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[LaLight]

And don't you think it's curious how my wagon is made up of the same people that were pushing for a Space lynch yesterday?

And you know for sure Space is town? How so?

[faust]

Why would you present an "if we mislynch lynch me" as town? That wiuld be a nice way to lose the game. Unless you didn't really mean it and said so we just have this mislynch you want

I aim to not mislynch.

[faust]

And don't you think it's curious how my wagon is made up of the same people that were pushing for a Space lynch yesterday?

And you know for sure Space is town? How so?

I read their play.

[LaLight]

And don't you think it's curious how my wagon is made up of the same people that were pushing for a Space lynch yesterday?

And you know for sure Space is town? How so?

I read their play.

Okay. But as you said already you reads aren't accurate this game, i know this even better given that you think i'm scum. And even if you disregard all that, how can you know for sure?

[LaLight]

Why would you present an "if we mislynch lynch me" as town? That wiuld be a nice way to lose the game. Unless you didn't really mean it and said so we just have this mislynch you want

I aim to not mislynch.

But...

You say "if you mislynch, lynch me". If you are town, how does that benefit town?

[faust]

Why would you present an "if we mislynch lynch me" as town? That wiuld be a nice way to lose the game. Unless you didn't really mean it and said so we just have this mislynch you want

I aim to not mislynch.

But...

You say "if you mislynch, lynch me". If you are town, how does that benefit town?

It means we're not mislynching me today.

[faust]

And don't you think it's curious how my wagon is made up of the same people that were pushing for a Space lynch yesterday?

And you know for sure Space is town? How so?

I read their play.

Okay. But as you said already you reads aren't accurate this game, i know this even better given that you think i'm scum. And even if you disregard all that, how can you know for sure?

I don't and never said I did.

[LaLight]

Why would you present an "if we mislynch lynch me" as town? That wiuld be a nice way to lose the game. Unless you didn't really mean it and said so we just have this mislynch you want

I aim to not mislynch.

But...

You say "if you mislynch, lynch me". If you are town, how does that benefit town?

It means we're not mislynching me today.

So you were saying that just not to get lynched, huh?

What will you say if we mislynch someone today?

[LaLight]

And don't you think it's curious how my wagon is made up of the same people that were pushing for a Space lynch yesterday?

And you know for sure Space is town? How so?

I read their play.

Okay. But as you said already you reads aren't accurate this game, i know this even better given that you think i'm scum. And even if you disregard all that, how can you know for sure?

I don't and never said I did.

Lol i thought you did. Hello from 2am.

Nevertheless. You can't throw shade onto people who were on wagon of non confirmed alignment, this is my opinion

[faust]

And don't you think it's curious how my wagon is made up of the same people that were pushing for a Space lynch yesterday?

And you know for sure Space is town? How so?

I read their play.

Okay. But as you said already you reads aren't accurate this game, i know this even better given that you think i'm scum. And even if you disregard all that, how can you know for sure?

I don't and never said I did.

Lol i thought you did. Hello from 2am.

Nevertheless. You can't throw shade onto people who were on wagon of non confirmed alignment, this is my opinion

Welll I have already proven that wrong.

[faust]

Why would you present an "if we mislynch lynch me" as town? That wiuld be a nice way to lose the game. Unless you didn't really mean it and said so we just have this mislynch you want

I aim to not mislynch.

But...

You say "if you mislynch, lynch me". If you are town, how does that benefit town?

It means we're not mislynching me today.

So you were saying that just not to get lynched, huh?

What will you say if we mislynch someone today?

You'll only find out if you stop voting for me

[LaLight]

And don't you think it's curious how my wagon is made up of the same people that were pushing for a Space lynch yesterday?

And you know for sure Space is town? How so?

I read their play.

Okay. But as you said already you reads aren't accurate this game, i know this even better given that you think i'm scum. And even if you disregard all that, how can you know for sure?

I don't and never said I did.

Lol i thought you did. Hello from 2am.

Nevertheless. You can't throw shade onto people who were on wagon of non confirmed alignment, this is my opinion

Welll I have already proven that wrong.

You know that i mean shouldn't, come on

I think you really do want to sell us mislynch on sudgy. I have reread a couple of older games to look at sudgy's play and well, he really is the easy mislynch bait and you of all people know it.

When you realised sudgy doesn't get support, you turned on me, because Space is already scumreading me and i definitely think you both are activest and smartest players in the room (not to offend others) so you can push this mislynch through. That's what i feel.

Sorry, need to go to bed now

[LaLight]

Why would you present an "if we mislynch lynch me" as town? That wiuld be a nice way to lose the game. Unless you didn't really mean it and said so we just have this mislynch you want

I aim to not mislynch.

But...

You say "if you mislynch, lynch me". If you are town, how does that benefit town?

It means we're not mislynching me today.

So you were saying that just not to get lynched, huh?

What will you say if we mislynch someone today?

You'll only find out if you stop voting for me

Oooh stop tempting me, you!

No way. You're scum

[Galzria]

Oh come on, that's ridiculous. There's no way I'm scummier than scummy McScumzor LaLight.

Sorry, I don't think I stated that clearly.

No, I don't think you're scummier than LaLight. I think my order goes like:

Sudgy >>>>> O = LaLight >>> Faust & Others

What I meant is that I think that if you're scum, you're the single most dangerous person in the game - so if I'm not lynching my highest scum read then I could see myself voting you because on a scum danger scale:

Faust >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm unconvinced by sudgy's case on faust. I'd move to sudgy if it came to it, but LL is my preferred lynch for today, I think.

My issue with sudgy is that his votes are so similar to Dylan's -- they're on all the same wagons, so I feel like in that sense they're a bit interchangeable, so I'm a bit 50-50 on them, whereas LL is a bit more individual in his play, so I feel that's kind of a clearer signal.

Here are snapshots from the first and last point at which the mcmc wagon was at 4 people on D1.
#782
LL (1): Space
e (1): Andrew
Cuzz (1): Eevee
TWM (6): JR, ash, Dylan, sudgy, e, mcmc
ash (1): iguana
mcmc (4): gkrieg, LL, Jake, TWM
sudgy (1): faust
JR (1): Galz
iguana (1): Cuzz
Awaclus (1): O
O (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (4): Calamitas, PPS, RR, Jimmmmm

#991
e (1): Andrew
TWM (3): JR, ash, mcmc
mcmc (4): gkrieg, Jake, Space, LL
sudgy (1): faust
JR (7): Galz, e, Dylan, TWM, Eevee, sudgy, iguana
iguana (1): Cuzz
Awaclus (1): O
O (1): Awaclus
Andrew (1): PPS
Not Voting (3): Calamitas, RR, Jimmmmm

Note that in the early part, Dylan and sudgy are both on TWM, and that they've both shifted to JR later on. LL is on the mcmc wagon, though he jumped away to join O on Awaclus for a while, and came back again pretty much as soon as I'd joined on mcmc -- I think that's a sign of opportunistic scum looking for a mislynch wagon.

Here's a snapshot from D2 that I don't think I've posted yet. It's at the point where the Cuz wagon has started to shrink and the Andrew wagon is taking off:

#2483
Cuzz (6): faust, sudgy, Dylan, Andrew, Space, iguana
O (1): Awaclus
Dylan (1): Galz
Andrew (6): LL, Eevee, O, RR, PPS, Jake
Space (1): Cuzz
Not Voting (5): ash, mcmc, Jimmmmm, TWM, e

I think the reason that iguana is as late as he is on Cuzz is because there's a scum earlier on there in {sudgy, Dylan} -- see how those two are together again? -- and I think LL is the most likely on-wagon scum for pushing the start of that Andrew wagon.

I hope I'm not just doing too much of a rehash of my earlier reasoning and stuff. I'd really like to hear comments from people who think my Dylan/sudgy equivalence is misguided (or accurate!), and other theories about what's going on around these points in the wagon histories...

Right now I need sleep, though!

[sudgy]

I need to start packing soon and I won't be here for deadline, so I'm not sure if I'll be able to be back here again.  I still think faust is scum.  If everybody still wants to lynch me, so be it, you don't need to wait for me.  I've said everything that I need to say.  Just definitely look at faust tomorrow after I flip town.

[O]

Welp seems like the options are "vote Faust" or "lose the game to dangerously bad reads from our nearly confirmed town players".

I'll go ahead and Vote: Faust then even though I think we actually can wait a day on lynching him: for tonight, he's no worse than any other townie since he's not going to torpedo his survival odds at Vigging someone else.

Well maybe he might think that's smarter than trying to not get lynched tomorrow, IDK.

... actually that's a pretty good explanation for the "lynch me tomorrow" argument he put forward.

[O]

and according to Galzria's absurdly esoteric scumhunting methods, if Faust flips scum I'm scummier and if Faust flips town I'm townier. Yay....

[Galzria]

I really don't like this.

Vote Count 5.4

iguanaiguana (6): faust, SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Dylan32, Awaclus, iguanaiguana
SpaceAnemone (3): LaLight, O, sudgy

Not Voting (2): Galzria, Jimmmmm

With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch.

Currently on faust: O, Sudgy, LaLight & Roadrunner.

For the [at least 1] town of you that have found yourself on both Space (especially after the Iguana flip) and this one... really? Do you believe the others are town?

Road, do you think all three people on both wagons are town? If they're all town then the lynch on Iguana (which took 6 of 11 and didn't include Jimmm) is really weird, isn't it? Why did that go through?

Scum!Faust is a really, really bad prospect for us. But I just absolutely don't see it. Faust being scum, based on wagons doesn't make sense.

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote

I think you're right. It doesn't really make sense.

[O]

I really don't like this.

Vote Count 5.4

iguanaiguana (6): faust, SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Dylan32, Awaclus, iguanaiguana
SpaceAnemone (3): LaLight, O, sudgy

Not Voting (2): Galzria, Jimmmmm

With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch.

Currently on faust: O, Sudgy, LaLight & Roadrunner.

For the [at least 1] town of you that have found yourself on both Space (especially after the Iguana flip) and this one... really? Do you believe the others are town?

Road, do you think all three people on both wagons are town? If they're all town then the lynch on Iguana (which took 6 of 11 and didn't include Jimmm) is really weird, isn't it? Why did that go through?

Scum!Faust is a really, really bad prospect for us. But I just absolutely don't see it. Faust being scum, based on wagons doesn't make sense.

Space also being scum resolves all those concerns, but apparently being statistically more likely to be scum than anyone else left alive is obvtown for everyone here.

[Galzria]

I really don't like this.

Vote Count 5.4

iguanaiguana (6): faust, SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Dylan32, Awaclus, iguanaiguana
SpaceAnemone (3): LaLight, O, sudgy

Not Voting (2): Galzria, Jimmmmm

With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch.

Currently on faust: O, Sudgy, LaLight & Roadrunner.

For the [at least 1] town of you that have found yourself on both Space (especially after the Iguana flip) and this one... really? Do you believe the others are town?

Road, do you think all three people on both wagons are town? If they're all town then the lynch on Iguana (which took 6 of 11 and didn't include Jimmm) is really weird, isn't it? Why did that go through?

Scum!Faust is a really, really bad prospect for us. But I just absolutely don't see it. Faust being scum, based on wagons doesn't make sense.

Space also being scum resolves all those concerns, but apparently being statistically more likely to be scum than anyone else left alive is obvtown for everyone here.

I saw your point, and yes technically you're correct on the math. The best type of correct even. My favorite. Space isn't obv!town, but I don't think they're play supports the math. And I don't think that line of math is actually beneficial to lynching and finding scum.

If Space is scum then yesterday's wagons literally mean nothing. But if you want me to believe iguana and Space and Ashersky and Calam were partners, please give me actual reasons based on their play. I'm willing to consider it, yes. But I honestly don't see it right now.

[O]

Actually Space being town, Scum could just as well seen the writing on the wall of the Space/Iguana lynch and decided bussing to a 2/7 position was smarter than not bussing to try (and still possibly fail) to get to a 2/5 position and scummier wagons.

PPE: I'm not sold on the trios, I'm just not sold on your discounting of the Trios. They seem statistically and playstyle wise as likely as other combinations.

If I only wanted to survive I would have just taken LaLights awful case on me and driven LaLight to a lynch. The case was presently poorly enough that I very likely could have done that. The only reason I wouldn't do that as scum is if magically LaLight and I were the remaining scumpair. Can you really defend our actions today as some elaborate bussing-then-not-bussing plan?

I want you to argue more vigorously why scum actually had to be off the Iguana wagon in the Space!Town case, because frankly that's not clear to me at all.

[LaLight]

13 hours left

[faust]

I really don't like this.

Vote Count 5.4

iguanaiguana (6): faust, SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Dylan32, Awaclus, iguanaiguana
SpaceAnemone (3): LaLight, O, sudgy

Not Voting (2): Galzria, Jimmmmm

With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch.

Currently on faust: O, Sudgy, LaLight & Roadrunner.

For the [at least 1] town of you that have found yourself on both Space (especially after the Iguana flip) and this one... really? Do you believe the others are town?

Road, do you think all three people on both wagons are town? If they're all town then the lynch on Iguana (which took 6 of 11 and didn't include Jimmm) is really weird, isn't it? Why did that go through?

Scum!Faust is a really, really bad prospect for us. But I just absolutely don't see it. Faust being scum, based on wagons doesn't make sense.

Space also being scum resolves all those concerns, but apparently being statistically more likely to be scum than anyone else left alive is obvtown for everyone here.

So why are you not voting for Space?