xxxx | Column1 | Column2 | Column3 | Column4 | Add-On |
Row1 | VT | Detective | 1-shot Commuter | Goon Cop | 1-shot Investigation Immune/SK |
Row2 | Watcher | JK | VT | Psychologist | 2-shot JOAT |
Row3 | 1-shot Bulletproof Townie | VT | JK | Bodyguard | Traitor Knows Mafia |
Row4 | 1-shot Commuter | Psychologist | Detective | VT | Mafia Knows Traitor |
Add-On | 2-shot JOAT | Mafia Knows Traitor/SK | TraitorKnows Mafia/SK | 1-shot Investigation Immune | xxxxxxx |
just before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?
just before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?
Нет
Пожалуйстаjust before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?
Нет
Спасибо, друг
just before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?
Possible /in.
I would like to play but since gkrieg is playing, I'll only play if it's ok with everyone.
We obviously wouldn't talk about the game at all outside of the forum.
If anyone is uncomfortable with me playing I totally understand!
I would like to play but since gkrieg is playing, I'll only play if it's ok with everyone.
We obviously wouldn't talk about the game at all outside of the forum.
If anyone is uncomfortable with me playing I totally understand!
we probably (?) do not want both to claim.ya goof. c'mon
Welcome welcome welcome!
There was something about this setup that should be talked about.
I remember now. The theory of claiming.
There are 4 roles in the roster that are unique:
Goon Cop
Watcher
1-shot Bulletproof
Bodyguard
Any claim of one of them limits the set of possible setups to 2, and for any of our PRs, to 1 (i.e. they know the setup exactly). On the flip side, it also lets the mafia know the exact setup.
Now Goon Cop and Watcher are awful claims of course. But 1-shot BP and Bodyguard may actually be beneficial - Bodyguard is not hurt a lot by a claim, and 1-shot BP givesus essentially a 1-shot BP IC. Fakeclaiming these roles should is impossible without counterclaim.
Opinions?
robz what is your favorite color?
And yes, named townie seems much stronger than Bodyguard.is this backwards?
And yes, named townie seems much stronger than Bodyguard.is this backwards?
whether it's cool depends on your alignment this game. leaning towards not cool
u should be townreading me by nowHave you ever been scum here? I don't recall.
Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.What's the problem with that? Would you rather have RVS?
twice; M87 (you weren't in it) and RMM37 (u were mod)u should be townreading me by nowHave you ever been scum here? I don't recall.
yes pleeeeeeeaseMaybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.What's the problem with that? Would you rather have RVS?
every time you talk about the setup before d2 a penguin dies
So I'm coming off two games where I townread Andrew hard, and we was scum both times, and we (town) lost because of it. So don't look to me for a reliable opinion on Andrew.That reminds me
I like the claiming idea, and think it should also include 1-shot commuter. Their role is useless until they claim really.
Also, vote: Andrew. That guy really is always scum.
Can I have c), none of the above?Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.What's the problem with that? Would you rather have RVS?
Uh, that sounds harsher than I intended. I just think we get the information organically once everyone has posted, not like I vehemently oppose people claiming that way too.Can I have c), none of the above?Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.What's the problem with that? Would you rather have RVS?
eevee's townheyo!
As far as the Bodyguard issue is concerned, I think it's fine to do it either way. I remember I played some (other?) setup as scum where we had to decide between doing something better or doing something worse but playing around Bodyguard, so it's bretty good to have it be a possibility that we have a hidden Bodyguard that scum knows nothing about. On the other hand, the IC might be better than actually having the Bodyguard. So actually what I'd suggest is that we leave it up to the Bodyguard themselves to decide whether or not they want to claim if we have one, just so we can possibly have an IC but if we don't have a Bodyguard, scum doesn't instantly know that.I kinda like this idea.
Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...
Vote: Awaclusvote: awaclus
Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...
Okay, but how do we decide on Bodyguard vs 1-shot BP claiming?Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...
But what I mean is that we shouldn't collectively decide that the Bodyguard should claim.
I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
In theory we could have both as long as we don't accidentally lynch the 1-shot BP. So maybe we shouldn't have any unannounced hammers or last minute lynches?I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
1. Preventing hammers and last minute lynches has never worked.In theory we could have both as long as we don't accidentally lynch the 1-shot BP. So maybe we shouldn't have any unannounced hammers or last minute lynches?I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
in theory it might be useful to be like "i'm BP. sheep me"
Kkrieg is gkrieg's wife, correct? Hi, kkrieg! Mcmcsalot and I are brothers, FWIW.
Kkrieg is gkrieg's wife, correct? Hi, kkrieg! Mcmcsalot and I are brothers, FWIW.Hi! And thanks for the info:)
Hi everyone!
Just a heads up -
1. I'm new so Imightwill ask some questions
2. because of my work it's sometimes hard to post throughout my day
What's a role blocking traitor?
wowee get a room
wowee get a roomNo you get a room
yeahI'll say that every time you say that
i'm still saying that every time one of you quotes the other
you maybe towntold (?)
wowee get a roomNo you get a room
Hi everyone!
Just a heads up -
1. I'm new so Imightwill ask some questions
2. because of my work it's sometimes hard to post throughout my day
What's a role blocking traitor?
for posterity: my current avatar is a little house thingo
i might change it before this game is over, this one is getting a little tired.
maybe my ms avatar?
(https://forum.mafiascum.net/download/file.php?avatar=29134_1486929365.png)
what is ur alignment
what is ur alignment
i think the only thing i want to claim rn is not SK
What's a role blocking traitor?
only one of them is scum thoughAt most or exactly?
exactlyi think
the thing about those is you have to think about whether it makes sense to be alignment indicative and whether there might be natural reasons i might decide not to do it. one might not be led to believe so but i've been trying to thin my arsenal of tellswell, scum always has a motive for appearing towny and doing things that win town-cred, which is of course why this is hard.
schadd is doing that thing that I was townreading him for in that one game where he was town, then I scumread him in another game for not doing it and he still was town. I am mildly confused as to what that means.Yeah, maybe it means that he's schadd?
What's a role blocking traitor?
Are you aware that such questions can be asked in your personal QT?
You probably shouldn't ask too many questions about Traitors if you want to stay on his good side... ;)What's a role blocking traitor?
Are you aware that such questions can be asked in your personal QT?
Yea - but I know gkrieg just loves answering game questions
You probably shouldn't ask too many questions about Traitors if you want to stay on his good side... ;)What's a role blocking traitor?
Are you aware that such questions can be asked in your personal QT?
Yea - but I know gkrieg just loves answering game questions
I rate this answer solid yet a litte disappointing.
the thing about those is you have to think about whether it makes sense to be alignment indicative and whether there might be natural reasons i might decide not to do it. one might not be led to believe so but i've been trying to thin my arsenal of tells
Just caught up, whole lot of completely empty posts from schadd, which I don't think is scum indicative but boy is it annoying.ok is this just an homage to last game?
You probably shouldn't ask too many questions about Traitors if you want to stay on his good side... ;)
Do we have to lynch faust now?
Do we have to lynch faust now?
Awaclus is better.
Do we have to lynch faust now?
Awaclus is better.
You are not very talkative these days.
Do we have to lynch faust now?
Awaclus is better.
Noted.Do we have to lynch faust now?
Awaclus is better.
I'm not.
Do we have to lynch faust now?
Well, D1 how I love thee. Not really.They are great. I think you would make a great IC. Double great.
Has everyone had the chance to claim yet? If so, probably don't have a bodyguard, which is unfortunate because ICs are great things to have
TWM, why do you want to lynch awaclus?I saw that faust was voting him. I went to look at what potential reasons faust might be voting for Awaclus and agreed with what I think the reasons are.
TWM, why do you want to lynch awaclus?I saw that faust was voting him. I went to look at what potential reasons faust might be voting for Awaclus and agreed with what I think the reasons are.
If you are curious, I would encourage you to go look and see if you can see what potential reasons we are voting Awaclus for and, if you agree, join us in our vote.
Vote: Awaclusvote: awaclus
TWM, why do you want to lynch awaclus?I saw that faust was voting him. I went to look at what potential reasons faust might be voting for Awaclus and agreed with what I think the reasons are.
If you are curious, I would encourage you to go look and see if you can see what potential reasons we are voting Awaclus for and, if you agree, join us in our vote.
This is all I seeVote: Awaclusvote: awaclus
go look and see if you can see what potential reasons we are voting Awaclus
I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he isProbably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.
I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he isProbably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.
Same, no idea what those reasons are. I read the initial Awaclus-vote as at least close to RVS.I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he isProbably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.
I've read and I can't figure out what these reasons are for either of you. How you think you know you have the same reasons is crazy.
I also thought we weren't claiming non bodyguard, 2.7 was just saying we probably don't have one since no one has claimed and robz took that to mean he should affirm that he is not the bodyguard. Kk then followed suit. All in all a pretty normal thing for those people to do.
I also thought we weren't claiming non bodyguard, 2.7 was just saying we probably don't have one since no one has claimed and robz took that to mean he should affirm that he is not the bodyguard. Kk then followed suit. All in all a pretty normal thing for those people to do.Not saying it is un-normal, but it is kinda bad.
Tell us the reasons!Awaclus made a scummy joke IIRC.
Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.Ah yes, look here. Besides being pointless RVS at a post-RVS stage, it also reads like emotional manipulation because it refers to some conflict between Andrew and Awaclus that need not have been brought up.
Vote: Andrew
I would rather not.Same, no idea what those reasons are. I read the initial Awaclus-vote as at least close to RVS.I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he isProbably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.
I've read and I can't figure out what these reasons are for either of you. How you think you know you have the same reasons is crazy.
I also thought we weren't claiming non bodyguard, 2.7 was just saying we probably don't have one since no one has claimed and robz took that to mean he should affirm that he is not the bodyguard. Kk then followed suit. All in all a pretty normal thing for those people to do.
Tell us the reasons!
TWM, same reasons for you?I guess I will say my reasons are different than faust's now that he has stated them.
Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.Ah yes, look here. Besides being pointless RVS at a post-RVS stage, it also reads like emotional manipulation because it refers to some conflict between Andrew and Awaclus that need not have been brought up.
Vote: Andrew
TWM, same reasons for you?I guess I will say my reasons are different than faust's now that he has stated them.
I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.
If I had two votes, my second one would be on mcmcsalot.TWM, same reasons for you?I guess I will say my reasons are different than faust's now that he has stated them.
I hate every part of this. vote: twm
And this is still where you want your vote to be?Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.Ah yes, look here. Besides being pointless RVS at a post-RVS stage, it also reads like emotional manipulation because it refers to some conflict between Andrew and Awaclus that need not have been brought up.
Vote: Andrew
There has been no conflict between me and Andrew, he just made a single joke about it in Fibonacci Mafia where I didn't play. So then I made a joke about that joke. And now it's funny because I have explained it.
And this is still where you want your vote to be?Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.Ah yes, look here. Besides being pointless RVS at a post-RVS stage, it also reads like emotional manipulation because it refers to some conflict between Andrew and Awaclus that need not have been brought up.
Vote: Andrew
There has been no conflict between me and Andrew, he just made a single joke about it in Fibonacci Mafia where I didn't play. So then I made a joke about that joke. And now it's funny because I have explained it.
mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
that's not an answerable questionmcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
Why are you being so strange?
This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.
I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.
I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.
I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
porquois?
I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.I like how Robz sounds like the grumpy old guy of f.ds mafia. Is it time to call you Bobz already?
Just kidding, your boyish charm and youthful good looks is a constant envy for me.I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.I like how Robz sounds like the grumpy old guy of f.ds mafia. Is it time to call you Bobz already?
I don't think it's fair to blame faust for reaching when that was so early in the game and there wasn't really much anything to go on yet.I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.
I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I don't see what you don't get. Gkriegs thinks you finding awaclus scummy for his joke about andrew is reaching. Andrew agrees with gkriegs and is going to keep his vote on you.
I think it's an okay theory about why scum!awaclus would make that joke post but I see why gkriegs thinks your reaching. It's an early theory though so they are kinda all reaching. I also hink it's scummy that awaclus is leaving his vote on andrew after explaining that it was a single joke post, but I don't see the harm in his vote being here so I would t expect him to unvote either.
Basically a lot of null/early game stuff going on as opposed to mind reading twm who thought you thought the same thing he did about awaclus and voted for him and now won't say what his reasons which he thought were your reasons are/were. He's scummy.
I've never really understood not sharing your full reads or reasons to vote. Does town need to be deceptive? In the big picture, scum likes people guessing and the situation murky.
Just kidding, your boyish charm and youthful good looks is a constant envy for me.I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.I like how Robz sounds like the grumpy old guy of f.ds mafia. Is it time to call you Bobz already?
But the small pictures end up coming together as the big picture!I've never really understood not sharing your full reads or reasons to vote. Does town need to be deceptive? In the big picture, scum likes people guessing and the situation murky.
In general I agree. But small picture, there are times. And in my opinion this is one of them. I am sure I'll explain at some point if people want me to and I feel it is an appropriate time.
I think I am just not really clear on the meaning of the word "reaching" in this context. Could you paraphrase?I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.
I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I don't see what you don't get. Gkriegs thinks you finding awaclus scummy for his joke about andrew is reaching. Andrew agrees with gkriegs and is going to keep his vote on you.
It's like if Awaclus explained his reads!Just kidding, your boyish charm and youthful good looks is a constant envy for me.I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.I like how Robz sounds like the grumpy old guy of f.ds mafia. Is it time to call you Bobz already?
*Insert heart eyes emoji*
i believe they mean it like you are trying to scumread him and your reasoning is weakI think I am just not really clear on the meaning of the word "reaching" in this context. Could you paraphrase?I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.
I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I don't see what you don't get. Gkriegs thinks you finding awaclus scummy for his joke about andrew is reaching. Andrew agrees with gkriegs and is going to keep his vote on you.
Basically a lot of null/early game stuff going on as opposed to mind reading twm who thought you thought the same thing he did about awaclus and voted for him and now won't say what his reasons which he thought were your reasons are/were. He's scummy.What's scummy about that?
I am totally reaching right now on my vote. Everyone is totally reaching right now. This shouldn't be a scumtell for early on Day 1.I agree. Any reason that follows some sort of logic is way better than slinging votes completely randomly.
i believe they mean it like you are trying to scumread him and your reasoning is weak
I also hink it's scummy that awaclus is leaving his vote on andrew after explaining that it was a single joke post, but I don't see the harm in his vote being here so I would t expect him to unvote either.I must have skipped the middle of this post. You think it's scummy, but you would not expect him to act differently? That does not seem to make a whole lot of sense.
I've never really understood not sharing your full reads or reasons to vote. Does town need to be deceptive? In the big picture, scum likes people guessing and the situation murky.
Andrew is being quieter here, but that's gotta look townie on him, since he was hyper active and scum in the last two games.He is also VLA or something.
Andrew is being quieter here, but that's gotta look townie on him, since he was hyper active and scum in the last two games.He is also VLA or something.
unvote . I realized reaching at the beginning is more of a faust thing, not really scum!faust.How did you come to that realization?
unvote . I realized reaching at the beginning is more of a faust thing, not really scum!faust.How did you come to that realization?
Didn't you realize the opposite this morning?unvote . I realized reaching at the beginning is more of a faust thing, not really scum!faust.How did you come to that realization?
I woke up this morning and realized it.
gut feel vote: Awalcus
Everyone with single-digit post count and no VLA is a disgrace.
I mean it was something that just came to me. It wasn't any one thing.I was wondering if it had more to do with the conversation in thread. Which I thought odd that you wouldn't acknowledge, but sure. I cant and don't want to dispute what you are saying.
So this game. Kinda sucks, right? We have a weekend coming up soon and then the deadline for today will be right at the end of that weekend, Monday at 5 am. I will be around then, but I assume that none of the US people will. So we really should step it up today and tomorrow.Town points for this btw, I had no idea the deadline was so close.
Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.Awaclus would be just as large of a "real" wagon had you gone there instead of 2.7.
What should we vote Awaclus for...? Ah right, you wouldn't tell. Well don't expect to convince a lot of people that way.Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.Awaclus would be just as large of a "real" wagon had you gone there instead of 2.7.
I am not trying to convince anyone. I am just telling Robz that if he wanted to make a large wagon, Awaclus was an option as well and noting that he picked 2.7 instead of Awaclus.What should we vote Awaclus for...? Ah right, you wouldn't tell. Well don't expect to convince a lot of people that way.Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.Awaclus would be just as large of a "real" wagon had you gone there instead of 2.7.
LAL (lynch all lurkers) day 1 has never worked.Probably because you can't lynch all lurkers at the same time. You can only lynch one, which will be manipulated by mafia to make sure that if there is a mafia they aren't lynched.
LAL (lynch all lurkers) day 1 has never worked.Neither has not lynching them.
gk and kk should constantly give their reads of each other.
Have fairly limited access from now to the end of day 1.
also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Also that post is from yesterday. e has been inactive before that.Okay! You do what you want.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
I didn't remember it. I wanted to look at the actual content of his posts if people are voting for him, to see if I wanted to vote for him. I am not saying people should reread him to look for that specific type of a post, but quickly rereading before voting someone rather than relying on the analysis of an unknown player (you) seems like an okish, townie sort of thing to do?Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.
That's a pretty unfair reading of what faust said in response to TWM. Vote: Andrew
Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.
vote: e
LAL (lynch all lurkers) day 1 has never worked.Neither has not lynching them.
BUT! faust's case on e is pretty much that he's lurking, which is kinda lame, amirite?Lurking is also kinda lame.
Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him. gkrieg seems purposefully enigmatic, I'm not sure what's up with that, but would say it's more likely to come from town.
Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
It's not. Did I not just say I don't actually want to push lurker lynches? At least not now. Close to deadline may be a different story.Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
You say it's not. But your voting is indicating differently. I am trying to figure out why that is. You are voting for 2.7 and the only reason you have given is that he is a lurker. Therefore, I am concluding you want to push a lurker lynch. I am sorry if I can't read between the lines to find nonexistent subtext.It's not. Did I not just say I don't actually want to push lurker lynches? At least not now. Close to deadline may be a different story.Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?those are the two people i currently find most interesting. maybe other than faust
No need to get angry. My vote is on e because I don't know where else to put it yet. But I am also tired and need to sleep, so there will not be any big revelations today. Which, I believe, is pretty much what I already said.You say it's not. But your voting is indicating differently. I am trying to figure out why that is. You are voting for 2.7 and the only reason you have given is that he is a lurker. Therefore, I am concluding you want to push a lurker lynch. I am sorry if I can't read between the lines to find nonexistent subtext.It's not. Did I not just say I don't actually want to push lurker lynches? At least not now. Close to deadline may be a different story.Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
There will be more substantial voting tomorrow.
I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
Haha my reasoning for posting that was "I have no scum reads so I'll try to be helpful by showing I'm town by agreeing with someone else who seems towny."I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
You mean the eevee train.
This post is really interesting by kkrieg. And I think scummy
Vote: kkrieg
I thought you meant tomorrow as in Day 2, not tomorrow as in April 21. I misread (but to be fair to me, the word tomorrow in this game has multiple meanings that aren't always completely clear).Ah, I see, sorry then, it was a bit unclear.
Just caught up, whole lot of completely empty posts from schadd, which I don't think is scum indicative but boy is it annoying.The first post even resembling a read. Some more complaining that he doesn't follow. Oookay, the first read is on Andrew, who is town because he's quiet. So the one guy Robz said he cannot read is his first read? Also Andrew was VLA. First vote is e for lurking. Then Andrew vote again. What's with his strange obsession with Andrew? And that's it. A single read (which later flipped), nothing else. Not sure if this is scummy, but it is bad for town.
Hey everyone! I agree I like the bodyguard claiming and being an ic over being a useless bodyguard. Reading the setup though a bodyguard claim lets mafia know 100% the setup. A bodyguard is only present in two scenarios and in one of those mafia has a power.Interesting that mcmc thinks in terms of fakeclaims when that was not what I had in mind as a drawback.
Though I'm not sure if it's a problem if mafia know what the setup is. I feel like this setup is more solevable than most from one or two roles so I don't think mafia can really fake claim.
I think that is the answer I expect from scum.mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I think you think I'm town.
Prod: mcmc
that seems less like a reason for your post and more like exactly the thing that you postsedHaha my reasoning for posting that was "I have no scum reads so I'll try to be helpful by showing I'm town by agreeing with someone else who seems towny."I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
You mean the eevee train.
This post is really interesting by kkrieg. And I think scummy
Vote: kkrieg
Seems like that backfired.
Woo I'm here! Umm I guess I don't know why more people don't think twm is scummy because I do but maybe I'm wrong. Faust seems like Faust. I would say I feel like 2.7 is lurking more then robz because I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother. I don't feel like much has happened yet.
I want to take a look at some people that we haven't talked about a lot.
First, Robz:
Beginning is some theory and then fluff, for quite a while. He continues to say that he's bad at reading Andrew. Okay. Some more theory stuff. Then this:Just caught up, whole lot of completely empty posts from schadd, which I don't think is scum indicative but boy is it annoying.The first post even resembling a read. Some more complaining that he doesn't follow. Oookay, the first read is on Andrew, who is town because he's quiet. So the one guy Robz said he cannot read is his first read? Also Andrew was VLA. First vote is e for lurking. Then Andrew vote again. What's with his strange obsession with Andrew? And that's it. A single read (which later flipped), nothing else. Not sure if this is scummy, but it is bad for town.
Haha my reasoning for posting that was "I have no scum reads so I'll try to be helpful by showing I'm town by agreeing with someone else who seems towny."I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
You mean the eevee train.
This post is really interesting by kkrieg. And I think scummy
Vote: kkrieg
Seems like that backfired.
And 'acti-lurking" is becoming something of a smear, where anyone who isn't lurking, but is also not the number 1 post leader, is somehow act-lurking.i beg to differ. i'm the number 1 post leader and i'm actilurking
I feel like I should put my standard response to this easily copy&pastable.I want to take a look at some people that we haven't talked about a lot.
First, Robz:
Beginning is some theory and then fluff, for quite a while. He continues to say that he's bad at reading Andrew. Okay. Some more theory stuff. Then this:Just caught up, whole lot of completely empty posts from schadd, which I don't think is scum indicative but boy is it annoying.The first post even resembling a read. Some more complaining that he doesn't follow. Oookay, the first read is on Andrew, who is town because he's quiet. So the one guy Robz said he cannot read is his first read? Also Andrew was VLA. First vote is e for lurking. Then Andrew vote again. What's with his strange obsession with Andrew? And that's it. A single read (which later flipped), nothing else. Not sure if this is scummy, but it is bad for town.
I'm not obsessed with Andrew, but his vote for you was like the first thing that happened this game where I had some opinion. It was a bad vote, and I called it out. So that's a contribution, sorry there hasn't been more, but I didn't really follow the TWM thing and well, what else has even happened? And 'acti-lurking" is becoming something of a smear, where anyone who isn't lurking, but is also not the number 1 post leader, is somehow act-lurking.
Why is it townie?Woo I'm here! Umm I guess I don't know why more people don't think twm is scummy because I do but maybe I'm wrong. Faust seems like Faust. I would say I feel like 2.7 is lurking more then robz because I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother. I don't feel like much has happened yet.
Agreed. Townie post.
I find it difficult to judge mcmc's play. Last game we agreed a lot and he was scum. So how would scum!mcmc play this? Probably not the same. But I think he would try to interact with me. There hasn't been a lot of that. So town? Maybe it's just too early to tell.
Why is it townie?Woo I'm here! Umm I guess I don't know why more people don't think twm is scummy because I do but maybe I'm wrong. Faust seems like Faust. I would say I feel like 2.7 is lurking more then robz because I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother. I don't feel like much has happened yet.
Agreed. Townie post.
You also can rembember things you said better because you are your brother?Why is it townie?Woo I'm here! Umm I guess I don't know why more people don't think twm is scummy because I do but maybe I'm wrong. Faust seems like Faust. I would say I feel like 2.7 is lurking more then robz because I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother. I don't feel like much has happened yet.
Agreed. Townie post.
Because it mirrors my thoughts, and I am a townie.
You also can rembember things you said better because you are your brother?Why is it townie?Woo I'm here! Umm I guess I don't know why more people don't think twm is scummy because I do but maybe I'm wrong. Faust seems like Faust. I would say I feel like 2.7 is lurking more then robz because I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother. I don't feel like much has happened yet.
Agreed. Townie post.
Because it mirrors my thoughts, and I am a townie.
I find it difficult to judge mcmc's play. Last game we agreed a lot and he was scum. So how would scum!mcmc play this? Probably not the same. But I think he would try to interact with me. There hasn't been a lot of that. So town? Maybe it's just too early to tell.
From the two games I have played with him, he is more M91 (where he was partners with me and super lurky and barely posting early) than M96 (where he was super active and basically leading the town).
So, I am finding him scummy based on that alone. But probably not worth a vote on that alone.
I'm probably a lurker right now huh?I would prefer you jumped the Robz train.
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
Would you answer the questions I posed earlier?I find it difficult to judge mcmc's play. Last game we agreed a lot and he was scum. So how would scum!mcmc play this? Probably not the same. But I think he would try to interact with me. There hasn't been a lot of that. So town? Maybe it's just too early to tell.
From the two games I have played with him, he is more M91 (where he was partners with me and super lurky and barely posting early) than M96 (where he was super active and basically leading the town).
So, I am finding him scummy based on that alone. But probably not worth a vote on that alone.
I totally get why you feel that way. I think it's more of the fact that I played a couple scum games where town was really inactive and manipulating people as scum was really easy so when I drew a town pr where getting nightkilled was beneficial I tried my absolute hardest to be a super active townie. The results of that were leading town toward two mislynches and being caught by scum who worked around my pr for an all around loss.
First you ask me to paraphrase reaching because it's still confusing. I kinda thought this was explained but gkriegs is just saying you are making a case out of nothing, or that you are taking a small thing, awaclus' post, and making a bunch of jumps to conclusions. It was then discussed that that's understandable because it's early.I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.
I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I don't see what you don't get. Gkriegs thinks you finding awaclus scummy for his joke about andrew is reaching. Andrew agrees with gkriegs and is going to keep his vote on you.
I think it's an okay theory about why scum!awaclus would make that joke post but I see why gkriegs thinks your reaching. It's an early theory though so they are kinda all reaching. I also hink it's scummy that awaclus is leaving his vote on andrew after explaining that it was a single joke post, but I don't see the harm in his vote being here so I would t expect him to unvote either.
Basically a lot of null/early game stuff going on as opposed to mind reading twm who thought you thought the same thing he did about awaclus and voted for him and now won't say what his reasons which he thought were your reasons are/were. He's scummy.
I am saying that I don't have a good read on awaclus. It's a bit strange he decided to leave his vote after explaining it was sort of a joke vote, but upon second thought it's not like there are wagons formed, it's not like Andrew has been super townie, there is no real reason I would expect town!awaclus to unvote in this situation so I shouldn't find it scummy that he doesn't.I also hink it's scummy that awaclus is leaving his vote on andrew after explaining that it was a single joke post, but I don't see the harm in his vote being here so I would t expect him to unvote either.I must have skipped the middle of this post. You think it's scummy, but you would not expect him to act differently? That does not seem to make a whole lot of sense.
Twm sheeped you and voted for awaclus and also said he thought he knew your reasons and that he was voting for the same reasons and tried to make me look bad for asking him about his reasons by saying why don't I go look for them. Me and a few others then looked for your reasons and really couldn't find any. That was when you clarified your reason which gkriegs called reaching and twm said he was voting for awaclus for different reasons but that he didn't want to share them. To me all of what I just described twm doing is scummy.Basically a lot of null/early game stuff going on as opposed to mind reading twm who thought you thought the same thing he did about awaclus and voted for him and now won't say what his reasons which he thought were your reasons are/were. He's scummy.What's scummy about that?
I know that all of this happened; it's in the thread. But this answer brings me no closer to understanding why you think TWM is scum.Twm sheeped you and voted for awaclus and also said he thought he knew your reasons and that he was voting for the same reasons and tried to make me look bad for asking him about his reasons by saying why don't I go look for them. Me and a few others then looked for your reasons and really couldn't find any. That was when you clarified your reason which gkriegs called reaching and twm said he was voting for awaclus for different reasons but that he didn't want to share them. To me all of what I just described twm doing is scummy.Basically a lot of null/early game stuff going on as opposed to mind reading twm who thought you thought the same thing he did about awaclus and voted for him and now won't say what his reasons which he thought were your reasons are/were. He's scummy.What's scummy about that?
I feel like scum!twm want to add his vote to yours when he sees you vote but doesn't want to be the one "pushing" the wagon so he just sheeps and when I ask him about his reasons he gives me this its the same reasons as Faust, go see for yourself. It's just wierd for a towny to say that especially given the fact that it wasn't obviouse what your reasons were for multiple people. Furthermore once you give your reason and gkriegs says it's reaching twm doesn't back you up, he becomes more cryptic about what his reasons are. Just feels like scum hoping you or other townies will take the lead in going for an awaclus lynch.Weird isn't scummy. And being cryptic, which if I am town there is probably a reason for right, has brought more attention to me. If I were scum, being cryptic does nothing for me, except bring bad attention to me. It isn't like it would be hard to make up a reason for voting Awaclus.
i don't think you had strong reason to believe it would give you negative attentionHm. True I guess.
my favorite thing in mafia is when u say something and it's CorrectCapitalization! Does that signify it means something different?
Weird isn't scummy. And being cryptic, which if I am town there is probably a reason for right, has brought more attention to me. If I were scum, being cryptic does nothing for me, except bring bad attention to me. It isn't like it would be hard to make up a reason for voting Awaclus.
OK. But I don't think I have clammed up or been defensive. I have answered questions and provided my reasoning. Except for the one part that I don't want to explain.Weird isn't scummy. And being cryptic, which if I am town there is probably a reason for right, has brought more attention to me. If I were scum, being cryptic does nothing for me, except bring bad attention to me. It isn't like it would be hard to make up a reason for voting Awaclus.
Wierd kinda is scummy. I don't really get the reasons town has to be cryptic. And like schadd said I don't think you expected to get any attention. I think unless I asked you why you voted you were going to get no attention which is why I asked you in the first place. I can't figure out why you've clammed up and been defensive about the situation and it's more of an alignment indication then I've got anywhere else.
People who don't to explain stuff are usually town PRs, in my experience.
People who don't to explain stuff are usually town PRs, in my experience.Yeah. I don't know what to say to that.
I may be warming up to an Andrew lynch.
I may be warming up to an Andrew lynch.
He did straight-up misrepresent your comment about E.
A lot of people in this game seem to have very strange ideas about what kind of behaviour one should expect from scum.
Like who/what?You, Robz, mcmc. And that's just in the last 10 posts.
Like who/what?You, Robz, mcmc. And that's just in the last 10 posts.
A lot of people in this game seem to have very strange ideas about what kind of behaviour one should expect from scum.
A lot of people in this game seem to have very strange ideas about what kind of behaviour one should expect from scum.
So that's why I go after townies as lynch targets. That being said, while I know I probably won't get much movement on kkrieg, I really like my vote
I may be warming up to an Andrew lynch.Nah. That is actually one spot I don't like. That and 2.7.
only one of them is scum though
the thing about those is you have to think about whether it makes sense to be alignment indicative and whether there might be natural reasons i might decide not to do it. one might not be led to believe so but i've been trying to thin my arsenal of tells
That is very anti-town of you.
I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he isProbably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.
I've read and I can't figure out what these reasons are for either of you. How you think you know you have the same reasons is crazy.
I also thought we weren't claiming non bodyguard, 2.7 was just saying we probably don't have one since no one has claimed and robz took that to mean he should affirm that he is not the bodyguard. Kk then followed suit. All in all a pretty normal thing for those people to do.
I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.
are you, uh, calling me an unimpressive town player?only one of them is scum thoughI've been thinking about this more and if you pick any two people in this game, the chances that one of them is scum is pretty high.
sorry, i didn't understand what you were calling anti-town. that i've been retiring tells i have that don't work?the thing about those is you have to think about whether it makes sense to be alignment indicative and whether there might be natural reasons i might decide not to do it. one might not be led to believe so but i've been trying to thin my arsenal of tellsThat is very anti-town of you.
weird is towny.forgot the actual reason for starting this post: twm is towny
robz is towny
mcmc scummy
got to give town points for faust for leading
why is andrew brought up so often as a viable lynch without accompanying vote movement?
weird is towny.boom. pow. blam. whap. [bone crunching sounds]
robz is towny
mcmc scummy
got to give town points for faust for leading
why is andrew brought up so often as a viable lynch without accompanying vote movement?
unrelated, but i always feel so smart for using words like accompanying or movement, literally only because they have so many letters. i may be dumb.weird is towny.boom. pow. blam. whap. [bone crunching sounds]
robz is towny
mcmc scummy
got to give town points for faust for leading
why is andrew brought up so often as a viable lynch without accompanying vote movement?
i think you are just a nice guy.you said this a few times l@st g@me
Hells yeah!weird is towny.forgot the actual reason for starting this post: twm is towny
robz is towny
mcmc scummy
got to give town points for faust for leading
why is andrew brought up so often as a viable lynch without accompanying vote movement?
you called me not dumb, what am i to say in response, call you ugly mcuglyface? no no noi think you are just a nice guy.you said this a few times l@st g@me
Hehe. That should replace lockjaw.you called me not dumb, what am i to say in response, call you ugly mcuglyface? no no noi think you are just a nice guy.you said this a few times l@st g@me
Maybe I am getting better at reading schadd? I can understand about 95% of what he is saying. Or is that scum indicative of him?Interested in his flip in this game, what if not being cryptic is his scumtell (aka kryptonite)?
why so loose with bringing up buddying? scum narrative could be maintaining the idea in people's head that that's a scummy behavior eevee often exhibits, hoping someone will bite.not sure i follow
Maybe I am getting better at reading schadd? I can understand about 95% of what he is saying. Or is that scum indicative of him?i am kind of trying to be Concise and Sensical. also i haven't said all that much of substance which is where things start to get misty
you wouldn't like mafiascum, like, at allyou called me not dumb, what am i to say in response, call you ugly mcuglyface? no no noi think you are just a nice guy.you said this a few times l@st g@me
there is a queue of things that i'm also not putting thereHehe. That should replace lockjaw.you called me not dumb, what am i to say in response, call you ugly mcuglyface? no no noi think you are just a nice guy.you said this a few times l@st g@me
robz suggested the opposite thing is also maybe a scumtell like seven seconds agoMaybe I am getting better at reading schadd? I can understand about 95% of what he is saying. Or is that scum indicative of him?Interested in his flip in this game, what if not being cryptic is his scumtell (aka kryptonite)?
Well I know I'm not scum so you must be? :)only one of them is scum though
I've been thinking about this more and if you pick any two people in this game, the chances that one of them is scum is pretty high.
I feel like this is a great question.Like who/what?You, Robz, mcmc. And that's just in the last 10 posts.
So what should I be looking for, to find scum, then? I'm not saying you're wrong, I've had good cause to ask myself this very question in recent games.
And the answer is simple but doesn't help you much probably: Try to see if the player has a consistent town narrative for their actions, and furthermore, try to see whether their posts make sense from a scum perspective. There are two main mistakes to make in scumhunting:I feel like this is a great question.Like who/what?You, Robz, mcmc. And that's just in the last 10 posts.
So what should I be looking for, to find scum, then? I'm not saying you're wrong, I've had good cause to ask myself this very question in recent games.
It's definitely one of the better ones.A lot of people in this game seem to have very strange ideas about what kind of behaviour one should expect from scum.
So that's why I go after townies as lynch targets. That being said, while I know I probably won't get much movement on kkrieg, I really like my vote
robz is townyWhy?
And the answer is simple but doesn't help you much probably: Try to see if the player has a consistent town narrative for their actions, and furthermore, try to see whether their posts make sense from a scum perspective. There are two main mistakes to make in scumhunting:I feel like this is a great question.Like who/what?You, Robz, mcmc. And that's just in the last 10 posts.
So what should I be looking for, to find scum, then? I'm not saying you're wrong, I've had good cause to ask myself this very question in recent games.
1. Anti-town != scummy.
Scum will usually shy away from openly anit-town behaviour, especially in the early game. Robz talking about TWM being a PR is therefore not a scumtell.
2. Weird != scummy.
Scum (usually) wants town to understand their posts because they want to present themselves in a certain way. Acting strange and unrelatable is usually not a sign of scumminess.
This is true of course, but then if you establish this as a norm too strongly, it gives scum license to behave wacky and anti-town and get away with it... which is what scum wants to do anyway, since it's easier.That's right, but I don't think f.ds meta is anywhere near that level.
This is true of course, but then if you establish this as a norm too strongly, it gives scum license to behave wacky and anti-town and get away with it... which is what scum wants to do anyway, since it's easier.That's right, but I don't think f.ds meta is anywhere near that level.
So this game. Kinda sucks, right? We have a weekend coming up soon and then the deadline for today will be right at the end of that weekend, Monday at 5 am. I will be around then, but I assume that none of the US people will. So we really should step it up today and tomorrow.Well this didn't happen.
Andrew's ratio of saying things to things having been said about him is very low.
Post count for me to see who is responsible:
Awaclus - 9
Robz888 - 17
The_Wine_Merchant - 21
шэдд (I assume this is schadd by PoE - LaLight, please change this) - 46
Eevee - 17
gkrieg13 - 19
AndrewisFTTW - 4 (VLA)
2.71828..... - 7
faust - 28
mcmcsalot - 10
kkrieg - 7
Everyone with single-digit post count and no VLA is a disgrace.
In my mind, TWM is lurking, so seeing him high up is kinda strange. But I guess it's all relative.
Vote: e LAL
Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.
So this game. Kinda sucks, right? We have a weekend coming up soon and then the deadline for today will be right at the end of that weekend, Monday at 5 am. I will be around then, but I assume that none of the US people will. So we really should step it up today and tomorrow.Town points for this btw, I had no idea the deadline was so close.
also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.
Also gkrieg's "realization" about faust is... interesting. Not sure I buy it. If one of them flips scum we should lynch the other. This isn't taking into consideration other information of course.
If there was a "Super Crazy V/LA" thread I would've posted in that. I'll be back in business on Sunday.
It is interesting that no one brought up my vote on eevee, rather just how I was lurking. No one wants to buddy eevee? He is such a buddy-able person. Super friendly to everyone
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.
That's a pretty unfair reading of what faust said in response to TWM. Vote: Andrew
Yeah I guess you're right.
Unvote
BUT! faust's case on e is pretty much that he's lurking, which is kinda lame, amirite?
vote: e
What's up with this? Your post before this was saying lynching lurkers doesn't work.
LAL (lynch all lurkers) day 1 has never worked.Neither has not lynching them.
Very accurate. Scum have lurked to victory several times. The more you post the easier it is to come across scummy...or appear towny.
You say it's not. But your voting is indicating differently. I am trying to figure out why that is. You are voting for 2.7 and the only reason you have given is that he is a lurker. Therefore, I am concluding you want to push a lurker lynch. I am sorry if I can't read between the lines to find nonexistent subtext.It's not. Did I not just say I don't actually want to push lurker lynches? At least not now. Close to deadline may be a different story.Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?those are the two people i currently find most interesting. maybe other than faust
I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
You mean the eevee train.
This post is really interesting by kkrieg. And I think scummy
Vote: kkrieg
I think that is the answer I expect from scum.mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I think you think I'm town.
Vote: Robz
And 'acti-lurking" is becoming something of a smear, where anyone who isn't lurking, but is also not the number 1 post leader, is somehow act-lurking.i beg to differ. i'm the number 1 post leader and i'm actilurking
That's why I didn't answer before, I don't really have a better answer then I think what twm did is scummy. I mean it's not even crazy scummy, it's just the scummiest thing I have seen yet. Maybe it helps if I tell a narrative that fits.
I feel like scum!twm want to add his vote to yours when he sees you vote but doesn't want to be the one "pushing" the wagon so he just sheeps and when I ask him about his reasons he gives me this its the same reasons as Faust, go see for yourself. It's just wierd for a towny to say that especially given the fact that it wasn't obviouse what your reasons were for multiple people. Furthermore once you give your reason and gkriegs says it's reaching twm doesn't back you up, he becomes more cryptic about what his reasons are. Just feels like scum hoping you or other townies will take the lead in going for an awaclus lynch.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.
Also gkrieg's "realization" about faust is... interesting. Not sure I buy it. If one of them flips scum we should lynch the other. This isn't taking into consideration other information of course.
If there was a "Super Crazy V/LA" thread I would've posted in that. I'll be back in business on Sunday.
This seems like just a strange post. Like why are you choosing to question these things? Not rereading people D1 is a pretty normal thing to do. Usually you want to reread things for interactions, so just going off of gut and cases D1 is normal.
And questioning my gut feels seems very strange. And making such a definitive statement as we should lynch the other seems very strong D1 for someone who is saying we need to reread people already.
So that's why I go after townies as lynch targets. That being said, while I know I probably won't get much movement on kkrieg, I really like my vote
are you, uh, calling me an unimpressive town player?only one of them is scum thoughI've been thinking about this more and if you pick any two people in this game, the chances that one of them is scum is pretty high.
sorry, i didn't understand what you were calling anti-town. that i've been retiring tells i have that don't work?the thing about those is you have to think about whether it makes sense to be alignment indicative and whether there might be natural reasons i might decide not to do it. one might not be led to believe so but i've been trying to thin my arsenal of tellsThat is very anti-town of you.
Awaclus why should I not be voting for you?
Awaclus why should I not be voting for you?
I haven't, in any way, shape or form, indicated that I have any information that only scum would have or a scum perspective.
why so loose with bringing up buddying? scum narrative could be maintaining the idea in people's head that that's a scummy behavior eevee often exhibits, hoping someone will bite.
why so loose with bringing up buddying? scum narrative could be maintaining the idea in people's head that that's a scummy behavior eevee often exhibits, hoping someone will bite.not sure i followMaybe I am getting better at reading schadd? I can understand about 95% of what he is saying. Or is that scum indicative of him?i am kind of trying to be Concise and Sensical. also i haven't said all that much of substance which is where things start to get mistyyou wouldn't like mafiascum, like, at allyou called me not dumb, what am i to say in response, call you ugly mcuglyface? no no noi think you are just a nice guy.you said this a few times l@st g@methere is a queue of things that i'm also not putting thereHehe. That should replace lockjaw.you called me not dumb, what am i to say in response, call you ugly mcuglyface? no no noi think you are just a nice guy.you said this a few times l@st g@merobz suggested the opposite thing is also maybe a scumtell like seven seconds agoMaybe I am getting better at reading schadd? I can understand about 95% of what he is saying. Or is that scum indicative of him?Interested in his flip in this game, what if not being cryptic is his scumtell (aka kryptonite)?
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.
Also gkrieg's "realization" about faust is... interesting. Not sure I buy it. If one of them flips scum we should lynch the other. This isn't taking into consideration other information of course.
If there was a "Super Crazy V/LA" thread I would've posted in that. I'll be back in business on Sunday.
This seems like just a strange post. Like why are you choosing to question these things? Not rereading people D1 is a pretty normal thing to do. Usually you want to reread things for interactions, so just going off of gut and cases D1 is normal.
And questioning my gut feels seems very strange. And making such a definitive statement as we should lynch the other seems very strong D1 for someone who is saying we need to reread people already.
Nope. I only made that comment because faust mentioned he didn't feel the need to reread, which I took to imply that he would otherwise reread but feels strongly enough to vote early without doing so. As Robz pointed out, faust was really referring to rereading for a potential V/LA podt from each but he didn't feel the need to, and I simply misread.
Anyway, what do you think so this scumslip from e?So that's why I go after townies as lynch targets. That being said, while I know I probably won't get much movement on kkrieg, I really like my vote
Awaclus why should I not be voting for you?
I haven't, in any way, shape or form, indicated that I have any information that only scum would have or a scum perspective.
Awaclus why should I not be voting for you?
I haven't, in any way, shape or form, indicated that I have any information that only scum would have or a scum perspective.
It's cute that you still think this is the only way to read you.
I think more people should be voting kkrieg.
Everyone seems to be playing into their meta pretty well. The only person who has done anything scummy is kkrieg, but that could also be just being new. I could possibly get behind a Robz lynch just because.
I think TWM is town, not so sure about everyone else
Ditto question ^^^^.I think more people should be voting kkrieg.
Everyone seems to be playing into their meta pretty well. The only person who has done anything scummy is kkrieg, but that could also be just being new. I could possibly get behind a Robz lynch just because.
I think TWM is town, not so sure about everyone else
What scummy things has she done?
Awaclus why should I not be voting for you?
I haven't, in any way, shape or form, indicated that I have any information that only scum would have or a scum perspective.
It's cute that you still think this is the only way to read you.
It is the only way to read anyone. Thinking otherwise is believing in pseudoscience.
Hey Robz remember when town!gkrieg made a big deal about something that was totally not a scumslip? But now he thinks this one isn't suspect at all.
Hey Robz remember when town!gkrieg made a big deal about something that was totally not a scumslip? But now he thinks this one isn't suspect at all.
Well because this one is obviously sarcasm
It would appear, based off his vote not moving, that he thinks you have.Awaclus why should I not be voting for you?
I haven't, in any way, shape or form, indicated that I have any information that only scum would have or a scum perspective.
Who do you think has indicated they do?
I thought more people would follow on e, with kkrieg being a newbie and all.Post count for me to see who is responsible:
Awaclus - 9
Robz888 - 17
The_Wine_Merchant - 21
шэдд (I assume this is schadd by PoE - LaLight, please change this) - 46
Eevee - 17
gkrieg13 - 19
AndrewisFTTW - 4 (VLA)
2.71828..... - 7
faust - 28
mcmcsalot - 10
kkrieg - 7
Everyone with single-digit post count and no VLA is a disgrace.
In my mind, TWM is lurking, so seeing him high up is kinda strange. But I guess it's all relative.
Vote: e LAL
Why did you pick e here over kkrieg?
I thought more people would follow on e, with kkrieg being a newbie and all.Post count for me to see who is responsible:
Awaclus - 9
Robz888 - 17
The_Wine_Merchant - 21
шэдд (I assume this is schadd by PoE - LaLight, please change this) - 46
Eevee - 17
gkrieg13 - 19
AndrewisFTTW - 4 (VLA)
2.71828..... - 7
faust - 28
mcmcsalot - 10
kkrieg - 7
Everyone with single-digit post count and no VLA is a disgrace.
In my mind, TWM is lurking, so seeing him high up is kinda strange. But I guess it's all relative.
Vote: e LAL
Why did you pick e here over kkrieg?
It would appear, based off his vote not moving, that he thinks you have.Awaclus why should I not be voting for you?
I haven't, in any way, shape or form, indicated that I have any information that only scum would have or a scum perspective.
Who do you think has indicated they do?
i think the pr-comment is much more likely to come from town.robz is townyWhy?
i always find people i haven't played with before hard to read, applies to kkrieg very much here. although i guess if they've talked about the game at all, she's had a pretty good mentor.gkrieg and I have talked surprisingly little about mafia.
still, if the case is just not saying a lot of insightful stuff, that's hard enough day 1 when you know everyone and all the game mechanics, let alone for someone who is still learning the ropes. i'm willing to give some leeway (only extends for day 1!)
I'm sorry it's my birthday tomorrow and I'm celebrating, I'll catch up Sunday evening at the latest. So I should around pre-deadline and deadline.Happy birthday!
Ah yes. I see where that's coming from. But when Robz posted that, he was already under suspicion. I think any-alignment!Robz is very aware of the reactions he causes with such a post, and I believe it's a bit more likely to come from scum!Robz.i think the pr-comment is much more likely to come from town.robz is townyWhy?
A wagon! Great. The best way to combat it will be to post a bunch, so I will do what I can.I don't feel good about this post. Town thinks that probably, but why post it? Oversharing isn't townie, but scum often thinks it is.
So the question becomes, did scum vote for me, and does eevee have some sort of relationship with scum?e asks this question, but there's never a follow-up on it. If town!e thinks that, then why not investigate further?
Faust voting me was a fairly standard "get the game moving" post- very alignment neutral. The following votes didn't build on it at all, mostly just sheeping, which isn't terrible, but easy for scum to do
I will note that it is convenient for scum to leave their vote on someone they know will not get lynched and then potentially switch late in the day with the excuse of "had to get a lynch through!" (or stay off the lynch wagon if they know it'll be a townie). Not sure if scum!e would be so direct about it.A lot of people in this game seem to have very strange ideas about what kind of behaviour one should expect from scum.
So that's why I go after townies as lynch targets. That being said, while I know I probably won't get much movement on kkrieg, I really like my vote
Null probably, especially at this stage in the game.I think that is the answer I expect from scum.mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I think you think I'm town.
What answer would you expect from town?
My two biggest townreads are on mcmc. Can you convince me that he's scum?Probably not. I am not even convinced myself.
Hey Robz remember when town!gkrieg made a big deal about something that was totally not a scumslip? But now he thinks this one isn't suspect at all.
Well because this one is obviously sarcasm
Really? Hold on.
Hm, I'm surprised that Andrew is voting for me, given that he was also trying to rally me to think gkrieg was a hypocrite over some perceived scumslip (I think that's what that was about?)
{eevee, faust}Hey, we've talked about cryptography!
{kkrieg, twm}
{andrew, awaclus, e}
{robz}
{gkrieg, mcmc}
should be rather evidentAny interest in mcmc or gkrieg?those are the two people i currently find most interesting. maybe other than faust
Why those three?
it kind of definitely does say somethingonly one of them is scum though
this is something that looks like it is a read, but doesn't really say anything.
If I were a vig, I would consider shooting him (checked the setup and there isn't a vig possible).this is the kind of thing i would not like to say, in a traitor environment. why would one want to vig me but not lynch me?
i trimmed my quote to the thing i would think this is referring to. i haven't said all that much of substance this game because i haven't uh encountered much of the kind of things i like to talk about substantially. i also don't remember saying that i'm being anti-townSo if you are aware of a lot of these things, why do you still do them? Like you say that you are anti-town with the amount of words/content you have, but you keep doing the same things.Maybe I am getting better at reading schadd? I can understand about 95% of what he is saying. Or is that scum indicative of him?i am kind of trying to be Concise and Sensical. also i haven't said all that much of substance which is where things start to get misty
So if you are aware of a lot of these things, why do you still do them? Like you say that you are anti-town with the amount of words/content you have, but you keep doing the same things.
My two biggest townreads are on mcmc. Can you convince me that he's scum?i townread him hard last game for being super invested and conversational, he looks neither here
town{eevee, faust}Hey, we've talked about cryptography!
{kkrieg, twm}
{andrew, awaclus, e}
{robz}
{gkrieg, mcmc}
To be fair, last game he was actively trying to get mafia to NK him to make good use of his PR. (Even if that strategy backfired). But I still like my vote on him.My two biggest townreads are on mcmc. Can you convince me that he's scum?i townread him hard last game for being super invested and conversational, he looks neither here
I could vote for E or kkrieg for being sort of hard to read and on the lower activity side.
Hm, I'm surprised that Andrew is voting for me, given that he was also trying to rally me to think gkrieg was a hypocrite over some perceived scumslip (I think that's what that was about?)
Not rallying, just wanted to know what you thought about it. But alas, I missed e's sarcasm.
Can I just remind everyone that Awaclus is still voting Andrew because Andrew said he wouldn't sign up for anymore games with Awaclus?
Vote: Robz
Hm, I'm surprised that Andrew is voting for me, given that he was also trying to rally me to think gkrieg was a hypocrite over some perceived scumslip (I think that's what that was about?)
Not rallying, just wanted to know what you thought about it. But alas, I missed e's sarcasm.
If you miss sarcasm I can always provide more, we just have to lynch Robz first because he believes all jokes (especially the sarcastic ones) come from scum
That being said, I am not sure what sarcasm you are referring to. I want trying to be sarcastic with my posts
Is anyone else willing to vote Robz?Not at the moment.
This feels exactly like the last time Robz was mislynched D1. I don't like it.
Vote: e
Maybe?
Would you guys rather no lynch on D1? Because that would suck and we're running out of time.
This feels exactly like the last time Robz was mislynched D1. I don't like it.
Vote: e
Maybe?
I remember town!Robz fighting harder against his lynch before, but this is a little different. He's not at L-1 and it's D1.
This feels exactly like the last time Robz was mislynched D1. I don't like it.
Vote: e
Maybe?
I remember town!Robz fighting harder against his lynch before, but this is a little different. He's not at L-1 and it's D1.
To be fair, he will be the go-to lynch if nothing changes soon.
Of the remaining people with >1 vote I would go Andrew over mcmc over Robz.
This feels exactly like the last time Robz was mislynched D1. I don't like it.
Vote: e
Maybe?
I remember town!Robz fighting harder against his lynch before, but this is a little different. He's not at L-1 and it's D1.
To be fair, he will be the go-to lynch if nothing changes soon.
Faust moving his vote changes that. Speaking of which, I like
Vote: faust
Better than Robz. I have convinced myself that I believe Robz at least for today
I Can understand that, I do think people think twm is towny though.That's why I didn't answer before, I don't really have a better answer then I think what twm did is scummy. I mean it's not even crazy scummy, it's just the scummiest thing I have seen yet. Maybe it helps if I tell a narrative that fits.
I feel like scum!twm want to add his vote to yours when he sees you vote but doesn't want to be the one "pushing" the wagon so he just sheeps and when I ask him about his reasons he gives me this its the same reasons as Faust, go see for yourself. It's just wierd for a towny to say that especially given the fact that it wasn't obviouse what your reasons were for multiple people. Furthermore once you give your reason and gkriegs says it's reaching twm doesn't back you up, he becomes more cryptic about what his reasons are. Just feels like scum hoping you or other townies will take the lead in going for an awaclus lynch.
I think I get your reasoning here. And I think they only apply if people think TWM is generally townie and they like to sheep him. Like this would be a good case on faust, but not a very good case on TWM.
They do now. Previously, when this all was happening, they didn't, it was up in the air. I think I have done a decent job of making sure town people have had opportunities to accurately read me despite some somewhat unknown situations earlier. You are the exception, which is partially why I am suspicious of you.I Can understand that, I do think people think twm is towny though.That's why I didn't answer before, I don't really have a better answer then I think what twm did is scummy. I mean it's not even crazy scummy, it's just the scummiest thing I have seen yet. Maybe it helps if I tell a narrative that fits.
I feel like scum!twm want to add his vote to yours when he sees you vote but doesn't want to be the one "pushing" the wagon so he just sheeps and when I ask him about his reasons he gives me this its the same reasons as Faust, go see for yourself. It's just wierd for a towny to say that especially given the fact that it wasn't obviouse what your reasons were for multiple people. Furthermore once you give your reason and gkriegs says it's reaching twm doesn't back you up, he becomes more cryptic about what his reasons are. Just feels like scum hoping you or other townies will take the lead in going for an awaclus lynch.
I think I get your reasoning here. And I think they only apply if people think TWM is generally townie and they like to sheep him. Like this would be a good case on faust, but not a very good case on TWM.
OMGUS is not a very good way to find your reads.PARTIALLY
OMGUS is not a very good way to find your reads.
Awaclus would be a total "guess" lynch for me, he has played just like I'd expect him to play day 1 either alignment. I think he is generally hard to townread with certainty, but conversely also hard to pinpoint as scum. Especially this early, this is just totally what I think both scum and town versions of Awaclus would look like.
Awaclus would be a total "guess" lynch for me, he has played just like I'd expect him to play day 1 either alignment. I think he is generally hard to townread with certainty, but conversely also hard to pinpoint as scum. Especially this early, this is just totally what I think both scum and town versions of Awaclus would look like.
Empty post. I'd lynch Eevee.
gkrieg, you prefer town right?
Would you guys rather no lynch on D1? Because that would suck and we're running out of time.
why town>IC?gkrieg, you prefer town right?
I think my preference would be town>mafia>IC>Traitor>SK.
elabor8Would you guys rather no lynch on D1? Because that would suck and we're running out of time.
This is what I would expect from scum!Andrew.
vote: Andrew
My two biggest townreads are on mcmc. Can you convince me that he's scum?
why town>IC?gkrieg, you prefer town right?
I think my preference would be town>mafia>IC>Traitor>SK.elabor8Would you guys rather no lynch on D1? Because that would suck and we're running out of time.
This is what I would expect from scum!Andrew.
vote: Andrew
Someone give me a reason to not vote Awaclus, other than him saying that he doesn't anything to scumslip--as he has failed to show that anyone else has done that thus far this game.
Never mind, just read through M97, and I was completely misremembering it...in 2 minutes?
This feels exactly like the last time Robz was mislynched D1. I don't like it.
Vote: e
Maybe?
I remember town!Robz fighting harder against his lynch before, but this is a little different. He's not at L-1 and it's D1.
To be fair, he will be the go-to lynch if nothing changes soon.
Faust moving his vote changes that. Speaking of which, I like
Vote: faust
Better than Robz. I have convinced myself that I believe Robz at least for today
Why faust? I don't like this at all, actually.
Never mind, just read through M97, and I was completely misremembering it...in 2 minutes?
They do now. Previously, when this all was happening, they didn't, it was up in the air. I think I have done a decent job of making sure town people have had opportunities to accurately read me despite some somewhat unknown situations earlier. You are the exception, which is partially why I am suspicious of you.I Can understand that, I do think people think twm is towny though.That's why I didn't answer before, I don't really have a better answer then I think what twm did is scummy. I mean it's not even crazy scummy, it's just the scummiest thing I have seen yet. Maybe it helps if I tell a narrative that fits.
I feel like scum!twm want to add his vote to yours when he sees you vote but doesn't want to be the one "pushing" the wagon so he just sheeps and when I ask him about his reasons he gives me this its the same reasons as Faust, go see for yourself. It's just wierd for a towny to say that especially given the fact that it wasn't obviouse what your reasons were for multiple people. Furthermore once you give your reason and gkriegs says it's reaching twm doesn't back you up, he becomes more cryptic about what his reasons are. Just feels like scum hoping you or other townies will take the lead in going for an awaclus lynch.
I think I get your reasoning here. And I think they only apply if people think TWM is generally townie and they like to sheep him. Like this would be a good case on faust, but not a very good case on TWM.
ah
you def. didn't fail super hard last game
So what are we going to do? Didn't want to lynch mcmc before, don't want to lynch him now either.que sera sera
This just feels like genuinely busy mcmc to me, him actually being what he says makes a lot of sense. The problem is I don't have a great alternative candidate...in 477 he said he was caught up; not busy, rather sleepy/inebriated. and the investment he bled when he was town in M96 can still be present even if he's busy.
I mean, who is here right now?me!
I mean if all we can do is lynch mcmc or no one, I will vote for mcmc befoere I go to sleep in about 2 hrsI agree with this.
TWM was already voting Awaclus so he's at L-1 I think.
how about you talk about why you are voting awaclus pleeeeez
I do not like that wagon. Some of the scummiest scummies on there.Pshawwwwwwww
TWM is at mcmcs party too I guess :PPartyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go! Any takers? Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions
Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go! Any takers? Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions
he reacted pretty quickly to my initial kinda random vote at him
he hasn't been particularly helpful
he jumped on the mcmc train
honestly my reasons are weak but heyy it is day 1
yeaOf Awaclus/mcmc? Man, honestly I don't know.
whomst would you have pushed?
Keep in mind it's his birthday, I don't know if he'll be around. Are we really comfortable lynching him without a claim? I mean, I would rather lynch him than get lynched myself, but objectively, I don't know if that's the smartest thing,
Vote: awaclus
schadd, why did you ask mcmc?mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I think you think I'm town.
I would be open to lynching andrew, twm, 2.7. kkrieg, eevee, awaclus.Is mcmc's partner in here? Arguably yes. But it's a big list, so eh.
I'd be ok with Awaclus or Andrewkkrieg does not mention mcmc at all here. Scummy.
I would go for E if the votes were there. If not I'll stick with Andrew. Awaclus is also fine. This does not feel like scum mcmc to me.Also not too good, but it feels unlikely that both scum would claim VT on D1.
This is interesting interaction:tone read. if you look back at how i read him it might make sense that i would just want him to talk about generic game stuffschadd, why did you ask mcmc?mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I think you think I'm town.
Boy, I have to learn how to read mcmc.ho ho ho he he he ha ha ha
Rough night for scum.
Yes, TWM looks very bad in light of faust's analysis. Vote: TWM
Boy, I have to learn how to read mcmc.ho ho ho he he he ha ha ha
Rough night for scum.
Yes, TWM looks very bad in light of faust's analysis. Vote: TWM
Boy, I have to learn how to read mcmc.ho ho ho he he he ha ha ha
Rough night for scum.
Yes, TWM looks very bad in light of faust's analysis. Vote: TWM
Bleh. It is bedtime and we need a lynch
Vote: mcmc
Nevermindlol lol lol lol townie
Vote: Awaclus
I think I'm happy with a vote: TWM for now.Huh.
schadd gets it.Boy, I have to learn how to read mcmc.ho ho ho he he he ha ha ha
Rough night for scum.
Yes, TWM looks very bad in light of faust's analysis. Vote: TWM
Also there clearly was a blocked kill. That can be any of SK/1-shot BP/JK/Traitor uwittingly blocking their partner, so I'm not sure if a claim helps us here.
I just need to stick to my guns. I was the primary pusher of the mcmcsalot lynch Day 1. faust's analysis seems to have completely missed that and Robx couldn't be bothered to go look for himself.i don't think u know what the accusation on u is
Apparently not. Obviously not mcmc's partner.I just need to stick to my guns. I was the primary pusher of the mcmcsalot lynch Day 1. faust's analysis seems to have completely missed that and Robx couldn't be bothered to go look for himself.i don't think u know what the accusation on u is
I just need to stick to my guns. I was the primary pusher of the mcmcsalot lynch Day 1. faust's analysis seems to have completely missed that and Robx couldn't be bothered to go look for himself.I saw that, but it doesn't matter.
mcmcsalot fooled me by looking nonchalant when he claimed and I got nervous. I am most suspicious of Robz and faust. Especially when faust told me that voting for mcmcsalot because of OMGUS was bad when that was obviously not the only reason I was voting for him.I had explicitly asked you to provide a reason before that, and you did not deliver anything, so I fail to see how it was anything but OMGUS.
My two biggest townreads are on mcmc. Can you convince me that he's scum?Probably not. I am not even convinced myself.
These are my emotions right now in regard to you:I just need to stick to my guns. I was the primary pusher of the mcmcsalot lynch Day 1. faust's analysis seems to have completely missed that and Robx couldn't be bothered to go look for himself.I saw that, but it doesn't matter.
See here:Oh wow. You can find one quote. Good job. I can find one too.My two biggest townreads are on mcmc. Can you convince me that he's scum?Probably not. I am not even convinced myself.
This feels very similar to mcmc from M91. I don't like the 2.7 wagon, now or earlier.
At least one scum (maybe two if SK thinks they can get on this) in faust, Robz and schadd.
OMGUS is not a very good way to find your reads.
oh my fuck.At least one scum (maybe two if SK thinks they can get on this) in faust, Robz and schadd.OMGUS is not a very good way to find your reads.
Worked once this game so far. Why not again?We should lynch all players whose name contains an m. It worked once this game so far. Why not again?
cause that is totally the same thing that I am saying here.Worked once this game so far. Why not again?We should lynch all players whose name contains an m. It worked once this game so far. Why not again?
That is indeed my point.cause that is totally the same thing that I am saying here.Worked once this game so far. Why not again?We should lynch all players whose name contains an m. It worked once this game so far. Why not again?
vote: faust for being deliberately combative and caustic here. For deliberately ignoring important parts of my play and narrative when making a case against me. He has to be aggressive and desperate to get a win here and this is what he is doing.
Oops. That should say I'll go away, not that you should. Obviously I can't tell you what to do. And that wouldn't be nice.Well it's very much possible that I should too.
gkrieg looks sk here (a few un-townie things but he wouldn't push a partner d1) but that kill seems too obviousThis is interesting interaction:tone read. if you look back at how i read him it might make sense that i would just want him to talk about generic game stuffschadd, why did you ask mcmc?mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I think you think I'm town.
gkrieg may have gotten recruited
if not, can the traitor tell us whomst they roleblocked in twilight after we lynch them?
Oh go away for a little bit.
You are obviously going to be able to win any argument that I put at you because you are better at twisting words and using select quotes and appealing to emotions in a way that people still like you at the end of it.
So I am not even going to try and get frustrated with you. I'll put up some stuff later today (today as in today in this game by the way, like Saturday or Sunday) as long as I don't get lynched.
Then you can just totally demolish it and get everyone to ignore it.
Uh, I don't think SK wants to kill scum N1 here. If I were SK I would want to let mcmc live and try to lynch him again today. You get towncred for lynching scum, so you want them alive for that. At least the first night.Yeah; that is why the mcmc kill makes very little sense to me. If the SK thinks mcmc is scum, they want to keep him alive and push a lynch. If they think he's town, then they would much rather kill a PR than a claimed VT.
Uh I'm really surprised you are so touchy about this. Say why doing what you did D 1 is townie. Also I know kkrieg was online and could've voted mcmcsalot. vote: kkriegGah. You know that that is the kind of thing you should try to avoid, right?
babe u knew it was last her bedtime & u shouldn't have asked difficult questionsOh go away for a little bit.
You are obviously going to be able to win any argument that I put at you because you are better at twisting words and using select quotes and appealing to emotions in a way that people still like you at the end of it.
So I am not even going to try and get frustrated with you. I'll put up some stuff later today (today as in today in this game by the way, like Saturday or Sunday) as long as I don't get lynched.
Then you can just totally demolish it and get everyone to ignore it.
Uh I'm really surprised you are so touchy about this. Say why doing what you did D 1 is townie. Also I know kkrieg was online and could've voted mcmcsalot. vote: kkrieg
Uh I'm really surprised you are so touchy about this. Say why doing what you did D 1 is townie. Also I know kkrieg was online and could've voted mcmcsalot. vote: kkriegGah. You know that that is the kind of thing you should try to avoid, right?
Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go! Any takers? Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions
he reacted pretty quickly to my initial kinda random vote at him
he hasn't been particularly helpful
he jumped on the mcmc train
honestly my reasons are weak but heyy it is day 1
i'm trying to think of a better analogy than "i'm such a good starcraft player, look at how many minerals i have"I don't know what that means.
you pushed on him during the day, yes. end of day is whenlynches happen and at end of day you lynched awaclus for voting the guy you're trying to get towncred for pushingI am aware at how mediocre my Day 1 performance was. Thank you very much. And I am not saying I should be the IC. I just don't think I should be the default lynch or the go-to suspect today. I think the evidence argues against that.
and if you hadn't made the switcheroo it would have likely been a d1 correct lynch. it seems as though e would have voted mcmc and faust would have kind of been forced into itYes. Yes. Yes. I am a bad town player and I should feel bad.
Wait, you think I am the SK?Uh, I don't think SK wants to kill scum N1 here. If I were SK I would want to let mcmc live and try to lynch him again today. You get towncred for lynching scum, so you want them alive for that. At least the first night.Yeah; that is why the mcmc kill makes very little sense to me. If the SK thinks mcmc is scum, they want to keep him alive and push a lynch. If they think he's town, then they would much rather kill a PR than a claimed VT.
It speaks to newb!SK, and the fact that TWM thought this flip would make him look townie adds to that narrative.
I will. I am just not going to have an opportunity to go back and spend an adequate amount of time to put that together until the weekend. I have a feeling I will get derphammered before I have a chance and that once I do someone (faust) who is better with words will manipulate it and tear it to shreds. But I will give it a try.Oh go away for a little bit.
You are obviously going to be able to win any argument that I put at you because you are better at twisting words and using select quotes and appealing to emotions in a way that people still like you at the end of it.
So I am not even going to try and get frustrated with you. I'll put up some stuff later today (today as in today in this game by the way, like Saturday or Sunday) as long as I don't get lynched.
Then you can just totally demolish it and get everyone to ignore it.
Uh I'm really surprised you are so touchy about this. Say why doing what you did D 1 is townie.
well it also so happens that leaving a bus through the emergency exit is your scum thingi'm trying to think of a better analogy than "i'm such a good starcraft player, look at how many minerals i have"I don't know what that means.you pushed on him during the day, yes. end of day is whenlynches happen and at end of day you lynched awaclus for voting the guy you're trying to get towncred for pushingI am aware at how mediocre my Day 1 performance was. Thank you very much. And I am not saying I should be the IC. I just don't think I should be the default lynch or the go-to suspect today. I think the evidence argues against that.
Erm, yes. That's what I've been saying all along.Wait, you think I am the SK?Uh, I don't think SK wants to kill scum N1 here. If I were SK I would want to let mcmc live and try to lynch him again today. You get towncred for lynching scum, so you want them alive for that. At least the first night.Yeah; that is why the mcmc kill makes very little sense to me. If the SK thinks mcmc is scum, they want to keep him alive and push a lynch. If they think he's town, then they would much rather kill a PR than a claimed VT.
It speaks to newb!SK, and the fact that TWM thought this flip would make him look townie adds to that narrative.
If you guys think TWM is the SK why are you referring to his interactions with mcmc so much?I think that. I think him being mcmc's partner is also an option, but significantly less likely. His interactions with mcmc are relevant because they show he had motive to kill mcmc.
If you guys think TWM is the SK why are you referring to his interactions with mcmc so much?I think that. I think him being mcmc's partner is also an option, but significantly less likely. His interactions with mcmc are relevant because they show he had motive to kill mcmc.
?If you guys think TWM is the SK why are you referring to his interactions with mcmc so much?I think that. I think him being mcmc's partner is also an option, but significantly less likely. His interactions with mcmc are relevant because they show he had motive to kill mcmc.
Oh please.
I remember being surprised kkrieg could come up with that many that good reasons for the switch (and wondering why hadn't she said those things before being asked - kind of felt like she made the vote, and then only thought of the reasons after being pressed for it).Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go! Any takers? Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions
he reacted pretty quickly to my initial kinda random vote at him
he hasn't been particularly helpful
he jumped on the mcmc train
honestly my reasons are weak but heyy it is day 1
Uh, I don't think SK wants to kill scum N1 here. If I were SK I would want to let mcmc live and try to lynch him again today. You get towncred for lynching scum, so you want them alive for that. At least the first night.Yeah; that is why the mcmc kill makes very little sense to me. If the SK thinks mcmc is scum, they want to keep him alive and push a lynch. If they think he's town, then they would much rather kill a PR than a claimed VT.
It speaks to newb!SK, and the fact that TWM thought this flip would make him look townie adds to that narrative.
You observed that TWM pushed mcmc's wagon and then "destroyed" it, as you said, and then he decided to kill him as SK?The point is that mcmc scumread TWM.
TWM repeatedly saying how good faust is in forming arguments feels panicky to me, like feels to me like he is anticipating not having good enough arguments and having to "resort to" discrediting the person, not the argument that's bringing the suspicion on him.
I think someone who was suspected by mcmc is far far more likely to shoot him.
Is it? I could see it going both ways, but I feel TWM is being more panicky than I would expect, which makes me feel there are other circumstances in play I'm not aware of (such as him being scum and quite unluckily going from narrowly escaping his partners lynch to losing said partner and finding himself in hot water).TWM repeatedly saying how good faust is in forming arguments feels panicky to me, like feels to me like he is anticipating not having good enough arguments and having to "resort to" discrediting the person, not the argument that's bringing the suspicion on him.
Definitely, but that's sort of townie, isn't it?
Why? Mcmc is what I'd call an influencial townie - definitely someone who is willing to push for their opinions, and often is pretty stubborn about them too. Scum teams usually think "who can we get lynched tomorrow?" and "what risks might there be for getting one of those lynches too", and to me being heavily suspected by mcmc would definitely constitute a risk that I would want to eliminate.I think someone who was suspected by mcmc is far far more likely to shoot him.
I really don't think so.
Is it? I could see it going both ways, but I feel TWM is being more panicky than I would expect, which makes me feel there are other circumstances in play I'm not aware of (such as him being scum and quite unluckily going from narrowly escaping his partners lynch to losing said partner and finding himself in hot water).TWM repeatedly saying how good faust is in forming arguments feels panicky to me, like feels to me like he is anticipating not having good enough arguments and having to "resort to" discrediting the person, not the argument that's bringing the suspicion on him.
Definitely, but that's sort of townie, isn't it?
Well, fuck me sideways. I had no idea.Erm, yes. That's what I've been saying all along.Wait, you think I am the SK?Uh, I don't think SK wants to kill scum N1 here. If I were SK I would want to let mcmc live and try to lynch him again today. You get towncred for lynching scum, so you want them alive for that. At least the first night.Yeah; that is why the mcmc kill makes very little sense to me. If the SK thinks mcmc is scum, they want to keep him alive and push a lynch. If they think he's town, then they would much rather kill a PR than a claimed VT.
It speaks to newb!SK, and the fact that TWM thought this flip would make him look townie adds to that narrative.
There is no way I would have played the way I did if I were SK. I would have stayed in the background, jumped quietly onto a wagon like 2.7's or Andrew's and brought zero to little attention to myself.
Imagine if I had stayed on mcmc and the lynch had gone through. I would be the primary, number 1, NK target for mafia and there would have ended my game. No that would have been too risky.
The SK is someone who stayed in the background and made little to zero waves. Certainly not me.
No. I get that. What I am saying is that it a risk I don't have to take. Or even if mcmc flips town. I don't want to appear in any way, shape or form to be a town leader and a good NK option.There is no way I would have played the way I did if I were SK. I would have stayed in the background, jumped quietly onto a wagon like 2.7's or Andrew's and brought zero to little attention to myself.
Imagine if I had stayed on mcmc and the lynch had gone through. I would be the primary, number 1, NK target for mafia and there would have ended my game. No that would have been too risky.
The SK is someone who stayed in the background and made little to zero waves. Certainly not me.
This doesn't acquit you as much as you think. If you were SK, and you had stayed on mcmc, and the lynch had gone through, you would have been a prime NK target... only if mcmc was mafia. But of course, that's not something you knew at the time you voted him, so you could have very well done it as SK and then been genuinely surprised (and relieved you weren't nightkilled) after mcmc's flip.
Actually... was that a scumslip from TWM? The logic of what he posted only holds if he new mcmc's scum alignment ahead of time.You are putting logic onto me that I never had. Not sure if you are doing confirmation bias here or scum reaching.
Actually... was that a scumslip from TWM? The logic of what he posted only holds if he new mcmc's scum alignment ahead of time.You are putting logic onto me that I never had. Not sure if you are doing confirmation bias here or scum reaching.
Except I am saying it now, when it is known that mcmc is scum. I am using speculative ideas to speculate about what I might have done as SK.Actually... was that a scumslip from TWM? The logic of what he posted only holds if he new mcmc's scum alignment ahead of time.You are putting logic onto me that I never had. Not sure if you are doing confirmation bias here or scum reaching.
You said this "imagine if I was SK and I had stayed on mcmc and the lynch had gone thru... I would have been the number 1 target for mafia." Because this would be a bad move for the SK, you therefore are not the SK.
This is really only a fear, though, if you know mcmc will flip scum, which isn't something you would have known at the time, unless you were his partner.
Actually... was that a scumslip from TWM? The logic of what he posted only holds if he new mcmc's scum alignment ahead of time.You are putting logic onto me that I never had. Not sure if you are doing confirmation bias here or scum reaching.
You said this "imagine if I was SK and I had stayed on mcmc and the lynch had gone thru... I would have been the number 1 target for mafia." Because this would be a bad move for the SK, you therefore are not the SK.
This is really only a fear, though, if you know mcmc will flip scum, which isn't something you would have known at the time, unless you were his partner.
Like every scum, the SK has to play to their town meta or they will be lynched. The cannot just stay in the background.Which I have done in previous games to a certain extent perfectly fine.
And you aren't addressing my actual point. And that is that SK would want to stay in the background and not risk being a prime NK target, regardless of whether or not mafia was flipped.
It isn't.And you aren't addressing my actual point. And that is that SK would want to stay in the background and not risk being a prime NK target, regardless of whether or not mafia was flipped.
No, I don't think that's true. The logic here only holds for mcmc being mafia, as you noted, in your initial post, which made this presumption, and is I think quite possibly a scumslip.
Actually... was that a scumslip from TWM? The logic of what he posted only holds if he new mcmc's scum alignment ahead of time.You are putting logic onto me that I never had. Not sure if you are doing confirmation bias here or scum reaching.
You said this "imagine if I was SK and I had stayed on mcmc and the lynch had gone thru... I would have been the number 1 target for mafia." Because this would be a bad move for the SK, you therefore are not the SK.
This is really only a fear, though, if you know mcmc will flip scum, which isn't something you would have known at the time, unless you were his partner.
I... think Robz is making sense here. That's a valid point, right?
TWM your point about saving mcmc as he could be a potential mislynch later, that's not really a point in your favor specifically. I think everyone would've had the same train of thought and would not've shot mcmc. Thus I think there was some other PR at work and maybe trying to tie a direct link from the mcmc kill to someone else is a little shoddy. And those who have been trying to do just that are a little scummy. Now would be a good time to look at the setup.I am not using it in my favor. I am using it as an argument for why faust wants to lynch me. He thinks that I shot mcmc because he was suspicious of me. His being a good mislynch I think would have over-rid that if I were actually the SK in this hypothetical scenario.
Vote: kkrieg
TWM is town, like I said D1
I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
You mean the eevee train.
This post is really interesting by kkrieg. And I think scummy
Vote: kkrieg
Vote: kkriegWell now I am glad that I didn't go for either your or Andrew's lynch Day 1.
TWM is town, like I said D1
Vote: kkriegWell now I am glad that I didn't go for either your or Andrew's lynch Day 1.
TWM is town, like I said D1
Yea I won't deny that. I could have switched my vote but I honestly thought Awaclus was scummier than mcmc.Oh go away for a little bit.
You are obviously going to be able to win any argument that I put at you because you are better at twisting words and using select quotes and appealing to emotions in a way that people still like you at the end of it.
So I am not even going to try and get frustrated with you. I'll put up some stuff later today (today as in today in this game by the way, like Saturday or Sunday) as long as I don't get lynched.
Then you can just totally demolish it and get everyone to ignore it.
Uh I'm really surprised you are so touchy about this. Say why doing what you did D 1 is townie. Also I know kkrieg was online and could've voted mcmcsalot. vote: kkrieg
Also I totally believed this. I mean it was bolded and seemed official you know.Vote: Robz
This is an L-2 vote on me.
I guess I'm not the worst lynch ever, if that's what's going to happen. I am a Vanilla Townie.
I am caught up, I am also a vanilla townie. I also don't have much to add. I am much less confident of my reads after failing super hard last game and think most people are playing as I expect them to be playing. I would be open to lynching andrew, twm, 2.7. kkrieg, eevee, awaclus. Also I am sleepy and slightly inebriated.Oops totally meant to quote this one.
Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.
Does town win if the SK is still alive?
Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.
Does town win if the SK is still alive?
Check the win con in your role PM.
Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.
Does town win if the SK is still alive?
Cautious town. I feel like garbage for voting Awaclus.Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.
Does town win if the SK is still alive?
Cautious town or "doesn't want to over commit to a mislynch" scum?
I am leaning towards the latter of the two
TWM your point about saving mcmc as he could be a potential mislynch later, that's not really a point in your favor specifically. I think everyone would've had the same train of thought and would not've shot mcmc. Thus I think there was some other PR at work and maybe trying to tie a direct link from the mcmc kill to someone else is a little shoddy. And those who have been trying to do just that are a little scummy. Now would be a good time to look at the setup.I am not really sure what this means.
The beauty of your line of thinking is that I can't do anything about it. All of the evidence are things that mcmc said, not things that I said, yet I am being held accountable for them.someone's like "I'm detective and twm killed someone" and you're like "ok that's something they said why am i accountable for it?
Don't be ridiculous.The beauty of your line of thinking is that I can't do anything about it. All of the evidence are things that mcmc said, not things that I said, yet I am being held accountable for them.someone's like "I'm detective and twm killed someone" and you're like "ok that's something they said why am i accountable for it?
TWM sounds to me like he is frustrated about the reasons for the suspicion, rather than being worried about the consequences for town, which seems to me like scum behavior.That is a fair criticism of me. I should care a bit more about what the impact of my mislynch will have on the game, but it is hard to do when players are approaching it with what I think is a somewhat reckless manner. See schadd's above comment. Is that comment supposed to make me feel better about town (assuming he is town) or more apathetic about whether or not we win after I get lynched?
And the only possible person who could have shot him is me because mcmc suspected me.Not only; I also think that no veteran SK would have shot mcmc.
The beauty of your line of thinking is that I can't do anything about it. All of the evidence are things that mcmc said, not things that I said, yet I am being held accountable for them.That's true. I suppose that would suck for you, but it does not make my line of thinking any less valid.
What is the case on TWM?
What is the case on TWM?
I eevee had a really good post, I disagree with the conclusion
There can be no other PR at work. The only explanation for mcmc dying is that the SK shot him. This is fairly obvious.
In which case a lack of a town NK could also be explained in 1 & 7 by the commuter. If the JK blocked the kill we would know by now I think, which makes me think we're not in 6. Similarly I don't think we're in 2. So I'm thinking we're in 1, 5, or 7.There's a bunch of explanations for a missing nightkill. I have no idea why we would know if the JK blocked the kill.
Andrew's post is so out there I don't think it's a purposeful townslip. So if we are in a JOAT setup, that means he's likely town.
... wrote that and then realized that there are no setups with both JOAT and SK. Boo hoo. That means it's not a townslip at all. Or maybe it is? I mean I would think that scum would have taken a closer look at the setup.
If he was the SK he would be thrilled to vote for me. But he isn't. So he isn't the SK.Andrew's post is so out there I don't think it's a purposeful townslip. So if we are in a JOAT setup, that means he's likely town.
... wrote that and then realized that there are no setups with both JOAT and SK. Boo hoo. That means it's not a townslip at all. Or maybe it is? I mean I would think that scum would have taken a closer look at the setup.
It makes me think he is very unlikely to be mafia, but could still be SK.
TWM, it's not all about you.Sure it is. I have three votes right now and have had probably 80% of the posts today surrounding me.
TWM, it's not all about you.Sure it is. I have three votes right now and have had probably 80% of the posts today surrounding me.
But to be more serious, if you take as a given that I am town (which you can't know, but just go with me), if you or anyone else is mafia or SK I would think they would be jumping onto this, or at least leaving the door open to joining this wagon. Because I will concede there are items that point toward me being SK or mafia. I don't think they are great, but they are certainly there. I would basically be a great opportunity to get a townie lynched with little to zero blame or accountability. They could easily point back and say, Hey there was some really good evidence there, guess we were wrong as a whole.
There is little benefit for either Andrew or 2.7 as SK or mafia to flat out read me as town. The only benefit is if I say something like I am now. But there is no way they could anticipate I would react this way prior to them saying it and they couldn't even know if it would end up being useful as they wouldn't know if I might end up flipping SK or mafia and thus wouldn't be a trustworthy assessor of their alignment.
Morale of the story. I am townreading Andrew and 2.7 and you should to if I should die and when I flip town.
There is little benefit for either Andrew or 2.7 as SK or mafia to flat out read me as town.
green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}
green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}
Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?
What is the benefit? Who is going to give them credit?There is little benefit for either Andrew or 2.7 as SK or mafia to flat out read me as town.
There would be if you would end up flipping town. That should be obvious. That you don't factor that in... well, it does make it look like that is not an option for you.
green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}
Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?
I'm not sure where I got the jokey title in this.
faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.YES!
green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}
Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?
I'm not sure where I got the jokey title in this.
The "TWM it's not all about you" comment, mostly.
those are not exactly the things i'm looking for in SK, nor do i think discussing that is productive
green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}
Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?
faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.YES!
Most lurky person is probably kkrieg and 2.7.
faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.I don't think reminding people of edge cases is a scum trait as much as a mathematician trait. I also don't really know where I did that.
No, that's not a good thing.Most lurky person is probably kkrieg and 2.7.
Good thing lurky does not mean scummy.
those are not exactly the things i'm looking for in SK, nor do i think discussing that is productive
green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}
Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?
also gkrieg isn't lurking, nor do i think that's indicative of anything
But ultimately I believe he's the best lynch not because he exhibits so much scumminess, but because of the evidence i.e. mcmc's death. I have not heard another reasonable theory for why that happened.1. Robz is SK and feared that mcmc would accurately read him as SK better than anyone else.
they don't actually have a very good track record on each other. mcmc scumread robz m96, that's the only have that played where mcmc was town.But ultimately I believe he's the best lynch not because he exhibits so much scumminess, but because of the evidence i.e. mcmc's death. I have not heard another reasonable theory for why that happened.1. Robz is SK and feared that mcmc would accurately read him as SK better than anyone else.
2. faust is SK and killed mcmc to frame me today.took you long enough
What happens when I die and flip town? Just roll with that idea, K. What is your theory then?robz is probably scum, though i don't see that as especially related to your flip. faust looked town to me since d1 & wouldn't change. andrew is probably town or something
What Happens When I Flip Town How Does Your Theory Change Then?Nothing. You will be dead.
I think schadd might be a better lynch than faust.
1. Robz is SK and feared that mcmc would accurately read him as SK better than anyone else.I don't think Robz would be worried about that.
2. faust is SK and killed mcmc to frame me today.I am surprised it took you this long.
What happens when I die and flip town? Just roll with that idea, K. What is your theory then?Well it depends. I would look for interactions with you today specifically. I could kind of see kkrieg or Andrew doing the mcmc kill just because they are new and/or not very invested in the game. I find it very hard to believe that any of {Eevee, gkrieg, e, Robz} did that kill; schadd is also unlikely, but I have less data on his scum play.
I think schadd might be a better lynch than faust.How is schadd scummy?
I am not saying they are amazing theories, but you asked and walla! But they are better than your theory, which I know is wrong.1. Robz is SK and feared that mcmc would accurately read him as SK better than anyone else.I don't think Robz would be worried about that.2. faust is SK and killed mcmc to frame me today.I am surprised it took you this long.
But it doesn't work. A SK has no need to frame anyone; they can just do normal scumhunting because well, they want to be lynching the other scum. If mcmc had been killed by mafia, I could see a framing angle, but not this way. (Fun fact: it is not actually impossible that the mafia killed mcmc)What happens when I die and flip town? Just roll with that idea, K. What is your theory then?Well it depends. I would look for interactions with you today specifically. I could kind of see kkrieg or Andrew doing the mcmc kill just because they are new and/or not very invested in the game. I find it very hard to believe that any of {Eevee, gkrieg, e, Robz} did that kill; schadd is also unlikely, but I have less data on his scum play.
I don't know. Mostly he is parroting what you are saying and then not adding anything valuable to the discussion. At least you are talking a bit with me.I think schadd might be a better lynch than faust.How is schadd scummy?
And on your last statement, about only newbies killing mcmc, you have said that a couple of times,but haven't explained why ( again sorry if you did already, I tried to do a search, but forum is being bad on my mobile). Why would a vet not kill mcmc?i believe i know what this reasoning is but you might rather have faust say it
I Thought I Would At Least Not Be The Prime Target Today For Pushing McmcI don't know. Mostly he is parroting what you are saying and then not adding anything valuable to the discussion. At least you are talking a bit with me.I think schadd might be a better lynch than faust.How is schadd scummy?
Want to lynch: TWM, kkrieg
Could lynch: 2.7, schadd, Andrew
Not inclined to lynch: gkrieg
Won't lynch (not today): Eevee, faust
And on your last statement, about only newbies killing mcmc, you have said that a couple of times,but haven't explained why ( again sorry if you did already, I tried to do a search, but forum is being bad on my mobile). Why would a vet not kill mcmc?Well, I think an SK's killing priorities (especially on N1) are this:
I was under the impression that schadd is pushing a mafia!TWM angle while I believe you're the SK.I don't know. Mostly he is parroting what you are saying and then not adding anything valuable to the discussion. At least you are talking a bit with me.I think schadd might be a better lynch than faust.How is schadd scummy?
I guess I can see that. But I think a vet could overrule that for other reasons. And I think it unfair (although you haven't actually said it, so sorry if I am putting words in your mouth) to think that a newbie would automatically play poorly.Well it's just more likely. The vast majority of people play better with more experience. I don't know why assuming so is unfair. It's also not just an assumption - I have actually been scum with most of the vets here, so I know a thing or two about how they would play this.
I find that this makes them less interesting.Want to lynch: TWM, kkrieg
Could lynch: 2.7, schadd, Andrew
Not inclined to lynch: gkrieg
Won't lynch (not today): Eevee, faust
These lists are interesting because it is possible that no one knows anyone else's identity, which means that looking for partner interactions is maybe not possible...
I find that this makes them less interesting.Want to lynch: TWM, kkrieg
Could lynch: 2.7, schadd, Andrew
Not inclined to lynch: gkrieg
Won't lynch (not today): Eevee, faust
These lists are interesting because it is possible that no one knows anyone else's identity, which means that looking for partner interactions is maybe not possible...
I am caught up, I am also a vanilla townie. I also don't have much to add. I am much less confident of my reads after failing super hard last game and think most people are playing as I expect them to be playing. I would be open to lynching andrew, twm, 2.7. kkrieg, eevee, awaclus. Also I am sleepy and slightly inebriated.
So we have a nice SK.Which I haven't really seen him do much of aside from saying that if I am not the SK, I must be mafia and am a good lynch. What a cop out.
Well it does not make a lot of sense for a SK to go after a claimed VT one N1 I think. That only really works if they were afraid of mcmc. So that's a good place to start looking.
On the other hand, mcmc had a partner. That guy is also worth looking for.
I like most everything that TWM said in his post. I am very suspicious of faustYes. To be clear, my current suspicion of faust and Robz is more based off today's actions, call it OMGUS if you will, but I know I am town and I would probably be responding very much the way they are to me if I were mafia responding to myself.
I don't think faust is acting like scum at all.How would he act if he were scum in this situation?
I think we would keep a lower profile.You just lost your partner during the night. Your night kill didn't go through. Things are looking kinda bad if you are mafia. Is that really a great time to keep a lower profile and just hope things work out? Or do you need to push the issue?
No, Iam at the point where I get the votes on me. I obviously don't agree with them, but I see the appeal and I am kind of anticipating being the lynch at this point, which, ok, fine, especially now that I got my thoughts down and hopefully people will find them mildly useful and remember them going into tomorrow.
It would be better to lynch elsewhere, but I think I only have 2.7 and Andrew on myside, but am unlikely to get support anywhere else.
Go reread this whole last day man. Put yourself in my shoes. From the very first posts to your last one the trend has been me getting lynched at the end of day. Imagine that I am town and how despondent I must feel about my chances from what people have said.No, Iam at the point where I get the votes on me. I obviously don't agree with them, but I see the appeal and I am kind of anticipating being the lynch at this point, which, ok, fine, especially now that I got my thoughts down and hopefully people will find them mildly useful and remember them going into tomorrow.
It would be better to lynch elsewhere, but I think I only have 2.7 and Andrew on myside, but am unlikely to get support anywhere else.
You are way too resigned! In fact, it makes me suspicious, because it's too weird to be genuine.
Err. I never said that?So we have a nice SK.Which I haven't really seen him do much of aside from saying that if I am not the SK, I must be mafia and am a good lynch. What a cop out.
Well it does not make a lot of sense for a SK to go after a claimed VT one N1 I think. That only really works if they were afraid of mcmc. So that's a good place to start looking.
On the other hand, mcmc had a partner. That guy is also worth looking for.
I think we would keep a lower profile.
Also, I will call your read on him OMGUS, per your invitation to do so.
The only strike I see against faust--and I guess I shouldn't write it off as much as I have--is that he has this long and complicated theory for why you are the SK, and I guess arguably that's most likely to be coming from mafia who's stinging from the loss of a partner last night. The impulse to extra super duper SK hunt has to be strong with mafia right now.And you think I would just give in to that as mafia?
I do believe that traitors should play way differently than SKs for the record. A traitor wants to do out there things that would be too dangerous for the mafia.I think we would keep a lower profile.
Also, I will call your read on him OMGUS, per your invitation to do so.
Uh, no he wouldn't. Have you read his traitor game?
You are correct. Robz said it.Err. I never said that?So we have a nice SK.Which I haven't really seen him do much of aside from saying that if I am not the SK, I must be mafia and am a good lynch. What a cop out.
Well it does not make a lot of sense for a SK to go after a claimed VT one N1 I think. That only really works if they were afraid of mcmc. So that's a good place to start looking.
On the other hand, mcmc had a partner. That guy is also worth looking for.
Also, I reread mcmc right after that thing you quoted to look for partners. This is rather ridiculous misrepresentation.
I saw that, but it doesn't matter.
Am confused about the kkrieg stuff.
I do believe that traitors should play way differently than SKs for the record. A traitor wants to do out there things that would be too dangerous for the mafia.I think we would keep a lower profile.
Also, I will call your read on him OMGUS, per your invitation to do so.
Uh, no he wouldn't. Have you read his traitor game?
That said I probably wouldn't ever keep a low profile. It doesn't become me.
Why she is suspicious.Am confused about the kkrieg stuff.
Confused about what stuff?
I think we would keep a lower profile.I kinda agree with this. I think scum has reason to either lay low (like e, maybe eevee) or be super defensive (like twm)
I think gkrieg could be scummy. He is pretty accurate at reading me IRL. I think he knows I'm not scum and yet he's voting for me.
what is gkrieg's track record reading faust & vice versa?
I think gkrieg could be scummy. He is pretty accurate at reading me IRL. I think he knows I'm not scum and yet he's voting for me.what have you done here that you would expect him to townread you for?
I think gkrieg could be scummy. He is pretty accurate at reading me IRL. I think he knows I'm not scum and yet he's voting for me. Granted I am crap at reading gkrieg so you never know.Vote: kkriegI think we would keep a lower profile.I kinda agree with this. I think scum has reason to either lay low (like e, maybe eevee) or be super defensive (like twm)
Have others had trouble accessing the forum today?
I haven't done post counts or anything, but TWM has done more to move this game forward and find scum than anyone else. Sure, he has put himself out there and done some things that can be construed as scummy, but to me (especially what he has done D2) feels a lot like what I have found myself get in trouble for a lot, that is, act as if I am an IC and nothing can touch me and just post thoughts with impunity.....then get called scummy for it.You say that and yet you have been voting for me not too long ago.
His level of activity, content, and drive is really what has been pushing the game forward in my opinion, and even if he is scum (which I doubt) I think we should try to lynch the other scums (SK/traitor/goon) rather than him. A few more flips and we will be able to read TWM very well based on his positions. We just should not lynch him today at least.
I haven't done post counts or anything, but TWM has done more to move this game forward and find scum than anyone else. Sure, he has put himself out there and done some things that can be construed as scummy, but to me (especially what he has done D2) feels a lot like what I have found myself get in trouble for a lot, that is, act as if I am an IC and nothing can touch me and just post thoughts with impunity.....then get called scummy for it.You say that and yet you have been voting for me not too long ago.
His level of activity, content, and drive is really what has been pushing the game forward in my opinion, and even if he is scum (which I doubt) I think we should try to lynch the other scums (SK/traitor/goon) rather than him. A few more flips and we will be able to read TWM very well based on his positions. We just should not lynch him today at least.
It would be nice if ou actually shared your read on TWM and the reasons for it instead of just saying we shouldn't lynch him because he can post more than twice a day.
kkrieg's wagon is wayyyyyy townier than TWM's. Robz and schadd are null at best.Well you are town, TWM is scum and e is null, so it kinda cancels out.
vote: faustWhat's up with the switching around?
I thought maybe that kkrieg had a better chance of being lynched than you. Realized that is futile and now just want my vote to be on you at the end of day so people will better remember to be suspicious of you when I flip town.vote: faustWhat's up with the switching around?
1) his initial townread on me from D1 was not something that I think he does as scum. I had made a few posts, said a few things, and he comes out saying I am 100% town. Ok, not quite like that, but I don't think scum!TWM reads me quite like that.Okay, that's something I can work with.
2) the way he entered into D2 and got suspicion and stuff felt very much like how I post sometimes as town when I feel like everything I have done makes me obv!town. I usually do the whole claim IC thing even though I am not, but his posts have the feel of someone who thinks they can post with impunity and there is no way town would ever lynch them. Except town does lynch them.
Is that a VT claim?I thought maybe that kkrieg had a better chance of being lynched than you. Realized that is futile and now just want my vote to be on you at the end of day so people will better remember to be suspicious of you when I flip town.vote: faustWhat's up with the switching around?
So rereading mcmc. I'm positive that we can figure this out.
Okay, so he is pushing pretty hard for TWM.
This is interesting interaction:schadd, why did you ask mcmc?mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I think you think I'm town.
There is more TWM tunnelling. This starts to look pretty bad for him.I would be open to lynching andrew, twm, 2.7. kkrieg, eevee, awaclus.Is mcmc's partner in here? Arguably yes. But it's a big list, so eh.
Okay, I feel like there isn't really a lot to take away in terms of partner reads, but it feels like TWM is the only one with a motive to kill mcmc.
Another interesting data point would be the mcmc wagon.
This is the mcmc wagon history.
gkrieg, TWM
[these two have been voting mcmc for a while through D1.I'd be ok with Awaclus or Andrewkkrieg does not mention mcmc at all here. Scummy.I would go for E if the votes were there. If not I'll stick with Andrew. Awaclus is also fine. This does not feel like scum mcmc to me.Also not too good, but it feels unlikely that both scum would claim VT on D1.
Andrew & TWM move towards Awaclus.
gkrieg votes for Andrew, and then unvotes, thus removing his vote from mcmc in a non-obvious way. That's quite crafty if intentional.
schadd votes mcmc. Town points here. Then gkrieg switches back (ok, I suppose the above was not intentioal), Then Awaclus.
If I'm seeing correctly, this is the mcmc wagon at peak:
TWM, schadd, gkrieg, Awaclus
Robz continues to push off of mcmc. Ironically, TWM takes the lead on destroying the mcmc wagon. His is the deciding vote. The others on mcmc stay there.
So schadd and gkrieg definitely look townie (or, I guess, non-SK-y). Mild scum read on Robz, stronger on kkrieg and Andrew.
No.Is that a VT claim?I thought maybe that kkrieg had a better chance of being lynched than you. Realized that is futile and now just want my vote to be on you at the end of day so people will better remember to be suspicious of you when I flip town.vote: faustWhat's up with the switching around?
I don't really find kkrieg suspicious, but she is a better lynch than me.And yet you voted for her specifically in response to one of her posts. That does not look like you just wanted slef-preservation; it looks like something in that post made you think she's scummy.
Sorry I made it look that way. I didn't realize it would be construed that way.I don't really find kkrieg suspicious, but she is a better lynch than me.And yet you voted for her specifically in response to one of her posts. That does not look like you just wanted slef-preservation; it looks like something in that post made you think she's scummy.
I just reread TWM and this case feels really fabricated to me. First of all, TWM was voting awaclus much more throughout d1 than he was voting mcmc. He had a clear scum read on both, and as the day was nearing the end he landed on Awaclus. Saying he left mcmc because he felt like the lynch would land there is just falseNot sure why you're quoting that whole post from me as if responding to a "case" (it was not a case) and then all you really respond to is half a sentence from it...
Why do I feel like whatever I did there Faust would have found it scummy?I have no idea. You have to admit that for any objective observer it would have to look like you voted for kkrieg as a reaction to that post, no?
Scum does not do that D1 with a partner. Maybe make a case for SK or traitor, but I just don't see that situation with the rest of his play (outside of end of D1)I have a feeling that so far you have not read a single one of my posts.
Sure. But once hearing that I did not suspect her I think an objective observer could easily conclude that I in fact didn't.Why do I feel like whatever I did there Faust would have found it scummy?I have no idea. You have to admit that for any objective observer it would have to look like you voted for kkrieg as a reaction to that post, no?
Scum does not do that D1 with a partner. Maybe make a case for SK or traitor, but I just don't see that situation with the rest of his play (outside of end of D1)I have a feeling that so far you have not read a single one of my posts.
Faust thinks I am SK cause mcmc voted for me and that I must have felt sort of newbie anxiety about that and killed him ignoring that he had claimed VT and can't imagine that anyone else could have any reason to kill him.Scum does not do that D1 with a partner. Maybe make a case for SK or traitor, but I just don't see that situation with the rest of his play (outside of end of D1)I have a feeling that so far you have not read a single one of my posts.
Sorry I made it look that way. I didn't realize it would be construed that way.I don't really find kkrieg suspicious, but she is a better lynch than me.And yet you voted for her specifically in response to one of her posts. That does not look like you just wanted slef-preservation; it looks like something in that post made you think she's scummy.
I have asked others to show why she was suspicious, but those haven't responded.
Basically, faust is not scum hunting, he is SK-hunting. Which I think is scummy.You are SK-hunting! You're scummy. ..
That being said, let's lynch the SK first, then we can lynch faust tomorrow
unvote but like why do you think she would do that
Actually, my read on kkrieg was really one that she is not-town more than a specific goon/traitor/sk. She fits into your "newbie kills mcmc" mold very well, and when TWM mentioned it is really when I thought she could be. She may actually be the traitor who knows mafia, which would make sense with her mcmc hedge on D1. She was scum for me D1 before mcmc ever factored into things.Except there is no difference between what we do.
But you are definitely goon material. I don't think your SK-hunting is indicative of you being sk or really traitor, I think you are the last goon.
So I am actually SCUM hunting, and certain scum fall in certain categories. You are SK-hunting. Which is scummy.
So rereading mcmc. I'm positive that we can figure this out.
Okay, so he is pushing pretty hard for TWM.
This is interesting interaction:schadd, why did you ask mcmc?mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?
will ask again later
I think you think I'm town.
There is more TWM tunnelling. This starts to look pretty bad for him.I would be open to lynching andrew, twm, 2.7. kkrieg, eevee, awaclus.Is mcmc's partner in here? Arguably yes. But it's a big list, so eh.
Okay, I feel like there isn't really a lot to take away in terms of partner reads, but it feels like TWM is the only one with a motive to kill mcmc.
Another interesting data point would be the mcmc wagon.
This is the mcmc wagon history.
gkrieg, TWM
[these two have been voting mcmc for a while through D1.I'd be ok with Awaclus or Andrew
kkrieg does not mention mcmc at all here. Scummy.I would go for E if the votes were there. If not I'll stick with Andrew. Awaclus is also fine. This does not feel like scum mcmc to me.Also not too good, but it feels unlikely that both scum would claim VT on D1.
Andrew & TWM move towards Awaclus.
gkrieg votes for Andrew, and then unvotes, thus removing his vote from mcmc in a non-obvious way. That's quite crafty if intentional.
schadd votes mcmc. Town points here. Then gkrieg switches back (ok, I suppose the above was not intentioal), Then Awaclus.
If I'm seeing correctly, this is the mcmc wagon at peak:
TWM, schadd, gkrieg, Awaclus
Robz continues to push off of mcmc. Ironically, TWM takes the lead on destroying the mcmc wagon. His is the deciding vote. The others on mcmc stay there.
So schadd and gkrieg definitely look townie (or, I guess, non-SK-y). Mild scum read on Robz, stronger on kkrieg and Andrew.
From the very beginning you are trying to figure out who would kill mcmc, not who would be mcmc's partner. You cast suspicion elsewhere, and have reaffirmed suspicions, but the only thing you care about in the end is that you think TWM has motive to kill.This is all just wrong. You have bolded some stuff in my post, but that doesn't allow for the conclusions ou're drawing here at all. I reread mcmc; the only really noticable he's done is tunnel TWM. Just because you don't think I'm right in my suspicion of TWM doesn't mean I've been SK hunting.
Forum is completely unusable at my house.Everywhere
She calls things scummy but is very hesitant to cast a vote for the cases she presents. The hedge factor is strong and scummy with kkriegThis is true. I have commitment problems and don't want to be wrong.
So does nobody have something to say anymore?
I'm going to do an Eevee reread since I don't remember anything about that guy.
So does nobody have something to say anymore?
I'm going to do an Eevee reread since I don't remember anything about that guy.
Awaclus would be a total "guess" lynch for me, he has played just like I'd expect him to play day 1 either alignment. I think he is generally hard to townread with certainty, but conversely also hard to pinpoint as scum. Especially this early, this is just totally what I think both scum and town versions of Awaclus would look like.At that point there are already two votes on mcmc, Eevee's only expressed scumread. That is... bad. And then Eevee is just gone, without doing anything worthwhile. It looks to me like he was scared of committing.
Actually, I guess the better question is, how do you think they'd decide who to shoot if not like that? Why else would they have shot a claimed VT?Actually, he's pushing the angle pretty hard, which makes sense for mafia!Eevee to get himself out of the spotlight. While people talk about the nightkill, they don't talk about the end of D1, and that's how Eevee could get suspected.
Just phone access now, but mcmc being the almost-lynch of yesterday should be helpful in determining the second mafia at least. Like, probably not e based on his voting, so my suspicion on yesterday was wrong on that at least (again, probably).Yet he does never do anything even resembling looking for mcmc's partner and instead focuses solely in the TWM thing. All this is quite scummy. Like right now I think Eevee is a better lynch target than kkrieg, but not convinced he's better than TWM.
Why is kkrieg not voting for TWM out of sheer self-preservation? Is she enough that she doesn't know to do that?1. I don't need to vote in self-preservation. I am town/ don't think I will get lynched/ don't feel a need to be defensive.
Do you think I am scummy? If you do, you should vote for me. Commit to that read.Okkkkkk. Vote: TWM.
fake hammer: twm:-X
fake hammer: twm8)?
real hammer: twm:-*??
what is your opinion on robzSlightly scummy. Less so than others. Should probably be given a chance to decide if he wants to switch to kkrieg before you hammer me for realz.
final, real hammer: twm:o???
should i vote u?No.
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i totally can & totally would. why shouldn't i vote you?Lots of posts explaining this in the thread. Feel free to look them up.
Ian so totally town that you all should see it and if you don't then you are a dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
yes i've been reading the thread. i want to hear what your current answer to the question isMy answer is the same. If you have a specific question about what I posted earlier, feel free to ask.
same as what?Same as all my posts in this thread. I am not going to say anything new or different that I haven't said already. If you thought my responses were inadequate before, they will be inadequate now.
was i bussing again?
-do you think it is impossible that i change my mind right now?If you are town then I think you can change your mind. I think it unlikely given your attitude toward me.
-do you think you have played well this game?I think I already answered this. But no, I have not played well. I should have stayed on mcmc and not been duped by his claim. I should have not thought more highly of myself and thinking I was townier than I actually was. I shouldn't have gotten into silly arguments with faust at the beginning of the day.
A faust vote is better than a schadd vote.
In schadd's recent interactions with TWM, it looks like he's trying to get TWM to slip up in some way, thus justifying a vote that hopefully (from schadd's POV) won't looking scummy even after TWM's flip.what might qualify as a slip up?
In schadd's recent interactions with TWM, it looks like he's trying to get TWM to slip up in some way, thus justifying a vote that hopefully (from schadd's POV) won't looking scummy even after TWM's flip.what might qualify as a slip up?
you mean like responding to a question with a picture of a pig?You said pork. That isn't a question.
i said porqI have no idea what that means. I thought you had a typo.
you mean like responding to a question with a picture of a pig?
i also didn't actually think much of it at the time. but saying i could have claimed to
I'm sort of losing confidence in either TWM or kkrieg flipping scum. I don't know, TWM's righteous indignation about being suspected is all of a sudden feeling more townie to me. And when I called kkrieg out for not voting TWM yet, her reaction seemed pretty townie to me.I honestly don't feel great about TWM vote. I wasn't voting him originally because I think voting scum is better than having the attitude of "voting anyone as long as it isn't me." But I'm currently voting him because we need to lynch someone to get this game moving.
But I don't what the next best option would be.
The problem here is I am predisposed to find schadd's weird humor scummy, even though it's not really alignment indicative for him.This is a problem.
I thought you're voting for him because you think he's scummy:I'm sort of losing confidence in either TWM or kkrieg flipping scum. I don't know, TWM's righteous indignation about being suspected is all of a sudden feeling more townie to me. And when I called kkrieg out for not voting TWM yet, her reaction seemed pretty townie to me.I honestly don't feel great about TWM vote. I wasn't voting him originally because I think voting scum is better than having the attitude of "voting anyone as long as it isn't me." But I'm currently voting him because we need to lynch someone to get this game moving.
But I don't what the next best option would be.
What are some scummy points on schadd?
Do you think I am scummy? If you do, you should vote for me. Commit to that read.Okkkkkk. Vote: TWM.
L-1 I believe.
In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.
I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.
If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
faust can u give a readlist?Sure; it may have to wait until tomorrow.
I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.
If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
I think schadd has a playstyle where he can easily become really obviously town when he is town, so the fact he is not looking obviously towny now kind of does make him more likely to be scum. I wasn't really even thinking about it until it got brought up, has anyone suspected schadd much this game? I feel he has been very present, but not really much in opposition with anyone.
So you think schadd is the SK? Why?I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.
If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
Well you said you didn't think Eevee was likely to be the SK, which I think doesn't make him the best lynch right now.
So you think schadd is the SK? Why?I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.
If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
Well you said you didn't think Eevee was likely to be the SK, which I think doesn't make him the best lynch right now.
has anyone suspected schadd much this game? I feel he has been very present, but not really much in opposition with anyone.Oh! I have! Never really got much going though.
So you think schadd is the SK? Why?I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.
If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
Well you said you didn't think Eevee was likely to be the SK, which I think doesn't make him the best lynch right now.
What I meant is we should lynch someone who has some likelihood to be either SK or mafia, not that we should specifically try to lynch the SK.
So you think schadd is the SK? Why?I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.
If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
Well you said you didn't think Eevee was likely to be the SK, which I think doesn't make him the best lynch right now.
What I meant is we should lynch someone who has some likelihood to be either SK or mafia, not that we should specifically try to lynch the SK.
I think we should lynch the player who is most likely to flip scum, no matter the actual role. If someone is 90% mafia and 0% SK; that's completely fine.
Still not sure why schadd is a thing
schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.
If I ever play mafia and am scum, I sure hope I play a better game than whatever game I'm playing now as town.schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.
Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.
It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
I have been forced to accept that lackluster play is a town tell for you.schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.
Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.
It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
If someone else is maybe 50% likely to flip mafia and 45% likely to flip SK, we should lynch that person, no? I'm absolutely the worst at math, though.True.
Schadd is a thing for the exact reason Eevee said.
I have been forced to accept that lackluster play is a town tell for you.schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.
Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.
It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
You most certainly are. But we were talking specifically about people who had just started receiving suspicion today (Eevee and schadd). You didn't fall into that group as no one wants to talk about you except for yourself apparently.schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.
Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.
It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
I have been forced to accept that lackluster play is a town tell for you.schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.
Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.
It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
Keep in mind it's his birthday, I don't know if he'll be around. Are we really comfortable lynching him without a claim? I mean, I would rather lynch him than get lynched myself, but objectively, I don't know if that's the smartest thing,
I am sort of inclined to go after one of the mcmc pile-on ers. But maybe avoiding mcmc's wagon was the safest thing for scum to do.
This just feels like genuinely busy mcmc to me, him actually being what he says makes a lot of sense. The problem is I don't have a great alternative candidate...
I mean if all we can do is lynch mcmc or no one, I will vote for mcmc befoere I go to sleep in about 2 hrsI agree with this.
hey gkrieg I know you're online what do you think about awaclus?
how about you talk about why you are voting awaclus pleeeeez
He's a person who isn't a townread.
Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go! Any takers? Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions
he reacted pretty quickly to my initial kinda random vote at him
he hasn't been particularly helpful
he jumped on the mcmc train
honestly my reasons are weak but heyy it is day 1
Well shit, now this feels mislynchy.
I am here, ish. I like mcmcsalot more than Andrew and 2.7. But I am not as enamored as I was. Awaclus was a mcmcsalot pile oner.
it does, but mcmc is a good scum player
i mean, someone that makes a point of obscuring his reasoning shouldn't be the d1 lynch because of his shoddy reasoning. what do we have on him?
I didn't include your posts because I was trying to make people go back and reread the end of the day themselves.
Your post also says nothing about the conclusions I made.
I didn't include your posts because I was trying to make people go back and reread the end of the day themselves.Then I misunderstood your intent. I just read what you had put down and knew there were somethings that were missing from it.
Your post also says nothing about the conclusions I made.
guys I was literally making gkrieg dinner and cookies while he was throwing me under the bus haha.
I've tried not to be too defensive because I really didn't think people would want to lynch me today. I disagree with gkrieg; I think I am playing similarly to the last game. Both games I have had nothing interesting to say and no strong reads at the beginning of the game. I need more time and less people to keep track of before being confident in my reads.
I may actually be a good town lynch (if that's a thing) to reveal gkrieg as scummy (or whatever not town role he is).
What do you guys want me to do? At what point do you want me to claim?
Even by D2, you had some pretty strong reads in either direction.This game is much more complicated in setup than the newbie game. That makes it hard for me to follow all the role and relationship possibilities.
In this game, I haven't seen very much at all from you in way of reads.
Even by D2, you had some pretty strong reads in either direction.This game is much more complicated in setup than the newbie game. That makes it hard for me to follow all the role and relationship possibilities.
In this game, I haven't seen very much at all from you in way of reads.
fake hammer: kkriegBut for real please don't hammer. Is anyone interested in me claiming?
It was pretty weak. I think I even said that when I listed my reasons.Even by D2, you had some pretty strong reads in either direction.This game is much more complicated in setup than the newbie game. That makes it hard for me to follow all the role and relationship possibilities.
In this game, I haven't seen very much at all from you in way of reads.
But even then you should still have reads on people. Even your Awaclus vote was pretty weak.
I believed mcmcs claim as vanilla town.guys I was literally making gkrieg dinner and cookies while he was throwing me under the bus haha.
I've tried not to be too defensive because I really didn't think people would want to lynch me today. I disagree with gkrieg; I think I am playing similarly to the last game. Both games I have had nothing interesting to say and no strong reads at the beginning of the game. I need more time and less people to keep track of before being confident in my reads.
I may actually be a good town lynch (if that's a thing) to reveal gkrieg as scummy (or whatever not town role he is).
What do you guys want me to do? At what point do you want me to claim?
Also are you saying I'm scummy for finding you scummy? What about the other points in my post above about you not wanting to switch your vote from Awaclus to mcmcsalot?
how so
fake hammer: kkriegBut for real please don't hammer. Is anyone interested in me claiming?
forreal hammer: kkriegThat's fine; I am interested in me claiming.
not especially interested, no
No I actually thought my role was really cool and want to tell everyone about it.fake hammer: kkriegBut for real please don't hammer. Is anyone interested in me claiming?
What, you have a fake claim all ready just waiting for someone to ask you to claim?
kool
gut feel vote: Awalcus
I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
I don't have any strong scum reads, but I don't think Robz is.
I'd be ok with Awaclus or Andrew
Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go! Any takers? Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions
he reacted pretty quickly to my initial kinda random vote at him
he hasn't been particularly helpful
he jumped on the mcmc train
honestly my reasons are weak but heyy it is day 1
Yea I won't deny that. I could have switched my vote but I honestly thought Awaclus was scummier than mcmc.Oh go away for a little bit.
You are obviously going to be able to win any argument that I put at you because you are better at twisting words and using select quotes and appealing to emotions in a way that people still like you at the end of it.
So I am not even going to try and get frustrated with you. I'll put up some stuff later today (today as in today in this game by the way, like Saturday or Sunday) as long as I don't get lynched.
Then you can just totally demolish it and get everyone to ignore it.
Uh I'm really surprised you are so touchy about this. Say why doing what you did D 1 is townie. Also I know kkrieg was online and could've voted mcmcsalot. vote: kkrieg
Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.
Does town win if the SK is still alive?
I think gkrieg could be scummy. He is pretty accurate at reading me IRL. I think he knows I'm not scum and yet he's voting for me. Granted I am crap at reading gkrieg so you never know.I think we would keep a lower profile.I kinda agree with this. I think scum has reason to either lay low (like e, maybe eevee) or be super defensive (like twm)
Do you think I am scummy? If you do, you should vote for me. Commit to that read.Okkkkkk. Vote: TWM.
L-1 I believe.
I'm sort of losing confidence in either TWM or kkrieg flipping scum. I don't know, TWM's righteous indignation about being suspected is all of a sudden feeling more townie to me. And when I called kkrieg out for not voting TWM yet, her reaction seemed pretty townie to me.I honestly don't feel great about TWM vote. I wasn't voting him originally because I think voting scum is better than having the attitude of "voting anyone as long as it isn't me." But I'm currently voting him because we need to lynch someone to get this game moving.
But I don't what the next best option would be.
What are some scummy points on schadd?
She uses the words leaning and phrases like "yea I won't deny that". Those are hedgy posts.
The question that obviously follows is of you commuted or not, but I really don't think you should answer that question. Although it could be extremely relevant due to the no kill last night.
if she didn't the setup is confirmed. but we ought to wait for our fausts and our gkriegs to have a go
if she didn't the setup is confirmed. but we ought to wait for our fausts and our gkriegs to have a go
?? How confirmed?
Okay unvote
So gkrieg was hilariously wrong about kkrieg. But this doesn't actually make me suspicious of gkrieg, who has been hilariously wrong (as town) a lot in the games I've played with him recently.
i.e. we know which setup it isif she didn't the setup is confirmed. but we ought to wait for our fausts and our gkriegs to have a go
?? How confirmed?
With that, I fairly certain I will jump back over to voting faust, but will give it some time and let everyone have a chance to post
i.e. we know which setup it isif she didn't the setup is confirmed. but we ought to wait for our fausts and our gkriegs to have a go
?? How confirmed?
if she didn't the setup is confirmed. but we ought to wait for our fausts and our gkriegs to have a go
?? How confirmed?
Okay unvote
So gkrieg was hilariously wrong about kkrieg. But this doesn't actually make me suspicious of gkrieg, who has been hilariously wrong (as town) a lot in the games I've played with him recently.
vote: Robz
This is what Dylan did to me in the game he was scum. Tried to make me doubt my reads.
With that, I fairly certain I will jump back over to voting faust, but will give it some time and let everyone have a chance to post
Or you could read Robz and then vote for him. My first kkrieg post has a lot of stuff about Robz and his EoD with mcmcsalot.
i.e. we know which setup it isif she didn't the setup is confirmed. but we ought to wait for our fausts and our gkriegs to have a go
?? How confirmed?
... How, and which setup?
didn't commute => kill prevented by other means; only other protective to coexist is jk (and traitor rb i guess but let's hesitantly call that unlikely)if she didn't commute it is very likely column 3
i.e. we know which setup it isif she didn't the setup is confirmed. but we ought to wait for our fausts and our gkriegs to have a go
?? How confirmed?
... How, and which setup?didn't commute => kill prevented by other means; only other protective to coexist is jk (and traitor rb i guess but let's hesitantly call that unlikely)if she didn't commute it is very likely column 3
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT.
I think gkrieg is town due to his tunnelling of kkrieg, and schadd slightly scummier for his "we know the setup now" thingI think that is a good point on gkrieg. I am just personally surprised he was (maybe possibly genuinely) wrong on my read.
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT.
Even though tonight is still Monday for me (yay west coast) Early Wednesday morning is only like 30 hours away.
I will take a serious look at Robz tomorrow, but still really like a faust lynch.
I think gkrieg is town due to his tunnelling of kkrieg, and schadd slightly scummier for his "we know the setup now" thing
I think gkrieg is town due to his tunnelling of kkrieg, and schadd slightly scummier for his "we know the setup now" thingI think that is a good point on gkrieg. I am just personally surprised he was (maybe possibly genuinely) wrong on my read.
hmmmmm. unvote until a counterclaim I guess.Quick double-check since I didn't see anyone do that:
7. 1-shot Commuter, Jailkeeper, Detective; Traitor Knows Mafia + Serial Killer
or
1. Detective, 1-shot Commuter, Goon Cop; 1-shot Investigation Immune + Serial Killer
then. If you are a PR not in that list, you may want to consider claiming.
faust's reads above are crap. And not even just the one on me. His read on schadd is just bad.Your read is bad!
Probably.faust's reads above are crap. And not even just the one on me. His read on schadd is just bad.Your read is bad!
Wanna lynch Eevee? Just checking. I don't want to be the default lynch if we don't manage to lynch you.Probably not today
Why is Andrew even voting for me? I think there was a reason somewhere...He liked my reasons for voting you I think
I think I forgot your reasons too. I only remember what e has said about SK hunting, but I don't think that was your angle.Why is Andrew even voting for me? I think there was a reason somewhere...He liked my reasons for voting you I think
faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.
This just feels like genuinely busy mcmc to me, him actually being what he says makes a lot of sense. The problem is I don't have a great alternative candidate...
I have been forced to accept that lackluster play is a town tell for you.
I found Andrew's reasons at least:faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.
Which I think I addressed but clearly not in a manner that was sufficiently convincing.
I get that the thing is appealing if Andrew truly thinks I look the same way he does as scum. But we are different people, and pointing out edge cases is certainly not a scum tell for me.
I don't really get how pushing TWM hard is scummy. I think he's scum, so I push him. Applying pressure hopefully tells me even more about him. Scum has no reason to expose themselves like this; it's reasonable enough to think that the SK, after killing a scum early, would try to gun for town next; that's actually a plus for the mafia. The only reason for scum to push is to divert attention, and what I've been doing has certainly not achieved that.
weird is towny.
robz is towny
mcmc scummy
got to give town points for faust for leading
why is andrew brought up so often as a viable lynch without accompanying vote movement?
Oh ma less than 24 hours.
Totally totally no idea who to vote for. Weekend deadlines are bad for town!
why so loose with bringing up buddying? scum narrative could be maintaining the idea in people's head that that's a scummy behavior eevee often exhibits, hoping someone will bite.
just seems weird you'd bring it up. my two leading causes of daytime death are buddying and hedginess, someone who wouldn't mind seeing me lynched might want to drop those buzzwords around me hoping someone else starts painting me scummy for them. kind of like trying to get two people to fight while you slowly walk away to watch from afar.
(going to sleep now!)
Vote: EeveeHow exactly did e's post convince you to this vote in a way that mine did not? And whatever happened to "let's lynch the SK, which Eevee is not"?
Really?I found Andrew's reasons at least:faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.
Which I think I addressed but clearly not in a manner that was sufficiently convincing.
I get that the thing is appealing if Andrew truly thinks I look the same way he does as scum. But we are different people, and pointing out edge cases is certainly not a scum tell for me.
I don't really get how pushing TWM hard is scummy. I think he's scum, so I push him. Applying pressure hopefully tells me even more about him. Scum has no reason to expose themselves like this; it's reasonable enough to think that the SK, after killing a scum early, would try to gun for town next; that's actually a plus for the mafia. The only reason for scum to push is to divert attention, and what I've been doing has certainly not achieved that.
Yeah well, it's more of a gut read right now. But I don't see TWM killing mcmc last night. I do see you doing it and then blaming TWM for it, however.
Vote: EeveeHow exactly did e's post convince you to this vote in a way that mine did not? And whatever happened to "let's lynch the SK, which Eevee is not"?
Would you reconsider TWM?Vote: EeveeHow exactly did e's post convince you to this vote in a way that mine did not? And whatever happened to "let's lynch the SK, which Eevee is not"?
Well, now we don't have kkrieg as a lynch option, so Eevee is automatically more appealing. And, for reasons they might not actually indicate anything, I'm feeling more like he's scum--he's been gone longer now, and as I said, low-participation Eevee is scum Eevee.
Would you reconsider TWM?Vote: EeveeHow exactly did e's post convince you to this vote in a way that mine did not? And whatever happened to "let's lynch the SK, which Eevee is not"?
Well, now we don't have kkrieg as a lynch option, so Eevee is automatically more appealing. And, for reasons they might not actually indicate anything, I'm feeling more like he's scum--he's been gone longer now, and as I said, low-participation Eevee is scum Eevee.
Maybe I should reread a scum game of his. But that won't happen pre-deadline. Still, SK is different from other scum.And again, I say that if I were SK I would be playing this completely differently. I certainly wouldn't have come out after Night 1 basically shouting, "Hey I am solidly town!" Even if that were true, that is pretty much waving a flag and saying, "hey mafia make sure you kill me tonight!" SK doesn't want to do that.
Kkrieg is confirmed town now, right?
What about schadd? The post e quoted made me realize my earlier exchanges with him. I could vote for schadd.
That is L-1. I guess I should say that if I were scum I would have counterclaimed kkrieg. Might still have ended up with me being the lynch, but at least it would have given me a chance of survival for at least the day. As once she claimed it became pretty apparent I was going to be the lynch.As the SK you wouldn't because one day doesn't help you.
Yes. That is a fair point.That is L-1. I guess I should say that if I were scum I would have counterclaimed kkrieg. Might still have ended up with me being the lynch, but at least it would have given me a chance of survival for at least the day. As once she claimed it became pretty apparent I was going to be the lynch.As the SK you wouldn't because one day doesn't help you.
Out of Robz/gkrieg/e, Robz is probably the mafia-est.Agreed.
twm, how does this game feel different/similar to nm10?Um. Very different.
how about, like, emotionallyI feel good.
[dr phil]and how does that make you feel[/dr phil]
in a special way?I feel like you are making me feel special.
in this game or because of the town win?
Out of Robz/gkrieg/e, Robz is probably the mafia-est.Agreed.
who would you shoot right now if you had a day vigilanteI wouldn't. At least not right now in the game state or day state.
If you look at the mcmc wagon and how it formed and how it was responded to gkrieg and e come out super townie. This is why Robz is the mafia-est.Out of Robz/gkrieg/e, Robz is probably the mafia-est.Agreed.
I disagree. I think Robz going with the flow and not being committed to one lynch is pretty towny of him. Out of those three I find gkrieg the scummiest. faust why did you feel compelled to single those three people out?
Out of Robz/gkrieg/e, Robz is probably the mafia-est.Agreed.
I disagree. I think Robz going with the flow and not being committed to one lynch is pretty towny of him. Out of those three I find gkrieg the scummiest. faust why did you feel compelled to single those three people out?
To me the only alternative to TWM is schadd.Well thanks for making his decision that much easier. I really don't think this was the optimal time to say that.
So schadd are you going to vote for me? 2.7, gkrieg and Andrew I don't think are (although I think 2.7 would to get a lynch through, and I now respect that). If you aren't then my wagon needs to dissipate and go elsewhere.i have strong nagging sensations that you are both town and scum.
So what is your decision?
The kkrieg wagon at peak:Who was awake/ in a place with a reasonable time zone that could have hammered?
gkrieg, e, Robz, TWM
kkrieg would have been a good lynch for scum. I would think that mafia is on here somewhere, but all of these players are non-mafia reads for. So probably my reads are off.
You claimed one hour after TWM put you at L-1. I don't think we can expect that scum would have hammered kkrieg if they weren't on the wagon already, there wasn't enough time.The kkrieg wagon at peak:Who was awake/ in a place with a reasonable time zone that could have hammered?
gkrieg, e, Robz, TWM
kkrieg would have been a good lynch for scum. I would think that mafia is on here somewhere, but all of these players are non-mafia reads for. So probably my reads are off.
you're vt, presumably?I have declined to state that at this point. You are free to infer whatever you want.
Time starting to be an issue. I can get up for the deadline, but not much before.
schadd, uhm.. if we can't get the TWM lynch through, my second preference of the people currently having votes on them would be you. And that's not meant as a godfather-type move! I just realized that the deadline is super close and people are unlikely to be around for it (again), earth is approaching rapidlyyy.
And stupid to do so without claim, etc. the person who did that would be highly suspected the next day.You claimed one hour after TWM put you at L-1. I don't think we can expect that scum would have hammered kkrieg if they weren't on the wagon already, there wasn't enough time.The kkrieg wagon at peak:Who was awake/ in a place with a reasonable time zone that could have hammered?
gkrieg, e, Robz, TWM
kkrieg would have been a good lynch for scum. I would think that mafia is on here somewhere, but all of these players are non-mafia reads for. So probably my reads are off.
Presumably we could get TWM to vote for schadd, but that's still just three of us, and no one else has expressed any interest in this lynch.I don't think schadd can conceivably be mcmc's partner. What do you say to that?
Someone willing to do schadd? Andrew? kkrieg?
Presumably we could get TWM to vote for schadd, but that's still just three of us, and no one else has expressed any interest in this lynch.I don't think schadd can conceivably be mcmc's partner. What do you say to that?
Someone willing to do schadd? Andrew? kkrieg?
twm, do you think it is a fair assessment you've been more harsh at people pressuring you this game than in the newbie?Yes.
Ok. That was a bad choice of words. I think it highly unlikely that he is compared with others based off how he responded to the mcmc wagon and breakup. For that reason he isn't a great vote, but if it between him and me, I would go for it, but wouldn't be thrilled.Presumably we could get TWM to vote for schadd, but that's still just three of us, and no one else has expressed any interest in this lynch.I don't think schadd can conceivably be mcmc's partner. What do you say to that?
Someone willing to do schadd? Andrew? kkrieg?
I would say: schadd can conceivably be mcmc's partner. Anyone could conceivably be mcmc's partner, except kkrieg. And Andrew is very unlikely, because of the slip.
do you know what i was referring to with this?well it also so happens that leaving a bus through the emergency exit is your scum thingi'm trying to think of a better analogy than "i'm such a good starcraft player, look at how many minerals i have"I don't know what that means.you pushed on him during the day, yes. end of day is whenlynches happen and at end of day you lynched awaclus for voting the guy you're trying to get towncred for pushingI am aware at how mediocre my Day 1 performance was. Thank you very much. And I am not saying I should be the IC. I just don't think I should be the default lynch or the go-to suspect today. I think the evidence argues against that.
Ok. That was a bad choice of words. I think it highly unlikely that he is compared with others based off how he responded to the mcmc wagon and breakup. For that reason he isn't a great vote, but if it between him and me, I would go for it, but wouldn't be thrilled.Presumably we could get TWM to vote for schadd, but that's still just three of us, and no one else has expressed any interest in this lynch.I don't think schadd can conceivably be mcmc's partner. What do you say to that?
Someone willing to do schadd? Andrew? kkrieg?
I would say: schadd can conceivably be mcmc's partner. Anyone could conceivably be mcmc's partner, except kkrieg. And Andrew is very unlikely, because of the slip.
Sure. I did it twice in previous scum games.do you know what i was referring to with this?well it also so happens that leaving a bus through the emergency exit is your scum thingi'm trying to think of a better analogy than "i'm such a good starcraft player, look at how many minerals i have"I don't know what that means.you pushed on him during the day, yes. end of day is whenlynches happen and at end of day you lynched awaclus for voting the guy you're trying to get towncred for pushingI am aware at how mediocre my Day 1 performance was. Thank you very much. And I am not saying I should be the IC. I just don't think I should be the default lynch or the go-to suspect today. I think the evidence argues against that.
Ok. That was a bad choice of words. I think it highly unlikely that he is compared with others based off how he responded to the mcmc wagon and breakup. For that reason he isn't a great vote, but if it between him and me, I would go for it, but wouldn't be thrilled.Presumably we could get TWM to vote for schadd, but that's still just three of us, and no one else has expressed any interest in this lynch.I don't think schadd can conceivably be mcmc's partner. What do you say to that?
Someone willing to do schadd? Andrew? kkrieg?
I would say: schadd can conceivably be mcmc's partner. Anyone could conceivably be mcmc's partner, except kkrieg. And Andrew is very unlikely, because of the slip.
I will try to go back and look at it more carefully, but I'm not sure I'll have time before deadline.
why would it be different d1?Sure. I did it twice in previous scum games.do you know what i was referring to with this?well it also so happens that leaving a bus through the emergency exit is your scum thingi'm trying to think of a better analogy than "i'm such a good starcraft player, look at how many minerals i have"I don't know what that means.you pushed on him during the day, yes. end of day is whenlynches happen and at end of day you lynched awaclus for voting the guy you're trying to get towncred for pushingI am aware at how mediocre my Day 1 performance was. Thank you very much. And I am not saying I should be the IC. I just don't think I should be the default lynch or the go-to suspect today. I think the evidence argues against that.
Once with RR in your game and once with Andrew in the other. But neither time on Day 1?
Also just happened to see this right after my 482 from schadd:it does, but mcmc is a good scum player
schadd isn't mcmc's partner. He isn't going to be talking me into a lynch right after I express an opinion that I want to avoid it and then further tries to put the brakes on the Awaclus wagon:i mean, someone that makes a point of obscuring his reasoning shouldn't be the d1 lynch because of his shoddy reasoning. what do we have on him?
Sorry I missed this before, but I am putting schadd up there along with 2.7 and gkrieg of not mcmc's partner. (This conclusion totally overrode the original intent of this post, but I guess it was worth it).
schadd, uhm.. if we can't get the TWM lynch through, my second preference of the people currently having votes on them would be you.i don't have any votes
Because I think a correct scum lynch would be much harder to overcome if it went through, so risky. The other days it was apparent that Andrew and RR had good chances of being lynched going into the day and I wanted to be a part of it for credit. Day 1 starts with an open slate, so no plan or precog going on.why would it be different d1?Sure. I did it twice in previous scum games.do you know what i was referring to with this?well it also so happens that leaving a bus through the emergency exit is your scum thingi'm trying to think of a better analogy than "i'm such a good starcraft player, look at how many minerals i have"I don't know what that means.you pushed on him during the day, yes. end of day is whenlynches happen and at end of day you lynched awaclus for voting the guy you're trying to get towncred for pushingI am aware at how mediocre my Day 1 performance was. Thank you very much. And I am not saying I should be the IC. I just don't think I should be the default lynch or the go-to suspect today. I think the evidence argues against that.
Once with RR in your game and once with Andrew in the other. But neither time on Day 1?
you didn't finish the day voting him though. if you're scum you wouldn't have planned to, and you've gotten away with such rather easily in the past.
But again if mcmc gets lynched because of a wagon I started,whether I am on it or not, is going to be very bad for mafia, right?you didn't start the wagon, as you note in the next sentence.
This seems ridiculous. I am trying to answer questions of what I would have done as scum, when I really can only speculate. It doesn't seem very useful. Go look at my posts and ask me why I did them as town. That I can answer, not this speculation shit.yeah, i know. the thing about scumreads is that they're weak if the thing they did has a reasonable town explanation. i'm doing my derndest
Help move along then.But again if mcmc gets lynched because of a wagon I started,whether I am on it or not, is going to be very bad for mafia, right?you didn't start the wagon, as you note in the next sentence.
do you remember if you thought mcmc was scum during n1?
Oh sure. I am not being critical of you, I just can't answer your questions very well.This seems ridiculous. I am trying to answer questions of what I would have done as scum, when I really can only speculate. It doesn't seem very useful. Go look at my posts and ask me why I did them as town. That I can answer, not this speculation shit.yeah, i know. the thing about scumreads is that they're weak if the thing they did has a reasonable town explanation. i'm doing my derndest
well that's the worst vt claim i've seen in my adult lifeHelp move along then.But again if mcmc gets lynched because of a wagon I started,whether I am on it or not, is going to be very bad for mafia, right?you didn't start the wagon, as you note in the next sentence.
do you remember if you thought mcmc was scum during n1?
And I didn't do any thinking about the game during the night.
the tip to improving at mafia et al. is that you can be critical of yourself more often than you're supposed to.Oh sure. I am not being critical of you, I just can't answer your questions very well.This seems ridiculous. I am trying to answer questions of what I would have done as scum, when I really can only speculate. It doesn't seem very useful. Go look at my posts and ask me why I did them as town. That I can answer, not this speculation shit.yeah, i know. the thing about scumreads is that they're weak if the thing they did has a reasonable town explanation. i'm doing my derndest
yeah sorry for kind of making you vt slip. i did worry about that in asking the questionIt wasn't my brightest moment ever.
future so bright u need shades 8)yeah sorry for kind of making you vt slip. i did worry about that in asking the questionIt wasn't my brightest moment ever.
different from what?Don't think I meant to say different there. I find him scummy.
Keep in mind it's his birthday, I don't know if he'll be around. Are we really comfortable lynching him without a claim? I mean, I would rather lynch him than get lynched myself, but objectively, I don't know if that's the smartest thing,I am sort of inclined to go after one of the mcmc pile-on ers. But maybe avoiding mcmc's wagon was the safest thing for scum to do.This just feels like genuinely busy mcmc to me, him actually being what he says makes a lot of sense. The problem is I don't have a great alternative candidate...I mean if all we can do is lynch mcmc or no one, I will vote for mcmc befoere I go to sleep in about 2 hrsI agree with this.hey gkrieg I know you're online what do you think about awaclus?how about you talk about why you are voting awaclus pleeeeez
He's a person who isn't a townread.Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go! Any takers? Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions
he reacted pretty quickly to my initial kinda random vote at him
he hasn't been particularly helpful
he jumped on the mcmc train
honestly my reasons are weak but heyy it is day 1
Ok, so these are the posts that I feel pushed from mcmc to Andrew. I think Robz is pretty solidly partnery, and the fact that kkrieg didn't trust my reads is a little shady. I really think she would go to the effort to at least tell me why mcmcsalot was townie, instead of just telling me why she thought Awaclus was scummy. The reasoning to stay on the Awa wagon are SUPER weak. Like none of them are scummy at all.
The fact that she stayed on Awaclus instead of switching to mcmcsalot with those reasons (and not giving reasons why mcmc was townier than Awa) is really scummy from her. She generally trusts me a lot more in social deduction games.
it was a bit of a useless exercise because this is the sort of thing you're good at as scum anyway but i need to do something, at least for you to know what you're dealing with if you're town
Did we get scum TWM?(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/parksandrecreation/images/3/38/Leslie.png/revision/latest?cb=20111015205925)
What exactly did you mean by being good at this sort of thing as scum? I have never been in this situation before as scum.it was a bit of a useless exercise because this is the sort of thing you're good at as scum anyway but i need to do something, at least for you to know what you're dealing with if you're town
All of this felt like schadd trying to make it look like he was actually trying to think about this. But he always wanted to hammer me. Nothing I said actually had an impact on him. Makes him a lot scummier.
r u skFuck no. I am VT. I wouldn't be trying to help town here if I was scum.
which is why i askedYou shouldn't have to ask. Just assume I am town here, what do you have to lose? You will see the flip and then know one way or the other.
imna check if you breadcrumbed skOk. You do that instead of talking with what is about to become a confirmed townie, albeit dead.
ic is like the least interesting person to talk to.
But you didnt want o talk with me when I was an IC PR last game, so why am I not surprised.this kind of sounds like a slip that i'm town
The kills this game are decidedly strange.
I feel like we need to massclaim today. 3 scum and 3 PRs left. kkrieg should probably do some sort of claiming order list.
Wasn't Andrew pushing for faust really hard yesterday?I believe you're thinking of e.
Wasn't Andrew pushing for faust really hard yesterday?I believe you're thinking of e.
Well, actually there is a minimum of 2 scum on the wagon, so we can learn from that.Well unless you're scum ::)
Basically, we are lynching someone on that wagon
i think that pre-claim is way, way better to speculate who's scum before the massclaim.
do you perchance remember the two people you were trying to decide between at the end of day 2 M97?
dylan and andrew. you decided andrew was a little townier.
why is it pointless to speculate scummos before massclaim?
i think that pre-claim is way, way better to speculate who's scum before the massclaim.It's definitely better to speculate who's scum before the massclaim... because we shouldn't have a massclaim!
Dylan and Andrew. Both were scum. I was town. What's your point?you are maybe an okay town player.
Dylan and Andrew. Both were scum. I was town. What's your point?you are maybe an okay town player.
I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrowI'm not sure I'm following this...
I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrowI'm not sure I'm following this...
I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow
I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow
I agree with this. Even losing one role to roleblocking seems worth it to have a tremendous amount of POE.
I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow
I agree with this. Even losing one role to roleblocking seems worth it to have a tremendous amount of POE.
You say this. Yet, unless we lynch the SK today, we will still have 2 killing actions the next night. I.e. even if we lynch correctly, we could reasonably end up with 2 nightkills on the next night. Then we're at 4 alive with 2 scum and have lost control of the game.
If I were the mod here, I would ask the mod not to use quotes from an ongoing game in the signature by the way. It's a subtle manipulation technique.
Yes; that's a reasonable enoguh assumption. I wouldn't want to bet the game on them doing it.I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow
I agree with this. Even losing one role to roleblocking seems worth it to have a tremendous amount of POE.
You say this. Yet, unless we lynch the SK today, we will still have 2 killing actions the next night. I.e. even if we lynch correctly, we could reasonably end up with 2 nightkills on the next night. Then we're at 4 alive with 2 scum and have lost control of the game.
As long as the other scum don't shoot the same person.
Well I will wait on kkrieg to come in here and see the light, thank you very much.
We will have a 3/4 shot to hit scum after all the claims happen.
I think gkrieg is probably scum after all his hesitation to claim and how much he has been around.
I think schadd/eevee will be our last PR, but I think it is schadd.
Town: e, schadd, kkrieg, Robz
scum: faust (goon), schadd/eevee (SK/traitor) not sure which is which.
You know based on your PR that I am scum?Well I will wait on kkrieg to come in here and see the light, thank you very much.
to come here and join you on another attempted mislynch, you mean. She helped mislynch Awaclus and TWM, you are hoping for one more. I know based on my PR that you are scum. So unless you have some good results that you are town that override my results.....it will be hard to convince me you are town.
We will have a 3/4 shot to hit scum after all the claims happen.
I think gkrieg is probably scum after all his hesitation to claim and how much he has been around.
I think schadd/eevee will be our last PR, but I think it is schadd.
Town: e, schadd, kkrieg, Robz
scum: faust (goon), schadd/eevee (SK/traitor) not sure which is which.
This is very confusing to me. Where am I?
Argh.
There's stuff. I'm troubled.
Figuring out which scum you are.Argh.
There's stuff. I'm troubled.
I am interested in knowing that stuff that troubles you.
I'm the last PR.
Which means that e is probably the goon cop, which means we are in:
Detective, 1-shot Commuter, Goon Cop; 1-shot Investigation Immune + Serial Killer
I'm the last PR.
Which means that e is probably the goon cop, which means we are in:
Detective, 1-shot Commuter, Goon Cop; 1-shot Investigation Immune + Serial Killer
*sigh*
No you're not.
I'm a PR.
FWIW, giving away what PR you are was a bit shortsighted, gkrieg.
i vt'd robz both nights
i vt'd robz both nights
This can actually work out pretty well for us I think.
good times, good times.
I jailkept faust both nights
If you notice, I basically came out 100% hard core against faust almost out of nowhere D2. If faust jailkept eevee, why did he not suspect him as scum?
good times, good times.
I jailkept faust both nights
If you notice, I basically came out 100% hard core against faust almost out of nowhere D2. If faust jailkept eevee, why did he not suspect him as scum?
So faust has to be the goon in your eyes?
vti vt'd robz both nights
what are you claiming?
vti vt'd robz both nights
what are you claiming?
I'm a Jailkeeper. Of course.
I need to get home now, but I blocked Eeevee both nights.
vti vt'd robz both nights
what are you claiming?
ok, so Robz is confirmed scum to you then.
i uh don't plan to play a game with a serial killer in the near future
I'm on phone still, Faust and e are in conflicting claims, is gkrieg?
like i am having trouble thinking this through even with an assumption that robz is red
we shouldn't talk about eevee until he claims, yes?
like i am having trouble thinking this through even with an assumption that robz is red
we shouldn't talk about eevee until he claims, yes?
I think you and I are both vts if Eevee and gkrieg are both scum. Wait is that possible
If you notice, I basically came out 100% hard core against faust almost out of nowhere D2. If faust jailkept eevee, why did he not suspect him as scum?I did. Reread.
I'm a Jailkeeper. Of course.
I need to get home now, but I blocked Eeevee both nights.
Also if this is the case, then Eevee also can only be the goon, but can't be the SK.
Claiming PRs will get us to 3 ICs with 4 people (probably) claiming VT.This is what tipped me off that a fakeclaim was coming. It is inconceivable for me that someone would ignore the possibility of fakeclaims.
Still reasonably sure the Robz is the SK. I mean it could be schadd, but I have a hard time seeing that.
So does nobody have something to say anymore?
I'm going to do an Eevee reread since I don't remember anything about that guy.
I needed a way to bring Eevee up that wouldn't immediately expose me. After N1 I wasn't sure what happened; there are multiple possible explanations for no NK, and most of them do not include me. You on the other hand claim you knew I was scum on D2 when you couldn't possibly have known.So does nobody have something to say anymore?
I'm going to do an Eevee reread since I don't remember anything about that guy.
Yeah, sure sounds like someone you Jailkept N1.
I investigated schadd N1, and faust N2, and got didn't kill for both of them. Considering we know mafia doesn't have any investigation immunity at this point, that means that e/Eevee is the scum team, but ironically, we should lynch out of Robz/schadd.Well that just makes things so much easier. I agree with your analysis.
Oh, and SK 1-shot investigation immune isn't passive, which means that unless schadd used it N1, Robz is the SK.
Serial Killer: (if applicable, present 3/8 of the time)
- 2-shot JOAT, which includes a passive 1-shot Bulletproof, 1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Investigation Immune.
Oh, and SK 1-shot investigation immune isn't passive, which means that unless schadd used it N1, Robz is the SK.
Err...Serial Killer: (if applicable, present 3/8 of the time)
- 2-shot JOAT, which includes a passive 1-shot Bulletproof, 1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Investigation Immune.
Well I know from POE that one of faust/e, and one of Robz/schadd, and Eevee are scum.
It seems that traitor knew that mcmcsalot was mafia.
Also, faust's result incriminates Eevee, which works better with my theory anyway.
I investigated schadd N1, and faust N2, and got didn't kill for both of them. Considering we know mafia doesn't have any investigation immunity at this point, that means that e/Eevee is the scum team, but ironically, we should lynch out of Robz/schadd.
Well I know from POE that one of faust/e, and one of Robz/schadd, and Eevee are scum.
It seems that traitor knew that mcmcsalot was mafia.
Also, faust's result incriminates Eevee, which works better with my theory anyway.
I investigated schadd N1, and faust N2, and got didn't kill for both of them. Considering we know mafia doesn't have any investigation immunity at this point, that means that e/Eevee is the scum team, but ironically, we should lynch out of Robz/schadd.
Did you get "did not kill" or "no result"
Because a "did not kill" N2 incriminates me. If I am telling the truth your result should have been "no result"
Please clarify with the mod in your qt.
I Jailkept faust, but that doesn't prevent investigative results. My bad, carry on
I Jailkept faust, but that doesn't prevent investigative results. My bad, carry on
That still means that you are 100% scum with my results...
I blocked him both nights. Unless attempting to kill counts for detective results
I needed a way to bring Eevee up that wouldn't immediately expose me. After N1 I wasn't sure what happened; there are multiple possible explanations for no NK, and most of them do not include me. You on the other hand claim you knew I was scum on D2 when you couldn't possibly have known.So does nobody have something to say anymore?
I'm going to do an Eevee reread since I don't remember anything about that guy.
Yeah, sure sounds like someone you Jailkept N1.
why investigate me n1? you don't have to answer
I blocked him both nights. Unless attempting to kill counts for detective results
Of course. Didn't see that. I guess mafia possibly haven't killed at all yet...
So from your POV, what does the game look like?
Woo I'm here! Umm I guess I don't know why more people don't think twm is scummy because I do but maybe I'm wrong. Faust seems like Faust. I would say I feel like 2.7 is lurking more then robz because I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother. I don't feel like much has happened yet.
I am caught up, I am also a vanilla townie. I also don't have much to add. I am much less confident of my reads after failing super hard last game and think most people are playing as I expect them to be playing. I would be open to lynching andrew, twm, 2.7. kkrieg, eevee, awaclus. Also I am sleepy and slightly inebriated.
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If Robz is town, Eevee is the SK and schadd is the traitor
If eevee is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or eevee could be SK or traitor.
From fausts perspective-
SK and traitor exist in {e, Robz, schadd}
If Robz is town, e is SK and schadd is traitor
If e is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or e could be SK/traitor.
Robz, you don't have to assume schadd is the SK.
This is how I see it:
The traitor and the SK exist in {Robz, Eevee, schadd}. Schadd cannot be the SK based on gkrieg's result.
So....
If Robz is town, Eevee is the SK and schadd is the traitor
If eevee is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or eevee could be SK or traitor.
From fausts perspective-
SK and traitor exist in {e, Robz, schadd}
If Robz is town, e is SK and schadd is traitor
If e is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or e could be SK/traitor.
Wait, SK is one shot investigative immune. So gkrieg's result on schadd actually don't mean anything
Wait, SK is one shot investigative immune. So gkrieg's result on schadd actually don't mean anything
But it is active, so he would've had to have activated it the first night.
Wait, SK is one shot investigative immune. So gkrieg's result on schadd actually don't mean anything
But it is active, so he would've had to have activated it the first night.
It is not active
Wait, SK is one shot investigative immune. So gkrieg's result on schadd actually don't mean anything
But it is active, so he would've had to have activated it the first night.
It is not active
Ok. Back to what I originally posted
Ok. Back to what I originally posted
But with the possibility that schadd used investigation immune N1.
Everything from eevee makes me think he is scum.And this makes me sad.
Fireworks!
I'm a VT.
hi friends.
Glad to be able to help!Fireworks!
I'm a VT.
confirms gkrieg as IC
Cute kkrieg and I are ICs
And bring me too because I am about ready to claim IC status.
And bring me too because I am about ready to claim IC status.
You should have done that yesterday....no one will believe you today
hi friends.
HI. Why are Robz and eevee scum, with you actually being the vt
haCute kkrieg and I are ICs
Get a room!
that eevee claimed vt rather than ccing gkrieg is worth noting.
@Eevee @Robz
Can you both also answer the question of why you are the VT and the other two in (eevee, Robz, schadd) are scum?
Due to that possibility, I think lynching eevee is our best course of action.
If.....
Eevee flips SK, we rejoice with great rejoicing. I will Jailkeep faust, lynch him tomorrow, then we find a traitor among robz/schadd with 5 alive, only 1 scum
Eevee flips goon, I am scum, faust is Jailkeeper, he can hopefully block a kill and it is 5 town 2 scum. This will not occur.
Eevee flips town. We lose. Simple as that. Who wins between scum/sk? Not sure.
Eevee flips traitor. I Jailkeep faust, we know he is lying unless really weird kill choices and such occurred to prevent kills from happening. We will go into tomorrow 5/2, lynch faust, 3/1 lylo vs the SK.
@Eevee @RobzIt's really hard to do that! In the last post I already gave my thoughts for why Robz makes sense for a SK. For myself, I know my play has been a little lackluster, at least for me it's harder to stay engaged as a VT. I think I would have faked more reads or content as scum, looking back I'm surprised I skated by this far without really doing much.
Can you both also answer the question of why you are the VT and the other two in (eevee, Robz, schadd) are scum?
Oh, one other argument, Robz is a pretty common night kill (and we even had two once), whenever he lives this long, he is more likely to be scum. Especially with the kills this far having been a VT claimed and out of left field - Andrew.
Well, yeah! You are scum every other game, and usually do very well!Oh, one other argument, Robz is a pretty common night kill (and we even had two once), whenever he lives this long, he is more likely to be scum. Especially with the kills this far having been a VT claimed and out of left field - Andrew.
This just isn't true! I live unbelievably long, very often now. I'm naturally suspicious, and I'm not super threatening townie, so when I'm town the scum just let me live.
Robz claiming VT seems SK'y as well. Kind of feel dumb for missing this. Especially for Robz, as the SK avoiding the night kill would be a big big priority. What better way than an early VT claim? Robz doesn't tend to claim early (or VT) in my experience.
This has got to be one of the more insane Day 3s ever.from just now
This is so insane.from m90. similar situation
kkrieg: [...] mostly she has done a few things that would be rather unintuitive for a first-time scum performance on forum: this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg688194#msg688194) in particular is just exactly how town feels there, and is the kind of emotional segue you see from experienced scum players (robz does this an asston, see end of m90) but it would be so hard to think to do unless you've seen people do it and get townread for it. a few other posts have given me this same impression.from nm10
if i ever use that for nefarious purposes please mail me anthraxThis has got to be one of the more insane Day 3s ever.from just nowThis is so insane.from m90. similar situation
fortunately my position is out alreadykkrieg: [...] mostly she has done a few things that would be rather unintuitive for a first-time scum performance on forum: this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg688194#msg688194) in particular is just exactly how town feels there, and is the kind of emotional segue you see from experienced scum players (robz does this an asston, see end of m90) but it would be so hard to think to do unless you've seen people do it and get townread for it. a few other posts have given me this same impression.from nm10
i don't think he bothers to say that as town, whereas he says that as scum as a filler of sorts
Sure. How is the VT claim evidence of you not being the SK? What other role (or type of other role) would you have claimed if you were the SK?Robz claiming VT seems SK'y as well. Kind of feel dumb for missing this. Especially for Robz, as the SK avoiding the night kill would be a big big priority. What better way than an early VT claim? Robz doesn't tend to claim early (or VT) in my experience.
I mean, I claimed what I am, and I did it because I was L-1ed. I think.
And bring me too because I am about ready to claim IC status.
You should have done that yesterday....no one will believe you today
I hadn't earned it yet. Now we know schadd, Eevee, and either you or faust are scum.
We really need to lynch the SK here, right? Because there could still be two kills tonight, otherwise. We can't count on the JK if we still have the SK, the SK could still have Strongman. Strongman punches through JK, right?
Sure. How is the VT claim evidence of you not being the SK? What other role (or type of other role) would you have claimed if you were the SK?Robz claiming VT seems SK'y as well. Kind of feel dumb for missing this. Especially for Robz, as the SK avoiding the night kill would be a big big priority. What better way than an early VT claim? Robz doesn't tend to claim early (or VT) in my experience.
I mean, I claimed what I am, and I did it because I was L-1ed. I think.
I'm at work so I just skimmed everything. I'll catch up tonight.
For the record I think I believe gkrieg
I'm at work so I just skimmed everything. I'll catch up tonight.
For the record I think I believe gkrieg
You weren't.Robz claiming VT seems SK'y as well. Kind of feel dumb for missing this. Especially for Robz, as the SK avoiding the night kill would be a big big priority. What better way than an early VT claim? Robz doesn't tend to claim early (or VT) in my experience.
I mean, I claimed what I am, and I did it because I was L-1ed. I think.
Eevee flips goon, I am scum, faust is Jailkeeper, he can hopefully block a kill and it is 5 town 2 scum. This will not occur.Except it will, Traitor!you blocks me and there are two kills.
Eevee flips goon, I am scum, faust is Jailkeeper, he can hopefully block a kill and it is 5 town 2 scum. This will not occur.Except it will, Traitor!you blocks me and there are two kills.
Man, e, why are you so convinced I'm scum?
i read that as "it's cool even though i'm scum." i mean i still hope (and somewhat believe) that it was a joke/different interpretation but i felt that "not cool" => "not also town" was intuitivewhether it's cool depends on your alignment this game. leaning towards not cool
False, it's cool anyway.
I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.!!
down to lynch eevee.Hey, why me and not Robz?
fwiw the (primary) reason i scumread gkrieg was because he hadn't townread anyone & i expected him to do a bunch of that early (was conflating him with faust kinda)
also 112 & 114 sounded uh something or other by tone whereas i remembered towngkrieg being kinda toneless
I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother.parallels
lalight/space was the team thereThat leaves Lalight and Space and honestly, you two are kinda of combining together a bit.On a serious note, me and Space are really good friends so we kinda combine together (if I understood correctly what you meant).
Maybe I am getting better at reading schadd? I can understand about 95% of what he is saying. Or is that scum indicative of him?Interested in his flip in this game, what if not being cryptic is his scumtell (aka kryptonite)?
And schadd's willingness to go along with this sort of confirms this.blahbdy blahbdy blah
oh yeah this. sounded like kill coordination, but i should have realized scumgkrieg is combing his posts for stuff that sounds traitory lm@0000why so loose with bringing up buddying? scum narrative could be maintaining the idea in people's head that that's a scummy behavior eevee often exhibits, hoping someone will bite.
It just seems like a strange thing from schadd. Still not sure if any of this means anything. If I were a vig, I would consider shooting him (checked the setup and there isn't a vig possible).
JK!you jails me and it blocks the kill that I would have inherited from regular mafia.....so only one kill will occur that night.The rules are unclear about what happens here.
JK!you jails me and it blocks the kill that I would have inherited from regular mafia.....so only one kill will occur that night.The rules are unclear about what happens here.
LaLight, which action takes precedence, the Jailkeeper or the Mafia Roleblocker?
This looks pretty bad given the circumstances.I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.!!
they aren't scumteam unfortunately but it still makes sense for them to possibly quickhammer here
i mean they can't actually quickhammer right nowThis looks pretty bad given the circumstances.I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.!!
they aren't scumteam unfortunately but it still makes sense for them to possibly quickhammer here
Right. Somehow I was under the impression that you had voted for Eevee too.i mean they can't actually quickhammer right nowThis looks pretty bad given the circumstances.I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.!!
they aren't scumteam unfortunately but it still makes sense for them to possibly quickhammer here
it is believable that you were under that impression.Right. Somehow I was under the impression that you had voted for Eevee too.i mean they can't actually quickhammer right nowThis looks pretty bad given the circumstances.I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.!!
they aren't scumteam unfortunately but it still makes sense for them to possibly quickhammer here
is that assuming eevee town?No, it's assuming Eevee Goon.
You know based on your PR that I am scum?Well I will wait on kkrieg to come in here and see the light, thank you very much.
to come here and join you on another attempted mislynch, you mean. She helped mislynch Awaclus and TWM, you are hoping for one more. I know based on my PR that you are scum. So unless you have some good results that you are town that override my results.....it will be hard to convince me you are town.
Vote: e that's not possible.
faust, what are you supposing e is?The Traitor most likely.
Actually I had a twist in my thoughts... we can just lynche hee, right? Then I can block Eevee again and we should be fine.
That is supposing Eevee is the Goon.
We can just lynch e is what I meant to say and what somehow came out that way.
Actually I had a twist in my thoughts... we can just lynche hee, right? Then I can block Eevee again and we should be fine.
That is supposing Eevee is the Goon.
From fausts perspective-
SK and traitor exist in {e, Robz, schadd}
If Robz is town, e is SK and schadd is traitor
If e is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or e could be SK/traitor.
You don't want to (and should never have been ok with) lynching eeveeYes. I never have been.
I already explained this to you earlier. Catch up, if you were the real JK you would have thought of this alreadyIf I was scum fakeclaiming JK, I would have thought of this already.
Also, "if e is town" does not make any sense from my perspective.From fausts perspective-
SK and traitor exist in {e, Robz, schadd}
If Robz is town, e is SK and schadd is traitor
If e is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or e could be SK/traitor.
You, as JK, want to lynch in this pool.
You don't want to (and should never have been ok with) lynching eevee
Basically, faust is not scum hunting, he is SK-hunting. Which I think is scummy.You are SK-hunting! You're scummy. ..
That being said, let's lynch the SK first, then we can lynch faust tomorrow
Did I do that right?
Like you, I have ideas for who the other mafia is. Like you, I think lynching the SK is better. Not sure where the difference is here.
Also you jump from "faust is scummy because he thinks TWM is mafia" to "faust is scummy because he thinks TWM is the SK" without blinking. You didn't stop for a minute to think how this should change your read on me.
I am not talking as much about who mcmc's partner is because I think the evidence against TWM is much stronger than against Robz or kkrieg.
I already explained this to you earlier. Catch up, if you were the real JK you would have thought of this alreadyIf I was scum fakeclaiming JK, I would have thought of this already.
Well we already know that for some reason you think that if you jailkeep someone and then there's no death, this is definite proof that the player in question is scum. I don't think the setup warrants that even remotely.
I had thought of the fact that we need to lynch SK and find traitor over lynching the goon yesterday. It's only a new idea to you because you just thought of your claim last night or earlier todatWhat? I thought of the same thing. I pushed for the person I thought was the SK over the person I thought was the Goon.
Yeah, now you're talking about N2 evidence to justify your D2 read.Well we already know that for some reason you think that if you jailkeep someone and then there's no death, this is definite proof that the player in question is scum. I don't think the setup warrants that even remotely.
No, I jailkept someone twice, with no death twice.
Also there clearly was a blocked kill. That can be any of SK/1-shot BP/JK/Traitor uwittingly blocking their partner, so I'm not sure if a claim helps us here.
Basically, faust is not scum hunting, he is SK-hunting. Which I think is scummy.
That being said, let's lynch the SK first, then we can lynch faust tomorrow
I should do that reads list schadd asked for. Will include kkrieg's pre-claim position for completeness.
Since SK and mafia reads are substantially different, I will give them separately. Scores will be x / y where x and y are number between 0 and 10. 10 means definitely [mafia for X/SK for y], 5 means neutral, 0 means definitely not that. Maybe it would make sense to include a separate Traitor category. Actually, with kkrieg's claim, we know that either Traitor knows Mafia or they don't know about each other. I don't think I will go through the trouble of separating these.
Well, here we go!
Robz888 - 4 / 7 [slightly unlikely to be mafia, mostly due to activity level and content, which I think would be higher then. It's good for an SK trying to stay under the radar a bit and to not get shot. Also mcmc at least has a connection to Robz, so that kill would make some sense.]
The_Wine_Merchant - 3 / 9 [I kinda doubt that mcmc and TWM would go for hard bussing. Reasons for being SK have been explained.]
schadd - 6 / 2 [Uncomfortable position for an SK - exposed and both likely to get lynched and nightkilled. As scum I could see him doing that more.]
Eevee - 8 / 2 [See Eevee reread; the way he treats the mcmc wagon is extremely suspicious, plus showing no interest to investigate that wagon today. I don't think SK!Eevee shoots mcmc.]
gkrieg13 - 3 / 4 [Overall townie read, but nothing stands out to make him obvtown. D1 suggests he's not mcmc's partner.]
AndrewisFTTW - 5 / 4 [Mostly neutral. Was slightly scummy on mcmc IIRC, but then later it seemed he didn't think about the setup at all, which he would have done as scum and as the SK.]
2.71828..... - e / e ... no, just kidding. Similar though, maybe 4 / 4 [I cannot really speak to him, I think I need to reread. He's made a townie impression, but that's just based on tone.]
kkrieg - 6 / 7 [I thought that she had some kind of role without a partner. SK or Traitor made sense. Now she's town unless we get a counterclaim, which I sort of doubt.]
Ok. Kkrieg would you like me to do a summary post for you? It might be easier if there is a short post to bring you up to speed.
Ok. Kkrieg would you like me to do a summary post for you? It might be easier if there is a short post to bring you up to speed....yes
Anyway, it means we just need to find the town in Robz, Eevee, schadd and lynch them today!I advise against this course of action.
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
I should do that reads list schadd asked for. Will include kkrieg's pre-claim position for completeness.
Since SK and mafia reads are substantially different, I will give them separately. Scores will be x / y where x and y are number between 0 and 10. 10 means definitely [mafia for X/SK for y], 5 means neutral, 0 means definitely not that. Maybe it would make sense to include a separate Traitor category. Actually, with kkrieg's claim, we know that either Traitor knows Mafia or they don't know about each other. I don't think I will go through the trouble of separating these.
Well, here we go!
Robz888 - 4 / 7 [slightly unlikely to be mafia, mostly due to activity level and content, which I think would be higher then. It's good for an SK trying to stay under the radar a bit and to not get shot. Also mcmc at least has a connection to Robz, so that kill would make some sense.]
The_Wine_Merchant - 3 / 9 [I kinda doubt that mcmc and TWM would go for hard bussing. Reasons for being SK have been explained.]
schadd - 6 / 2 [Uncomfortable position for an SK - exposed and both likely to get lynched and nightkilled. As scum I could see him doing that more.]
Eevee - 8 / 2 [See Eevee reread; the way he treats the mcmc wagon is extremely suspicious, plus showing no interest to investigate that wagon today. I don't think SK!Eevee shoots mcmc.]
gkrieg13 - 3 / 4 [Overall townie read, but nothing stands out to make him obvtown. D1 suggests he's not mcmc's partner.]
AndrewisFTTW - 5 / 4 [Mostly neutral. Was slightly scummy on mcmc IIRC, but then later it seemed he didn't think about the setup at all, which he would have done as scum and as the SK.]
2.71828..... - e / e ... no, just kidding. Similar though, maybe 4 / 4 [I cannot really speak to him, I think I need to reread. He's made a townie impression, but that's just based on tone.]
kkrieg - 6 / 7 [I thought that she had some kind of role without a partner. SK or Traitor made sense. Now she's town unless we get a counterclaim, which I sort of doubt.]
You should really work on those fakeclaims.
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
Alternatively, the SK could have Commuted or something on N2.
Anyway, it means we just need to find the town in Robz, Eevee, schadd and lynch them today!I advise against this course of action.
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
Alternatively, the SK could have Commuted or something on N2.
No. Don't we know it's the SK with 1shot investigation immunity and BP and something else?
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
Alternatively, the SK could have Commuted or something on N2.
No. Don't we know it's the SK with 1shot investigation immunity and BP and something else?
Anyway, it means we just need to find the town in Robz, Eevee, schadd and lynch them today!I advise against this course of action.
Haha good thing I'm IC!
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
Alternatively, the SK could have Commuted or something on N2.
No. Don't we know it's the SK with 1shot investigation immunity and BP and something else?
They can give up their kill to perform any PR
KIILLLL ALLLLL TOOOWWNNNIEESSS!!!!!!! ;D
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
Alternatively, the SK could have Commuted or something on N2.
No. Don't we know it's the SK with 1shot investigation immunity and BP and something else?
They can give up their kill to perform any PR
In addition to being JOAT?
KIILLLL ALLLLL TOOOWWNNNIEESSS!!!!!!! ;D
Isn't it nice to be IC?
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
Alternatively, the SK could have Commuted or something on N2.
No. Don't we know it's the SK with 1shot investigation immunity and BP and something else?
They can give up their kill to perform any PR
In addition to being JOAT?
Better believe it!
Why do you say the traitor is unrecruited? It's still possible that the traitor was recruited N1 and then both SK and mafia shot Andrew
Alternatively, the SK could have Commuted or something on N2.
No. Don't we know it's the SK with 1shot investigation immunity and BP and something else?
They can give up their kill to perform any PR
In addition to being JOAT?
Lynch Eevee -> 6 p. Traitor can successfully block JK, no matter what they do (confirmed by LaLight). Only thing that needs to happen is SK and Traitor shoot two different townies, then we're at 4 alive, 2 scum.
Lynch Eevee -> 6 p. Traitor can successfully block JK, no matter what they do (confirmed by LaLight). Only thing that needs to happen is SK and Traitor shoot two different townies, then we're at 4 alive, 2 scum.
yes, which is a losing situation for the traitor, so I have no clue why traitor!e would be pushing for that. Makes no sense. The SK can win here, but not mafia. Actually, it is a kingmaker situation, which just sucks.
Order of Operations: (roles listed earlier in parenthesis will be performed simultaneously)
Modifiers (Ninja/Strongman)
Commuter
Blocking (Jailkeeper, Roleblocking)
Protective (Bodyguard, Bulletproof)
Killing
JK!you jails me and it blocks the kill that I would have inherited from regular mafia.....so only one kill will occur that night.The rules are unclear about what happens here.
LaLight, which action takes precedence, the Jailkeeper or the Mafia Roleblocker?
In case if Roleblocker blocks Jailkeeper and makes the kill while being Jailkept, kill goes through.
Well I don't agree with "simultaneous execution". There's no such thing, and it should not have been in the OP.
anyone not boringha. anyone not voting
Well, everyone has said everything?No.
No.Lynch Eevee -> 6 p. Traitor can successfully block JK, no matter what they do (confirmed by LaLight). Only thing that needs to happen is SK and Traitor shoot two different townies, then we're at 4 alive, 2 scum.
yes, which is a losing situation for the traitor
prodge ish. it's mostly up to gkrieg and kkrieg to decide now.
something to consider: whomst does the traitor block if not gkrieg? (prob faust, if faust isn't scum)
prodge ish. it's mostly up to gkrieg and kkrieg to decide now.
something to consider: whomst does the traitor block if not gkrieg? (prob faust, if faust isn't scum)
prodge ish. it's mostly up to gkrieg and kkrieg to decide now.
something to consider: whomst does the traitor block if not gkrieg? (prob faust, if faust isn't scum)
Sorry, kkriegs birthday was yesterday, so I'll get to this today or tomorrow.
prodge ish. it's mostly up to gkrieg and kkrieg to decide now.
something to consider: whomst does the traitor block if not gkrieg? (prob faust, if faust isn't scum)
Sorry, kkriegs birthday was yesterday, so I'll get to this today or tomorrow.
How about now? I honestly don't think the town can lose here, unless it lynches town (and even then we might be okay). Both Eevee and schadd are definitely not town; Eevee is more likely to be SK. We should lynch Eevee.
I agree completely! Just switch Eevee to Robz, really.prodge ish. it's mostly up to gkrieg and kkrieg to decide now.
something to consider: whomst does the traitor block if not gkrieg? (prob faust, if faust isn't scum)
Sorry, kkriegs birthday was yesterday, so I'll get to this today or tomorrow.
How about now? I honestly don't think the town can lose here, unless it lynches town (and even then we might be okay). Both Eevee and schadd are definitely not town; Eevee is more likely to be SK. We should lynch Eevee.
I agree this seems mostly a krieg - affair for today.
Any questions or something, though? I don't have any points I haven't already made.
By the way, can others see my avatar?I can see it.
Has someone been purging the internet of cute pokemon images again?
SK's are hard to find. I outlined my reasons why I think Robz is more likely.I agree this seems mostly a krieg - affair for today.
Any questions or something, though? I don't have any points I haven't already made.
That's kind of lazy. Everyone who's not schadd or Robz should try to figure out who is the SK.
SK's are hard to find. I outlined my reasons why I think Robz is more likely.I agree this seems mostly a krieg - affair for today.
Any questions or something, though? I don't have any points I haven't already made.
That's kind of lazy. Everyone who's not schadd or Robz should try to figure out who is the SK.
Gkrieg who are you voting?No one yet. Still need to reread.
This setup is super confusing to me
Woo I'm here! Umm I guess I don't know why more people don't think twm is scummy because I do but maybe I'm wrong. Faust seems like Faust. I would say I feel like 2.7 is lurking more then robz because I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother. I don't feel like much has happened yet.
Agreed. Townie post.
People who don't to explain stuff are usually town PRs, in my experience.
Well, I do not have scum reads. I have a big townread on Eevee, his post about worrying that people will see him as hedgy or buddying and suspect him for it seemed like the kind of self-aware thing you self-censor if you're scum.
Vote: Robz
This is an L-2 vote on me.
I guess I'm not the worst lynch ever, if that's what's going to happen. I am a Vanilla Townie.
I would go for E if the votes were there. If not I'll stick with Andrew. Awaclus is also fine. This does not feel like scum mcmc to me.
I am sort of inclined to go after one of the mcmc pile-on ers. But maybe avoiding mcmc's wagon was the safest thing for scum to do.
Boy, I have to learn how to read mcmc.
Rough night for scum.
Yes, TWM looks very bad in light of faust's analysis. Vote: TWM
Want to lynch: TWM, kkrieg
Could lynch: 2.7, schadd, Andrew
Not inclined to lynch: gkrieg
Won't lynch (not today): Eevee, faust
I don't think faust is acting like scum at all.
I'm sort of losing confidence in either TWM or kkrieg flipping scum. I don't know, TWM's righteous indignation about being suspected is all of a sudden feeling more townie to me. And when I called kkrieg out for not voting TWM yet, her reaction seemed pretty townie to me.
But I don't what the next best option would be.
A faust vote is better than a schadd vote.
Nah, I'd rather lynch you than faust.
I would lynch TWM, I guess, or schadd. Perhaps I'd lynch Eevee. In fact, sure, I'd lynch Eevee.
I'm just not a fan of this faust wagon. Gkrieg and kkrieg both seem like definitely town. Who does that leave? Andrew and 2.7, I'm leaning townier.
Well I prefer a massclaim to lynching me.
I think you'll find "Robz being on all the wagons" is far more indicative of town Robz than scum Robz.
I want to keep in mind TWM's scumread was on faust, but it's almost pointless to speculate about who's scum until we massclaim. Although I see why it's possible to speculate about me. But nope, I'm just what I said I was.
dylan and andrew. you decided andrew was a little townier.
why is it pointless to speculate scummos before massclaim?
Well it's not pointless, okay, I'm most suspicious of faust and schadd. What I mean is, now if we do this massclaim, turns out you are an unchallenged PR, the fact that I suspected you doesn't mean much. Maybe it means something to you, something about me.
Well, I'm not the Serial Killer, or a scum of any kind, so it would be really bad if we lynched me. How can I convince you, so that we don't lose?
I would not have killed mcmc, for one thing, as I think multiple people recognized. He had claimed VT, and also, it's mcmc. He's my brother. He's one of the players I'm more adept at manipulating. Having him dead isn't worth the WIFOM it would have bought me.
I am always a staunch advocate of shooting the gkriegs and fausts of the word, the fact that they are still alive should be good indication I have no killing power.
Killing mcmc, a claimed VT, is the sort of batty thing a schadd Serial Killer would do, I guess? I'm still unclear whether I have to presume schadd is the SK. It's because E says schadd can't be SK? But isn't E scum?
The things that have happened at night--mcmc dying, shots being blocked, gkrieg living--are not things that happen when Robz is scum, is the best thing I can say in my defense.
Eevee is right that I have avoided conflict, but I also avoided conflict in my last several town games.
Well I prefer a massclaim to lynching me.
I think you'll find "Robz being on all the wagons" is far more indicative of town Robz than scum Robz.
I want to keep in mind TWM's scumread was on faust, but it's almost pointless to speculate about who's scum until we massclaim. Although I see why it's possible to speculate about me. But nope, I'm just what I said I was.
Could you do this for me? Could you see if from your last scum game and your last town game if you were on more mislynches per Day as town or as scum?
I know this explanation is grating, but it's the truth: as scum, I would never be in a position where I look so scummy.you usually aren't if you don't expect scum to get killed. in M92 you were all set up to be in okay shape but then oops we lynched gkrieg. this game you were set up to look fine and be on a mislynch you could probably talk yourself out of but oops mcmc got shot and so that didn't work out.
And no, I did not know the immediate historical record would demonstrate this so obviously before I took a look.i don't buy it.
Damn, wagon analysis reveals Robz to be early on all mislynches and absent on the correct lynch. Too scummy to be scum...you didn't reply to this one but you replied to me replying to it.
I know this explanation is grating, but it's the truth: as scum, I would never be in a position where I look so scummy.you usually aren't if you don't expect scum to get killed. in M92 you were all set up to be in okay shape but then oops we lynched gkrieg. this game you were set up to look fine and be on a mislynch you could probably talk yourself out of but oops mcmc got shot and so that didn't work out.
And no, I did not know the immediate historical record would demonstrate this so obviously before I took a look.i don't buy it.
you did survive d2 this game by gunning for the one person in worse shape than you, yes (having learned from m92 that gunning for someone in better shape than you tends to not work). it's not like you went without being scumread, though, and here we are in day 3, wherein gkrieg (among others) is scumreading you, and he has an annoying tendency to be right.I know this explanation is grating, but it's the truth: as scum, I would never be in a position where I look so scummy.you usually aren't if you don't expect scum to get killed. in M92 you were all set up to be in okay shape but then oops we lynched gkrieg. this game you were set up to look fine and be on a mislynch you could probably talk yourself out of but oops mcmc got shot and so that didn't work out.
That was so, so, so, so, so different, though. And it's obvious it was different, because it that situation I was truly screwed and was actually lynched on Day 2 because of how screwed I was. In this game, I survived Day 2 no problem.
i believe you that you didn't foresee gkrieg asking you to splay your town voting histories d3 of this game. but you're suggesting that you, as scum, would be unable of forming the game plan of "okay i'm just gonna vote towns and not bus and then point to my recent poor town performances and confuse people with my eloquence"And no, I did not know the immediate historical record would demonstrate this so obviously before I took a look.i don't buy it.
It's absolutely true, I had no idea. I didn't even remember these games that well, since I was a VT and absent for stretches of them. I mean, I had no idea, clearly, that gkrieg was going to put me through that exercise.
I honestly think schadd is town here.hm.
I honestly think schadd is town here.
I also think faust is the scum in e/faust.
Which means Eevee/faust/Robz are the scum. And the traitor knew the mafia. Looking at those in a little bit.
you did survive d2 this game by gunning for the one person in worse shape than you, yes (having learned from m92 that gunning for someone in better shape than you tends to not work). it's not like you went without being scumread, though, and here we are in day 3, wherein gkrieg (among others) is scumreading you, and he has an annoying tendency to be right.I know this explanation is grating, but it's the truth: as scum, I would never be in a position where I look so scummy.you usually aren't if you don't expect scum to get killed. in M92 you were all set up to be in okay shape but then oops we lynched gkrieg. this game you were set up to look fine and be on a mislynch you could probably talk yourself out of but oops mcmc got shot and so that didn't work out.
That was so, so, so, so, so different, though. And it's obvious it was different, because it that situation I was truly screwed and was actually lynched on Day 2 because of how screwed I was. In this game, I survived Day 2 no problem.
I honestly think schadd is town here.
I also think faust is the scum in e/faust.
Which means Eevee/faust/Robz are the scum. And the traitor knew the mafia. Looking at those in a little bit.
Will you at least acknowledge that I completed your task? In a manner that screams "Robz is town!!!!'
Impressive stats, but being cognizant of his own current meta and being able to manipulate it has always been scumRobz's#1 strength. But I guess it colors my analysis a little I know him to be scum.How do you know him to be scum?
Now you're buddying an IC. Gkrieg is a great player but he gets things wrong, too. In Mafia 97, he was no more right about anything than I was, and I was wrong about most things.he was right about andrew for a longer time
- he was very hesitant about hammering (i.e. worried to become a focus of attention)i mean i hammered though. and hammering quickly has never reaped benefits in my experience, i figured we could at least give people stuff to not talk about
- he thought TWM would be mafia rather than the SK during D2, but after the hammer, only questions him on if he was SK. It's like he abandoned the former narrative because he was worried it'd make him look SK-y (which it does)i thought he was sk because he seemed confident i was town for a while but then pivoted back on it for a reason that i thought was silly, in context at least. maf/traitor doesn't do that, i don't think twm is a wifom guy.
you think i wouldn't remember the "talking about the thing makes people think you are the thing" credo of m92?
So if I played like town, I'm the Serial Killer. If I played like scum, I'm mafia. It would be nice to see the ICs even consider other explanations.that has been my heuristic, yes
i'm pretty sure that i'm super not actually. i mean i think my rock paper scissors winrate is like 55%you think i wouldn't remember the "talking about the thing makes people think you are the thing" credo of m92?
Maybe. You're a WIFOM guy after all.
I'm not completely sure what this fact means. I would think an above 50 % winrate would indeed indicate that you're a WIFOM guy? Or not? I RPS a game where bad WIFOMers are good for some reason? So many questions that are not really related to this game...So if I played like town, I'm the Serial Killer. If I played like scum, I'm mafia. It would be nice to see the ICs even consider other explanations.that has been my heuristic, yesi'm pretty sure that i'm super not actually. i mean i think my rock paper scissors winrate is like 55%you think i wouldn't remember the "talking about the thing makes people think you are the thing" credo of m92?
Maybe. You're a WIFOM guy after all.
So if I played like town, I'm the Serial Killer. If I played like scum, I'm mafia. It would be nice to see the ICs even consider other explanations.
if she didn't the setup is confirmed. but we ought to wait for our fausts and our gkriegs to have a go
i uh don't plan to play a game with a serial killer in the near future
hi friends.
HI. Why are Robz and eevee scum, with you actually being the vt
-i'm the only one of us that concretely pushed mcmc and defended awaclus
-robz was on kkrieg. i didn't defend her really but i told her she didn't have to claim
-the two of them teamed up on me toward eod2 and sort of coerced me into the twm lynch (though i did want to lynch him either way).
uh
eevee makes more sense to me as sk by day stuff. last game eevee was town, i was null on him and a bunch of other people scumread him; last time he was scum, i scumread him and the majority townread him. this game he seemed super town to me by tone and had no defenders. i would think his sk game looks more like his town game in that sense, but that's not a given, and the fact that sk & traitor exist could have changed the way he thought of the game if scum (hence why i don't like sk stuff)
robz was an intuitive mcmc partner to me at the start of d2.
that eevee claimed vt rather than ccing gkrieg is worth noting.
everybody make sure not to say anything about an n3 kill target
prodge ish. it's mostly up to gkrieg and kkrieg to decide now.
something to consider: whomst does the traitor block if not gkrieg? (prob faust, if faust isn't scum)
weird is towny.
robz is towny
mcmc scummy
got to give town points for faust for leading
why is andrew brought up so often as a viable lynch without accompanying vote movement?
Oh, we are back on!I remember being surprised kkrieg could come up with that many that good reasons for the switch (and wondering why hadn't she said those things before being asked - kind of felt like she made the vote, and then only thought of the reasons after being pressed for it).Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go! Any takers? Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions
he reacted pretty quickly to my initial kinda random vote at him
he hasn't been particularly helpful
he jumped on the mcmc train
honestly my reasons are weak but heyy it is day 1
Just phone access now, but mcmc being the almost-lynch of yesterday should be helpful in determining the second mafia at least. Like, probably not e based on his voting, so my suspicion on yesterday was wrong on that at least (again, probably).
I think someone who was suspected by mcmc is far far more likely to shoot him.
I don't feel great about lynching Robz (eh, same read than mcmc last night, I don't have a reason to be against this lynch but I've seen no reason to suspect him other than "He is Robz and he is still alive") or faust (although he has been more and more aggressive as the leader (and main scumhunter!), which I guess is reading scummier to me because it could be a disguise for pushing towny lynches). Still would like TWM, but I don't know if that's happening anymore.
What about schadd? The post e quoted made me realize my earlier exchanges with him. I could vote for schadd.
That's a decent night for us.. I guess. Sooooo much variance in the game right now.
Wasn't Andrew pushing for faust really hard yesterday?
I think E is more likely town than faust, but I'd have to go back to provide a reason. I admit to being a little ambivalent about this, since we should lynch either schadd or Eevee with 100% guarantee to hit scum, and then it might actually become obvious who is scum between E and faust.
Vote count 1.1
Robz888 (1): schadd
AndrewisFTTW (2): gkrieg13, Awaclus
Awaclus (2): faust, The_Wine_Merchant
faust (1): AndrewisFTTW
Not voting (5): Robz888, Eevee, 2,71828....., mcmcsalot, kkrieg
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, 24th of April at 5 am FT.
Vote Count 1.2
Robz888 (1): schadd
AndrewisFTTW (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (2): faust, The_Wine_Merchant
faust (2): AndrewisFTTW, gkrieg13
Eevee (1): 2,71828.....
Not voting (4): Robz888, Eevee, mcmcsalot, kkrieg
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, 24th of April at 5 am FT.
Vote Count 1.3
Robz888 (1): schadd
AndrewisFTTW (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (2): The_Wine_Merchant, kkrieg
faust (1): AndrewisFTTW
Eevee (1): 2,71828.....
The_Wine_Merchant (1): mcmcsalot
2,71828..... (3): faust, Eevee, Robz888
Not voting (1): gkrieg13
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, 24th of April at 5 am FT.
Vote Count 1.4
Robz888 (2): schadd, faust
AndrewisFTTW (2): Awaclus, Robz888
Awaclus (2): The_Wine_Merchant, kkrieg
The_Wine_Merchant (1): mcmcsalot
2,71828..... (2): Eevee, gkrieg13
kkrieg (1): 2,71828.....
Not voting (1): AndrewisFTTW
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, 24th of April at 5 am FT.
Vote Count 1.HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MCMCSALOT!
Robz888 (3): schadd, faust, AndrewisFTTW
AndrewisFTTW (2): Awaclus, Robz888
Awaclus (1): kkrieg
The_Wine_Merchant (1): mcmcsalot
2,71828..... (1): Eevee
kkrieg (1): 2,71828.....
mcmcsalot (2): gkrieg13, The_Wine_Merchant
Not voting (0):
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, 24th of April at 5 am FT. This is in 24 hours.
Vote Count 1.6
Awaclus (5): kkrieg, AndrewisFTTW, mcmcsalot, The_Wine_Merchant, Robz888
2,71828..... (2): Eevee, faust
mcmcsalot (3): schadd, gkrieg13, Awaclus
faust (1): 2,71828.....
Not voting (0):
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, 24th of April at 5 am FT. This is in 4 hours.
Vote Count 1.final
Awaclus (6): kkrieg, AndrewisFTTW, mcmcsalot, The_Wine_Merchant, Robz888, 2,71828.....
2,71828..... (2): Eevee, faust
mcmcsalot (3): schadd, gkrieg13, Awaclus
Not voting (0):
With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch. Thread Locked.
Vote count 2.1
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, schadd, Robz888
faust (1): The_Wine_Merchant
kkrieg (1): gkrieg13
Not voting (4): Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, 2,71828....., kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT.
Vote count 2.2
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, schadd, Robz888
faust (2): The_Wine_Merchant, 2,71828.....
kkrieg (1): gkrieg13
Not voting (3): Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT.
Vote count 2.3
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, schadd, Robz888
faust (1): AndrewisFTTW
kkrieg (3): gkrieg13, The_Wine_Merchant, 2,71828.....
Not voting (2): Eevee, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT.
Vote count 2.4
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, Robz888, Eevee
faust (1): AndrewisFTTW
kkrieg (3): gkrieg13, 2,71828....., The_Wine_Merchant
Not voting (2): kkrieg, schadd
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT. If the forum continues to be so slow, i will prolong the deadline.
Vote count 2.5
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, Eevee, kkrieg
faust (2): AndrewisFTTW, The_Wine_Merchant
kkrieg (2): gkrieg13, 2,71828.....
schadd (1): Robz888
Not voting (1): schadd
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT.
Vote count 2.6
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, Eevee, kkrieg
faust (1): AndrewisFTTW
kkrieg (1): The_Wine_Merchant
Robz888 (1): gkrieg13
Not voting (3): schadd, 2,71828....., Robz888
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT. This is in 24ish hours
Vote count 2.7
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, Eevee, kkrieg
faust (2): AndrewisFTTW, The_Wine_Merchant
Robz888 (1): gkrieg13
Eevee (2): 2,71828....., Robz888
Not voting (1): schadd
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT. This is in 15 hours
Vote count 2.8
The_Wine_Merchant (4): faust, Eevee, kkrieg, Robz888
faust (2): AndrewisFTTW, The_Wine_Merchant
Robz888 (1): gkrieg13
Eevee (1): 2,71828.....
Not voting (1): schadd
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT. This is in 13 hours
Vote count 2.finalThe_Wine_Merchant (5): faust, Eevee, kkrieg, Robz888, schadd
faust (2): AndrewisFTTW, The_Wine_Merchant
Robz888 (1): gkrieg13
Eevee (1): 2,71828.....
Not voting (0):
With 9 alive it took 5 to lynch. Thread Locked
I'll reread faust and e tomorrow for completeness. Interesting that faust, Robz, Eevee, and schadd were all on the TWM wagon together.
I'll reread faust and e tomorrow for completeness. Interesting that faust, Robz, Eevee, and schadd were all on the TWM wagon together.
I think this is scummy for e. Except it is possible that the goon didn't know the traitor or the SK.
I'll reread faust and e tomorrow for completeness. Interesting that faust, Robz, Eevee, and schadd were all on the TWM wagon together.
I think this is scummy for e. Except it is possible that the goon didn't know the traitor or the SK.
How? Because I staunchly defended town!TWM the entirety of D2? Because I was trying to build an alternative wagon on Eevee, my alleged partner?
Anyway thanks for posting those. I find the TWM wagon very revealing, especially on Eevee. Robz and schadd jumping in at the end of the day is also interesting, because really it is between the two of them in my mind as to who I think the final scum is.
This setup is super confusing to meVote: Faust
e and faust both say I'm scum, but e does it with wayy more certainty, which strikes to me more as a scum position. Like, I find it hard to believe town could be so sure as he is projecting to be - especially because looking at Robz and schadd, I don't think their optics are that much townier than mine.
So I would guess that e and schadd are mafia, Robz the SK, but I wouldn't be surprised if I had Robz and schadd inverted, or if faust was scum, not e. I was actually suspecting faust earlier for similar reasons - pushing for his cases so hard it seemed inconceivable he could be that sure of his reads as town.
At least any other explanation is highly unlikely.e and faust both say I'm scum, but e does it with wayy more certainty, which strikes to me more as a scum position. Like, I find it hard to believe town could be so sure as he is projecting to be - especially because looking at Robz and schadd, I don't think their optics are that much townier than mine.
So I would guess that e and schadd are mafia, Robz the SK, but I wouldn't be surprised if I had Robz and schadd inverted, or if faust was scum, not e. I was actually suspecting faust earlier for similar reasons - pushing for his cases so hard it seemed inconceivable he could be that sure of his reads as town.
Uh Faust is pretty certain with his result on you...
I want to reread Robz, but it's hard to find the time to do so.
I'm also worried about tomorrow. It seems like a number of people are inclined to trust e over me. Addressing this now is likely distracting us from what we really need to do, but you know - just don't let this feeling sink in. I'm confident that I can show e to be scum once I devote the appropriate amount of time, but I need you guys to not be biased.
But if he is scum, the results are fake as well. It's not much of an argument if it requires believing him to be town. It wouldn't be hard for scum to fake results that fit my actual night actions, there hasn't been any.e and faust both say I'm scum, but e does it with wayy more certainty, which strikes to me more as a scum position. Like, I find it hard to believe town could be so sure as he is projecting to be - especially because looking at Robz and schadd, I don't think their optics are that much townier than mine.
So I would guess that e and schadd are mafia, Robz the SK, but I wouldn't be surprised if I had Robz and schadd inverted, or if faust was scum, not e. I was actually suspecting faust earlier for similar reasons - pushing for his cases so hard it seemed inconceivable he could be that sure of his reads as town.
Uh Faust is pretty certain with his result on you...
I think E is more likely town than faust, but I'd have to go back to provide a reason. I admit to being a little ambivalent about this, since we should lynch either schadd or Eevee with 100% guarantee to hit scum, and then it might actually become obvious who is scum between E and faust.
Especially if we lynch eevee.
Also, does Robz usually bus or not bus?
And also, there are different kinds of bussing Late-game bussing in order to get semi-IC status on the ultimate day? Sure. Early bussing? No, early bussers lose.
(I realize this does not help my case that I am not mcmc's partner, but it's the truth.)
And also, there are different kinds of bussing Late-game bussing in order to get semi-IC status on the ultimate day? Sure. Early bussing? No, early bussers lose.
(I realize this does not help my case that I am not mcmc's partner, but it's the truth.)
That is what I remember from you, and I highly doubt faust would let you bus him.
And also, there are different kinds of bussing Late-game bussing in order to get semi-IC status on the ultimate day? Sure. Early bussing? No, early bussers lose.
(I realize this does not help my case that I am not mcmc's partner, but it's the truth.)
That is what I remember from you, and I highly doubt faust would let you bus him.
Well okay, but I am town, and I have zero reason to vote for faust, since there's a 100% chance we lynch scum if I vote for Eevee or schadd.
And also, there are different kinds of bussing Late-game bussing in order to get semi-IC status on the ultimate day? Sure. Early bussing? No, early bussers lose.
(I realize this does not help my case that I am not mcmc's partner, but it's the truth.)
That is what I remember from you, and I highly doubt faust would let you bus him.
Well okay, but I am town, and I have zero reason to vote for faust, since there's a 100% chance we lynch scum if I vote for Eevee or schadd.
I mean earlier in the game. You defend faust a lot in the early game.
And also, there are different kinds of bussing Late-game bussing in order to get semi-IC status on the ultimate day? Sure. Early bussing? No, early bussers lose.
(I realize this does not help my case that I am not mcmc's partner, but it's the truth.)
That is what I remember from you, and I highly doubt faust would let you bus him.
Well okay, but I am town, and I have zero reason to vote for faust, since there's a 100% chance we lynch scum if I vote for Eevee or schadd.
I mean earlier in the game. You defend faust a lot in the early game.
Oh. Well that's true. I would like to think I would have put more energy into it as scum. But sure.
I think E is more likely town than faust, but I'd have to go back to provide a reason. I admit to being a little ambivalent about this, since we should lynch either schadd or Eevee with 100% guarantee to hit scum, and then it might actually become obvious who is scum between E and faust.
Especially if we lynch eevee.
I'm slightly confused why you are so certain that Eevee is the SK.
I'm not sure spelling all that out was the best idea, there's a risk of coaching SK and mafia on how they should navigate a night where both factions are still alive.
This actually makes me feel a lot worse about E! Because it's exactly the kind of thing scum wants to put out there.
Me too!I think E is more likely town than faust, but I'd have to go back to provide a reason. I admit to being a little ambivalent about this, since we should lynch either schadd or Eevee with 100% guarantee to hit scum, and then it might actually become obvious who is scum between E and faust.
Especially if we lynch eevee.
I'm slightly confused why you are so certain that Eevee is the SK.
Also, does Robz usually bus or not bus?Robz is perfectly capable of bussing, but that doesn't mean he busses always, naturally. I think you could find examples of both epic busses from him, and going down defending the partner from him.
I would never shoot a claimed VT if I was the SK.
Actually, I don't see Robz doing it either tbh.. maybe the SK is schadd after all?
Maybe we just lynch schadd?
That is actually a pretty convincing argument to me, now that I mirror it to my own thinking. Only reason I could think you'd kill a claimed VT mcmc would be to confuse town in a situation like this, and that's pretty far-fetched even for you.
I think you are confident in your abilities outsmarting him, being the older brother and all. And there is more of a precedent of him townreading you too much than anything else too.
I could convince myself to vote for schadd or Robz based on my analysis above.Obivously what we need to happen.
In different formatting, these are the situations that I see:
Lynch the SK:
1) Town controls their own destiny. We are at lylo at that point, mafia will shoot one of the ICs, and we just need two good lynches.
Lynch mafia (traitor or goon):The "potential" situation is the most likely outcome. Of course we should not make either king, instead no lynch and hope we can scae one scum into shooting the other.
1) There is a potential kingmaking situation that could occur between mafia/SK. I know which faction I would support, but I will not state that unless I am put in that situation tomorrow.
Lynch town2 and 3 are hypothetical scenarios that will never happen unless a scum fucks up big time.
1) See option (1) under lynch mafia
2) 2 mafia survive the night and mafia win
3) Some sort of mylo/lylo situation where town controls their own destiny.
I know I'm negotiating with scum, but oddly we can still find ourselves on the same side.Maybe we just lynch schadd?
That is actually a pretty convincing argument to me, now that I mirror it to my own thinking. Only reason I could think you'd kill a claimed VT mcmc would be to confuse town in a situation like this, and that's pretty far-fetched even for you.
I think you are confident in your abilities outsmarting him, being the older brother and all. And there is more of a precedent of him townreading you too much than anything else too.
Right, it's certainly not a thing I would do on Night 1... I can generally always count on convincing mcmc I'm town for the duration of Day 2 at least. And he was a claimed VT.
What holds me back from voting schadd over you is gkrieg's result.
And you're scum anyway!
schadd, who are you planning on voting for? Robz or Eevee?eevee
Eevee is more likely SK than schadd.i eegree
I would never shoot a claimed VT if I was the SK.mcmc kind of scumclaimed, i wouldn't shoot claimed scum.
Actually, I don't see Robz doing it either tbh.. maybe the SK is schadd after all?
Schadd, if you had investigation immunity one night this game, and were trying to be the last person standing, which night would you have used it on?again, no way to know, really. in a game with you, robz and faust, and where i had pushed against the d1 mislynch i don't think i would have reason to expect to be copped. i was a bit surprised you investigated me, sorta shows in that i asked you why.
and my axe!
Someone didn't say L 1
he's a roleblocker. he will probably want to block you and kill kkrieg. did you use strongman?
like, you're fucked and there's no reason not to at least try something. you can strongman kill faust tonight if you can to give a non-faust faction a chance of winning. i mean we can just lynch him but town doesn't want that
i think what ends up happening is both of us have to claim whether we used strongman so you have incentive to tell me without losing in the me-you-kkrieg lylo (if faust decides to no-kill
no lynch just forces faust to kingmake. you are kind of forced into shooting him, assuming you're not preferring the charade to actually telling me whether it's going to work. you shoot faust because any other target loses you the game. faust chooses between sk win, town win, or proper lylo where i trounce you. kapeesh?
dude i told you already. faust inherited the roleblock
- When the Traitor dies, if at least one Mafia Goon is still alive one will be chosen at random to inherit the Roleblocking role. This Goon will be transformed from a Goon to a Mafia Roleblocker.you were like literally scum last game in this setup and we lynched traitor d1 like holy shit
- When the Traitor dies, if at least one Mafia Goon is still alive one will be chosen at random to inherit the Roleblocking role. This Goon will be transformed from a Goon to a Mafia Roleblocker.you were like literally scum last game in this setup and we lynched traitor d1 like holy shit
incidentally, counter-argument to the argument that none of you would pose: in theory i should be pretending to be sk so faust doesn't know who to block, but see again: m92, faust is good at reading robz (and moderately good at reading me but m94 is a bit counter to that)
so i preferred making sure robz has clear instruction as to what he has to do because apparently reading setups is out of vogue again
i would like faust to tell us whomst he plans to lynch. how about we wait until he is proddable?Just because I'm not coming to this thread in the middle of the night you assume I'm gonna disappear on you? Your lack of faith is disturbing.
incidentally, counter-argument to the argument that none of you would pose: in theory i should be pretending to be sk so faust doesn't know who to block, but see again: m92, faust is good at reading robz (and moderately good at reading me but m94 is a bit counter to that)Your heuristic of determining whether I am good at reading someone seems questionable.
As far as telling you stuff: I think I'm going to kill myself tonight. After all, I have no friends left in this world.I just now noticed that I could have done this yesterday. Sorry, kill victim. I was just too outraged by you lynching my final friend, who I wasn't even sure was my friend until he dropped dead. That is life's irony for you.
This is an excellent piece of analysis. You should frame it and hang it on your wall. Alternatively, it makes a good gravestone engraving.prodge ish. it's mostly up to gkrieg and kkrieg to decide now.
something to consider: whomst does the traitor block if not gkrieg? (prob faust, if faust isn't scum)
Sorry, kkriegs birthday was yesterday, so I'll get to this today or tomorrow.
How about now? I honestly don't think the town can lose here, unless it lynches town (and even then we might be okay). Both Eevee and schadd are definitely not town; Eevee is more likely to be SK. We should lynch Eevee.
do you plan to no kill? uh, do you plan to tell us whether you plan to no kill?I told you, I'm going to kill myself.
it's always the dumbest things that are the most accurateBleh. It is bedtime and we need a lynch
Vote: mcmcNevermindlol lol lol lol townie
Vote: Awaclus
Win Conditions:I don't know if the bolded text above is true for every game with a SK and mafia, but I think that makes this end game very interesting...
- Serial Killer wins when all other players have been eliminated. If a scenario exists where a Serial Killer and a Mafia the following will be followed:
* If the Traitor is the last mafia alive, Mafia will win.
* If either original mafia are the last mafia alive, the SK will win.
Win Conditions:I don't know if the bolded text above is true for every game with a SK and mafia, but I think that makes this end game very interesting...
- Serial Killer wins when all other players have been eliminated. If a scenario exists where a Serial Killer and a Mafia the following will be followed:
* If the Traitor is the last mafia alive, Mafia will win.
* If either original mafia are the last mafia alive, the SK will win.
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Oh! That changes everything...
i would vote it here as well but i'm kind of worried faust qh's it but like he doesn't have a motive to do that i thinkWhy would I quickhammer? I'm like the only person who actually has stuff to figure out before D5 begins.
Want to lynch: TWM, kkrieg
Could lynch: 2.7, schadd, Andrew
Not inclined to lynch: gkrieg
Won't lynch (not today): Eevee, faust
Robz, why are you so agitated by the way? You don't actually need kkrieg to vote no lynch. As long as you're not voting for anyone and no scum votes for themselves, there's not a whole lot that could go wrong.
Yeah; I'm just saying it doesn't matter if she makes a mistake.Robz, why are you so agitated by the way? You don't actually need kkrieg to vote no lynch. As long as you're not voting for anyone and no scum votes for themselves, there's not a whole lot that could go wrong.
I'm not agitated, I was just worried that kkrieg might make a mistake, because it's a very complicated situation, and she's a relative newbie, and there's no one alive she knows she can trust.
Yeah; I'm just saying it doesn't matter if she makes a mistake.Robz, why are you so agitated by the way? You don't actually need kkrieg to vote no lynch. As long as you're not voting for anyone and no scum votes for themselves, there's not a whole lot that could go wrong.
I'm not agitated, I was just worried that kkrieg might make a mistake, because it's a very complicated situation, and she's a relative newbie, and there's no one alive she knows she can trust.
That was a very realistic and dangerous scenario...Yeah; I'm just saying it doesn't matter if she makes a mistake.Robz, why are you so agitated by the way? You don't actually need kkrieg to vote no lynch. As long as you're not voting for anyone and no scum votes for themselves, there's not a whole lot that could go wrong.
I'm not agitated, I was just worried that kkrieg might make a mistake, because it's a very complicated situation, and she's a relative newbie, and there's no one alive she knows she can trust.
If she had voted faust, and schadd had voted faust, and you had voted yourself just for spite, it would have mattered!
oh incidentally, killing faust right away wasn't the right play for SK. he should have waited (at least) one night so faust thinks he doesn't have strongman, so faust kills kkrieg n5 to pursue his wincon and so sk kills faust n5 as well, endgaming me
in the words of robz in m90, this basically ICs me
yeah town is supposed to spend all their time trying to figure out what town would be doing
it's kind of a scumslip that you think faust shot sk (ie me from your point of view). if he thought i was sk, he would have roleblocked me, which means i would have had to strongman, bulletproof to survive, and investigation immune n1, whereas there's only two joat shots. so you're either not bothering to think about the setup or you're not thinking of me as sk
faust kills kkrieg and not you because he only wins if your kill doesn't go through, and so if he kills you then he loses (3 way where he is confscum)
Or he for some reason hedged his bets, shooting you but blocking me.if he shoots sk that isn't bulletproof he loses. if he doesn't roleblock sk he is more than likely shot (if he thought it was me, it would have seemed like i planned to shoot that night; you apparently aren't aware of any plan involving no-kill the first night)
Or he for some reason hedged his bets, shooting you but blocking me.if he shoots sk that isn't bulletproof he loses. if he doesn't roleblock sk he is more than likely shot (if he thought it was me, it would have seemed like i planned to shoot that night; you apparently aren't aware of any plan involving no-kill the first night)
- If the Traitor will inherit the NK and become a Mafia Roleblocker if is the only Mafia player alive.
if sk doesn't have strongman left, then faust (can) win. roleblock sk every night, killing kkrieg then killing sk.
right. but like i said i would have voted you, you also townread faust for a lot of the game iirc and might have similarly felt he deserves the win. and no lynch is still the best move for town since it gives us nonzero chance of winning.if sk doesn't have strongman left, then faust (can) win. roleblock sk every night, killing kkrieg then killing sk.
There will be a day phase, though, with faust, SK, and VT all still alive. They would have to do nothing on this day for faust to win. VT could vote with SK to spite kill faust. That's probably what I would do, since it would seem like a no-win position for the town.
right. but like i said i would have voted you, you also townread faust for a lot of the game iirc and might have similarly felt he deserves the win. and no lynch is still the best move for town since it gives us nonzero chance of winning.if sk doesn't have strongman left, then faust (can) win. roleblock sk every night, killing kkrieg then killing sk.
There will be a day phase, though, with faust, SK, and VT all still alive. They would have to do nothing on this day for faust to win. VT could vote with SK to spite kill faust. That's probably what I would do, since it would seem like a no-win position for the town.
i'm saying that it holds no matter who is the town. i said what i would do first because i'm the one that is town
on that note, kkrieg, i haven't bothered with any dumb emotional argument because you're good at this game and i'm pretty confident that you'll do fine with the evidence given to you
kkrieg, does my reasoning as to why sk should have no-killed last night make sense?
you mean n3? i would assume gkrieg
The nights are starting to run together in my head, since I've had nothing to do during any of them.i mean like i was thinking about things, at least. again you're making the assumption that i as town should have just twiddled my thumbs for 48 hours while i had an entire qt to speculate into
thinking of how jk/goon/sk/vt plays outthis is probably just sk win, actually, assuming strongman is unused. we lynch faust because if we try to lynch sk then faust definitely wins, but then sk wins anyway bc strongman. so killing kkrieg would have probably been better than killing e, excepting the fact that sk just powerloses if faust kills kkrieg as well (and faust doesn't espeially care if gkrieg survives since he probably investigates me (since it gives a definite answer after the first inno), like you said)
And like I said, the case against me is better supported by hard evidence (night actions vs. the "soft" evidence I have, namely that I would never ever ever shoot my brother mcmc Night 1 as scum, he's too easy for me to manipulate)idk it really bothers me that you brought this up? it seems super scummy?
And like I said, the case against me is better supported by hard evidence (night actions vs. the "soft" evidence I have, namely that I would never ever ever shoot my brother mcmc Night 1 as scum, he's too easy for me to manipulate)idk it really bothers me that you brought this up? it seems super scummy?
I started looking into the night 1 kill and there's some weird stuff going on.
I investigated schadd N1, and faust N2, and got didn't kill for both of them.
I want to hear your explanation but not until Robz explains.
Schadd, if you had investigation immunity one night this game, and were trying to be the last person standing, which night would you have used it on?my goal would be to survive for, in this game, 5 days if i were sk. gkrieg was able to investigate twice, within reason he could have done a third one as well. i would want to use investigation immunity the night i would most likely be investigated, if at all.
-in theory, you would actually want to cop someone whom you think has a 50% chance of being scum, maximizing how informative the result is; if there happens to be someone you are absolutely sure is scum for whatever reason, copping them doesn't actually tell you much. in this case you are, uh, allowed to fake a guilty result but most people would say this is ill-advised.so. in an objective sense, come night 1, i think i would have seemed a little less than 50% scum for most people: i defended against the lynch of a townie, and pushed the lynch of a scum (granted, someone who wasn't revealed to be scum during n1, but somebody who would have probably looked bad to most people given how the end of the day turned out). difficult to read, you could maybe make the argument but i would hold that i am at least less intimidating than many of the people here: twm, same as i mentioned in NM10 (2 recent scum mvps, also he just looked weird from the end of the day); robz, also at least 2 scum mvps that i can remember since his return, and strong scum play in general; faust, 2015 scum player of the year (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14437.0); gkrieg, runner up for 2016 scum player of the year (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16774.0); eevee and andrew have both done pretty well as scum recently (i personally lauded both of them for such in m96, andrew was also mvp in m97)
-it is also helpful to cop someone whom you think is difficult to read - in this game, i would think this is TWM (he has had quite good results as scum, twice) and some people may also think this is me, space or awaclus.
and that was kind of surprising considering he correctly townread me early on in M94, the last game we played together, at a point where that wasn't an especially popular opinion (i did end up getting lynched d1, granted with 6 people defending me but gkrieg was very early on that train). his choice may have been colored by the fact that i had been scumreading him rather ardently for reasons i refused to say at the time (l0l)why investigate me n1? you don't have to answer
Maybe after. You seemed like a good person to investigate. Hard to read, and people had opinions about you.
I just feel like too many weird things would have had to happen for schadd to be SK
I'm going to reread one more time when I get home from work but I'm 99% voting Robz.
99% voting Robz.(https://media.tenor.co/images/3ef34f6cc6f98e888f8fd69245ee3e44/tenor.gif)
So, if anyone is curious, it's absolutely true I would not ever kill mcmc, generally. What made me do it is that he had claimed VT, and since he had claimed VT, I thought it was unlikely the mafia would shoot him. My goal, as SK, was to just not duplicate the mafia's kill. That's the sole reason I shot him--I thought there was no way the mafia would also shoot him. In any other circumstance, I would not shoot mcmc.Yeah. That is a good point. Well done by the way.
I can't believe no one thought of that, by the way.
let's discuss on MVPMy three nominations would be gkrieg, kkrieg and 2.7.
This was one of my favorite games to play. I thought Faust had an amazing game, every time I tried to prove him scum I couldn't find any concrete evidence.Which goes to show that sometimes pseudoscience, gut reads are better than pure reliance on concrete methods.
My favorite part of this game was that on D3 when we were deciding who to lynch, whether i was actually the jk or scum.... any faction had a shot at winning. Not too often do we have a game with that scenario. I loved it
My favorite part of this game was that on D3 when we were deciding who to lynch, whether i was actually the jk or scum.... any faction had a shot at winning. Not too often do we have a game with that scenario. I loved it
Ehh.... easy for you to say. I actually think town had like an 80% chance of winning at that point, I had like maybe an 18% chance of winning, and mafia had a 2% chance of winning.
Sad I was killed so early. :(
Sad I was killed so early. :(
Makes sense now that Robz explained his killing strategy.
Sad I was killed so early. :(
Makes sense now that Robz explained his killing strategy.
Yup! A strategy that went horribly wrong here...
Sad I was killed so early. :(
Makes sense now that Robz explained his killing strategy.
Yup! A strategy that went horribly wrong here...
I'm confused about your strategy. You were trying to shoot someone mafia was unlikely to shoot, but that implies you were gunning for town. So you had townreads on mcmc and me?
Yeah, 2.7's stellar blocking probably carried the day.
By the way, I think that was my first time being a Serial Killer in a game of mafia.
Also, schadd is wrong. I had to kill gkrieg myself. Faust shot E.Of course I did. I knew the SK would need to prevent further investigations, and I needed to force 2 town deaths.
So, if anyone is curious, it's absolutely true I would not ever kill mcmc, generally. What made me do it is that he had claimed VT, and since he had claimed VT, I thought it was unlikely the mafia would shoot him. My goal, as SK, was to just not duplicate the mafia's kill. That's the sole reason I shot him--I thought there was no way the mafia would also shoot him. In any other circumstance, I would not shoot mcmc.Uh. Having a player die that you really want dead beats skipping the 10 % chance of hitting the same player that mafia does.
I can't believe no one thought of that, by the way.
I shot him. I thought schadd was SK, so I blocked schadd. I should have blocked Robz as well, which would have prevented the Strongman if he only had 1 shot left because BP takes precedence.Yeah, 2.7's stellar blocking probably carried the day.
By the way, I think that was my first time being a Serial Killer in a game of mafia.
So I think Faust shot you, but did you use strongman and bulletproof N4?
I also thought Eevee blocked e N2 (that he didn't still baffles me), and since I targeted schadd there, that would have made him the SK.I had a roleblocker? This is news to me.
Err... what?I also thought Eevee blocked e N2 (that he didn't still baffles me), and since I targeted schadd there, that would have made him the SK.I had a roleblocker? This is news to me.
I thought I only got it when I was converted! (And I thought I would get acccess to the QT if I was converted.)Err... what?I also thought Eevee blocked e N2 (that he didn't still baffles me), and since I targeted schadd there, that would have made him the SK.I had a roleblocker? This is news to me.
-.-
I was under the impression I would only become a roleblocker if I was converted to a full mafia member.
This is all I found in the first post: "If the Traitor will inherit the NK and become a Mafia Roleblocker if is the only Mafia player alive."
What am I missing?
Ehhh. Sorry team. (Blame me, not the mod.)
Yeah, 2.7's stellar blocking probably carried the day.
By the way, I think that was my first time being a Serial Killer in a game of mafia.
So I think Faust shot you, but did you use strongman and bulletproof N4?
Thinking about this game more, I think my big mistake was killing Andrew on Night 2, instead of gkrieg. I should have killed gkrieg. This would have prevented his Night 1 investigation of schadd from coming to light.
Do we get QTs LaLight?
Do we get QTs LaLight?
When I will be at the computer, est. 40 minutes. You may share yours :))
-thanks to faust for being a good sport and no-killing (which is what happened, yes?)o
so i was wondering why gkrieg got 2 results while you knew faust was your partnerI also thought Eevee blocked e N2 (that he didn't still baffles me), and since I targeted schadd there, that would have made him the SK.I had a roleblocker? This is news to me.
Setup seems a little favored toward town, no? Even if you just took away the 1-shot Commuter--whose true PR was "named townie" here, but man did it help--things would have shaken out quite differently. Maybe then it would be too tough for town, though.
Setup seems a little favored toward town, no? Even if you just took away the 1-shot Commuter--whose true PR was "named townie" here, but man did it help--things would have shaken out quite differently. Maybe then it would be too tough for town, though.i would think probably yes. goon/goon/traitor in 12p where scum can only improve their situation (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Stack_the_Deck) is even, and this setup is town-favored in comparison by virtue of having a bunch more stuff. that said, town winrate on this site is yikes
So I could have won had I read you correctly. Damn.Yeah, 2.7's stellar blocking probably carried the day.
By the way, I think that was my first time being a Serial Killer in a game of mafia.
So I think Faust shot you, but did you use strongman and bulletproof N4?
Yeah, I strong killed him, and I lost my investigative immunity so my bulletproof got used up as well.
Setup seems a little favored toward town, no? Even if you just took away the 1-shot Commuter--whose true PR was "named townie" here, but man did it help--things would have shaken out quite differently. Maybe then it would be too tough for town, though.Every setup where no PRs die until D3 is going to play out well for town.
Setup seems a little favored toward town, no? Even if you just took away the 1-shot Commuter--whose true PR was "named townie" here, but man did it help--things would have shaken out quite differently. Maybe then it would be too tough for town, though.
Ehhh. Sorry team. (Blame me, not the mod.)
Actually I was torn. In the every end of the night I was reading Eevee's QT to see if maybe I forget to tell him he's roleblocker. After that I was really deeply thinking about how should I tell him he's Roleblocker and I decided I won't. After that I've seen a lot of discussion in-thread about ho Traitor might roleblock and thought that may be Eevee will see it...
Overall, should I have said, like, No one was chosen for Roleblocking or something like that?
Well, that comparison only really works for games with no SK.Setup seems a little favored toward town, no? Even if you just took away the 1-shot Commuter--whose true PR was "named townie" here, but man did it help--things would have shaken out quite differently. Maybe then it would be too tough for town, though.i would think probably yes. goon/goon/traitor in 12p where scum can only improve their situation (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Stack_the_Deck) is even, and this setup is town-favored in comparison by virtue of having a bunch more stuff. that said, town winrate on this site is yikes
Setup seems a little favored toward town, no? Even if you just took away the 1-shot Commuter--whose true PR was "named townie" here, but man did it help--things would have shaken out quite differently. Maybe then it would be too tough for town, though.
My first MVP! Thanks. I had a great time with this gameYay!
Oh ya, I said I would discuss the resolution order after the game. I was curious how other people interpreted the action resolution chain.my belief has been that, from a balance-y perspective, jailing the person who does the kill is +1 point to town and blocking the jailer is +1 point to scum, so it evens out and the kill goes through. but i thought about it more and it's like, jailing roleblocker should be like +1 point for jailing the killer and plus like .5 points for jailing the roleblocker. so, uh, ideally the kill half goes through.
So I disagree that when a JK and a roleblocker target each other, the roleblocker is still able to kill. The OP states that "(roles listed earlier in parenthesis will be performed simultaneously)" . To me, that implies that the jailkeeping and the roleblocking both go through at the same time, which means that both people are blocked, which means the roleblocking mafia can't kill.
How do other people feel about this?
Oh ya, I said I would discuss the resolution order after the game. I was curious how other people interpreted the action resolution chain.I think there's no such thing in mafia as things happening simultaneously, that is an error in the OP and it should be clearly stated in which order they are resolved.
So I disagree that when a JK and a roleblocker target each other, the roleblocker is still able to kill. The OP states that "(roles listed earlier in parenthesis will be performed simultaneously)" . To me, that implies that the jailkeeping and the roleblocking both go through at the same time, which means that both people are blocked, which means the roleblocking mafia can't kill.
How do other people feel about this?
So to both of you, what do you think of the situation where both scum kill each other?
So to both of you, what do you think of the situation where both scum kill each other?
My personal resolution chain favors the JK. So it beats RB.
So to both of you, what do you think of the situation where both scum kill each other?
My personal resolution chain favors the JK. So it beats RB.
But wouldn't not having both of them be blocked, when transferred over to both having killing actions, result in only one of the kills going through, and the second kill failing because the killer was dead?
I think of the resolution in this case as follows: players don't actually die until all actions have been resolved. Prior to that, they are merely "flagged for death", so to speak. I try to make that clear when writing role PMs.So to both of you, what do you think of the situation where both scum kill each other?
My personal resolution chain favors the JK. So it beats RB.
But wouldn't not having both of them be blocked, when transferred over to both having killing actions, result in only one of the kills going through, and the second kill failing because the killer was dead?
So to both of you, what do you think of the situation where both scum kill each other?
My personal resolution chain favors the JK. So it beats RB.
But wouldn't not having both of them be blocked, when transferred over to both having killing actions, result in only one of the kills going through, and the second kill failing because the killer was dead?
RB is jailed, can't block or kill. If JK then tried to kill the RB, it would fail due how jailor protection.
Not sure I understand the question.
I think generally two scum can kill each other -- you have to think of it as simultaneously pulling the trigger: the bullets pass by each other and hit their intended targets.
If flavored kills are important (i.e., SK uses a knife), then you can stab and shoot at the same time, as I'm sure many action movies have shown us.
That's my take on that particular situation, anyway. I'd have them both die.
I am not sure where you are going with this, gkrieg. Obviously it is necessary to have a ruling beforehand, but ultimately it does not really matter what that ruling is as long as it is comunicated clearly and is balanced.
The blocking have specific effects on each other; that's the whole do X until nothing can change it routine from yuma's original resolution chain.
For me, killing each other doesn't affect each other in the same way -- dying happens last, after killing, so dying doesn't block an action from happening.
If it did, all kills would also be roleblocks.
The blocking have specific effects on each other; that's the whole do X until nothing can change it routine from yuma's original resolution chain.
For me, killing each other doesn't affect each other in the same way -- dying happens last, after killing, so dying doesn't block an action from happening.
If it did, all kills would also be roleblocks.
I guess I always interpreted it that way. Killing does roleblock, and that is why it is always late in the resolution chain. So to me, dead investigative PRs (investigation usually happens last) shouldn't get a result, but that doesn't usually matter, because they are dead.
I feel like at the core here is a misunderstanding of how night action resolution works. Night action resolution is not resolve 1 category of actions, then resolve the next and so on. Night action resolution is: Find some action that could not be modified by any other action that same night. Resolve it, then continue. Only in case of conflict do you actually need a resolution order.The blocking have specific effects on each other; that's the whole do X until nothing can change it routine from yuma's original resolution chain.
For me, killing each other doesn't affect each other in the same way -- dying happens last, after killing, so dying doesn't block an action from happening.
If it did, all kills would also be roleblocks.
I guess I always interpreted it that way. Killing does roleblock, and that is why it is always late in the resolution chain. So to me, dead investigative PRs (investigation usually happens last) shouldn't get a result, but that doesn't usually matter, because they are dead.
I feel like at the core here is a misunderstanding of how night action resolution works. Night action resolution is not resolve 1 category of actions, then resolve the next and so on. Night action resolution is: Find some action that could not be modified by any other action that same night. Resolve it, then continue. Only in case of conflict do you actually need a resolution order.The blocking have specific effects on each other; that's the whole do X until nothing can change it routine from yuma's original resolution chain.
For me, killing each other doesn't affect each other in the same way -- dying happens last, after killing, so dying doesn't block an action from happening.
If it did, all kills would also be roleblocks.
I guess I always interpreted it that way. Killing does roleblock, and that is why it is always late in the resolution chain. So to me, dead investigative PRs (investigation usually happens last) shouldn't get a result, but that doesn't usually matter, because they are dead.
For an example: Bus Driving usually happens prior to roleblocking in the order. Assume player A blocks B, and B Bus Drives C and D. The correct resolution should be that B is blocked and their action does not have any effect. If we were to resolve things by category, the bus driving would still happen. In my opinion, that's wrong.
Now the other example is A blocks B, B bus drives B and C (yes B can self-target). Now there is a conflict: B would be blocked, but at the same time if Bs action is successful, they are no longer targeted by the blocking. So here we need to know: What happens first? And if Bus Driving happens first, then it is executed and results in C being blocked.
Now, if killing was also roleblocking, then in a situation where A kills B, B doctors C, we would have to conclude that Bs action fails. But that is not how I would want to resolve things.
This interpretation to me has the undesirable side effect that however you organize things, some actions can either not be blocked, or not be redirected, or not be Bus Driven etc. It's counter-intuitive and unfun to me as it limits the possible interactions. It also doesn't follow mafiascum standards.
Do you think that your way of resolving night actions has any benefits that mine does not?
I would think that most RMMs should have at least one interaction where this makes a difference.This interpretation to me has the undesirable side effect that however you organize things, some actions can either not be blocked, or not be redirected, or not be Bus Driven etc. It's counter-intuitive and unfun to me as it limits the possible interactions. It also doesn't follow mafiascum standards.
Do you think that your way of resolving night actions has any benefits that mine does not?
I don't think there are any benefits, but I also don't think it is counter-intuitive and unfun. I think it is just a different way.
The biggest side-effect is that some actions become stronger (higher up the chain), and that some actions become weaker. I guess I haven't really considered your interpretation of it though (which means it doesn't come up very often that the two interpretations are different).
And it definitely is counter-intuitive, and also counter what's written in the PM unless you specifically modify them. For instance, Bus Driver would say: "Target two players. Any action targeting one of them instead targets the other."
But that is wrong information in your scheme, since it is not true for any action, so it should say "any non-blocking action", which is awkward.