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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #450 on: July 05, 2017, 11:27:54 am »

Who started the list discussion? Because they are probably town, and the person continuing the discussion is scum.  That's my working theory. I just need to reread to see who fits which spot
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #451 on: July 05, 2017, 12:18:40 pm »

Another notable thing about that. If we are lucky, some kind of a last-minute lynch could theoretically lead to a dead player on the mafia's list, and that means that the Werewolves can kill whoever they want. At the same time, the mafia can theoretically invalidate their own list if they want.

Or submit no list, right?
Not sure if that's allowed.

the place i took role PMs from said "must" iirc, but the setup from wiki page gives a scenario if no list is submitted (ww can choose anyone) so i'm changing the PMs

uh.

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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #452 on: July 05, 2017, 12:19:05 pm »

Who started the list discussion? Because they are probably town, and the person continuing the discussion is scum.  That's my working theory. I just need to reread to see who fits which spot
iguana was the first to mention it a while back I think.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #453 on: July 05, 2017, 12:23:19 pm »

Who started the list discussion? Because they are probably town, and the person continuing the discussion is scum.  That's my working theory. I just need to reread to see who fits which spot

My working theory is that the person making the assertions about who talks about the list and who doesn't is scum.
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #454 on: July 05, 2017, 02:47:35 pm »

@Jake

You don't have anything to say to the large post that I spent considerable time putting together at your request?

Or to answer my question?
Ok. My turn to ask a question. Why should I not vote for you? And you can't answer: "cuz I is townz." Show me why you are town by pointing to specific posts of yours that demonstrate that.

Ok. I'll keep voting for you then.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #455 on: July 05, 2017, 02:48:02 pm »

Although voting Robz sounds more fun.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (N0, PMs out)
« Reply #456 on: July 05, 2017, 03:28:21 pm »

Tell us your plan!

Why thank you.

I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.

I'll start. I'm a VT.

This makes me believe J Reggie is town for now.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #457 on: July 05, 2017, 03:29:00 pm »

Town points for RR and J Reggie.

Do you still feel this way about these two?
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #458 on: July 05, 2017, 03:30:19 pm »

Oh, and VT here too.

This seems pretty scummy from Eevee.  He has the post right above this one too, and it seems like a weird thing to include this way.  I can't quite explain it though.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #459 on: July 05, 2017, 03:31:48 pm »

Alright. Here it goes:

You have been extremely interested in yourself this game. Examples:
Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful,  but I guess I was wrong.

Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.

Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful,  but I guess I was wrong.

Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.

Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?

Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.
I meant the other people but man those reasons are sooooo goood I can't wait to see the other ones.
Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.

Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
This conversation is useless

Vote: jake
Why
People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious  ;)

That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.
First why do you think I'm scum, Second I don't see that at all.

I also didn't like this post:
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.

Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?

Vote: RR how's that?
So far i like exactly none of fausts post especially not this one. Vote: faust
Which you then try to spin later about not being about you, but about Joseph.
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.

Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?

Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.

I also feel like you have an edge on your posts. These are in italics, as well as some up above (I didn't include them all, but you should get the drift) so you can see them better when I am not really sure why. They way you are talking, it seems like how someone would respond from being picked on for days and days, but what you are getting is really, really light suspicion at this point.

Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
You have jumped on two. Ask yourself the question.
I randomly voted iguana right at the start and I started the faust wagon who btw I actually think is scum which is why you vote for people. How about you answer it.
Awaclus is the worst scum teammate ever
I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.

Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.
Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?
He's voting for me even though I never ever voted for him. Pretty well outside his town meta if you ask me.
Isn't this how you play the game? You vote for who you think is scummy right?
People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious  ;)
yay me

So what I mean is that I have seen more recent town games from you. And it seems like you had changed up how you played. You lost a bit of that edge to be super self-aware and respond only to others about yourself and be kinda passive aggressive when doing so. And you got mislynched, or at least heavily suspected, quite a bit because of it. But now it is back. So I am wondering if it is because you are scum and reverting back to your old meta because of it.

Ok. My turn to ask a question. Why should I not vote for you? And you can't answer: "cuz I is townz." Show me why you are town by pointing to specific posts of yours that demonstrate that.
The first bolded: That is vaild but as scum I don't focus on myself as much so it's more of a town tell.
Second and third bolded: Where can you even get this conclusion from? I said that I didn't like his reasons for finding Joseph towny not that I thought joseph was scummy.
Fourth Bolded: I'm always on edge when posting more so as town though because as town I don't want to post something that is scummy because hint it's not helpful to town.

And finally you shouldn't vote for me because hint "I iz townz "( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D) or maybe because there's others who are scummier than I am. Here are some examples faust, robz, Iguana, gkrieg. Then there is people  you should't vote for like TWM, RR, Teproc, JR.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #460 on: July 05, 2017, 03:33:50 pm »

Vote Iguana becuase why not

This is definitely the scummiest first post from anyone.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #461 on: July 05, 2017, 03:34:46 pm »

People who aren't voting for Jake should be voting for Jake.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #462 on: July 05, 2017, 03:35:43 pm »

Just my feelz

This is so strange to me.  Why are you being so unhelpful this game Robz?  It is like a night and day difference from your pro-town performance last game.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #463 on: July 05, 2017, 03:37:30 pm »

Why do I look like scum?

Especially with things like this.  He doesn't comment on most things during the game, just when he is summoned.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #464 on: July 05, 2017, 03:38:14 pm »

Why do I look like scum?

Especially with things like this.  He doesn't comment on most things during the game, just when he is summoned.
Well we can combine our powers and summon him!

Although I agree, lurky!Robz is unsettling.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #465 on: July 05, 2017, 03:39:29 pm »

Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.

Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?

Vote: RR how's that?

This also seems scummy from faust.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #466 on: July 05, 2017, 03:40:27 pm »

Love that Igu post.

Slightly scummy from ash.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #467 on: July 05, 2017, 03:42:46 pm »

e also seems to come alive later in the day.  I don't really want to lynch him.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #468 on: July 05, 2017, 03:47:42 pm »

So right now, Robz, Eevee, and Jake are scummy.  RR also belongs there for his "You guys got me" post.  faust is also barely on that list.

I don't want to lynch J Reggie or e, and I'll give Teproc and iguana a pass.  They seem to be active and moving the game along, but I'm not too sure on them.

Joseph is also usually a very quick person for me to read, and I'm slightly concerned that I don't get the instant town vibes that I usually get from him.

Man, the faust v Teproc thing goes on after it seems like it should be resolved.  It feels like faust is trying to poke Teproc really hard intentionally, and it doesn't feel super genuine to me.

Here is an example:
I think that's just 5 votes?

faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.

I'll stop at post 250.

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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #469 on: July 05, 2017, 03:52:43 pm »

Sorry all, I've fallen behind, and won't be able to catch up until tomorrow.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #470 on: July 05, 2017, 03:52:51 pm »

By tomorrow, I mean IRL tomorrow.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #471 on: July 05, 2017, 04:07:43 pm »

Another notable thing about that. If we are lucky, some kind of a last-minute lynch could theoretically lead to a dead player on the mafia's list, and that means that the Werewolves can kill whoever they want. At the same time, the mafia can theoretically invalidate their own list if they want.

Or submit no list, right?
Not sure if that's allowed.

the place i took role PMs from said "must" iirc, but the setup from wiki page gives a scenario if no list is submitted (ww can choose anyone) so i'm changing the PMs

uh.

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@schadd Hey, could you put these kinds of answers in your own posts?  It is easy to then search the whole thread for your posts, instead of having to scan it for green text.  I also usually only read things one time, and so when you edit posts, there is a fairly high likelihood that I won't ever see the edit.


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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #472 on: July 05, 2017, 04:30:49 pm »

Allowing mafia not to submit a list seems broken and also seems like not what I signed up for...
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #473 on: July 05, 2017, 06:22:29 pm »

Allowing mafia not to submit a list seems broken and also seems like not what I signed up for...

The setup post didn't say must, the PMs say may.  I see it was edited, though.

Three living players is easy enough to break, though.  It's the name-a-card problem in Dominion, right?  Just say Ace of Spades.
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Re: M103: fleetwood mac (Day 1)
« Reply #474 on: July 05, 2017, 06:23:10 pm »

schadd, can you explain what, if anything changed in the setup?

everything continues consistence with the wiki page linked in the OP and setup post. i edited the mafia PM to make it clear that it is possible to not submit the hitlist
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