I agree that if there is anyone else who had control of the cylon tester, they should claim now.
If they don't, fairly safe assumption that either MiX is lying or the hidden person is not town.
I don't think anyone else claimed this so far, so Ash is probably right one way or another about this...
ppe for this line: Read the ppes and just saw Space hard claim as the other person, so ignore, but I'm not deleting.
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
If your power can really be used for that, then I'm in favor of it being used for it
This power could rule out serial killer, but ADK being something like a survivor isn't all that comforting. They could still side against town at any moment. We know they are not exclusively town-aligned, or they wouldn't be a third party. So it's just ruling out their being completely evil. People with those roles don't tend to want as much attention as ADK has drawn on themself.
It would help to hear more about your power if you can do it without quoting.
Just putting this here to maybe reference later if something is there that I think might be there as I'm reading through.
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
If your power can really be used for that, then I'm in favor of it being used for it
Hmm.. I'm not so sure that's optimal if the shot really can just take any player and say whether their wincon is compatible with town's.
We already have a lot of information on ADK's interactions. If ADK flips as something that isn't compatible with our town wincon, then we can be very suspicious of the players who've exhibited strong levels of trust in ADK, like MiX and Didds. In terms of webs of trust and who's scum conditional on our reads of other people, I think ADK already has a lot of evidence, and as people who've interacted with ADK flip, we'll naturally build up a better picture of how much to trust them.
Compare that to someone like Jack or Robz, about whom we know absolutely nothing, have no reads, and no interactions to speak of. Surely it's better to use a shot on Robz, because that way we keep our vague partial info on ADK, get full alignment reassurance on Robz, and end up with more information than if we only used the shot to top up that partial info on ADK.
Also, on the off-chance this is a scum!Dylan plan to cement some trust in scum!ADK, I think it's advantageous for town not to go along with the plan unchallenged.
PPE 1: EFHW, yes, I agree with that too, though I also think that in general it's better if we're hunting cylon-aligned players than third parties, especially now the third party has been outed.
Replying to the bolded parts. So earlier in the game before it was claimed that ADK was 3rd party, I was townreading ADK more than I was most people, which influenced something I did at night before all that. It is not pro-town to give more details on that action other than: it potentially has legacy implications depending on certain game end-states, but the effects/potential gain that I may get if those conditions are fulfilled do not outweigh the benefits of winning this current game. As such I would set aside pursuit of those goals if needed to win, and the certainty figuring out ADK's wincon would bring to that would have made it much easier to know whether or not it would actually be possible to reach such end states. This is why I wanted clarity on ADK specifically when I had the idea. I did realize that there was potentially a more useful way to use my power, which is why I presented it to get feedback instead of just using it for my own knowledge. Also, if I were scum trying to help scum!ADK, this isn't how I would have down it. A fake rolecop claim with a result for as helpful a 3rd party role as you could find for town result on them for one, or just using that power as I described but sharing the answer instead of giving town veto power over how I use it.
especially now the third party has been outed.
from the ppe on Space's post I just talked about. It may be nothing, but I just caught the assumption that there was only one 3rd party implicit to this comment. It might be NAI, but it's at least worth pointing out.
I’m happy for dylan to test me if we want to start on the Jack wagon
This is mildly towny for Didds, because even a Godfather presumably would be truthfully revealed by this not being a targeted cop shot, which is the normal concern for someone volunteering to be investigated, unless they are actually a Godfather and didn't realize that ability wouldn't help here. So more likely towny, but if scum!Didds, it's role-indicative.
Like someone else already said, maybe Space, it seems weird to me that Dylan thought ADK would be the best use of his power. Hoping we'll hear back from him soon.
Yeah, I explained why above. Also, EFHW seems to be engaging more with me over this than most.
I don't agree with mass-claiming yet, for two main reasons:
1. We're definitely not as far through this game as we would expect to be in terms of the number of nights and the number of posts. We're maybe in a D3 sort of scenario, and sure, that's when in a normal game we might start to consider claims, but with all the extra mechanics, I think this game already has lots of info that we can work our way through (e.g. the discussion that we started around Dylan's claimed power) before we have to resort to that.
2. The push for claims is being let by a small subset of the game, one of whom is claimed non-town, so I think it at least needs more discussion before people go ahead and claim.
I'm fine scum-reading Robz a bit more for just going along with it. He's either utterly disengaged town, or he's scum and this is a scum-driven ploy to move us away from a scenario where we have more discussion around using Dylan's supposed power on Robz instead of on ADK. I'm also not sure what to make of the fact that Robz is claiming powers without claiming a character name, when my understanding of full-claiming was definitely that the role name would be entirely relevant to claim.
Ah yes, discussion, that thing town's been doing this game.
It's day 4. We either have already lost, or someone out there has something akin to a result.
The game is a small subset of the game: there's too many people that aren't active for a town consensus to work. But I'm not going to wait for dylan to come back, it's just not reliable enough: if we are waiting for people to talk before doing things, we will end the day doing nothing, just like we did D1 and D2.
I, too, am scumreading Robz for the no details his claim has, and how he just went ahead and did it.
Fatalistic MiX is unfortunately town MiX if my memory of a couple past games is correct...
I don't care about this game anymore. I did for a brief moment when I realized I was still alive. I don't anymore, town does not give a fuck about anything and this game is too slow for anyone to agree on anything.
Vote: Robz, X-2
Reinforcing the former.
Ok, a little bit more detail about my power. I can basically come up with a yes no question in my QT and then get a truthful answer. So what if we did something like any of the set {x y z} (cylon-aligned/not human-aligned)? (parenthetical options for if you want to filter out 3rd party or include them in the results)
I could probably ask something setup related too if there was a more helpful bit of info we could come up with, but I feel like using it as a weird cop might be most directly helpful right now. That would at least give us some results to work with right now since no one else has rushed forwards with anything yet.
Ask if your top scumread is cylon-aligned. Ask if at least 1 of your 2 top scumreads are cylon-aligned. Ask if there's at least 2 cylon-aligned players in my D3 wagon (by explicitly naming people). Ask if there's at least 2 cylon-aligned players in the Jack D3 wagon. Ask if Jack is cylon-aligned.
Or are any of the viper pilots cylon-aligned? If so, y’all could off us one by one.
Interesting that Didds again volunteers to be in the test group basically.
Or was any member of the jury cylon-aligned?
At first I liked this idea because it would give info on the group and then might have implications for MiX, but then I remembered on acquittal was from 3rd party!ADK and Space didn't even get a chance to weigh in before the decision, so the only person which would give results on them and possibly MiX would be Didds. Wait, Didds proposed that. Ok, that's 3 times volunteering to be in the test group... That's suspicious, even though I don't know what scum ability could conceal or mess with this ability.
Insert quote: Space's detailed plan
I think I like this the most of all the ideas. Either Space is brilliantly manipulating things to be as little help to town as possible (possible
*cough*Space Gambit*cough*), or this is about as good a plan as we are going to get unless just a straight up result on someone actually would be better for us.
One notable change to the groups proposed though - I'm not going to include myself in the testing group, because:
A) I'm town and won't affect parity of the results, so me being in the group is pointless.
B) If I was scum, then you shouldn't trust the results at all anyway, so me being in the group is pointless.
So Space, with that knowledge, who would you move from the remainder to the test group in my place?