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[XerxesPraelor]

Vote Count 4.1

Faust: Liopoil
Liopoil: Faust

Not voting: WW, Seprix, IG

5 alive, takes 3 to lynch

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok. We have confirmation that Swamp Hag could have been used by scum with basically a 100% chance of creating a hated town. As such, we shouldn't "test" anyone that we wouldn't totally want to lynch today.

[faust]

I'll try to reread. That may not happen for 2 days though, I'm rather busy right now.

[liopoil]

Ok. We have confirmation that Swamp Hag could have been used by scum with basically a 100% chance of creating a hated town. As such, we shouldn't "test" anyone that we wouldn't totally want to lynch today.

This is just absurd. I was not in the game on N2! I COULD NOT have used it then! And neither could pit, because he was absent! Here is a list of all the things that would need to happen for testing faust to loose the game:

1) I am scum
2) I used the swamp hag on the second N2 without being in the game, OR pit did while being replaced for inactivity, OR my scumbuddy did.
3) My partner and I are for some reason not testing faust and everyone else ourselves right now so that we can win the game instantly with 3/4 probability.
4) Faust is the unlucky hated townie, a 1/4 chance even given the other two.

SUPER unlikely!! Meanwhile, here's what needs to happen for testing faust to lynch scum!faust and make me IC, essentially winning us the game:

1) I am town
2) Faust is the lucky hated scum, a 1/2 chance.

Even if you don't know I am town, these are still decent odds! In all other cases, nothing happens. So testing faust is absolutely in our best interests.

However I agree we should not test anyone else, because the odds are not nearly as much in our favor and there is a significant risk of a scum quickhammer.

[Witherweaver]

Night 2 had an "extra night", though, because we chose Mission.  I'm pretty sure you subbed in during that time, right? 

[Witherweaver]

We could also lynch Seprix.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Yeah...I considered that. Cause he feels like obvscum. At the same time, if we lynch his partner today he (in all likelihood) can't NK people. But...if we get it wrong between faust/lio then it's game over. Maybe lynching Seprix is the safest bet.

[Witherweaver]

Of note:

I'm kind of sold on town!Faust right now.

Earlier reads (he included everyone) list gave Faust Day 1 Pass for towniness and Pit a suspect for not posting.  Library got a Day 1 pass for being new. 

You probably don't take both your partners off your "Day 1 Willing to Lynch" list, so this points towards Faust not being Seprix's partner.

[Witherweaver]

Hmm:

I don't agree with the IG votes, i think Seprix looks way scummier right now.

Vote: Seprix

Vote Count 1.3

Silverspawn (1): Awaclus
greyICE (1): Jimmmmm
Seprix (3): IG, Hydrad, LibraryAdventurer (L-3)
IG (4): Silverspawn, GreyICE, Seprix, Faust (L-2)
Pit (2): Awaclus, Faust
Awaclus(2): Pit, witherweaver

Not voting:
A person needs 6 votes to be lynched.

Day 1 ends April 18th at 6:30 Pacific Time.

Awaclus and faust both voting twice.

Not the strongest evidence towards Pit/Lio and Seprix partners.

[liopoil]

We could also lynch Seprix.

I don't like this, especially coming from ww.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Yeah...increasingly I'm wondering whether WW is one of the remaining scum. I'm actually heavily considering faust/WW right now.

[Witherweaver]

Wrong, think about it logically (as me).  One of Faust/Lio must be scum.  Remaining one has to be Ichi or Seprix.  Ichi is pretty likely not the scum here, therefore Seprix has to be scum.  Therefore interactions with Seprix regarding Faust and Lio can indicate which of Faust and Lio is his partner.

I can (hopefully will) do a similar exercise with Ichi, but it's not the priority.

As for actually lynching Seprix first, well, there isn't really a point.  Whether we choose Faust/Lio today or tomorrow, we still have to choose correctly or lose.

I also wanted to see how people would react to the idea; I probably should have waited for Faust, but oh well.

[Seprix]

Don't like WW here. So it's Faust/Lio and WW. Great to know. We win if we get the Faust/Lio thing right.

[Witherweaver]

Don't like WW here. So it's Faust/Lio and WW. Great to know. We win if we get the Faust/Lio thing right.

Which one of Faust/Lio is scum?

[Seprix]

Don't like WW here. So it's Faust/Lio and WW. Great to know. We win if we get the Faust/Lio thing right.

Which one of Faust/Lio is scum?

That's a fantastic question.

[Witherweaver]

So answer it.

[Seprix]

Liopoil.

[liopoil]

Wrong, think about it logically (as me).  One of Faust/Lio must be scum.  Remaining one has to be Ichi or Seprix.  Ichi is pretty likely not the scum here, therefore Seprix has to be scum.  Therefore interactions with Seprix regarding Faust and Lio can indicate which of Faust and Lio is his partner.

I can (hopefully will) do a similar exercise with Ichi, but it's not the priority.

As for actually lynching Seprix first, well, there isn't really a point.  Whether we choose Faust/Lio today or tomorrow, we still have to choose correctly or lose.

I also wanted to see how people would react to the idea; I probably should have waited for Faust, but oh well.

Sure, there's sort of a town narrative for you to bring it up, but since the rest of us don't know you're town I don't think we should lynch Seprix today. Faust first.

[Seprix]

Wrong, think about it logically (as me).  One of Faust/Lio must be scum.  Remaining one has to be Ichi or Seprix.  Ichi is pretty likely not the scum here, therefore Seprix has to be scum.  Therefore interactions with Seprix regarding Faust and Lio can indicate which of Faust and Lio is his partner.

I can (hopefully will) do a similar exercise with Ichi, but it's not the priority.

As for actually lynching Seprix first, well, there isn't really a point.  Whether we choose Faust/Lio today or tomorrow, we still have to choose correctly or lose.

I also wanted to see how people would react to the idea; I probably should have waited for Faust, but oh well.

Sure, there's sort of a town narrative for you to bring it up, but since the rest of us don't know you're town I don't think we should lynch Seprix today. Faust first.

Liopoil for sure.

vote: Liopoil

[Witherweaver]

I'm not scum

[Ichimaru Gin]

Whoah. This is dangerous. it could be faust/Seprix.

If Seprix doesn't unvote right now...

[Witherweaver]

Okay, so either Lio is scum or it's confirmed Faust/Seprix. 

[Ichimaru Gin]

So Seprix, why would scum!lio prefer lynching faust over you today if you're both town--and you're kind of the easier lynch at this point?

PPE: damn. This is close. Maybe we should lynch Seprix right now.

[Seprix]

Lio was Pit, and I had a scum read on him all game, so it makes sense for me.

unvote

But if you want to talk, sure.

[Ichimaru Gin]

It's not possible for lio to be hated, right?