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Author Topic: M113: sufjan stevens (OH THE WORLD IS A MESS)  (Read 194810 times)

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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1425 on: March 14, 2018, 11:04:03 am »

Iguana must be town because he put himself on his reads list.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1426 on: March 14, 2018, 11:05:56 am »

Iguana must be town because he put himself on his reads list.
At least Robz is starting to be entertaining. That's like one step away from scumhunting Robz.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1427 on: March 14, 2018, 11:06:23 am »

And the way that McMc and Faust are reacting to the PPS claim right now isn't exactly very towny.
I feel that my reaction is pretty towny... what exactly do you think a towny reaction of me would look like? This is just riding the confirmation bias.

town just does not talk like this
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1428 on: March 14, 2018, 11:06:57 am »

Mcmc has long seemed somehow off to me. He couldn't continue his awesome Day 1 performance through subsequent days. And also, was it that awesome, we mislynched, and then did so again and again.

Mcmc, faust, Cuzz is my scum team, with an iguana an outside possibility to replace Cuzz or faust. PPS being scum instead of mcmc IS a possibility, and I think I most confident about Cuzz of the three. This might be one of those weird cases where we want to not lynch either PPS or mcmc.

What about McMc, Faust, PPS?

I agree that faust and PPS have some interactions that seem partner-y, like they are trying too hard to replicate their normal antagonism. And you're right that PPS and mcmc could actually both be scum. My problem with this team is it leaves out Cuzz, who is my gut-read most likely scum.

Then fucking read Cuzz again. And read my posts about why Cuzz is demonstrating town thinking from earlier today right before PPS claimed. The guy is town.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #1429 on: March 14, 2018, 11:07:26 am »

I think Space would be a smart target for many PRs. Received some suspicion D1, not.likely to die at night. Hard to read.

First post from iguana regarding PPS claim and first one to defend rather than question
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1430 on: March 14, 2018, 11:07:36 am »

And the way that McMc and Faust are reacting to the PPS claim right now isn't exactly very towny.
I feel that my reaction is pretty towny... what exactly do you think a towny reaction of me would look like? This is just riding the confirmation bias.

town just does not talk like this
What does town talk like?
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1431 on: March 14, 2018, 11:07:43 am »

I need more than to be right right now. I need the other towns to see it too :(
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1432 on: March 14, 2018, 11:09:04 am »

I need more than to be right right now.
You need to be right right right right right right now!
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1433 on: March 14, 2018, 11:09:44 am »

Things are getting crazy, so I am just going to do a scum to chum and try to be as clear as I possibly can. I wanted to save this for yesterday but now that scum is scrambling I think I should just lay it out there.

TOWN
Iguana
Ghacob
Robz

Cuzz

McMcsalot
Faust
PPS


Faust was the one who said that scum!PPS loves to bus. Scum needs only ONE mislynch to survive this game. Both PPS and Faust were super scummy going into this day. So PPS giving a false guilty on McMcsalot only tempers my scumread on McMc ever so slightly. A false guilty on his own partner is absolutely the kind of gambit that PPS attempts at LyLo. His goal is very simple: he needs to convince us that this can't be the scum team. Look at the previous days and their partner interactions are pretty strong. And the way that McMc and Faust are reacting to the PPS claim right now isn't exactly very towny.

I really do not think PPS and mcmc are both scum. This is not how this bus would unfold, if it were the case.

I have a really strong feeling that we are going to lynch PPS, then we are going to lynch Faust, then the final day it is going to be just you, Cuzz and McMcsalot left.

If that happens, PLEASE reconsider.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1434 on: March 14, 2018, 11:11:24 am »

Okay, but I probably won't.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1435 on: March 14, 2018, 11:11:36 am »

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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1436 on: March 14, 2018, 11:12:36 am »

And the way that McMc and Faust are reacting to the PPS claim right now isn't exactly very towny.
I feel that my reaction is pretty towny... what exactly do you think a towny reaction of me would look like? This is just riding the confirmation bias.

town just does not talk like this
What does town talk like?
Cue me dancing and singing "What does the town say?"
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1437 on: March 14, 2018, 11:14:04 am »

So I think I am ready to vote for PPS.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1438 on: March 14, 2018, 11:14:20 am »

I will save Cuzz from Robz tomorrow.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #1439 on: March 14, 2018, 11:15:09 am »

I think Space would be a smart target for many PRs. Received some suspicion D1, not.likely to die at night. Hard to read.

First post from iguana regarding PPS claim and first one to defend rather than question

Iguana then comes to the conclusion to vote for PPS actually so back to not thinking he is a partner. good
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1440 on: March 14, 2018, 11:15:18 am »

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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1441 on: March 14, 2018, 11:15:28 am »

vote: PPS
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1442 on: March 14, 2018, 11:15:41 am »

So I think I am ready to vote for PPS.

Don't. There's no tomorrow if you vote for PPS.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1443 on: March 14, 2018, 11:16:25 am »

And the way that McMc and Faust are reacting to the PPS claim right now isn't exactly very towny.
I feel that my reaction is pretty towny... what exactly do you think a towny reaction of me would look like? This is just riding the confirmation bias.

town just does not talk like this
What does town talk like?
Cue me dancing and singing "What does the town say?"

All I think of is Stonehenge...
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1444 on: March 14, 2018, 11:17:02 am »

How about we vote for no one right now, as I am in the middle of a re-read, and we have more time. And I'm legitimiately conflicted! And basically everyone knows I am town at this point. So I'm claiming my IC status and demanding a pause.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1445 on: March 14, 2018, 11:17:51 am »

Okay, that's fine. I did most of my reread. I need to step away from this game for the rest of the day anyway.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1446 on: March 14, 2018, 11:18:02 am »

So I think I am ready to vote for PPS.
You can interrogate me today, but once the night is over I'll be very VLA. Or you made up your mind and we just lose. Which I suppose is the case.

I kinda want iguana to be scum so I can congratulate him for the performance of a lifetime.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1447 on: March 14, 2018, 11:18:22 am »

vote: PPS

is it weird that this didn't happen the second mcmc saw pps's claim?
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« Reply #1448 on: March 14, 2018, 11:18:55 am »

From my re-read. This, from Cuzz, is such a scummy thing to say, can't remember if I previously noted it.

There is almost always scum among the lurkiest people in the game so I’m looking at Clemens, LL and I guess ii (again) at this point.
There is also almost always scum among the most active people in the game so this argument is bad. Basically activity level is very rarely indicative of alignment.

The argument is not bad. Lurking is scummy and objectively anti-town. It is possible for scum to be active, but harder, and active scum can be more easily caught later in the game. Lurking scum just continue to lurk because everyone in this community swings hard towards the “don’t lynch lurkers ever because activity is not indicative of alignment” side of things. People cherish their special reads and BS “scumslips” and vote for active players instead. Then half the active players get lynched, the other half get NKd, and before long it’s D3 and all the lurkers are still around and no one has anything they’ve said to go off of.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for lynching lurkers. You just made it sound like lurking people are per se more likely scum, which I don't think is true. I also don't think it is harder for scum to be active than for town.

Which lurker would you lynch today?

I do think it actually is harder to be active as scum, at least in my experience. I am dreading my first scum game after my recent mafia hiatus because I get paralyzed with the fear of drawing attention to myself.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 4)
« Reply #1449 on: March 14, 2018, 11:20:07 am »

So I think I am ready to vote for PPS.
You can interrogate me today, but once the night is over I'll be very VLA. Or you made up your mind and we just lose. Which I suppose is the case.

I kinda want iguana to be scum so I can congratulate him for the performance of a lifetime.

I think scum!faust is very concerned we are going to wait to lynch him until he is VLA and unable to stop us.

Agree that this would be a performance of a lifetime from scum!ig.
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