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[xxpittip]

Did you just unvote WitherWeaver, xxpittip? 

Did the sheer awesomeness of this wagon make you nervous?

No, if i would unvote because of the wagon, i would be voting for Awaclus by now. My WW vote was still my RVS vote and there is not really a strong reason for me to keep it.

Well, I refuse to vote for pit today, unless he does something to provoke a super strong scum read.

<3

[faust]

You're pushing VERY hard on Awaclus, Ice. You must be absolutely certain he's scum. You must be so sure of it, that you're pressuring everyone to do it. Why is that? I mean, self voting is completely stupid. It really is. But why should I move from my WW vote? What reason do I have right now?

1)  A fast lynch might not always be a correct one.  But what is wrong is telling the scum there are a requisite number of days to lynch.  Why play that way?  The lynch is the weapon of the town.   Ours and ours alone.  Do we set some sort of Geneva Convention that limits its effectiveness?  I promise you, the scum are not going to reward us by leaving PRs alive due to some night-kill Geneva convention.  I am as happy with a scum lynch in 6 hours as I am with one in 6 days. 

2) No one seems to agree with your WW vote.  If no one agrees with your WW vote, you have 5 less people than you need to lynch him.  If you're town, that means that the wagon that does result in a lynch is that much more likely to be scum influenced.   That's already a good reason to work with me!

3)  If you are voting for the sheer disruption to the game, self-voting is much more disruptive than joking about being scum.   Imagine a world where you asked a player to explain something, and they went "that's my meta" and self-voted until you stopped voting for them.  I imagine that's worse than a game where every player jokes about being scum once a game (although admittedly the latter would be annoying).

I thought it better to not respond to most of your posts, but I can't let this one go by.

1) I can see what you mean, but I don't agree. A scum lynch in 6 days usually yields a lot more information about the other scum than a lynch in 6 hours.

2) That's just... I don't even. I'm just going to assume you're not serious.

3) That's still not a good reason to vote for someone.

[faust]

No.. Awaclus won't die by my vote alone, and he HAS played worse than WW.. Oh hell. Might as well see where this goes.
vote: Awaclus

I don't like this very much. If were were lynching based on how good people play, [censored due to potential offensiveness]

[faust]

Well, I did think about that when I said it's null. I don't see scum!pit trying that on purpose, because the risk is high and it has a low chance of working. Like, not only would the next person have to fall for his trick, but he'd also have to have a reason to vote for him at all, which is not likely. Seems pretty far fetched.

Of course, if we end up not giving him any scum points for it, it's not high risk anymore, but I don't see him thinking that far.

So, yeah, I think it's null.

silver is talking the sense.

[faust]

Well, I refuse to vote for pit today, unless he does something to provoke a super strong scum read.

But then, I don't quite see where this comes from.

[faust]

Did you just unvote WitherWeaver, xxpittip? 

Did the sheer awesomeness of this wagon make you nervous?

No, if i would unvote because of the wagon, i would be voting for Awaclus by now. My WW vote was still my RVS vote and there is not really a strong reason for me to keep it.

Well, I refuse to vote for pit today, unless he does something to provoke a super strong scum read.

<3

So how about you provide us with anything, like what you think about Awaclus, or Witherweaver, or really anyone for that matter?

[faust]

Here's some quick reads:

Hydrad - not particularly scummy, which probably means he's not scum.
Faust - me
Silverspawn - I don't really have a read yet.
GreyICE - the town motivation for playing the way he does is pretty big. I mean, he could replicate that as scum, I don't know how good he is, but he seems a force that drives the discussion and is therefore best left alive.
xpittip - I have no idea what this guy thinks about the game. That's not good. The unvote is null, but nothing makes me think he's town.
Seprix - I'm torn. I don't like his Awaclus vote, and there was one other thing he did that I thought was scummy, but I don't remember. His reads list on the other hand seemed townie enough.
Jimmmm - pretty sure he's town.
witherweaver - in general I don't like joking about being scum... I don't think it's a scumtell here though. I don't have much else on him.
LibraryAdventurer -
Awalcus - I don't want to lynch him mainly because I don't like the votes on him.
Ichimaru Gin - I feel like he's town, but I fear there's some overlap here. I'm not sure.

Disclaimer: Haven't checked the QT yet.

[xxpittip]

Did you just unvote WitherWeaver, xxpittip? 

Did the sheer awesomeness of this wagon make you nervous?

No, if i would unvote because of the wagon, i would be voting for Awaclus by now. My WW vote was still my RVS vote and there is not really a strong reason for me to keep it.

Well, I refuse to vote for pit today, unless he does something to provoke a super strong scum read.

<3

So how about you provide us with anything, like what you think about Awaclus, or Witherweaver, or really anyone for that matter?

The only thing about WW that stands out to me are the "i'm scum" jokes, because he did that in the other game i played with him and he was scum there, but since people say that he's always joking it's irrelevant.
Awaclus looks kinda scummy to me, since he voted for me without saying anything but "vote: pit" right after GreyICE and seprix said that they find me suspicious. It looks like a nervous (scum) player (could also be nervous town, but town is less likely to be nervous in his situation) trying to get the attention away from himself by "starting" a new wagon, while trying not to say anything controversial and just following what others just said.

[faust]

trying not to say anything controversial and just following what others just said.

[Witherweaver]

It is, however, not your town meta to go on  to the extent you did in Reply 155 up there.

Go on? What?

Long post. Fluff fluff.

Finally Awaclus does contribute a bit more than his usual "that player is scum" posts, and you're discouraging it. I don't think there's any reason to believe Awaclus would post longer responses as scum.

Well, he has explicitly said that he does. 

[Witherweaver]

But the thing is, he was only going on about theory, not about the actual players in the game.

[Ichimaru Gin]

So what does "overlap" mean faust? Like overlap between my town and scumplay?

I'm against short days and think pushing them is scummy. No one expects scum to "give" town anything because of a day's length, but longer days provide us with more information to analyze after someone flips--which is especially useful if they flip scum.

[faust]

But the thing is, he was only going on about theory, not about the actual players in the game.

Yeah, I don't think the post contained much useful stuff, but I also felt that the subsequent discussion made Awaclus seem townier.

[faust]

So what does "overlap" mean faust? Like overlap between my town and scumplay?

I'm against short days and think pushing them is scummy. No one expects scum to "give" town anything because of a day's length, but longer days provide us with more information to analyze after someone flips--which is especially useful if they flip scum.

"Overlap" means like I thought you were town t the end of RMM23, and I haven't got a distinctive read on you here, so part of my read might still come from that towny feeling I got there.

[Witherweaver]

But the thing is, he was only going on about theory, not about the actual players in the game.

Yeah, I don't think the post contained much useful stuff, but I also felt that the subsequent discussion made Awaclus seem townier.

Fair enough.

[silverspawn]

But then, I don't quite see where this comes from.

It's a policy thing

[Witherweaver]

It's the "don't vote for scum partner" policy. 

[silverspawn]

so, what about the card discussion? there was this:

Then there was stuff in the QT which I can't quote.

so

Lost City
town: delayed BP vs scum consolation
scum: nothing

Page
town: Bodyguard with 10P + Vig with 8P + weird neighborhood with 5P
scum: claimed: commute with 10P + targeted vig with 8P + weird neigherhood with 5P
unlcaimed: nothing + scum kill with 8P + fatal neigherhood with 5P

[silverspawn]

I actually think Page still looks better

[xxpittip]

I actually think Page still looks better

I still agree with Page. I haven't calculated the chances, but if we pick Lost City i'd estimate one prevented night kill in exchange for the "moderate advantage" for scum if we get it and nothing for us + the "moderate advantage" if they get it. Page is kinda risky, but if we get it it's a pretty big advantage.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Actually vote: Seprix after what just happened in the QT.

By this, I assume you mean how he would have hammered Page if I hadn't unvoted?

[Seprix]

Actually vote: Seprix after what just happened in the QT.

By this, I assume you mean how he would have hammered Page if I hadn't unvoted?

I wasn't hammering. So I voted.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Actually vote: Seprix after what just happened in the QT.

By this, I assume you mean how he would have hammered Page if I hadn't unvoted?

I wasn't hammering. So I voted.

Ok. Then what did faust vote you for then? (this is pretty much rhetorical until he's around).

[faust]

Actually vote: Seprix after what just happened in the QT.

By this, I assume you mean how he would have hammered Page if I hadn't unvoted?

I wasn't hammering. So I voted.

Ok. Then what did faust vote you for then? (this is pretty much rhetorical until he's around).

Your unvote was hidden between text. It's certainly possible that he thought he had hammered. Also, I don't think we ever got confirmed that unvotes were actually possible, right?

Anyway, I'm less sure it's a scum thing now.

[Hydrad]

I like faust this game. He seems towny also.