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[Seprix]

Hydrad, you didn't call.

call

[Hydrad]

Hydrad, you didn't call.

call

I thought we didn't need to since WW claimed it.

[Witherweaver]

It's also, you know, a little unlikely that you'd have the coin without being in the Player 1 QT.

[Witherweaver]

Woah, woah, woah.

If we are skipping Tonight (Night 2) because of Coin of the Realm, does that mean that Page does not get to use his Night 2 ability?

[Witherweaver]

Or is the night following the next "day" Night 2?

[Hydrad]

interesting I was assuming it would skip Night 2 here as thats what I thought greyICE meant with this

Like I'm going to need some serious logic on that one, because when I saw it last night I was like "Sweet, the antidote to the Page Vig shot has arrived!"

[GreyICE]

Nah, I meant even numbers of players blow, and a vig shot gives us even numbers (with the possibility of it being scum controlled).  A double lynch is back to odd, in the most town controlled way possible. 

Without the double lynch, it is possible scum-vig+nightkill ends game after today's lynch, 1 shot to hit scum.

[GreyICE]

 I mean it'd really bite if RNG gave scum Page, but we have to account for it.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Hmm. This is an interesting development. GreyICE kind of forced the Coin to claim--somewhat against WW's wishes it seems. I'm not the biggest fan of the vig role though, so if we lose it, I don't think it's a huge deal. All the better if scum ended up getting the role. Though wasn't the plan to use it like an extra lynch?

[Hydrad]

Hmm. This is an interesting development. GreyICE kind of forced the Coin to claim--somewhat against WW's wishes it seems. I'm not the biggest fan of the vig role though, so if we lose it, I don't think it's a huge deal. All the better if scum ended up getting the role. Though wasn't the plan to use it like an extra lynch?

well we could try to use it as a extra lynch. then scum may have used it for a double night kill to end the game if they had the chance.

[GreyICE]

Hmm. This is an interesting development. GreyICE kind of forced the Coin to claim--somewhat against WW's wishes it seems. I'm not the biggest fan of the vig role though, so if we lose it, I don't think it's a huge deal. All the better if scum ended up getting the role. Though wasn't the plan to use it like an extra lynch?

I... why would the scum getting a bonus NK be good?

I mean the extra lynch idea is really contingent on the player doing what they said they will, and scum have no reason to do that.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Oh. I meant that statement under the assumption that page's N2 vig action is lost because of activating the Coin or whatever. So if whoever got page is scum, it's better that they lose their vig action.

[GreyICE]

Oh, yeah, that'd be awesome. 

[Seprix]

Ohhigray.

[faust]

This is bad. Vote: GreyICE I'm certain there is scum amongst Grey/WW, from the way this went down. Noone even bothered to ask about how the other power interacts with this. You know why? Because they already knew.

So time for full disclosure: Our QT chose Swamp Hag today. The power is, if this is used at night and scum kills, one random scum player will be premanently hated. This would allow us to catch scum by bringing everyone to L-1, or force scum to no kill.

Now it seems that scum is trying to seal the game without Swamp Hag's ability coming in their way. Even worse, missing a night not only means the delay of Swamp Hag, but also prevents us from gaining additional powers. And from additional information. Having to make two lynches only with the information we have now is ugh. No lynching now would have been a much better way to solve the issue.

[faust]

Even worse if this stops our vig shot. Then this has just completely screwed our chances.

[Seprix]

Oh my god. That's the last time I don't check the QT and assume people know what they're doing.

vote: GrayIce

[silverspawn]

Mhf. I think WW is more to blame than Grey here though.

[faust]

Mhf. I think WW is more to blame than Grey here though.

Yeah... I'm not sure who's scummier. Grey tried hard to push this without discussion. I'm kinda used to carefree PR use from town!WW.

[silverspawn]

I don't know a lot about how WW handles PR's. In a normal Usually, I would trust your judgement, but since I think you're scum this game, I don't really want to do that.

Any other opinions on this?

[silverspawn]

look how good i can do grammar

[Hydrad]

Hmm while I see where your coming from faust I don't fully blame them. I had knowledge of swamphag and didn't fully realize the consequences until you mentioned it. From their view it seemed like a good choice.

[Hydrad]

so I guess what I mean in that post is I probably would have called if I had gotten the coin also. Plus swamphag can still work I think. After these nights they still have to make the decision of night killing or not.

[Witherweaver]

I tired to argue against calling, and then I realized that at the end, it would simply be clear by PoE that I had the Coin and would be night killed.  GreICE's post made it so Coin had to be called today.

We can still use Swamp Hag after the double day.

[faust]

so I guess what I mean in that post is I probably would have called if I had gotten the coin also. Plus swamphag can still work I think. After these nights they still have to make the decision of night killing or not.

But if things go wrong, night killing might win them the game. And the Swamp Hag could be lynched. And we still don't get powers. It's awful.