2 bus to secure a D3 mislynch?

Either you are scum or you should think Robz is scum who is framing you, which should make you want to vote for him. What is the other option?

Zealous town fishing for a potential free Cop result. It's a fairly common tactic in some of the IRL games I play and I don't see why it wouldn't be worth a try here.

Can you please flesh out how this would work from Robz's perspective exactly?

Anything to say now that I have?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 3)
« on: May 20, 2018, 03:42:33 pm »
But ya sorry IDPTG, unless robz says he was testing the waters I think your dead. you seemed to get an unfortunate replacement timing. kinda like me in the other game I played with you where i just insta died.

He will. Just wait. Or don't wait, give him the interactions he's looking for.

But Robz, if you're really serious about taking this all the way, I want you to hammer me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 3)
« on: May 19, 2018, 03:53:03 pm »
Anyway, my shift is about to start and I'm not sure how much I'll be able to talk during it (yes, Robz, it's still the job where I save drowning puppies).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 3)
« on: May 19, 2018, 03:47:13 pm »
This could be a thing but I seriously doubt it is a thing Robz does here. There’s no pressure to lie for a Hail Mary shot here.

I don't think it's much of a Hail Mary, at least in the "try or die" sense that I tend to think of them as. It's early in the day, not much has happened, and it's something to talk about. But that could easily be semantics.

Robz caught me in my scum game (I forget the number but I was the D1 lynch) due to a poorly worded post in which I contradicted myself and suggested that we lynch him. It's possible I was caught before that and was going to be lynched anyway, but that's the moment that sticks out to me as when the rest of the votes became a formality rather than something that might happen. To that end, I think Robz is confident that, given enough material, he can accurately read me. A good way to get town talking is to accuse them and here we are*. Add to that that I've replaced into this game and would probably feel more pressure in this scenario if I am scum and you've got a situation that I think makes the outlined plan worth considering.

What about the loss of credibility he could suffer? Look at that D2. If anyone is scumreading Robz this game, you must think he's a crazier player than I do. My understanding of bussing is that it works because scum typically doesn't want to kill a partner and scum only busses when there's something to gain, namely towncred and a winning position because of it (in my head I liken it to a gambit in chess). In what world does scum bus that hard just to lynch town the next day? It'd be better to just lynch town the day he bussed. From my reread, Jim wasn't widely townread (possibly because I knew he was the D2 lynch and scum before I read the game), but he wasn't about to be lynched before Robz started that. Now we're at a point where I think the plan isn't just worth considering, I think it's viable.

*I recognize that I was silent in the day leading up to my lynch in M115, but that's because the deadline day was a mess IRL and I mentioned that in my QT after the lynch.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 3)
« on: May 19, 2018, 02:51:54 pm »
FWIW, I think this scenario is a special case and I'll explain once I'm on the bus and not trying to leave for work.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 3)
« on: May 19, 2018, 02:44:22 pm »
Okay, well, I have another night result. IDP / schadd is scum.

Lol, what? No. I'm not sure how you're saying you got that result unless you're just looking for a reaction.

It is interesting that the reaction here is "Lol, what?" instead of "Vote:Robz"

You think I think Robz came out of nowhere with that D2 bus to secure a D3 mislynch?

Either you are scum or you should think Robz is scum who is framing you, which should make you want to vote for him. What is the other option?

Zealous town fishing for a potential free Cop result. It's a fairly common tactic in some of the IRL games I play and I don't see why it wouldn't be worth a try here.

Can you please flesh out how this would work from Robz's perspective exactly?

1) Cop someone
2) Claim a scum result on someone else
3) See what happens
4a) If they incriminate themselves, congrats, free Cop result!
4b) If they don't, extra interactions

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 3)
« on: May 19, 2018, 02:22:51 pm »
Okay, well, I have another night result. IDP / schadd is scum.

Lol, what? No. I'm not sure how you're saying you got that result unless you're just looking for a reaction.

It is interesting that the reaction here is "Lol, what?" instead of "Vote:Robz"

You think I think Robz came out of nowhere with that D2 bus to secure a D3 mislynch?

Either you are scum or you should think Robz is scum who is framing you, which should make you want to vote for him. What is the other option?

Zealous town fishing for a potential free Cop result. It's a fairly common tactic in some of the IRL games I play and I don't see why it wouldn't be worth a try here.

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