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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: ashersky on December 12, 2012, 12:10:49 am
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Welcome to Blitz Mafia VII: Speaker for the Veterans
Are they really letting us fly out here again?
Setup Information (Less Pressure (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Less_Pressure)), but different. Changes in red.
3 Mafia Goons
3 Vanilla Townies
2 Innocent Children
2 Masons
Mechanics:
This game is Nightless.
This game uses a White Flag: town needs to lynch any two Mafia Goons to win.
Mafia have daytalk.
Masons have daytalk.
When the first Mafia Goon is lynched, they get a return kill at a town player.
Innocent Children are announced at the start of the game.
Players:
1 - Robz888
2 - Eevee - Vanilla Townie, Lynched D1
3 - sparky5856
4 - Grujah - Mafia Goon, Lynched D3
5 - Jimmmmm - Mafia Goon, Lynched D2
6 - Captain_Frisk
7 - Insomniac
8 - SwitchedFromStarcraft - Town Mason, Vengekilled D2
Backup Mods: Voltgloss and Jorbles
Day Starts: D1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5889.msg156427#msg156427)
Selected Vote Counts:
Blitz Mafia Ruleset Changes in RED BECAUSE RED GOES FASTER
Game Rules:
General Gameplay and Etiquette:
1. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. Mafia members may communicate at night and during the confirmation stage at any time.
3. There are no nights.
4. Dead players cannot post in QTs, other than the spectator one.
Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:
1.Whomever has the most votes currently on them at lynch deadline is lynched.
1b. If there is a tie at deadline, the player with the most "unique" votes will be lynched. "Unique" votes are counted by the mod concurrently with live votes, and reflect the number of different voters have voted for that player.
2. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
3. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I post a death scene; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
4. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName. Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax! Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
5. Please submit vote revocations as either Unvote: PlayerName or Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
6. You may NOT Vote: No Lynch.
7. This game will have 24 HOUR deadlines. If a player does not have a simple majority at deadline, the player with most votes currently on them will be lynched, and the game will go into twilight.
8. Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post. This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent.
9. Do not edit or delete posts. We don't want some players having more information than others. If you want to clarify posts, feel free to double post.
Miscellaneous/Mechanics:
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5. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, up to and including a Modkill.
The Golden Rule:
Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.
Helpful Links:
- Main Wiki Page (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
- Newbie Guide (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide)
- Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ)
- Commonly Used Abbreviations (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Commonly_used_abbreviations)
- Mafia Theory (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Theory)
TO CLARIFY, I AM NOT A MODERATOR OF F.DS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS GAME, I AM MODERATING THAT THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED AND HIDDEN ACTIONS ARE COMPLETED PROPERLY.
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Tag.
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I might try this. If it starts by like Saturday or something. Finals week is demanding.
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I hope to start by Fri.
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inniti.
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Oooh Masons /in.
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Ooh it's different!
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Gah, I'll play. No, I'm out. Have fun all.
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I could play if I am back from vacation, but don't hold anything up for me. If not I'll try to join into the next one.
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I'll play, but not if it has 24 hour days and will expect to go I to weekend - ie Friday start with day 1 ending on Saturday
I don't want to have to choose between divorce and mafia.
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/in. Would greatly appreciate a MONDAY start. Will not play with a Thursday or Friday start.
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If it started Friday, day would end Sunday night. If it starts Monday, 24-hour days.
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/out if it starts Friday
/in if it starts Monday
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I'll play - sorry to be so wishy washy, but when I'm not in a game it seems attractive, when I'm in it, it is less so. I think that is about stress, but I'll give it another shot.
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People can keep signing up. Sparky needs this to start on Fri, and since he's never played this format, I'd like to get him in, so I may replace insom, if that's okay. Otherwise, I'll need to replace Sparky to start on Monday.
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Will watch. WILL NOT play.
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If it started Friday, day would end Sunday night. If it starts Monday, 24-hour days.
/out.
I can't play a blitz game with a weekend deadline.
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If it started Friday, day would end Sunday night. If it starts Monday, 24-hour days.
/out.
I can't play a blitz game with a weekend deadline.
In for Monday, right? Still undecided there, or if I can't get two for Friday start.
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I'm fine with a friday start if the day ENDS on monday.
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No, I meant I need this to start Saturday or AFTER, not before. I would actually oppose a Friday start. Monday is fine. :) Sorry if my wording was unclear.
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Monday it is!
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Monday it is!
This.
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Starting next Monday? In.
Might have somewhat limited availability in evenings.
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No I'm not.
Yay me for not looking at the sign-up list. :'(
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Put Dsell in over Robz. Robz is VLA anyway, and it won't kill him to miss one. (Yeah Yeah. I know, Robz. Too bad! :P)
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Put Dsell in over Robz. Robz is VLA anyway, and it won't kill him to miss one. (Yeah Yeah. I know, Robz. Too bad! :P)
I don't know Galzria...
Hasn't Robz never missed a game?
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Oh I don't want to rob Robz of a spot. It doesn't matter to me that much. Either way works.
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Put Dsell in over Robz. Robz is VLA anyway, and it won't kill him to miss one. (Yeah Yeah. I know, Robz. Too bad! :P)
I think he's back by Monday, though.
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ash, I'll be away from my Friday (Forum Thursday night/Friday morning) until my Sunday afternoon (Forum Saturday night/Sunday morning). If we're starting on Friday, then I'm still happy to play and get caught up towards the end of day 1, but if you think it would be best for me to sub out, then I'll do that.
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I actually think this will start on Sunday night Forum time, my Monday morning, but have an extended D1; possibly 48 hours. I think, given the changes to the set-up, the time may be warranted.
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If "D1" ends say Tuesday night (48 RL hours after a Sunday evening start), this would still be over by next Friday, right? In other words, only the first "day" would be 48 RL hours?
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If "D1" ends say Tuesday night (48 RL hours after a Sunday evening start), this would still be over by next Friday, right? In other words, only the first "day" would be 48 RL hours?
Correct, subsequent days will be 24 hours.
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Put Dsell in over Robz. Robz is VLA anyway, and it won't kill him to miss one. (Yeah Yeah. I know, Robz. Too bad! :P)
I think he's back by Monday, though.
I'm definitely full back by Monday. And at this point I just really am loathe to break my streak of playing every game. I will step aside if someone really wants it, though...
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Vote: Put Robz in Game
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Robz can be in, it's fine. I might try to catch the next one.
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You want my slot Dsell?
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You want my slot Dsell?
Only if you can't play for another reason. If you want in you can be in!
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You want my slot Dsell?
Only if you can't play for another reason. If you want in you can be in!
Let me know which of you is in.
Roles are rolled. This game will be epic.
PMs and game start in ~16 hours.
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Also, spec QT available for this one. Trust me, this will be worth watching.
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My posting may be limited today due to football. We go weeks and weeks with just one or two games that interest me, and then today I have 5 early games to follow and 2 of the four later games, plus Al and Chris this evening.
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Also, spec QT available for this one. Trust me, this will be worth watching.
speccy me up! If only I had the last one I could have shown you how brilliant I was in calling out TheMunch from the start.
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Also, spec QT available for this one. Trust me, this will be worth watching.
I'm going to speccy too!
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Like a great man once said: "Just send me my pm already!"
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The humans know very little about us. They only hear our voices, and we wipe their memory after each test. Perhaps if we taught them, they could evolve to a higher level of morality and prescience?
No, I don't think so.
Captain_Frisk, Eevee, Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, Robz888, sparky5856, and SwitchedFromStarcraft wake up in what appears to be a clearing, surrounded by rocks, a gigantic tree in the center, with a rope hanging from it.
Out of the sky, a voice: welcome humans. I am your speaker. I will tell your tales after you are gone. Know this! There are among you three Mafia Goons. Find them. Destroy them. Or lose yourselves.
But be warned, this will not be easy. We have implanted the three evil ones with neural transmitters, so they may be plotting in front of your very eyes. To aid in the struggle for good, we selected two innocents for transmitters as well, so that they may confer and share. We call them the Masons.
Day 1 has begun. Deadline is in 48 hours.
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First! This time I don't claim VT.
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Theory question. If the masons claim immediately, this game becomes like the other ones, but with the ic having day chat round one.
Thoughts?
Disclaimer: not claiming that I am not mason, just want to see reaction.
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And vote: eevee
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I don't think they should claim right away, because people always treat IC's differently. I think having the best of both worlds is the optimal solution, they should coordinate the claim in their daychat and do it when they feel the time is right. Which could very well be day 1 already, although postponing it until 1st scum has died is definite huge edge for town so I dont know.
Not saying whether I'm a mason or not obviously, despite the use of the word "they".
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Theory question. If the masons claim immediately, this game becomes like the other ones, but with the ic having day chat round one.
Thoughts?
Disclaimer: not claiming that I am not mason, just want to see reaction.
Hmm.. I was not here recently, how did those games fare for town?
But I think that masons are stronger for town, mafia cannot hit them as easily, and if they survive long enough they can win or force a double fakeclaim from mafia?
vote: sparky, cuz he's me nemesis!
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Just a reminder, this was a ninja start, so don't expect all fellow players to be aware the game is ongoing yet. That's part of the reason for the 48-hour Day 1. Subsequent days will be 24 hours.
Also, a quick reminder that unique votes will start to be counted at some point by mods.
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I'd pm theory to get this moved to the proper sub forum.
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Just a reminder, this was a ninja start, so don't expect all fellow players to be aware the game is ongoing yet. That's part of the reason for the 48-hour Day 1. Subsequent days will be 24 hours.
Also, a quick reminder that unique votes will start to be counted at some point by mods.
Ugh, didn't know about that tiebreaker, should have read rules more carefully.
What if there is a tie of unique votes too?
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Unique votes will only start mattering after ashersky announces RVS to be over, no worries.
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First RVS vote on me ever, hooray. At least, I hope it's RVS. Getting called a nemesis five posts into the game shouldn't be a good sign.
Randomly sorting everyone's names yields that I am the most suspicious. That is obviously a flawed method so I will not rely on it.
Taking things seriously, I REALLY think the masons should wait to claim at least until Day 2, preferably when we hit a Goon already. If they claim before we lynch the first Goon, the smart play for them would be to take out one of them. If they take out a VT, that's a huge advantage for the masons. So I vote no claiming.
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Just thought about it, the latest I'll be here this day is about 20 minutes before the deadline. So, we should probably finish the day before then. I HOPE this won't matter too much. >_<
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Theory question. If the masons claim immediately, this game becomes like the other ones, but with the ic having day chat round one.
Thoughts?
Disclaimer: not claiming that I am not mason, just want to see reaction.
Hmm.. I was not here recently, how did those games fare for town?
But I think that masons are stronger for town, mafia cannot hit them as easily, and if they survive long enough they can win or force a double fakeclaim from mafia?
vote: sparky, cuz he's me nemesis!
1 and 1 for town. I think the setup is slanted toward town.
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This should be quite a bit better for town than the previous setup.
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theory is awesome.
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Theory question. If the masons claim immediately, this game becomes like the other ones, but with the ic having day chat round one.
Thoughts?
Disclaimer: not claiming that I am not mason, just want to see reaction.
Hmm.. I was not here recently, how did those games fare for town?
But I think that masons are stronger for town, mafia cannot hit them as easily, and if they survive long enough they can win or force a double fakeclaim from mafia?
vote: sparky, cuz he's me nemesis!
1 and 1 for town. I think the setup is slanted toward town.
Actually (all linked):
Blitz Mafia VI: The Garden of Veterans (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5503.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Mafia wins.
Blitz Mafia V: Return of the Veteran Ship (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5487.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Mafia wins flawlessly.
Blitz Mafia IV: A Veteran Battle of Wits (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5427.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Town wins flawlessly.
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... Do we still need to only kill 2 mafia to win, though? Or all 3?
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... Do we still need to only kill 2 mafia to win, though? Or all 3?
The Mafia White Flag is still in effect.
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Okay. Then... I think Masons should just claim, and we play this like the previous game, expect our ICs can talk in private. Which I am guessing is a HUGE benefit.
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Yeah. I'm like almost positive that's what we should do. Or else we could waste half this day building cases on people that should just be acquitted.
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Okay. Then... I think Masons should just claim, and we play this like the previous game, expect our ICs can talk in private. Which I am guessing is a HUGE benefit.
We really need theorel or someone in here to simulate. :/ I think both sides have their arguments really.
Is IC's with daytalk better than scum possibly venge-killing a VT? I don't know the answer to that, but I would wait at least half a day before claiming anyways just because that should make getting reads easier, no?
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Yeah. I'm like almost positive that's what we should do. Or else we could waste half this day building cases on people that should just be acquitted.
How is that wasting time though?
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although postponing it until 1st scum has died is definite huge edge for town so I dont know.
This. But also if Mason dies before first mafia than they are useless. Maybe reveal at first deadline (that is, just as first guy dies?)
Vote: Robz888 for fishing.
PPE: few posts.
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Yeah. I'm like almost positive that's what we should do. Or else we could waste half this day building cases on people that should just be acquitted.
Hmm.. or you might be right, we are actually tight on time, and wasting is more of an issue than normal..
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Even 24 hours is plenty if you make the most of it. As long as the discussion keeps going, time won't be an issue I don't think.
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I don't like willy-nilly voting in this setup AT ALL, so please stop. Obviously I was not fishing.
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There seem to be differing opinions on the subject. I personally think it's close / don't know, so I would prefer if the actual masons hashed it out in their QT and decided themselves. That way it at least won't be scum-affected. Thoughts?
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Like, maybe I can build a case on Grujah now. Grujah used a stupid excuse to put a vote on me, in this hasty setup where votes flying everywhere isn't so good. And he's wrong on the claiming argument, whatever. So I have this case on him. Now I would try to convince Eevee and other people, that's how it works.
But if Grujah is IC... we're never actually going to get to the point of killing him (he'll claim before that), and this is all wasted discussion on someone who is not a viable candidate for lynch.
Now, ICs leading the discussion (while having their own private discussion) is I think something that will work nice. I was IC with Jimm in the last game, and I would have loved to explain to him the traps I was setting for suspects when I asked people to answer questions.
Obviously, they can still do this, sort of... but I do like the IC-led discussion format (and I think it will be greatly advantaged by their daychat), and I think it will be the best thing here. Better than blind man accusations.
Well, if everyone disagrees I'll drop it.
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There seem to be differing opinions on the subject. I personally think it's close / don't know, so I would prefer if the actual masons hashed it out in their QT and decided themselves. That way it at least won't be scum-affected. Thoughts?
Yeah. I hope the Masons do discuss this, and if they agree with me that coming forward is best, they should do it (and I might be one of these masons!).
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Good post Robz, obviusly laying down the arguments for the side you support to make the masons more informed when making their decision is good.
However, you don't think it can be beneficial to see who built cases on confirmed townies and hopped on their wagons or refused to hop on their wagons? I think that's one of the advantages of delaying the claim.
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Meh, "fishing" was probably a bad term to use, "going for suboptimal strategy (i think it is suboptimal) where we give more info to scum" is what I should used. Blah.
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Good post Robz, obviusly laying down the arguments for the side you support to make the masons more informed when making their decision is good.
However, you don't think it can be beneficial to see who built cases on confirmed townies and hopped on their wagons or refused to hop on their wagons? I think that's one of the advantages of delaying the claim.
I just don't see myself actually faulting someone for building a case against a confirmed townie, before the person was confirmed town. Maybe they were just trying to be a good scumhunter? The more the ICs try to hide who they are, the weirder they will inadvertently act, anyway. Possibly setting off other pro-town people's scum radars.
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Good post Robz, obviusly laying down the arguments for the side you support to make the masons more informed when making their decision is good.
However, you don't think it can be beneficial to see who built cases on confirmed townies and hopped on their wagons or refused to hop on their wagons? I think that's one of the advantages of delaying the claim.
I just don't see myself actually faulting someone for building a case against a confirmed townie, before the person was confirmed town. Maybe they were just trying to be a good scumhunter? The more the ICs try to hide who they are, the weirder they will inadvertently act, anyway. Possibly setting off other pro-town people's scum radars.
Voting for town-aligned players is generally less of a scumtell than refusing to vote for scum-aligned players, true. But, there is still a ton of information to be gained. You know how analysis is always hard until we get a flip? Well, here we can get two whenever we most desire. That might help us PoE to scum.
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Vote Count 1.1
Eevee (1, u0): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (1, u0): Grujah
Not Voting (6): Eevee, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, Robz888, sparky5856, SwitchedFromStarcraft
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
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And we're back. Hi all.
I think we'd be in a fantastic position if the Masons managed to claim after we hit scum. So I was going to suggest that they only claim if they would otherwise be lynched. I guess the problem with that is that one of the Masons could be vengekilled. Maybe if the Masons work out between them a way each of them to convincingly come out as an IC in the event that the other is killed.
And yes, we MUST wait for a claim before hammering, obviously.
Also, I think we should decide that if someone is to claim, they must claim who their partner is. That way, scum can't claim, at least on day 1, because if we have two Masons claim and two scum claim, we win. Maybe this should change if we lose a Townie, I'm not sure.
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Theory question. If the masons claim immediately, this game becomes like the other ones, but with the ic having day chat round one.
Thoughts?
Disclaimer: not claiming that I am not mason, just want to see reaction.
Fos you guys or running one while I was away.
Hmm.. I was not here recently, how did those games fare for town?
But I think that masons are stronger for town, mafia cannot hit them as easily, and if they survive long enough they can win or force a double fakeclaim from mafia?
vote: sparky, cuz he's me nemesis!
1 and 1 for town. I think the setup is slanted toward town.
Actually (all linked):
Blitz Mafia VI: The Garden of Veterans (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5503.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Mafia wins.
Blitz Mafia V: Return of the Veteran Ship (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5487.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Mafia wins flawlessly.
Blitz Mafia IV: A Veteran Battle of Wits (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5427.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Town wins flawlessly.
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Theory question. If the masons claim immediately, this game becomes like the other ones, but with the ic having day chat round one.
Thoughts?
Disclaimer: not claiming that I am not mason, just want to see reaction.
Hmm.. I was not here recently, how did those games fare for town?
But I think that masons are stronger for town, mafia cannot hit them as easily, and if they survive long enough they can win or force a double fakeclaim from mafia?
vote: sparky, cuz he's me nemesis!
1 and 1 for town. I think the setup is slanted toward town.
Actually (all linked):
Blitz Mafia VI: The Garden of Veterans (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5503.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Mafia wins.
Blitz Mafia V: Return of the Veteran Ship (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5487.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Mafia wins flawlessly.
Blitz Mafia IV: A Veteran Battle of Wits (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5427.0) by ashersky. 8 players. Town wins flawlessly.
Fos you guys or running one while I was away.
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I'm with robz on this one. How did scum win in 6? Anything notable?
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It cant be worse than 50/50 for town per previous math.
What I'm really nervous about is having the masons not claim, and then having one of them be vengekilled.
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Robz has some good points, so which is better: having IC's with daychat right off the bat, or keeping the identities of the masons a secret in the hopes of mafia hitting a VT and having the masons alive (which they will be REALLY powerful at that point)? I was leaning towards the latter, plus what Eevee mentioned about seeing who builds wagons on confirmed townies is a very good point.
I mean, they claim now, we have two innocent children and they have daychat. Little bit better than a plain 3VT 2IC setup. But we can make some intriguing developments later if we leave their identities alone. If one gets close to being lynched, they can always claim then.
I haven't read the other games, so I don't know what went on in there, so my opinion probably matters less ;D
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I'm with robz on this one. How did scum win in 6? Anything notable?
No, nothing special at all happened. Right, Insomniac?
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I'm with robz on this one. How did scum win in 6? Anything notable?
I think we wrongly lynched Cuzz for lurking. Then we correctly lynched Insom, (who vengekilled me), leaving Robz with Eevee, shraeye, Munch and Galz. It was a tough call, and Robz picked Galz who was Town.
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I'm with robz on this one. How did scum win in 6? Anything notable?
No, nothing special at all happened. Right, Insomniac?
Crap, I was at the wrong game. Sorry guys, clever joke ruined.
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It cant be worse than 50/50 for town per previous math.
What I'm really nervous about is having the masons not claim, and then having one of them be vengekilled.
Well obviously that's what's going to happen if they claim, as ICs were vengekilled in the previous setup. That's why I think if we could delay the claim until after a scumlynch, we'd be doing amazingly. But, of course, if the Masons think it's best to claim today, then it's up to them.
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I'm with robz on this one. How did scum win in 6? Anything notable?
No, nothing special at all happened. Right, Insomniac?
Crap, I was at the wrong game. Sorry guys, clever joke ruined.
Don't worry, I was about to go there too. ;)
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It cant be worse than 50/50 for town per previous math.
What I'm really nervous about is having the masons not claim, and then having one of them be vengekilled.
That possibility is always going to be there. If the masons claimed, will one be vengekilled? (I hope we all know the answer to that.)
PPE: ninja'd by Jim
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When can we start implementing LaLL?
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Also, back-up what Robz said about the QT being great for ICs. Would've helped us in VI heaps I think.
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When can we start implementing LaLL?
Lol, not yet. Ninja start and everything.
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When can we start implementing LaLL?
Lol, not yet. Ninja start and everything.
Reason why I asked is because I'm curious as to how to define a "lurker" in Blitz Mafia. I would assume to just define them the way you normally would, but I wanted to be sure. Because that policy always works ;D
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When can we start implementing LaLL?
Lol, not yet. Ninja start and everything.
Reason why I asked is because I'm curious as to how to define a "lurker" in Blitz Mafia. I would assume to just define them the way you normally would, but I wanted to be sure. Because that policy always works ;D
Someone contributing less than they could is the definition I use.
Someone like theorel only having 20 posts that are all walls of text is a lot different than someone onelining themself up to a high post count without ever saying much anything.
..and here it's really highly likely people just haven't even noticed the game started yet. It's only been a couple of hours.
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Reason why I asked is because I'm curious as to how to define a "lurker" in Blitz Mafia. I would assume to just define them the way you normally would, but I wanted to be sure. Because that policy always works ;D
Shameless Plug:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6004.0
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Am posting here to acknowledge start of the game. Have not read anything, and will likely not post until tomorrow morning.
Seahawks trounce another opponent!! Now, everyone root for the Patriots, 'cause I need San Fran to lose.
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Am posting here to acknowledge start of the game. Have not read anything, and will likely not post until tomorrow morning.
Seahawks trounce another opponent!! Now, everyone root for the Patriots, 'cause I need San Fran to lose.
Rooting for Boston sports teams is a lynch able offense
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Am posting here to acknowledge start of the game. Have not read anything, and will likely not post until tomorrow morning.
Seahawks trounce another opponent!! Now, everyone root for the Patriots, 'cause I need San Fran to lose.
Rooting for Boston sports teams is a lynch able offense
You guys are cute.
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I thought I got a scummy vibe from Frisk and got all excited. Then I reread him, turns out I don't.
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The one who sticks out to me most atm is Grujah; his "blah" attitude reminds me of scum-Grujah. Where did your initial scum vibe on Frisk come from Eevee? He was the one who proposed the mason debate. It's a possibility that scum is trying to out the masons early, but the opposite scenario is plausible as well.
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The one who sticks out to me most atm is Grujah; his "blah" attitude reminds me of scum-Grujah. Where did your initial scum vibe on Frisk come from Eevee? He was the one who proposed the mason debate. It's a possibility that scum is trying to out the masons early, but the opposite scenario is plausible as well.
Mason talk came kind of fast, which could meant that he had already been planning this in the QT before posting. Not a lot, I know. Also I got the impression he was ready to be here to talk about sports with SfS without really giving any comments to any other issues, but reread proved that to be a false statement.
So, just to be clear, I'm totally neutral on Frisk's alignment this far. Hasn't played townier or scummier than average, I don't think.
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The one who sticks out to me most atm is Grujah; his "blah" attitude reminds me of scum-Grujah. Where did your initial scum vibe on Frisk come from Eevee? He was the one who proposed the mason debate. It's a possibility that scum is trying to out the masons early, but the opposite scenario is plausible as well.
Mason talk came kind of fast, which could meant that he had already been planning this in the QT before posting. Not a lot, I know. Also I got the impression he was ready to be here to talk about sports with SfS without really giving any comments to any other issues, but reread proved that to be a false statement.
So, just to be clear, I'm totally neutral on Frisk's alignment this far. Hasn't played townier or scummier than average, I don't think.
He could be scum, or he could be a mason himself, by the logic of the first sentence. Or he's just quick to act. We were given this setup days beforehand, so that's actually a lot of time to think about the masons. It's not a lot to go on, I agree.
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I like to post what I think. Especially on a blitz setup I think it's important to keep things moving.
If I ever get spammy though, just tell me and I'll start to self-filter.
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This. But also if Mason dies before first mafia than they are useless. Maybe reveal at first deadline (that is, just as first guy dies?)
This seems silly to me. I think the point of not claiming is so that scum won't necessarily hit a Mason with their vengekill. If they're going to claim before night 1, it should either be early enough that we don't have to worry about suspecting them, or in order to save themselves.
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49er's look awesome, Patriots look like St. Louis, so I gave up. I'm caught up to 103. This is my first game with Masons, so I don't really have an opinion on what is best. I see the advantages and disadvantages to both sides.
I do have two observations:
FoS: Robz.
Consider this progression:
First in #61
Okay. Then... I think Masons should just claim, and we play this like the previous game, expect [sic] our ICs can talk in private. Which I am guessing is a HUGE benefit.
Robz wouldn't have to guess what sort of value daychat has. He was mafia in ZM5, and had daychat.
Then immediately in #62, a stronger opinion:
Yeah. I'm like almost positive that's what we should do. Or else we could waste half this day building cases on people that should just be acquitted.
But in #71, in response to Eevee, we get this:
There seem to be differing opinions on the subject. I personally think it's close / don't know, so I would prefer if the actual masons hashed it out in their QT and decided themselves. That way it at least won't be scum-affected. Thoughts?
Yeah. I hope the Masons do discuss this, and if they agree with me that coming forward is best, they should do it (and I might be one of these masons!).
This seems like a) an effort to agree with Eevee; b) a bit of distancing from the strength of his earlier opinion, and c) a half-hearted 'the Masons should make up their own minds' and c) . But it's the weird last add-on that strikes me most oddly. It seems... folksy? in a really disingenuous way. It also subtly echoes (through reversal) Eevee's "Not saying whether I'm a mason or not obviously, despite the use of the word "they"" from #47. It stood out. I also remember the way Robz outed himself D1 in the blitz game where he was the doctor (ZM4?)
discussing the 'lawman should claim, and doc protect him' plan. Because of that, I don't think Robz would push a plan for Masons to claim if he were a Mason.
Only one other thing has stood out so far, so FoS: Grujah
In #51, he states:
Just a reminder, this was a ninja start, so don't expect all fellow players to be aware the game is ongoing yet. That's part of the reason for the 48-hour Day 1. Subsequent days will be 24 hours.
Also, a quick reminder that unique votes will start to be counted at some point by mods.
Ugh, didn't know about that tiebreaker, should have read rules more carefully.
What if there is a tie of unique votes too?
I'm always disappointed when someone hasn't read the rules - look at all the recent problems with folks not reading the rules in various games, mafia and otherwise. In fairness, Grujah stated in another post he hasn't been around much lately, so he may not know what has transpired lately. Also in fairness, not reading the rules may make one foolish, but it doesn't make one scummy, in and of itself. But #66 also stood out:
Yeah. I'm like almost positive that's what we should do. Or else we could waste half this day building cases on people that should just be acquitted.
Hmm.. or you might be right, we are actually tight on time, and wasting is more of an issue than normal..
I checked, and Grujah has played one blitz game here, ZM1. That game had 24 hour days, and 12 hour nights, so he knows what can be accomplished in 24 hours. Here (for Day 1) we have 48 hours, double the time. If he had only ever played non-blitz, I can see him feeling rushed, but such is not the case. The comment just rings a little false to me, and it's juxtaposed with a bit of a hedge on his original position (see#66), which was that it's better for the masons to stay hidden.
I'm off to bed. Have fun all. I've got stuff to do in the AM, so may not be on until afternoon.
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FoS: Robz.
Consider this progression:
First in #61
Okay. Then... I think Masons should just claim, and we play this like the previous game, expect [sic] our ICs can talk in private. Which I am guessing is a HUGE benefit.
Robz wouldn't have to guess what sort of value daychat has. He was mafia in ZM5, and had daychat.
I don't know, I didn't really see anything scummy about this. I guess daychat between ICs is probably quite different to daychat between scum. I took this to mean "I'm guessing it would have been helpful last game when we were ICs." And I agree, it would have.
Then immediately in #62, a stronger opinion:
Yeah. I'm like almost positive that's what we should do. Or else we could waste half this day building cases on people that should just be acquitted.
But in #71, in response to Eevee, we get this:
There seem to be differing opinions on the subject. I personally think it's close / don't know, so I would prefer if the actual masons hashed it out in their QT and decided themselves. That way it at least won't be scum-affected. Thoughts?
Yeah. I hope the Masons do discuss this, and if they agree with me that coming forward is best, they should do it (and I might be one of these masons!).
This seems like a) an effort to agree with Eevee; b) a bit of distancing from the strength of his earlier opinion, and c) a half-hearted 'the Masons should make up their own minds' and c) . But it's the weird last add-on that strikes me most oddly. It seems... folksy? in a really disingenuous way. It also subtly echoes (through reversal) Eevee's "Not saying whether I'm a mason or not obviously, despite the use of the word "they"" from #47. It stood out. I also remember the way Robz outed himself D1 in the blitz game where he was the doctor (ZM4?)
discussing the 'lawman should claim, and doc protect him' plan. Because of that, I don't think Robz would push a plan for Masons to claim if he were a Mason.
Yeah I'm in a little more agreement here. From playing with Robz, he's generally not afraid to speak his mind on theory and assume he's right: "I thought this wasn't a controversial opinion?" The "Actually yes, Masons should decide" seems like it could be a bit of a backflip, or not wanting to come across like he's pushy or something? I don't know. Maybe he's just not as sure about this as he has been about other things.
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Only one other thing has stood out so far, so FoS: Grujah
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But #66 also stood out:
Yeah. I'm like almost positive that's what we should do. Or else we could waste half this day building cases on people that should just be acquitted.
Hmm.. or you might be right, we are actually tight on time, and wasting is more of an issue than normal..
I checked, and Grujah has played one blitz game here, ZM1. That game had 24 hour days, and 12 hour nights, so he knows what can be accomplished in 24 hours. Here (for Day 1) we have 48 hours, double the time. If he had only ever played non-blitz, I can see him feeling rushed, but such is not the case. The comment just rings a little false to me, and it's juxtaposed with a bit of a hedge on his original position (see#66), which was that it's better for the masons to stay hidden.
I'm off to bed. Have fun all. I've got stuff to do in the AM, so may not be on until afternoon.
I don't really see the difference between what Robz said and Grujah agreeing that it might be true. I mean, Robz has played a bunch of Blitz games (read: all of them), so if Grujah should know what we can achieve in 24 hours, surely Robz should too. On the other hand I kind of feel like your "nah we have plenty of time" was a bit of an overcompensation. We don't have plenty of time. We have enough time. Of course, what we shouldn't do is wait until deadline and then pile the votes on someone. We need to give ourselves time for the claim, which is fairly obvious.
Of course, I disagree with Grujah's Mason point in #66 entirely, so I'll agree with the FoS.
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I don't think theory issues like this are a great way to catch scum. In my experience people don't make up opinions, and even if they did it would be very hard to tell because so many people disagree anyways.
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This seems like a) an effort to agree with Eevee; b) a bit of distancing from the strength of his earlier opinion, and c) a half-hearted 'the Masons should make up their own minds' and c) . But it's the weird last add-on that strikes me most oddly. It seems... folksy? in a really disingenuous way. It also subtly echoes (through reversal) Eevee's "Not saying whether I'm a mason or not obviously, despite the use of the word "they"" from #47. It stood out. I also remember the way Robz outed himself D1 in the blitz game where he was the doctor (ZM4?)
discussing the 'lawman should claim, and doc protect him' plan. Because of that, I don't think Robz would push a plan for Masons to claim if he were a Mason.
Only one other thing has stood out so far, so FoS: Grujah
Should vote Robz everytime than, he almost never reads the setup completely :P
Thing is, even though I did read it and do know that there is no night, whenever I try to theorycraft I cannot shift into "no-night" mode, I even made this error in-thread. Similar with Blitz mode, with which I have no experience as last time I died D1.
So far, no real reads, but SFS seems townish. Sparky seems scummy i guess, also is going for semantics.
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This seems like a) an effort to agree with Eevee; b) a bit of distancing from the strength of his earlier opinion, and c) a half-hearted 'the Masons should make up their own minds' and c) . But it's the weird last add-on that strikes me most oddly. It seems... folksy? in a really disingenuous way. It also subtly echoes (through reversal) Eevee's "Not saying whether I'm a mason or not obviously, despite the use of the word "they"" from #47. It stood out. I also remember the way Robz outed himself D1 in the blitz game where he was the doctor (ZM4?)
discussing the 'lawman should claim, and doc protect him' plan. Because of that, I don't think Robz would push a plan for Masons to claim if he were a Mason.
Only one other thing has stood out so far, so FoS: Grujah
Should vote Robz everytime than, he almost never reads the setup completely :P
Thing is, even though I did read it and do know that there is no night, whenever I try to theorycraft I cannot shift into "no-night" mode, I even made this error in-thread. Similar with Blitz mode, with which I have no experience as last time I died D1.
So far, no real reads, but SFS seems townish. Sparky seems scummy i guess, also is going for semantics.
My comment wasn't related to the no night part of this setup. It was about the fact that you have played in a game with 24-hour deadlines. And yes, you died D1 in ZM1, and were town, but you didn't post very much at all, so to express concern about time here (when we have twice as much as we did there), when you didn't maximize your use of it there, seems off.
This entire response seems measuredly cool(or to use Sparky's word in #99 "blah"). You seem studiously unconcerned. You feel comfortable ending your quote of me with my bolded FoS of you, but open with a humorous comment about Robz that deflects my notice of you not reading the rules back onto Robz.
@Sparky: tell me more about your experience with scum-Grujah
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Out for about an hour.
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Building elaborate cases out of virtually nothing is a trait I'd attribute mostly to scum-SfS. He is the guy I'm most suspicious at the moment.
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So do we have positions for everyone on the mason claiming issue?
For:
RobZ
Frisk
Against:
Eevee
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I'm hoping that someone else can do the work while I try to restore some databases.
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So do we have positions for everyone on the mason claiming issue?
For:
RobZ
Frisk
Against:
Eevee
I think that they should claim only to save themselves, in the hope that we lynch scum and still have two "ICs" in day 2.
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My position is "IC's should decide themselves, I don't know".
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My position is "IC's should decide themselves, I don't know".
Well yeah, there's that. I think regardless of what we say, they will decide between them what they think their best option is.
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I'm against claiming, as usual.
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Now that I read it again, SFS seems to have went out and FoSed people while completely ignoring the question at hand himself. (IC claiming)
Thoughts?
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I originally thought that having 1 of the masons die due to vengekill be a bad idea, but further reflection indicates that my concerns were unwarranted.
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Now that I read it again, SFS seems to have went out and FoSed people while completely ignoring the question at hand himself. (IC claiming)
Thoughts?
I don't think the issue is THAT important. I think it's something we should mention, and give some opinions on, but really it's not up to us all to decide what to do, it's up to the Masons. I think by now they're well enough informed.
Was there something in particular about his FOSing you found suspicious?
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I originally thought that having 1 of the masons die due to vengekill be a bad idea, but further reflection indicates that my concerns were unwarranted.
That seems unhelpful. Care to expand?
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So do we have positions for everyone on the mason claiming issue?
For:
RobZ
Frisk
Against:
Eevee
Undecided. Can the more experienced players give me more info on how to balance the added worth of hidden Masons going into day 2, versus the potential added effectiveness of D1 scumhunting, but an almost guaranteed loss of one of the pair (and the value of the attached daychat) if the D1 scumhunting is maximally effective?
I'm not avoiding a decision, and am leaning claim, but all I've heard is the 'here is what happens if we do, here is what happens if we don't'. There's been no real meat to the discussion of the relative merits of those sets of outcomes.
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I originally thought that having 1 of the masons die due to vengekill be a bad idea, but further reflection indicates that my concerns were unwarranted.
That seems unhelpful. Care to expand?
I don't think I'm going to.
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Now that I read it again, SFS seems to have went out and FoSed people while completely ignoring the question at hand himself. (IC claiming)
Thoughts?
My thought are that the words "completely ignoring" are a gross misrepresentation:
I'm caught up to 103. This is my first game with Masons, so I don't really have an opinion on what is best. I see the advantages and disadvantages to both sides.
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It's the very first thing I addressed in my first post (not counting the post that acknowledged the game starting).
I'm gonna like this game.
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I originally thought that having 1 of the masons die due to vengekill be a bad idea, but further reflection indicates that my concerns were unwarranted.
Can you elaborate on this for me?
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Ninja'd, and Frisk will apparently be playing the role of Pops this morning.
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I'm here and sorry I'm late, I disagree with claiming the masons. It's a different setup and it deserves to be played differently. Being able to claim after a lynch is a huge advantage (if its a town lynch then it narrows the field, if its a scum lynch even better). And scum can't counter claim effectively because they have to out their entire team.
FoS: Robz for not realizing this
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Updating previous chart, please advise of errors.
So do we have positions for everyone on the mason claiming issue?
For:
RobZ
Frisk
Against:
Insomniac
Other:
Jim - Claim only if being lynched
Eevee - let masons decide
SFS - wants more info, currently leaning claim
Unknown/I can't be sure:
Grujah - Posts 65 and 66?
Sparky - Post 82?
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Out for a few hours.
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Jim - Claim only if being lynched
I don't think there'll be any argument that they should claim to save themselves, so I guess you can put me down as against. I just think if we can lynch scum and still have 2 ICs, we'll be laughing. Of course, that's a reasonably big if.
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But... why gamble that we will get really lucky, and if we do, things will be great?
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It also potentially wastes a bunch of time for the VTs trying to hunt for scum among a larger subset of people.
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It also potentially wastes a bunch of time for the VTs trying to hunt for scum among a larger subset of people.
Yeah. Exactly. I'm on the same page with you, big time.
Okay, well we are wasting time either way now.
I suspect Grujah, FWIW (would be great to know if he were a Mason!).
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But... why gamble that we will get really lucky, and if we do, things will be great?
Because claiming day 2 is better even if we lynched town. Mafia can't counterclaim day 1, they could on day 2 and if you can correctly solve the claim problem you 100% win because they have to out scum with themselves. (The town member says uhh no I don't have chat with you)
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The only time that mafia can falseclaim masons without losing is on day 3. This is the realization that I came to earlier.
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The only time that mafia can falseclaim masons without losing is on day 3. This is the realization that I came to earlier.
I don't see how thats true, if we lynch town day 1 they can safely claim it on day 2 trying to win
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The only time that mafia can falseclaim masons without losing is on day 3. This is the realization that I came to earlier.
I don't see how thats true, if we lynch town day 1 they can safely claim it on day 2 trying to win
because its still 50/50, even if they fakeclaim a full mason team. gotcha.
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The only time that mafia can falseclaim masons without losing is on day 3. This is the realization that I came to earlier.
I don't see how thats true, if we lynch town day 1 they can safely claim it on day 2 trying to win
I don't think they'll try it, even if we lynch town day 1.
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The only time that mafia can falseclaim masons without losing is on day 3. This is the realization that I came to earlier.
I don't see how thats true, if we lynch town day 1 they can safely claim it on day 2 trying to win
I don't think they'll try it, even if we lynch town day 1.
Bah, I take that back. I don't know.
I mean, I guess we are settinf ourselves up for this to happene xactly.
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The only time that mafia can falseclaim masons without losing is on day 3. This is the realization that I came to earlier.
I don't see how thats true, if we lynch town day 1 they can safely claim it on day 2 trying to win
I don't think they'll try it, even if we lynch town day 1.
You talked to your scumbuddies about whether or not they'd like to do it?
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What if ONE of the Masons comes forward? That way you have one conf town who will die, he can claim partner at l-1 and you don't have to fear lynching a mason as the one you know about will tell you.
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What if ONE of the Masons comes forward? That way you have one conf town who will die, he can claim partner at l-1 and you don't have to fear lynching a mason as the one you know about will tell you.
Whats the advantage of 1 over both? If the 2nd ever dies due to vengekill, we've already won, right?
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What if ONE of the Masons comes forward? That way you have one conf town who will die, he can claim partner at l-1 and you don't have to fear lynching a mason as the one you know about will tell you.
I think a particularly savvy Mason could play it this way, maybe. I just really want some IC direction guys.
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Also - the more we talk about this, the closer we come to roleclaiming anyway.
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For now lets play it like a normal game, we haven't heard much from Grujah/Sparky lately
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For now lets play it like a normal game, we haven't heard much from Grujah/Sparky lately
Calling out your own mates for lurking?
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For now lets play it like a normal game, we haven't heard much from Grujah/Sparky lately
Calling out your own mates for lurking?
This isn't MXII ;D
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What if ONE of the Masons comes forward? That way you have one conf town who will die, he can claim partner at l-1 and you don't have to fear lynching a mason as the one you know about will tell you.
Whats the advantage of 1 over both? If the 2nd ever dies due to vengekill, we've already won, right?
I'm not sure how to parse this. I guess you're saying that if they both claim, a second vengekill would only occur after a second mafia lynch, and the second mafia lynch is a white flag town win?
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What if ONE of the Masons comes forward? That way you have one conf town who will die, he can claim partner at l-1 and you don't have to fear lynching a mason as the one you know about will tell you.
Whats the advantage of 1 over both? If the 2nd ever dies due to vengekill, we've already won, right?
I'm not sure how to parse this. I guess you're saying that if they both claim, a second vengekill would only occur after a second mafia lynch, and the second mafia lynch is a white flag town win?
That is indeed what he's saying
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Exacto.
I think I want to vote for Insomniac.
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Ughhhh. Twelve hour naps are groggy.
My opinions on stuff that happened since then:
So do we have positions for everyone on the mason claiming issue?
For:
RobZ
Frisk
Against:
Eevee
Put me down for against. ...wait let's try this again. Put me down under the "against" column. Okay, that's better.
We were given this setup, let's see if wagons build on confirmed masons, and THEN they claim, and we could potentially see some truths.
Now that I read it again, SFS seems to have went out and FoSed people while completely ignoring the question at hand himself. (IC claiming)
Thoughts?
As far as scum-Grujah goes, I was his scumbuddy in MXII. One of his more notable stunts was that he claimed doctor without realizing that Cuzz had claimed doctor as well; he didn't pick up on it. Here he states that SFS ignored the mason question, when he actually did not. Not sure if that's something to fall on, but it's something nonetheless.
This entire response seems measuredly cool(or to use Sparky's word in #99 "blah"). You seem studiously unconcerned. You feel comfortable ending your quote of me with my bolded FoS of you, but open with a humorous comment about Robz that deflects my notice of you not reading the rules back onto Robz.
@Sparky: tell me more about your experience with scum-Grujah
I've seen him as scum in MXI and MXII.
MXI: #784
@Gloob - I voted cuz you just seemed standard-issue scumGlob that I've met in MIV. Your play here was exact mirror from MIV, and similar to MVI.
Bad thing is I don't have a townGloob to comare with.
Blah. Unvote
"Measurably cool" is a nice way of putting it.
MXII: #588
Quote from: Grujah on September 26, 2012, 11:32:14 pm
Quote from: jotheonah on September 26, 2012, 02:48:31 pm
Grujah looks a lot scummier after that little exchange with O, actually.
Only cuz I don't have O's meta. If O have done the same thing, he would get a pass. Meh.
Kinda drunk, don't wanna rush anything now, though I wanna keep an eye out for Cuzz.
Grujah, are you town? Tell us right now. WHy are you behaving so differently this game? You're scum, right?
Can't quote directly cause the thread is locked. Post was by Robz.
Whenever Grujah gets heat, he seems to respond in a "measurably cool" kind of way. Question is though, is this scummy for Grujah or is this just generic-Grujah. I've only played with him as town in MIX, and he didn't gain much heat that game because he was essentially conf-town to everyone not-Morgrim. If anyone would help me out here it would be appreciated.
There's a case. Everyone else is harder to read atm, though. I'll be rereading harder and see what I come up with.
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I'm here and sorry I'm late, I disagree with claiming the masons. It's a different setup and it deserves to be played differently. Being able to claim after a lynch is a huge advantage (if its a town lynch then it narrows the field, if its a scum lynch even better). And scum can't counter claim effectively because they have to out their entire team.
Why would scum have to out their entire team? That's three people who claim mason. There's only two of them.
How scum would fakeclaim mason; would two scum out themselves fakeclaiming the whole team, or would just one out himself to fakeclaim a mason calling one of the other masons a liar? Personally I think the latter is more likely.
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I'm here and sorry I'm late, I disagree with claiming the masons. It's a different setup and it deserves to be played differently. Being able to claim after a lynch is a huge advantage (if its a town lynch then it narrows the field, if its a scum lynch even better). And scum can't counter claim effectively because they have to out their entire team.
Why would scum have to out their entire team? That's three people who claim mason. There's only two of them.
How scum would fakeclaim mason; would two scum out themselves fakeclaiming the whole team, or would just one out himself to fakeclaim a mason calling one of the other masons a liar? Personally I think the latter is more likely.
Because if you pick one of the existing masons as your partner, the other 2 just say "nope you're an idiot"
If you pick one of your scum buddies as your partner, even if you leave the 3rd out of it, after you're exposed, the town lynches you and your buddy and game over.
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Yea the only way for scum to fakeclaim is outting 2 people which is a loss if town decides correctly whom to vote for.
Frisk, I promise you don't want to vote for me.
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Yea the only way for scum to fakeclaim is outting 2 people which is a loss if town decides correctly whom to vote for.
Frisk, I promise you don't want to vote for me.
Do you understand why I want to?
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
/facepalm
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Read the game setup, and then ask that question again.
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Yea the only way for scum to fakeclaim is outting 2 people which is a loss if town decides correctly whom to vote for.
Frisk, I promise you don't want to vote for me.
Do you understand why I want to?
The only reason I can think is you want claims
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sorry my mind after 12 hours of sleep is never in a good state of thinking. >_< I don't think fakeclaiming is something to worry about then, if it comes up then, well, I'll be shocked, but I think we could more easily pull it out than if they didn't fakeclaim. We lynch a mason, we immediately see that the other two are liars. Okay yeah, that's actually makes it really stupid to fakeclaim.
So given this, I still don't think masons should claim yet, but now I think if they claim before the end of Day 1 it would be optimal, so that it we lynch a mason accidentally it won't be game over.
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sorry my mind after 12 hours of sleep is never in a good state of thinking. >_< I don't think fakeclaiming is something to worry about then, if it comes up then, well, I'll be shocked, but I think we could more easily pull it out than if they didn't fakeclaim. We lynch a mason, we immediately see that the other two are liars. Okay yeah, that's actually makes it really stupid to fakeclaim.
So given this, I still don't think masons should claim yet, but now I think if they claim before the end of Day 1 it would be optimal, so that it we lynch a mason accidentally it won't be game over.
The only way to lynch a mason would be quick hammering scum, or stupidity caused by deadline.
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sorry my mind after 12 hours of sleep is never in a good state of thinking. >_< I don't think fakeclaiming is something to worry about then, if it comes up then, well, I'll be shocked, but I think we could more easily pull it out than if they didn't fakeclaim. We lynch a mason, we immediately see that the other two are liars. Okay yeah, that's actually makes it really stupid to fakeclaim.
So given this, I still don't think masons should claim yet, but now I think if they claim before the end of Day 1 it would be optimal, so that it we lynch a mason accidentally it won't be game over.
The only way to lynch a mason would be quick hammering scum, or stupidity caused by deadline.
This town is a derp if that does happen tbh, but it's not impossible so that's why I consdiered it. I've seen town do lots of derpy things :P
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.
Or you and he just co-ordinated this via daychat.
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Feel like saying why you want to vote for me Frisk?
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.
Or you and he just co-ordinated this via daychat.
YEah... well, I mean my question is "Does this look like a ploy?" It doesn't look like a ploy to me, which would suggest Grujah is town. Then again, scum Grujah is often woefully misinformed about the setup and claims and such.
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But maybe his partners realize that and are trying to take advantage of it.
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I think it's a compelling piece of evidence, and I wanted to see what other people think.
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I think we should see him explain himself. That is a fine example of a derp xD
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Feel like saying why you want to vote for me Frisk?
I do, but am concerned that it is anti town consensus to do so.
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.
[snarky comment]
You say that cuz you know what is discussed in scumQT, huh?
[/snarky comment]
No, I was reading last 2 pages and everybody are talking vengekill and I had no idea what it was. I should re-read now ;D
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Mechanics:
This game is Nightless.
This game uses a White Flag: town needs to lynch any two Mafia Goons to win.
Mafia have daytalk.
Masons have daytalk.
When the first Mafia Goon is lynched, they get a return kill at a town player.
Innocent Children are announced at the start of the game.
There you go. ;)
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.
[snarky comment]
You say that cuz you know what is discussed in scumQT, huh?
[/snarky comment]
No, I was reading last 2 pages and everybody are talking vengekill and I had no idea what it was. I should re-read now ;D
I know what it is because I have played setups that have vengekills like 4 times now.
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Worst reads:
Robz - He goes he seems to be trying to be have this cold, "most sensible in every situation" scummy vibe to sincere towny vibe.
Ins - comes late, takes a less favorable stance (no claim), pushes is with confidence. Could very well be sincere town, but to me it looks like a ploy to scor points.
Rest: Jimmmmm is heavy-neutral - that probably is not good. Sparky is grinding me, but if he's scum he's gonna slip sooner or later, from what I know of his scum play. Eevee is standard friendly Eevee that I cannot read too good but think of as town, Frisky is fine, active, bit low-key i think, but seems town. SFS is wishy-washy kinda? Dunno.
PPE: 2. @sparky - read it already.
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
Dude, you STILL haven't read the rules?
Mods: Please advise as to whether the next vote from anyone will count as a unique vote.
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Vote Count 1.2
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (1, u1): Grujah
Not Voting (6): Eevee, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, Robz888, sparky5856, SwitchedFromStarcraft
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
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As seen in the just posted latest vote count, unique votes are being counted.
Also, just over 24 hours until D1 ends.
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Unfair - that was an RVS vote!
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Ok, what is a vengekill?
If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.
Not necessarily. If his teammates assume he has read the setup, why would the topic come up this early in D1? Nobody's had any heat, and nobody's claimed.
So again I say: FoS: Robz
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Worst reads:
Robz - He goes he seems to be trying to be have this cold, "most sensible in every situation" scummy vibe to sincere towny vibe.
Ins - comes late, takes a less favorable stance (no claim), pushes is with confidence. Could very well be sincere town, but to me it looks like a ploy to scor points.
Rest: Jimmmmm is heavy-neutral - that probably is not good. Sparky is grinding me, but if he's scum he's gonna slip sooner or later, from what I know of his scum play. Eevee is standard friendly Eevee that I cannot read too good but think of as town, Frisky is fine, active, bit low-key i think, but seems town. SFS is wishy-washy kinda? Dunno.
PPE: 2. @sparky - read it already.
The first sentence has clearly been started, restarted, edited to death. Who edits their posts to death? Scum.
Vote: Grujah
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Unfair - that was an RVS vote!
With almost 24 hours to be unvoted. This is standard and consistent with previous games.
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Unfair - that was an RVS vote!
Mods: What changed between vote count 1.1 and 1.2 that led to votes moving from non-unique to unique?
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Apparently just the passage of time without any change.
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Unfair - that was an RVS vote!
With almost 24 hours to be unvoted. This is standard and consistent with previous games.
Except that some of us didn't really read previous games, this sucks.
@SFS - Semantics-schemantics again. He goes from trying to have this cold, "most sensible in every situation" scummy vibe to sincere towny vibe.
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I would say this whether I was affected by the change or not, but I think that from this:
Also, a quick reminder that unique votes will start to be counted at some point by mods.
it is not illogical to assume we might have been given notice. I recognize that this is a game where everyone draws inferences at there own peril, but still.
And then there is the notion that at least one other player feels (or felt) the same way:
Unique votes will only start mattering after ashersky announces RVS to be over, no worries.
and his assertion was not refuted by the mods. Just sayin'.
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Worst reads:
Robz - He goes he seems to be trying to be have this cold, "most sensible in every situation" scummy vibe to sincere towny vibe.
Ins - comes late, takes a less favorable stance (no claim), pushes is with confidence. Could very well be sincere town, but to me it looks like a ploy to scor points.
Rest: Jimmmmm is heavy-neutral - that probably is not good. Sparky is grinding me, but if he's scum he's gonna slip sooner or later, from what I know of his scum play. Eevee is standard friendly Eevee that I cannot read too good but think of as town, Frisky is fine, active, bit low-key i think, but seems town. SFS is wishy-washy kinda? Dunno.
PPE: 2. @sparky - read it already.
The first sentence has clearly been started, restarted, edited to death. Who edits their posts to death? Scum.
Vote: Grujah
This is a good point. Nice pick up.
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Unfair - that was an RVS vote!
With almost 24 hours to be unvoted. This is standard and consistent with previous games.
Except that some of us didn't really read previous games, this sucks.
@SFS - Semantics-schemantics again. He goes from trying to have this cold, "most sensible in every situation" scummy vibe to sincere towny vibe.
Care to share what this references (the "again")? I tend to call people out on unsupported assertions. I'm letting you know that, in case you don't really read previous games.
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Never mind, got it. Took it as a reference to me, and you were just polishing your scum sentence.
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Out for a few hours.
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I'm in phone mode. Still don't like insomniac
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Quiet frisk. Also unique votes aren't a big deal. I have a scum vibe from grujah and robz but oddly they are fighting and find each other scummy. Weakly mind you
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Quiet frisk. Also unique votes aren't a big deal. I have a scum vibe from grujah and robz but oddly they are fighting and find each other scummy. Weakly mind you
Interesting. Why scum on robz? I find him to be town
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Quiet frisk. Also unique votes aren't a big deal. I have a scum vibe from grujah and robz but oddly they are fighting and find each other scummy. Weakly mind you
Interesting. Why scum on robz? I find him to be town
You find him town because he agrees with you. I find him scummy because of how he's pushed the mason thing (its fine to think they should claim I disagree with how he pushed it. Also. His interactions with grujah I find them both to be acummy
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I find him town because he took a stance on the issue instead f being wushu washy like half of the other members
I find you scum because of your continued opposition despite robz and my push for it and what that implies about our roles
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I find him town because he took a stance on the issue instead f being wushu washy like half of the other members
I find you scum because of your continued opposition despite robz and my push for it and what that implies about our roles
I have no idea what the implication is, I think its pretty scummy to push for it this hard.
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Off to sleep.
Vote: Insomniac as per what I've said earlier, and his newer input only strengthened what I've thought.
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Vote: Insomniac
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Vote Count 1.3
Eevee (0, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (0, u1): Grujah
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (2, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Not Voting (5): Eevee, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, Robz888, sparky5856
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
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Unvote you fools
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Don't unvote. What are you afraid of? A triple scum quickhammer? Yeah, right.
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Where is Eevee?
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Don't unvote. What are you afraid of? A triple scum quickhammer? Yeah, right.
He is a little sensitive about this eh?
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Vote: Frisk he's voting me because he thinks I'm a mason that's a ridiculous reason to vote for someone
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Vote: Frisk he's voting me because he thinks I'm a mason that's a ridiculous reason to vote for someone
So now you can read some implications but not before?
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I knew what you were saying the entire time. I wanted you to come out and tell the town. If you think I'm Mason that's a horrible reason to vote for me period. Unless of course your scum
No personal attacks, guys. Mod-edited.
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I hate Christmas shopping. In for a few, then out again.
Sparky, Jim, Eevee - what do you think of the Robz/Grujah interactions so far.
Frisk - Why are you voting for insom? A vote with no reasons seems scummy.
And why do you need to know where Eevee is, as opposed to Sparky and Jim, the other folks that have said relatively little. If that's a call for folks online to be hear.
Robz - If insom is town, mafia can manipulate a (much later) tie breaker by running the unique count up here, then creating a tie for someone else later, at whatever number of votes is needed. The damage has already been done. So it's nice that you're not worried about an outright lynch, but the (still limited) damage is already done. You've played every game. You're smart enough to know this.
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Mod - don't be a sissy.
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Wow, a mod edit?
@Frisk - Do you think Insom is a Mason? If so, why?
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SFS, I have reasons, and you will all be treated to an essay in 1 hours time.
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Mod / Everyone - Wasn't insulting Frisk was insulting his idea because its awful and he's wasting time Mason Hunting instead of Scum Hunting
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Insomniac called me retarded
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Robz - If insom is town, mafia can manipulate a (much later) tie breaker by running the unique count up here, then creating a tie for someone else later, at whatever number of votes is needed. The damage has already been done. So it's nice that you're not worried about an outright lynch, but the (still limited) damage is already done. You've played every game. You're smart enough to know this.
Who cares? Thats "if" Insom is town, which I don't know. Somebody has to get lynched and it might as well be Insomniac, right?
... Now, if an IC were to say otherwise, it would mean something, but you're all against that.
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Well I just had my entire computer crash on me from Goko so I spent quite some time figuring out that dilemma with no answers. Now I have to eat dinner and do other errands, will respond to everything as soon as I can.
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Insomniac called me retarded
Meant your idea was retarded phone posting made it come across the other way.
Out of game - appologies if you were offended I don't think your retarded.
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Insomniac called me retarded
Edit he called my behavior retarded. Not nearly personal enough to offend
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Robz - If insom is town, mafia can manipulate a (much later) tie breaker by running the unique count up here, then creating a tie for someone else later, at whatever number of votes is needed. The damage has already been done. So it's nice that you're not worried about an outright lynch, but the (still limited) damage is already done. You've played every game. You're smart enough to know this.
Who cares? Thats "if" Insom is town, which I don't know. Somebody has to get lynched and it might as well be Insomniac, right?
... Now, if an IC were to say otherwise, it would mean something, but you're all against that.
More misrepresentation from Robz, unless all doesnt mean all. I'm on record as being undecided, in case your not reading the thread.
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Given I have a special needs kid, the term is especially offensive in this context.
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Frisk, I look forward to your essay. Be back in about an hour.
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@Ash. My apologies I did not intend to be harmful
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@Ash. My apologies I did not intend to be harmful
No worries, you couldn't know. Suggest we move on. There's blitz to be blitzed!
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So Frisk I want to see this essay I'm gonna be out and shopping for a bit now though, so uhmm don't lynch me guys.
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Vote Count 1.4
Eevee (0, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (0, u1): Grujah
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (2, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (1, u1): Insomniac
Not Voting (4): Eevee, Jimmmmm, Robz888, sparky5856
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
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...you know what, on second thought, time to play mafia.
I wanted to do one of these cause they're always fun:
Robz888: 20
Eevee: 23, but his last post was at 9:58 am
sparky5856: 16, including this post
Grujah: 13
Jimmmmm: 13, last post 11:57 am
Captain_Frisk: I'm not bothering to do you, we all know you're active.
Insomniac: 20, though he came here late, at 11:12 am
SwitchedFromStarcraft: 24
So, I'm being better than I usually am about posting very little, but I'm still below average. I'm doing this in response to this little bit:
And why do you need to know where Eevee is, as opposed to Sparky and Jim, the other folks that have said relatively little. If that's a call for folks online to be hear.
Out of all of us, Eevee is the lurkiest as of the past few hours, so that's why we're questioning where HE is. Jimmmmm and I has been inactive recently too though, me the least of the three but still not active enough. My concern is that you seem to be giving Eevee a pass here, and so I want to see if this is the case.
So that's that, obviously there's more to come but I wanted to get this out first.
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...you know what, on second thought, time to play mafia.
I wanted to do one of these cause they're always fun:
Robz888: 20
Eevee: 23, but his last post was at 9:58 am
sparky5856: 16, including this post
Grujah: 13
Jimmmmm: 13, last post 11:57 am
Captain_Frisk: I'm not bothering to do you, we all know you're active.
Insomniac: 20, though he came here late, at 11:12 am
SwitchedFromStarcraft: 24
So, I'm being better than I usually am about posting very little, but I'm still below average. I'm doing this in response to this little bit:
And why do you need to know where Eevee is, as opposed to Sparky and Jim, the other folks that have said relatively little. If that's a call for folks online to be hear.
Out of all of us, Eevee is the lurkiest as of the past few hours, so that's why we're questioning where HE is. Jimmmmm and I has been inactive recently too though, me the least of the three but still not active enough. My concern is that you seem to be giving Eevee a pass here, and so I want to see if this is the case.
So that's that, obviously there's more to come but I wanted to get this out first.
Eevee is not on EST/PST likely he is asleep right now, same for Jimmmmmmm
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Everything always happens while I'm asleep! Catching up now.
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So - first up: theory.
The game that this is based on is no worse than a fair game to town.
Town has at its disposal - the ability to guarantee a 50% win rate (lynching randomly - driven by ICs). Scum doesn't have this opportunity available to it. If town does not take this option, its because they believe they can do better than 50/50.
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...you know what, on second thought, time to play mafia.
I wanted to do one of these cause they're always fun:
Robz888: 20
Eevee: 23, but his last post was at 9:58 am
sparky5856: 16, including this post
Grujah: 13
Jimmmmm: 13, last post 11:57 am
Captain_Frisk: I'm not bothering to do you, we all know you're active.
Insomniac: 20, though he came here late, at 11:12 am
SwitchedFromStarcraft: 24
So, I'm being better than I usually am about posting very little, but I'm still below average. I'm doing this in response to this little bit:
And why do you need to know where Eevee is, as opposed to Sparky and Jim, the other folks that have said relatively little. If that's a call for folks online to be hear.
Out of all of us, Eevee is the lurkiest as of the past few hours, so that's why we're questioning where HE is. Jimmmmm and I has been inactive recently too though, me the least of the three but still not active enough. My concern is that you seem to be giving Eevee a pass here, and so I want to see if this is the case.
So that's that, obviously there's more to come but I wanted to get this out first.
Eevee is not on EST/PST likely he is asleep right now, same for Jimmmmmmm
Yeah, but he's been quiet all afternoon it seems.
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...you know what, on second thought, time to play mafia.
I wanted to do one of these cause they're always fun:
Robz888: 20
Eevee: 23, but his last post was at 9:58 am
sparky5856: 16, including this post
Grujah: 13
Jimmmmm: 13, last post 11:57 am
Captain_Frisk: I'm not bothering to do you, we all know you're active.
Insomniac: 20, though he came here late, at 11:12 am
SwitchedFromStarcraft: 24
So, I'm being better than I usually am about posting very little, but I'm still below average. I'm doing this in response to this little bit:
And why do you need to know where Eevee is, as opposed to Sparky and Jim, the other folks that have said relatively little. If that's a call for folks online to be hear.
Out of all of us, Eevee is the lurkiest as of the past few hours, so that's why we're questioning where HE is. Jimmmmm and I has been inactive recently too though, me the least of the three but still not active enough. My concern is that you seem to be giving Eevee a pass here, and so I want to see if this is the case.
So that's that, obviously there's more to come but I wanted to get this out first.
Eevee is not on EST/PST likely he is asleep right now, same for Jimmmmmmm
What time zone is Eevee in?
First! This time I don't claim VT.
This should be quite a bit better for town than the previous setup.
There seem to be differing opinions on the subject. I personally think it's close / don't know, so I would prefer if the actual masons hashed it out in their QT and decided themselves. That way it at least won't be scum-affected. Thoughts?
I'm with robz on this one. How did scum win in 6? Anything notable?
No, nothing special at all happened. Right, Insomniac?
The one who sticks out to me most atm is Grujah; his "blah" attitude reminds me of scum-Grujah. Where did your initial scum vibe on Frisk come from Eevee? He was the one who proposed the mason debate. It's a possibility that scum is trying to out the masons early, but the opposite scenario is plausible as well.
Mason talk came kind of fast, which could meant that he had already been planning this in the QT before posting. Not a lot, I know. Also I got the impression he was ready to be here to talk about sports with SfS without really giving any comments to any other issues, but reread proved that to be a false statement.
So, just to be clear, I'm totally neutral on Frisk's alignment this far. Hasn't played townier or scummier than average, I don't think.
Based on these timestamps, he should have been here these past couple hours.
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Essay continued:
This game has the ability to revert back to the other game with 1 caveat: the ICs would have daychat (added bonus). The Masons can claim without fear of counterclaim, because a counterclaim by scum on day 1 guarantees loss for them.
If the masons don't claim, these are the ramifications:
1. They might both live to day 2, preserving their daychat
2. We might waste time on day 1 prosecuting masons
3. Vanilla townies have no sources of confirmed town reads
In a day 1 town lynch scenario: scum can claim / counterclaim mason on day 2 and get a 75% win chance. (50% chance of winning on day 2, 50% chance of winning on day 3) = 0.5 + 0.5*(0.5)
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Is there any advantage for masons to decide to have completely differing opinions on how to claim? My inclination is that they at least wouldn't have completely opposed opinions.
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So - IMHO it is correct to claim. RobZ also feels its correct to claim.
Clearly, if either of us were masons, we would have done so. RobZ's willingness to take a stand makes him VT in my book. Everyone else with the exception of insomniac has been wishy washy. I am also vanilla town.
Insomniac is a clever fellow. He knows that neither RobZ or I are masons from our behavior. This gives scum the advantage of being able to narrow down who the masons are, while RobZ and I have no comparable advantage - because we can't daychat, but scum can.
Now - if Insomniac is a mason (which i admit is a possibility), then he knows that competent scum have already narrowed masonhood down to him, and 2 other townies. At this point - he SHOULD CLAIM, rather than having us waste time, and possibly let scum get a vengekill on him.
He's been SOFT CLAIMING today so hard that any savvy scum should know this as well.
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Just did a quick re-read of Insom. Most of his posts seem to be short/one-liners and although he's had a reasonable number of posts, he hasn't really said much other than "Robz and Grujah seem scummy but they're fighting oh well". Also seems to be quite defensive, which is reminding me of someone who flipped scum in another game.
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Whoop, finally time for my Tournament match. Wish me luck!
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Now - if the masons announce, then I (as town) can focus my attention on 4 individuals, rather than 6. I'd even go so far as to say that I feel like we've won, as long as RobZ isn't a mason who's doing something crazy, because in the vein of the other games, he'd be my top town read right now.
If the masons claimed right now, I'd without hesitation lynch 1,2,3 on whoever isn't {RobZ + Masons}
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Now - if the masons announce, then I (as town) can focus my attention on 4 individuals, rather than 6. I'd even go so far as to say that I feel like we've won, as long as RobZ isn't a mason who's doing something crazy, because in the vein of the other games, he'd be my top town read right now.
If the masons claimed right now, I'd without hesitation lynch 1,2,3 on whoever isn't {RobZ + Masons}
To makes sure this is clear.
If I assume RobZ is vanilla town, and 2 other people are masons, then there are 3 scum amoung the remaining 4 people. We can afford 1 mislynch, so game over QED.
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Thoughts on Frisk and the Robz/Grujah thing when after I finish.
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And insomniac, if you are a mason as you have been soft claming, then voting me is not only stupid, but opposing claiming is a bad idea because your crumbs were hellaobv.
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Essay complete. I'm going to post count and reread the wishy washy folks and figure out who's scum. Excited about this blitz.
Ashersky - I'm sorry for calling you a sissy, and not knowing yoru situation. The reason why I oppose mod intervention is because you've effectively mod confirmed that Insomniac and I are not on the same team (at least knowingly)... since if I was scum with him you'd probably just let us go because you'd know that it wasn't possibly personal.
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1 - Robz888 - 21
2 - Eevee - 25
3 - sparky5856 - 20
4 - Grujah - 14
5 - Jimmmmm - 19
6 - Captain_Frisk - 50 (42 if you want to discount my recent essay / rant)
7 - Insomniac - 50
8 - SwitchedFromStarcraft - 28
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Frisk has the right of it--I am also a VT.
I do believe Frisk to be town. If he's right about Insomniac... well, we win.
Masons?
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I wouldn't account someone as definite town just because they have similar opinions to that of yours. I can't get my thoughts organized, but Robz has done both scummy and towny things in my book; he's still a scum possibility. #70 is his most notable post, I'll post my thoughts on that.
I'm amazed at how fast this day has gone O_o I think we're far enough in now that claiming would be the optimal move. Now that at least some accusations have been brewing, they can claim, not waste more time, and we all can see some truths.
Grujah I REALLY want to vote for now, #1 scum + LaLL
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Grujah (14):
- weekly opposes massclaim
- doesn't know rules
- votes for insomniac
Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (19)
- weakly opposes massclaim
- hops on eevee's let the ICs decide
- starts to put a little suspicion on insomniac after grujah and I have voted
Sparky (20)
- thinks that keeping both masons alive would be super powerful
- wants to implement lall (after discussion about how it wrongly lynched Cuzz in last game)
- does a post count - realizes that he's a lurker
RobZ (21):
- supports massclaim
- doesn't say much else
- suspects grujah
- buddies SFS for catching something on grujah
- very low post count for RobZ
Eevee (25)
- wishy washy on massclaim. Wants someone else to simulate
- thought he had me as scummy
- mild suspicion of sfs
- thinks Ics should decide whether to claim
SFS (28)
- mild lead toward claim.
- votes grujah
- > 10% of his posts are "going away for X hours"
Insomniac (50)
-Already covered him. Either a mason who isn't being protown, or scum who really didn't want me to post what I just did.
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I bet the scum QT is on fire right now.
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I wouldn't account someone as definite town just because they have similar opinions to that of yours. I can't get my thoughts organized, but Robz has done both scummy and towny things in my book; he's still a scum possibility. #70 is his most notable post, I'll post my thoughts on that.
I'm amazed at how fast this day has gone O_o I think we're far enough in now that claiming would be the optimal move. Now that at least some accusations have been brewing, they can claim, not waste more time, and we all can see some truths.
Grujah I REALLY want to vote for now, #1 scum + LaLL
It's not that he has similar opinions - its that he has strong opinions.
I would give insomniac a pass if RobZ and my strong opinions didn't out us as clearly "not masons", which then makes the whole purpose of keeping masons a secret a bad idea.
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IMO I have not been soft claiming. However at this pint I will hard claim since frisk refuses to let me play his game the right way. I am one of the masons. If we lose I blame frisk
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IMO I have not been soft claiming. However at this pint I will hard claim since frisk refuses to let me play his game the right way. I am one of the masons. If we lose I blame frisk
Unvote
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IMO I have not been soft claiming. However at this pint I will hard claim since frisk refuses to let me play his game the right way. I am one of the masons. If we lose I blame frisk
What is the right way?
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post #70:
Like, maybe I can build a case on Grujah now. Grujah used a stupid excuse to put a vote on me, in this hasty setup where votes flying everywhere isn't so good. And he's wrong on the claiming argument, whatever. So I have this case on him. Now I would try to convince Eevee and other people, that's how it works.
Grujah flying votes around is consistent with the fact that he's not aware of how this game works. Instead of actually building a case on Grujah, though, he build a hypothetical situation where he WOULD claim Grujah barring the existance of the masons. This I can see town-Robz doing.
But if Grujah is IC... we're never actually going to get to the point of killing him (he'll claim before that), and this is all wasted discussion on someone who is not a viable candidate for lynch.
Now, ICs leading the discussion (while having their own private discussion) is I think something that will work nice. I was IC with Jimm in the last game, and I would have loved to explain to him the traps I was setting for suspects when I asked people to answer questions.
Experience; that's also in his favor. There is the possibility that he would do all of this just for town points though.
Obviously, they can still do this, sort of... but I do like the IC-led discussion format (and I think it will be greatly advantaged by their daychat), and I think it will be the best thing here. Better than blind man accusations.
Well, if everyone disagrees I'll drop it.
That last sentence is the scummiest of the post; inclination to drop things on account of everyone else wanting it in order to avoid suspicion is a scummy act. But the logic of this post is overall sound, he has the upper hand against Grujah.
Bussing is possible, but I need more evidence to be convinced of that though (and the other way too).
PPE: I'm a lurker at heart. Post count was to see if my disease improved in any way. Somewhat, but not much.
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Vote Count 1.5
Eevee (0, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (0, u1): Grujah
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (1, u1): Insomniac
Not Voting (4): Eevee, Jimmmmm, Robz888, sparky5856
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
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IMO I have not been soft claiming. However at this pint I will hard claim since frisk refuses to let me play his game the right way. I am one of the masons. If we lose I blame frisk
Are you going to help a brother out and clear the other IC so that we can focus on scum?
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@Frisk to claim on day 2 as I've been saying all along. I would have played this exactly the same as a vt. I did not breadcrumb or soft claim imo
I can't get to my day chat but my partner should NOT claim
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My top suspects at this point would be Grujah and Jimmmmmmmmm, both lurkers, both throwing suspicion on insomniac. I'd go eevee for #3.
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Sorry guys, won't have much more time to post here tonight. I agree with everything Frisk says though.
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Just checked though, we have time, okay good.
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and insomniac - there's no reason for your partner to not come forward. you will be the vengekill anyway.
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and insomniac - there's no reason for your partner to not come forward. you will be the vengekill anyway.
His partner HAS to come forward. If Insomniac gets vengekilled, there will be no one left alive to confirm the other mason when that person does claim.
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My top suspects at this point would be Grujah and Jimmmmmmmmm, both lurkers, both throwing suspicion on insomniac. I'd go eevee for #3.
Just about to ask you lol
At this point, why leave one mason unclaimed? Let's get this on.
Robz you're gonna be going against your LaLL :(
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and insomniac - there's no reason for your partner to not come forward. you will be the vengekill anyway.
Ill confirm at l-1
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I think Rob and frisk are wrong on claiming and that's why I don't want my partner to claim now stop fishing and start scum hunting
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I think Rob and frisk are wrong on claiming and that's why I don't want my partner to claim now stop fishing and start scum hunting
Okay well, who are the scum?
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I think Rob and frisk are wrong on claiming and that's why I don't want my partner to claim now stop fishing and start scum hunting
Do you think that either of is are scum?
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Insomniac, if we lynch someone and that person ends up being scum, you will simply be depriving us of the knowledge of who the other Mason is!
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And it's not Ike you are protecting them. Of the players remaining you are the obvious vengekilled anywy
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Eevee has been on since his last post, why not post?
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Obv scum is obv?
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Finished the Tournament match. ednever came back from 3-1 to beat me. :(
My top suspects at this point would be Grujah and Jimmmmmmmmm, both lurkers, both throwing suspicion on insomniac. I'd go eevee for #3.
I agree I haven't posted much since I went to bed last night. But I think I've been pretty active during the times that I've been online (ie not asleep) and not playing in a tournament match.
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I agree that Insom's partner has no reason not to claim now. There's a much bigger difference between 0 and 1 Masons claiming and 1 and 2. Scum now have a target to vengekill. Plus, both claiming makes it absolutely certain that it's not a fakeclaim, since scum cannot doubleclaim.
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So - first up: theory.
The game that this is based on is no worse than a fair game to town.
Town has at its disposal - the ability to guarantee a 50% win rate (lynching randomly - driven by ICs). Scum doesn't have this opportunity available to it. If town does not take this option, its because they believe they can do better than 50/50.
Or because we think we are being manipulated into it, but I'll hold further comment until I read "the essay".
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Just did a re-read on Frisk. Almost all of his content has been Mason and/or theory related, and he's clearly been trying to manipulate the Masons into claiming. I suppose this could come from a Townie thinking he knows what's best, but it seems a little off to me. Insom, other than feeling put out for being forced to do something you didn't want to do, what do you think of Frisk's focus on Masons and theory?
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Just re-read Eevee. Posted a lot, then this:
I like to post what I think. Especially on a blitz setup I think it's important to keep things moving.
If I ever get spammy though, just tell me and I'll start to self-filter.
Then a couple more posts, then died. Not a peep. Hasn't contributed anything non-theory-related other than a null read on Frisk, but I suppose that's fair enough given he was active mostly during RVS. Would like to hear from him.
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Now - if the masons announce, then I (as town) can focus my attention on 4 individuals, rather than 6. I'd even go so far as to say that I feel like we've won, as long as RobZ isn't a mason who's doing something crazy, because in the vein of the other games, he'd be my top town read right now.
If the masons claimed right now, I'd without hesitation lynch 1,2,3 on whoever isn't {RobZ + Masons}
Does that include you? Not caught up, but I'm starting to hope he is a mason, and calls for your demise as a policy lynch. If he is, you've effectively outed him with your line of posting, thereby ensuring that the game is played according to your preference. That's no pro-town play, regardless of you maths, because the "let's claim" faction never got above 2 (you and Robz) out of 8.
Plus, if your reasoning about the mod edit is correct, then if Insomniac IS a mason, you're scum. Yeah, I'm gonna like this game A LOT.
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I bet the scum QT is on fire right now.
Nicely played
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I'm a little worried about a Frisk/Robz scumteam. I dunno, I suppose it's a bold move by Frisk to call Robz out as Town if this is the case. On the other hand, if they're scum and we believe Frisk's "Anyone but Robz and Masons (and me)" plan, then we lose.
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And Frisk, if you're Town I'd be a bit more careful giving anyone (other than ICs/confirmed Masons) the type of IC status you seem to be suggesting we give Robz. In Blitz VI we were giving that to shraeye for a lot of the game, who of course turned out to be scum.
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Okay, sorry guys. Had a surprise-house party, didn't get online all day (except for opening the forums out of habit a couple of times when switching music or something, didn't read anything until now). Dedication to the game though, it's 5:30 am and I'm drunk and just read through 6 pages and commenting now.
Sparky, it's unfair to call me a lurker if I just haven't been online. I did the best I could to contribute when I was still online. That being said, sorry I missed the last 24 hours. First 5 were because of sleeping, the following 19 were because of going christmas shopping and then having people over.
Jimmmm, I posted that and then didn't come to the forums. I do apologize again or missing a day, these are critical I know.
Don't really have an opinion on the Robz-Grujah issue (SORRY I DONT), however I was expecting Insomniac to claim mason for quite a few pages. You should really just out your buddy asap, prolonging it serves no purpose whatsoever. Isn't me, finally I get to claim VT!
Vote: SfS. I feel my gut reads him pretty well. Don't really have any other reads (except for obviously trusting Insomniac). Going to sleeps now, I'll wake up in 7 hours or so, will have stuff happening tomorrow as well but should have limited computer availability and will at least check stuff from phone as often as I can which should be enough. Actually planned an IRL-mafia event with the family for the evening, I pressume they'll kill me early so often I'll have a lot of time to post then, probably on other times too. Iirc the deadline will be like 3am for me which is really good, should be almost guaranteed to be nonstop online for the last 3 hours at least as well.
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And Frisk, if you're Town I'd be a bit more careful giving anyone (other than ICs/confirmed Masons) the type of IC status you seem to be suggesting we give Robz. In Blitz VI we were giving that to shraeye for a lot of the game, who of course turned out to be scum.
Frisk is smarter than to think Robz is obvtown at this point.
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Vote Count 1.6
Eevee (0, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (0, u1): Grujah
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (1, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (1, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (4): Captain_Frisk, Jimmmmm, Robz888, sparky5856
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
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Just checked though, we have time, okay good.
So you haven't read the thread, and thought we were close to deadline?
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And Frisk, if you're Town I'd be a bit more careful giving anyone (other than ICs/confirmed Masons) the type of IC status you seem to be suggesting we give Robz. In Blitz VI we were giving that to shraeye for a lot of the game, who of course turned out to be scum.
Frisk is smarter than to think Robz is obvtown at this point.
Wow, so much misdirection, or not reading critically. Frisk has pretty much said that Robz is obvTown.
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And Frisk, if you're Town I'd be a bit more careful giving anyone (other than ICs/confirmed Masons) the type of IC status you seem to be suggesting we give Robz. In Blitz VI we were giving that to shraeye for a lot of the game, who of course turned out to be scum.
Frisk is smarter than to think Robz is obvtown at this point.
So he wants us to think he think Robz is obvTown?
I'll give SFS a reread when I have time, but I don't think that's going to be now, gotta go out and do Christmas shopping.
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Man, I don't know. Yeah, I gotta go. Kind of hoping the other Mason has claimed by the time I get back, just to clear things up for me a little.
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I think Rob and frisk are wrong on claiming and that's why I don't want my partner to claim now stop fishing and start scum hunting
Do you think that either of is are scum?
Note haven't read past this yet. But I think there's a good chance at least one of you is
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Just did a re-read on Frisk. Almost all of his content has been Mason and/or theory related, and he's clearly been trying to manipulate the Masons into claiming. I suppose this could come from a Townie thinking he knows what's best, but it seems a little off to me. Insom, other than feeling put out for being forced to do something you didn't want to do, what do you think of Frisk's focus on Masons and theory?
As I've said I think he might be scum and he forced me to claim. I think thats scummy.
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Wow, Frisk, I'm really disappointed. And I'm going to go against Insom's advice and claim. I am the other Mason. (Sorry Insom, but if I don't claim, Frisk will waste the next half day arguing that my last X posts have been softclaiming, and then we are deeper into nowhere. Plus, if we lose, you can blame me and Frisk.) Frisk, since you and your buddy Robz were so damn insistent, you are about to get some full-on IC leadership. Tonight the role of IC-Shraeye is going to be played by SFS.
Frisk, since you and Robz have wasted more than half of day 1 mason hunting instead of scum hunting, you've been proven right about time be wasted. Good on ya. You know, you could have just have posted up front "We should claim, I'll find a way to make it happen, Insom is softclaiming anyway, he's a mason, so lets be done with this and move on". Your first assignment: give me the math on what the town chances are chances are if I demand a Frisk policy lynch and you flip town. I think someone (maybe you) has posted that if both masons claim, we can afford one mislynch. Please confirm whether that is correct or incorrect, because I'm seriously considering it. You feel so utterly scummy to me right now.
Sparky, Jimm, Eevee, Grujah, Robz - Tell me who we should lynch and why. You only get one name, and I want reasons. No equivocating, you have to give me a name. Eevee: I repeat, no equivocating.
Robz, you get a second assignment because you left class early. Assignment #2: If your only choices today are lynching Grujah and Eevee, who do you pick and why. If either of these two names were the name you picked for Assignment #1 above, then answer the question for the other name in that pair. Assignment 3: Convince me not to policy lynch Frisk.
Ok, go get busy everybody. Time's a wastin'.
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Plus, if your reasoning about the mod edit is correct, then if Insomniac IS a mason, you're scum. Yeah, I'm gonna like this game A LOT.
Not necessarily.
Essay complete. I'm going to post count and reread the wishy washy folks and figure out who's scum. Excited about this blitz.
Ashersky - I'm sorry for calling you a sissy, and not knowing yoru situation. The reason why I oppose mod intervention is because you've effectively mod confirmed that Insomniac and I are not on the same team (at least knowingly)... since if I was scum with him you'd probably just let us go because you'd know that it wasn't possibly personal.
Also, if we hit a scum today, there's gonna be no way to confirm the other mason. Insomniac absolutely needs to confirm his other buddy, at LEAST before the day ends.
I'm not gonna provide much input the rest of the day, sleep time is coming up. I'm most comfortable with my scum read on Grujah, with mostly neutral reads on everyone else. SFS seems to enjoy picking out flaws when he's made a few himself, so I'm wary of him atm. If he's the other mason, then... I suck at this game. xD
Someone please help me on reading Frisk, his plays could go either way. Would be helpful to see his reaction to #271, the part I quoted above.
PPE: SFS claimed, I'll respond in a separate post.
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unvote, lol my gut. sorry SfS.
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Don't be sorry, do the work.
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Equivocating, cool word! Had to look that up.
I had one read I felt was okay, it obviously wasn't. I feel bad about staring at the vote count and trying to pick of something of the names and just drawing blanks. Especially because an IC asked me to give a name and a reason. Especially x2 because I feel I'm one of the top scum reads for said IC.
My name is not Frisk, because he is posting a bunch so will be giving us information to work with later as well. Usually I'd think taking controversial positions is a town tell, but Frisk would be ballsy enough to do that as scum, I think.
I'm going to go with Grujah. IC-SfS is suspecting him and he feels like the dude we nailed in Robz's mega game.
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SFS seems to enjoy picking out flaws when he's made a few himself, so I'm wary of him atm. If he's the other mason, then... I suck at this game. xD
I don't pick out flaws, I report out on things that stand out to me.
And, this is a hard game. Not as hard as Puerto Rico, but hard. ;)
Suggestion, shift your wariness of me to Frisk. And do your homework assignment.
And brush your teeth before bed. :)
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The work probably refers to rereading. Will do that to Grujah now.
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I'm going to bed. I'll have papers to grade in the morning.
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I'm already in bed (couch), and didnt brush my teeth. I never do when I drink which is actually super weird. I literally think "nah, youve been drinking, it's fine if you dont", which makes no sense.
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Quick reread skipping a lot posts also left me suspecting Jimmmm and sparky for flying under the radar. But jimmm's posts had some towny elements he either is faking well or are genuine (little things like wanting the other mason to clear to make reading easier and stuff), so sparky to the suspicion list with Grujah. not overly confident on either.
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Okay so taking on faith that what Frisk said about him and Robz being VT is true, we CAN afford one mislynch. There will be 3 goons in four people, and if even if we mislynch once we'll have a guaranteed victory. This is a VERY risky play though, because the fact that ONE person who claimed VT thinks that another person is obvtown doesn't add a whole lot. There's this thing called truth.
How about this, if we lynch Frisk, he flips town, we can believe what he said about the 3 goons in four people. Except that that includes me, so, three goons in three people, there you go! Game solved! Except... what if Frisk was wrong about Robz. Ugh. I mean, lynching Frisk would still give a MUCH clearer picture on how to proceed, in my opinion. If he's scum, then Robz is prob-scum.
Worst case scenario now is if Frisk is town and Robz is scum. two goons out of three not including me. It'll be about a 33% chance for success, ugh. Robz is not scum, three goons out of three, 100% chance for success. Now that I like.
I mean, I don't like those 33% odds, but if Frisk and Robz are scum and we take their word, it's game over. Which means, yeah we have to policy lynch one of them. Frisk being scum and Robz being town makes the least sense out of everything. So, I think lynching Frisk is a fine idea. Does all that make sense? I don't wanna get yelled at if this a lame reason for lynching, but I've been thinking through this pretty hard and feel it's the nicest way to proceed.
And brush your teeth before bed. :)
NO. >_<
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it doesnt make sense. frisk shouldn't know anything you dont.
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honestly. im leaving my vote on frisk. hd wastef a bunch of the game day trying to force masons to claim even though alot of us disagreed with that policy
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To me it looks like CF/Robz are pulling up an organized gamble, which I wouldn't find beyond any of their capabilities given that they have daychat.
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Wow, Frisk, I'm really disappointed. And I'm going to go against Insom's advice and claim. I am the other Mason. (Sorry Insom, but if I don't claim, Frisk will waste the next half day arguing that my last X posts have been softclaiming, and then we are deeper into nowhere. Plus, if we lose, you can blame me and Frisk.) Frisk, since you and your buddy Robz were so damn insistent, you are about to get some full-on IC leadership. Tonight the role of IC-Shraeye is going to be played by SFS.
Frisk, since you and Robz have wasted more than half of day 1 mason hunting instead of scum hunting, you've been proven right about time be wasted. Good on ya. You know, you could have just have posted up front "We should claim, I'll find a way to make it happen, Insom is softclaiming anyway, he's a mason, so lets be done with this and move on". Your first assignment: give me the math on what the town chances are chances are if I demand a Frisk policy lynch and you flip town. I think someone (maybe you) has posted that if both masons claim, we can afford one mislynch. Please confirm whether that is correct or incorrect, because I'm seriously considering it. You feel so utterly scummy to me right now.
Sparky, Jimm, Eevee, Grujah, Robz - Tell me who we should lynch and why. You only get one name, and I want reasons. No equivocating, you have to give me a name. Eevee: I repeat, no equivocating.
Robz, you get a second assignment because you left class early. Assignment #2: If your only choices today are lynching Grujah and Eevee, who do you pick and why. If either of these two names were the name you picked for Assignment #1 above, then answer the question for the other name in that pair. Assignment 3: Convince me not to policy lynch Frisk.
Ok, go get busy everybody. Time's a wastin'.
Assignment #1: Grujah. Mistake-prone Grujah (what are vengekills?) is scum Grujah.
Assignment #2: Grujah, for the above reason. I would probably lynch sparky sooner than Eevee. I don't know what scum!Eevee looks like, but what I've seen so far is town!Eevee.
Assignment #3: Policy lynch him? You should be thanking him. He was right about the argument! And now we've effectively narrowed down the scum to a pool of Jimm, Eevee, sparky, and Grujah. And 3 of those 4 people are scum! Hooray, we win. And you want to policy lynch the guy?
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The reason I don't think this is a gambit from Frisk is because it doesn't really help him. If he is scum, well, he's convinced you all to consider 4 people, 2 of whom are scum. That's... not great for him.
So I think from your guys' perspectives, either Frisk and I are both scum, or neither of us are. From my perspective, it makes no sense for Frisk to be scum. From Frisk's perspective... actually I think he should probably have a sort of harder time ruling me out as scum.
I hope that if you kill one of us, you absolutely do not kill the other one (assuming the person you kill flips town--I know I will flip town, and I am highly confident that Frisk will).
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I'm really not comfortable with how buddy-buddy Robz and Frisk are. Last time we saw something like this was Eevee and shraeye in Blitz VI and of course shraeye was scum. I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that they are both the other Townies. I guess that would leave us with a {Grujah, Eevee, sparky} scumteam. I think out of those three the biggest scumread I've had would be Grujah, and out of Robz and Frisk, probably Frisk. Man, I really don't know how to read Robz, but I don't think Frisk has been particularly pro-Town.
SFS, this doesn't count as my homework, need to do some rereading first.
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Just did a re-read of Frisk. He's just kind of not really coming across that genuine to me. Other than #242 which seem to have "reads" for the sake of reads (they're not really reads, just seems like a half-hearted attempt at analysis), he hasn't really contributed much other than force the Masons out of hiding and give Robz pretty much IC status.
The more I think about it, the more the Frisk/Robz thing is bothering me. What are the chances that we have two experienced Townies who are BOTH naming another Townie as obvTown? It just strikes me as weird.
What do we think of a possible {Frisk, Robz, Grujah} scumteam? Could it be their plan to lynch Grujah first (thus the early arguments between Robz and Grujah), to cement Robz and Frisk'z "IC" status, and making it easy for them to pick off two Townies after that? It would make sense given Frisk's "lynch anyone who is in {Grujah, Jimmmmm, Eevee, sparky}" attitude.
Again, SFS, the homework is still coming. Off to have dinner now, after I come back I'll do some reads of Grujah and Robz, and the others if I have time, and see what I can come up with.
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Assignment #1: Grujah. Mistake-prone Grujah (what are vengekills?) is scum Grujah.
Funny how yesterday that SAME COMMENT made me a obvtown by your assessment.
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Okay, dinner went later than I thought, and I'm just about to go to work (night shift). I'll probably be able to post some while I'm at work, but for now I just don't have time for any more reading.
At this stage, I would support a Mason-led Grujah lynch, because he's come across pretty scummy all game, for reasons that have mostly been covered by others. However, my priority would be Frisk, because I think it's a very real possibility that he and Robz are scumbuddies and if we believe them then we just lost the game. Obviously Robz fits in here too, and I would support a Robz lynch as well, but I think Frisk would be my priority for the reasons I mentioned above, and Robz is Robz as Town or scum as far as I know.
So SFS, my top priority would be Frisk.
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@SFS's homework Robz.
Followed by Frisk, Jimmmm, you, Eevee and than sparky.
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Just clarifying that last bit about Robz, Robz is always loud and opinionated and would naturally come across as scummy to me, until I realised that's just Robz. So I have more of a scumread on Frisk.
I'm off to work.
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@SFS's homework Robz.
Followed by Frisk, Jimmmm, you, Eevee and than sparky.
Sorry what? You'd rather lynch a confirmed Town than Eevee or sparky?
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Wow, Frisk, I'm really disappointed. And I'm going to go against Insom's advice and claim. I am the other Mason. (Sorry Insom, but if I don't
Frisk, since you and Robz have wasted more than half of day 1 mason hunting instead of scum hunting, you've been proven right about time be wasted.
No - I've just saved myself from thinking that you and Insomniac are damn scummy.
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All right - for homework for the non ICs.
Who are your top 2 scumreads, and who would you bet the game on is town?
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And insomniac/SFS, I know you guys think I'm scummy and maybe this game "deserved" to play otherwise, but for myself and the other 2 VTs, you've just made this game manageable. (needing to find 3 scum in 5 instead of 7)
I might have gone for eevee's reasoning on SFS, and wasted more time.
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Wow, Frisk, I'm really disappointed. And I'm going to go against Insom's advice and claim. I am the other Mason. (Sorry Insom, but if I don't
Frisk, since you and Robz have wasted more than half of day 1 mason hunting instead of scum hunting, you've been proven right about time be wasted.
No - I've just saved myself from thinking that you and Insomniac are damn scummy.
WTF did you just do to that quote? I'm sorry, but I think that is not cool.
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Wow, Frisk, I'm really disappointed. And I'm going to go against Insom's advice and claim. I am the other Mason. (Sorry Insom, but if I don't
Frisk, since you and Robz have wasted more than half of day 1 mason hunting instead of scum hunting, you've been proven right about time be wasted.
No - I've just saved myself from thinking that you and Insomniac are damn scummy.
WTF did you just do to that quote? I'm sorry, but I think that is not cool.
? I just snipped out the relevant bit where he accuses me of wasting half a day...
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Oh you're right I'm sorry. I thought you had changed it to say "you've been proven right" to make your own point. I apologise and take that back.
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Absolutely would not bet the game on anyone but myself, SfS or Ins being town. Frisk, if you are town reallllly consider the ic status you are giving Robz. Top two scum reads sparky and Grujah I guess, but I think it's likely one at least of Frisk and Robz is scum.
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@SFS's homework Robz.
Followed by Frisk, Jimmmm, you, Eevee and than sparky.
Who is the "you" in the second list? SFS?
Where are the reasons that I specifically asked for?
Why did you list 5 names and a pronoun when I specifically asked for only one name?
In the face of the last question, do you consider the listing of more than one name a form of equivocation, which I specifically disallowed?
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Frisk, why did you vote for Insomniac? I asked this in a previous post - you've not answered.
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Frisk, why did you vote for Insomniac? I asked this in a previous post - you've not answered.
Because i thought he was either scum, or playing very poorly.
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Yeah, I forgot you are the second Mason. And cool down, what's with the attitude?
I gave you my first pick name, and I've reasoned it few times before, some you even quoted.
He seem to take this cold stance, where he is level-headed about everything - it seems fake. As well as this "we are both VTs" ploy, and him quoting same thing I've said two times with completely different reasoning after.
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Absolutely would not bet the game on anyone but myself, SfS or Ins being town. Frisk, if you are town reallllly consider the ic status you are giving Robz. Top two scum reads sparky and Grujah I guess, but I think it's likely one at least of Frisk and Robz is scum.
So you're refusing to give a townread?
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Absolutely would not bet the game on anyone but myself, SfS or Ins being town. Frisk, if you are town reallllly consider the ic status you are giving Robz. Top two scum reads sparky and Grujah I guess, but I think it's likely one at least of Frisk and Robz is scum.
Vote: Eevee for being wishy washy and lurking.
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Seriously guys - read his post.
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Absolutely would not bet the game on anyone but myself, SfS or Ins being town. Frisk, if you are town reallllly consider the ic status you are giving Robz. Top two scum reads sparky and Grujah I guess, but I think it's likely one at least of Frisk and Robz is scum.
So you're refusing to give a townread?
No, I don't have a town read. I have said everything I can think of. Inventing reads is what mafia does.
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Absolutely would not bet the game on anyone but myself, SfS or Ins being town. Frisk, if you are town reallllly consider the ic status you are giving Robz. Top two scum reads sparky and Grujah I guess, but I think it's likely one at least of Frisk and Robz is scum.
So you're refusing to give a townread?
No, I don't have a town read. I have said everything I can think of. Inventing reads is what mafia does.
Do you think what I did was scummy?
Do you agree that it was obvious that RobZ and I were not masons? (Ditto you and whoever else said that they should let masons decide)
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Assignment #1: Grujah. Mistake-prone Grujah (what are vengekills?) is scum Grujah.
Funny how yesterday that SAME COMMENT made me a obvtown by your assessment.
Nice 1 grujah.
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Sparky, it's unfair to call me a lurker if I just haven't been online. I did the best I could to contribute when I was still online. That being said, sorry I missed the last 24 hours. First 5 were because of sleeping, the following 19 were because of going christmas shopping and then having people over.
How do you explain the other posts during this window in threads other than this one?
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Which means, yeah we have to policy lynch one of them. Frisk being scum and Robz being town makes the least sense out of everything.
No commentary necessary.
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Do you agree that it was obvious that RobZ and I were not masons? (Ditto you and whoever else said that they should let masons decide)
That makes me wonder if that would work as a strategy, for the two Masons to both pretend to try to make the Masons claim. Would that make them obvnotMasons to scum, and so unlikely targets for the vengekill?
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Do you agree that it was obvious that RobZ and I were not masons? (Ditto you and whoever else said that they should let masons decide)
That makes me wonder if that would work as a strategy, for the two Masons to both pretend to try to make the Masons claim. Would that make them obvnotMasons to scum, and so unlikely targets for the vengekill?
Masons not claiming is denying the VTs the information they need to hunt scum, gambling that we lynch scum day 1 and they don't get vengekilled. I think its bad play. If I were masons I would 100% claim right at the start.
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All right - for homework for the non ICs.
Who are your top 2 scumreads, and who would you bet the game on is town?
I have exactly five suspects: you, Robz, Grujah, Eevee and sparky, and I'm not betting the game on anything. I'm most worried about you and Robz being scum, but in terms of actual reads I suppose it would be you and Grujah. Eevee seems to have been playing a little differently than normal, but maybe it's just because he hasn't been as active. Without doing a re-read, which I don't have time for at the moment, I can't think of any particular reason to suspect sparky, so I guess if I had to answer it would be him, but I'm certainly not going to bet the game on it.
What about you? We all know who you'd answer for Town, but who are your top two scumreads?
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Do you agree that it was obvious that RobZ and I were not masons? (Ditto you and whoever else said that they should let masons decide)
That makes me wonder if that would work as a strategy, for the two Masons to both pretend to try to make the Masons claim. Would that make them obvnotMasons to scum, and so unlikely targets for the vengekill?
Masons not claiming is denying the VTs the information they need to hunt scum, gambling that we lynch scum day 1 and they don't get vengekilled. I think its bad play. If I were masons I would 100% claim right at the start.
Well it's also denying scum the information they need, thus why the Masons didn't claim right at the start. But of course, there's no real point arguing about it any more.
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Do you agree that it was obvious that RobZ and I were not masons? (Ditto you and whoever else said that they should let masons decide)
That makes me wonder if that would work as a strategy, for the two Masons to both pretend to try to make the Masons claim. Would that make them obvnotMasons to scum, and so unlikely targets for the vengekill?
Masons not claiming is denying the VTs the information they need to hunt scum, gambling that we lynch scum day 1 and they don't get vengekilled. I think its bad play. If I were masons I would 100% claim right at the start.
Well it's also denying scum the information they need, thus why the Masons didn't claim right at the start. But of course, there's no real point arguing about it any more.
Scum don't need the info as much as town do. As I pointed out previously, losing a mason in the worst case brings us to a game that is no worse than fair to town. Why get greedy?
Why is everyone refusing to name a townread.
I have provided top reads in Grujah and sparky. Eevee was my pick for 3rd.
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Sparky, it's unfair to call me a lurker if I just haven't been online. I did the best I could to contribute when I was still online. That being said, sorry I missed the last 24 hours. First 5 were because of sleeping, the following 19 were because of going christmas shopping and then having people over.
How do you explain the other posts during this window in threads other than this one?
There has been none. I've sometimes caught up with this game last because there is the
most to read.
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Sparky, it's unfair to call me a lurker if I just haven't been online. I did the best I could to contribute when I was still online. That being said, sorry I missed the last 24 hours. First 5 were because of sleeping, the following 19 were because of going christmas shopping and then having people over.
How do you explain the other posts during this window in threads other than this one?
There has been none. I've sometimes caught up with this game last because there is the
most to read.
My bad, I thought whoever had posted all those quotes was you posting in other threads for 12/17, but they were quotes from 12/16.
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Absolutely would not bet the game on anyone but myself, SfS or Ins being town. Frisk, if you are town reallllly consider the ic status you are giving Robz. Top two scum reads sparky and Grujah I guess, but I think it's likely one at least of Frisk and Robz is scum.
So you're refusing to give a townread?
No, I don't have a town read. I have said everything I can think of. Inventing reads is what mafia does.
Do you think what I did was scummy?
Do you agree that it was obvious that RobZ and I were not masons? (Ditto you and whoever else said that they should let masons decide)
If you were confident that it was the thing town needed, no it wasn't scummy. I obv didn't think so, hence not driving out the masons. So, what are you getting st with you and robz (and me) being obvnotmasons?
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The more people who are obvious not masons, the less value there is in hidden masonry.
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The more people who are obvious not masons, the less value there is in hidden masonry.
I thought that would explain why robz is obvtown somehow.
Also what about the 100% false statement about me posting elsewhere / lurking intentionally?
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The more people who are obvious not masons, the less value there is in hidden masonry.
I thought that would explain why robz is obvtown somehow.
Also what about the 100% false statement about me posting elsewhere / lurking intentionally?
I already apologized for that.
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The more people who are obvious not masons, the less value there is in hidden masonry.
I thought that would explain why robz is obvtown somehow.
Also what about the 100% false statement about me posting elsewhere / lurking intentionally?
As for RobZ - I think that as scum, I would not want masons to claim to ensure max confusion. Some VT will build a case on one of the masons, eventually the masons would reveal, then that other person looks scummy, you get a nice lynch out of it - without having to do any real work.
The barrier to lynch early is so high that they probably wouldn't claim until close to deadline, and you've ended up wasting the whole day.
Getting the masons out of the way early lets us focus on the real meat - who is scum, and being able to sheep our ic's reads.
The fact that they are pointing at me is unfortunate.
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The more people who are obvious not masons, the less value there is in hidden masonry.
I thought that would explain why robz is obvtown somehow.
Also what about the 100% false statement about me posting elsewhere / lurking intentionally?
I already apologized for that.
Sorry, checking from phone, totally missed that post.
As for your Robz read.. it's just nearly not enough to warrant a read that strong. You are assuming he agrees with you on the matter and would lie about it if he was scum so he must be town. I don't think he would nexessaroly do that and I also think you oberestimate the upside of that position to scum. IC's themselves disagreed with you after all, I Personally don't think Robz would lie for such a small gain.
Leaves me wonder which of you is scummier though.
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Do you agree that it was obvious that RobZ and I were not masons? (Ditto you and whoever else said that they should let masons decide)
That makes me wonder if that would work as a strategy, for the two Masons to both pretend to try to make the Masons claim. Would that make them obvnotMasons to scum, and so unlikely targets for the vengekill?
Masons not claiming is denying the VTs the information they need to hunt scum, gambling that we lynch scum day 1 and they don't get vengekilled. I think its bad play. If I were masons I would 100% claim right at the start.
Frisk man your just completely wrong, your basically saying all PR's should claim in all games all the time and its just not true you don't claim day 1 in any game man. It's just bad and you forcing it out seems like you are scum and were mason hunting so you could figure out where to point your scum gun.
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I think being worried of trying to build cases against masons is more of a scum tell than anything.
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Do you agree that it was obvious that RobZ and I were not masons? (Ditto you and whoever else said that they should let masons decide)
That makes me wonder if that would work as a strategy, for the two Masons to both pretend to try to make the Masons claim. Would that make them obvnotMasons to scum, and so unlikely targets for the vengekill?
Masons not claiming is denying the VTs the information they need to hunt scum, gambling that we lynch scum day 1 and they don't get vengekilled. I think its bad play. If I were masons I would 100% claim right at the start.
Frisk man your just completely wrong, your basically saying all PR's should claim in all games all the time and its just not true you don't claim day 1 in any game man. It's just bad and you forcing it out seems like you are scum and were mason hunting so you could figure out where to point your scum gun.
1000 times no.
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That's not an argument frisk its like except for you and robz everyone trees masons shouldn't claim yet you force it anyways. It's like you decided what's best for a town. So in all future games if I'm town I should force all power roles to claim? That's ridiculous and wrong. You know who likes knowing who PRS are? Scum. And the chance that mafia hit vt are higher than the chance of them hiring a mason. So what did you do. Increased your teams win chance by forcing the masons out. Only your team is scum
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Insomniac - you're straight up wrong, but whats done is done.
Is there anything you want me to do or say, or are you just going to drive home a lynch on me?
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insomniac - this game is different because there are no night kills, so we don't have to worry about protecting the PRs
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Frisk, you do know about the vengekill don't you?
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And when you lynch me and see that i'm town, you'll realize that its scum who were semi opposing the claim.
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Frisk, you do know about the vengekill don't you?
When a vengekill happens, its because you're ALREADY WINNING!
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Frisk, you do know about the vengekill don't you?
That's what I forgot to post - a request to the mods that people confirm in thread that they read the rules and the setup.
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Yes I know the rules and setup.
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Alright Frisk let me say this.
1) You know that I'm town, everyone has posted no one has counterclaimed me
2) I DO NOT know that you are town
3) If I were a VT, Mason, Or scum I would ALWAYS oppose claiming day 1.
4) If I were scum I would WANT the Masons to claim day 1. Cuz hey man I've already won that setup as scum, oh wait so have you...
5) The damage is done, you forced us to claim
6) You are in fact a smart guy, and as scum I could see you deciding that it was worth the sacrifice of yourself to out the masons. (I know I would consider it)
7) Because you are giving Robz IC status you have IMPLICITLY called the 'scum team' day 1 of Eevee/Sparky/Grujah. Yet not only have you NOT pointed that out, you haven't voted for any of them
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Alright Frisk let me say this.
1) You know that I'm town, everyone has posted no one has counterclaimed me
2) I DO NOT know that you are town
3) If I were a VT, Mason, Or scum I would ALWAYS oppose claiming day 1.
4) If I were scum I would WANT the Masons to claim day 1. Cuz hey man I've already won that setup as scum, oh wait so have you...
5) The damage is done, you forced us to claim
6) You are in fact a smart guy, and as scum I could see you deciding that it was worth the sacrifice of yourself to out the masons. (I know I would consider it)
7) Because you are giving Robz IC status you have IMPLICITLY called the 'scum team' day 1 of Eevee/Sparky/Grujah. Yet not only have you NOT pointed that out, you haven't voted for any of them
You're missing one there, and I believe I am voting eevee?
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I'm here too!
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I would under no circumstances give myself up day 1 to out the masons. That would be double plus ungood play.
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I would under no circumstances give myself up day 1 to out the masons. That would be double plus ungood play.
Strongly disagree. We have no reason to believe that claiming is good play, I strongly believe that it isnt. After 4 games of the previous setup Scum won THREE OUT OF FOUR. Thats 75% SCUM WIN in the setup you wanted to change to.
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I thought it was 2/3?
Townwin M4, Scumwin M5, Scumwin M6?
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Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.
If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.
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Walk me through the scenario in which intentionally giving up scum day 1 is beneficial, even if scum get a mason.
Day 2, there are 2 scum, 3 town. Mason claims.
VT Town has a 50/50 chance to guess scum correctly.
Mason could push for random lynch - which leads to town win 70% of the time
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Walk me through the scenario in which intentionally giving up scum day 1 is beneficial, even if scum get a mason.
Day 2, there are 2 scum, 3 town. Mason claims.
VT Town has a 50/50 chance to guess scum correctly.
Mason could push for random lynch - which leads to town win 70% of the time
If there as crafty as you they can talk their way out of it, but we're halting this discussion for now, please answer the questions I've asked of everyone.
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Are you sure you want me to answer first?
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I do not care what the order is and it should be obvious what your answer is to everyone
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Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.
If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.
Can I ask why Robz over Frisk? I think I would support a Robz lynch if both our Masons thought it was best, but I think at this stage I'd feel better about a Frisk lynch. Will have to re-read Robz to come up with a more solid answer.
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I do not care what the order is and it should be obvious what your answer is to everyone
I contend that you should care if you had been reading carefully.
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I do not care what the order is and it should be obvious what your answer is to everyone
I contend that you should care if you had been reading carefully.
I contend that unlike you I don't like wasting the towns time we're on a schedule here.
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Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.
If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.
Can I ask why Robz over Frisk? I think I would support a Robz lynch if both our Masons thought it was best, but I think at this stage I'd feel better about a Frisk lynch. Will have to re-read Robz to come up with a more solid answer.
No, I will not provide that answer, everyone needs to answer the question without my aid.
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I would under no circumstances give myself up day 1 to out the masons. That would be double plus ungood play.
As opposed to forcing the mason out as town? Oh I see, that's only single plus ungood play. But wait, we're still debating the claim issue, four hours from deadline. Shame we haven't wasted any valuable scum hunting time.
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Everyone, please answer the questions that Insom has posed, and please don't get sidetracked.
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And Frisk, if you're Town I'd be a bit more careful giving anyone (other than ICs/confirmed Masons) the type of IC status you seem to be suggesting we give Robz. In Blitz VI we were giving that to shraeye for a lot of the game, who of course turned out to be scum.
Frisk is smarter than to think Robz is obvtown at this point.
Translation: oh shit.
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Robz is actually striking me as a bit milder than usual. Mostly he's just agreed with Frisk and tried to find Masons/defend his Masonhunting. Also, there's this.
Ok, what is a vengekill?
If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.
I wouldn't have thought scumhunting Robz would even consider giving 2 people near-IC status. Robz, like Frisk, seems too focussed on determining who is Town, and I think that's just the wrong way to go about it.
So yes, because of this and what I said earlier about the possibility of Robz and Frisk being scumbuddies, I would support a Mason-led Robz lynch.
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Robz, like Frisk, seems too focussed on determining who is Town, and I think that's just the wrong way to go about it.
No - its the right way, because AS VANILLA TOWN, you only need to pick one other townie, and then you win the game.
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Really? But everyone's trying to act like they're Town, what's to say the person you decide must be Town isn't just doing really well at acting like they're Town. Also, from another Townie's point of view why should I trust someone who might very well be trying to fool me when they say someone who might very well be fooling them isn't trying to fool me?
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Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.
If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.
Focus guys, Robz is online and hasn't posted here yet
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He's been online for 25 minutes and hasn't posted.
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Assignment #1: Grujah. Mistake-prone Grujah (what are vengekills?) is scum Grujah.
Funny how yesterday that SAME COMMENT made me a obvtown by your assessment.
Nice 1 grujah.
No it didn't. I was asking other people whether it should or not. Someone--SFS, I think--pointed out that he may have been coached to say this.
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Sorry, came online, and watched this while I ate lunch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZhjYOi64uU
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ok with Robz. playing irl mafia, just got killed n1 and have time to phonepost now.
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So, catching up on the thread was pretty frustrating. But that frustration is undercut by the fact that I am likely 99% sure who the scum are.
Jimm is scum for certain.
Eevee is very likely scum.
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Vote: Jimm
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ok with Robz. playing irl mafia, just got killed n1 and have time to phonepost now.
I parsed this the first time as playing IRL with RobZ
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ok with Robz. playing irl mafia, just got killed n1 and have time to phonepost now.
I parsed this the first time as playing IRL with RobZ
Me too.
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Robz, answer my question.
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Frisk is completely right, and it's frustrating you don't see it, Insomniac. THIS IS NOT A SETUP WHERE WE PROTECT PRS! ICs aren't even valuable to us if they are either 1) unclaimed or 2) dead. We want them claimed and alive, but most importantly, we want them claimed. Jeez.
It's obvious that the scum have tried to prevent this from happening, and are now quick to paint Frisk and I as trying some scheme... because they have to do that, because otherwise they have already lost.
I am fine with you lynching me, but once I am lynched, listen to me: DO NOT LYNCH FRISK.
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So, catching up on the thread was pretty frustrating. But that frustration is undercut by the fact that I am likely 99% sure who the scum are.
Jimm is scum for certain.
Eevee is very likely scum.
Well at least you remember that I'm here. :P
First time you mention me in the thread and you call me obvscum without any reasons and it's just after I've said I'll vote for you? I think they call that OMGUS.
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Robz, answer my question.
What's your question?
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I am fine with you lynching me, but once I am lynched, listen to me: DO NOT LYNCH FRISK.
Ugggggh.
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Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.
If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.
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So, catching up on the thread was pretty frustrating. But that frustration is undercut by the fact that I am likely 99% sure who the scum are.
Jimm is scum for certain.
Eevee is very likely scum.
Well at least you remember that I'm here. :P
First time you mention me in the thread and you call me obvscum without any reasons and it's just after I've said I'll vote for you? I think they call that OMGUS.
Yes. You are wrong. You are wrong and be and wrong about Frisk. If there were 15 people playing, that would be one thing. There are 6 people and you are going after 66% of the town. I am positive you are scum.
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lol someone had to go to take a phone call, I replaced in and got killed again on night 2, fun. carching up.
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Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.
If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.
I do not support a Frisk lynch under any circumstance. He is a member of the town.
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I am fine with you lynching me, but once I am lynched, listen to me: DO NOT LYNCH FRISK.
Ugggggh.
I mean, I should restate this: I am obviously not fine with getting lynched, but I think it is perfectly possible to lynch me and still win, as long as they don't lynch both you and me. Which is what I'm trying to communicate here.
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I am fine with you lynching me, but once I am lynched, listen to me: DO NOT LYNCH FRISK.
Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.
If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.
I do not support a Frisk lynch under any circumstance. He is a member of the town.
Hmmm
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Robz, why are you sure about jimm and think I'm scum too?
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Robz, why are you sure about jimm and think I'm scum too?
Eevee, answer my question. >:(
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So, catching up on the thread was pretty frustrating. But that frustration is undercut by the fact that I am likely 99% sure who the scum are.
Jimm is scum for certain.
Eevee is very likely scum.
Well at least you remember that I'm here. :P
First time you mention me in the thread and you call me obvscum without any reasons and it's just after I've said I'll vote for you? I think they call that OMGUS.
Yes. You are wrong. You are wrong and be and wrong about Frisk. If there were 15 people playing, that would be one thing. There are 6 people and you are going after 66% of the town. I am positive you are scum.
I'm wrong about what? I'm wrong to be worried about a scum team involving you and Frisk? Or I'm wrong to say that both your games have focussed almost entirely on talking about Masons, which I find weird? Or I'm wrong to follow the lead of our ICs after re-reading and thinking about it myself?
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wtf is going on with Frisk and Robz. to me it's likely at least one of them is scum, but I've no idea which is more likely.
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RobZ - what are your reads on Sparky - particularly a scumslip that I cut out of one of his quotes earlier?
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wtf is going on with Frisk and Robz. to me it's likely at least one of them is scum, but I've no idea which is more likely.
It isn't me, but i'm very afraid that scumrobz is setting me up for a killing tomorrow.
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Robz, why are you sure about jimm and think I'm scum too?
Eevee, answer my question. >:(
I did, I don't oppose the robz lynch. I don't think both frisk and robz are town, because that would be calling the scum team day1.. doesn't seem like the most likely explanation.
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Robz, why are you sure about jimm and think I'm scum too?
Eevee, answer my question. >:(
I did, I don't oppose the robz lynch. I don't think both frisk and robz are town, because that would be calling the scum team day1.. doesn't seem like the most likely explanation.
You have not. I asked for REASONS
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wtf is going on with Frisk and Robz. to me it's likely at least one of them is scum, but I've no idea which is more likely.
It isn't me, but i'm very afraid that scumrobz is setting me up for a killing tomorrow.
so robz isn't an IC anymore?
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Insomniac, just listen to me for a minute.
Frisk and I are not both mafia. I know this for certain. I get that you don't. If you lynched me, then you would know what I already know: We are not both mafia. Fine.
So let's examine Frisk's plan from the perspective I have: I am Town. Okay, if Frisk is mafia, he advanced this plan to put the focus on Jimm, Eevee, sparky, and Grujah. If he's scum, this really hasn't been a worthwhile plan for him, because 2 of those 4 people ARE scum anyway. What was the point of all this?
So I must conclude he's not scum.
I understand that to you, it could look like both of us were scum. And if you lynched one of us, you would become unburdened of this notion. Do not lynch the other one afterward. Do you get what I am saying?
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wtf is going on with Frisk and Robz. to me it's likely at least one of them is scum, but I've no idea which is more likely.
It isn't me, but i'm very afraid that scumrobz is setting me up for a killing tomorrow.
so robz isn't an IC anymore?
If he isn't going to fight being lynched, then he's a moron.
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Insomniac, just listen to me for a minute.
Frisk and I are not both mafia. I know this for certain. I get that you don't. If you lynched me, then you would know what I already know: We are not both mafia. Fine.
So let's examine Frisk's plan from the perspective I have: I am Town. Okay, if Frisk is mafia, he advanced this plan to put the focus on Jimm, Eevee, sparky, and Grujah. If he's scum, this really hasn't been a worthwhile plan for him, because 2 of those 4 people ARE scum anyway. What was the point of all this?
So I must conclude he's not scum.
I understand that to you, it could look like both of us were scum. And if you lynched one of us, you would become unburdened of this notion. Do not lynch the other one afterward. Do you get what I am saying?
Actually, this is more reasonable to me.
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Robz, why are you sure about jimm and think I'm scum too?
Eevee, answer my question. >:(
I did, I don't oppose the robz lynch. I don't think both frisk and robz are town, because that would be calling the scum team day1.. doesn't seem like the most likely explanation.
You have not. I asked for REASONS
EEVEE PLEASE SUPPLY YOUR REASONS.
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I don't see why robz would be a townread like that for anyone, but i just don't know which of them is more likely to be scum because of that. I've never been able to gut read robz at all, and I think he plays scum much like he plays town (doesn't lie or do anything too differently).
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I could see sparky being the final townie (maybe Grujah, I'm not super confident there).
But Jimm and Eevee are the ones pushing hardest in the direction the scum needs to push to win this game: find the scum between Frisk and Robz. This is the worst thing the town can do, because I am highly confident there is no scum between Robz and Frisk.
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Insomniac, just listen to me for a minute.
Frisk and I are not both mafia. I know this for certain. I get that you don't. If you lynched me, then you would know what I already know: We are not both mafia. Fine.
So let's examine Frisk's plan from the perspective I have: I am Town. Okay, if Frisk is mafia, he advanced this plan to put the focus on Jimm, Eevee, sparky, and Grujah. If he's scum, this really hasn't been a worthwhile plan for him, because 2 of those 4 people ARE scum anyway. What was the point of all this?
So I must conclude he's not scum.
I understand that to you, it could look like both of us were scum. And if you lynched one of us, you would become unburdened of this notion. Do not lynch the other one afterward. Do you get what I am saying?
Remember Blitz 6? Remember the only people I voted for and made cases on that game? TheMunch and Shraeye my scum partners
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3 hours to deadline, let's focus everybody.
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I don't see why robz would be a townread like that for anyone, but i just don't know which of them is more likely to be scum because of that. I've never been able to gut read robz at all, and I think he plays scum much like he plays town (doesn't lie or do anything too differently).
You are not listening to me. Stop trying to "read" me or figure out "who is scummier", me or Frisk. I want you to agree, logically, that it is NOT the case that there is exactly one scum between Robz and Frisk. That would not make sense. I can see the case for it being a scum!Robz and scum!Frisk gambit. But if you lynch me--and don't get me wrong, I hope you don't!--don't say, "Well, it must be Frisk, then!"
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IM FINE WITH ANYONE BUT MYSELF.
robz wouldn't be my first pick. sparky would be, but it's all very close and yeah. i don't have any super information.
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Whats giving me a nervous vibe about RobZ is that everyone who's looked at both of us is noncommittal, and then kindof FOS's over at me.
I don't know if this was just sheeping Insomniac, or being in trouble.
Sparky and Jimm made the most sense for me as RobZ scumbuddies, but RobZ's most recent essay looks townish to me, as if scum, he's still directing a ton of suspicion over at his mates in {grujah / sparky / jimmm / eevee} - and really as scum he'd want to just lynch me.
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Insomniac, just listen to me for a minute.
Frisk and I are not both mafia. I know this for certain. I get that you don't. If you lynched me, then you would know what I already know: We are not both mafia. Fine.
So let's examine Frisk's plan from the perspective I have: I am Town. Okay, if Frisk is mafia, he advanced this plan to put the focus on Jimm, Eevee, sparky, and Grujah. If he's scum, this really hasn't been a worthwhile plan for him, because 2 of those 4 people ARE scum anyway. What was the point of all this?
So I must conclude he's not scum.
I understand that to you, it could look like both of us were scum. And if you lynched one of us, you would become unburdened of this notion. Do not lynch the other one afterward. Do you get what I am saying?
Remember Blitz 6? Remember the only people I voted for and made cases on that game? TheMunch and Shraeye my scum partners
Those were like fake cases. Frisk was not faking his conviction that we've narrowed the scum pool down to 4 people.
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IM FINE WITH ANYONE BUT MYSELF.
robz wouldn't be my first pick. sparky would be, but it's all very close and yeah. i don't have any super information.
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Vote: Eevee
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So yes, because of this and what I said earlier about the possibility of Robz and Frisk being scumbuddies, I would support a Mason-led Robz lynch.
Jim, this last bolded part seems like a hedge. Would you support a Robz lynch if someone besides me or Insom was leading it?
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IM FINE WITH ANYONE BUT MYSELF.
robz wouldn't be my first pick. sparky would be, but it's all very close and yeah. i don't have any super information.
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Vote: Eevee
Nope you can unvote we aren't voting yet.
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Assignment #1: Grujah. Mistake-prone Grujah (what are vengekills?) is scum Grujah.
Funny how yesterday that SAME COMMENT made me a obvtown by your assessment.
Nice 1 grujah.
No it didn't. I was asking other people whether it should or not. Someone--SFS, I think--pointed out that he may have been coached to say this.
Robz, can you find me this post, where someone pointed out this potential coaching?
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Frisk
Robz
Eevee
Sparky
Grujah
ANSWER MY QUESTION I WANT REASONS
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So yes, because of this and what I said earlier about the possibility of Robz and Frisk being scumbuddies, I would support a Mason-led Robz lynch.
Jim, this last bolded part seems like a hedge. Would you support a Robz lynch if someone besides me or Insom was leading it?
It's ultra-hedgy, and that's why I am fairly sold on Eevee and Jimm as scum. They are saying the exact wrong thing... "I don't know if Frisk or Robz is scummier, I guess we should kill this one... blah." That's horrible, because when they get it wrong, they'll point at the one they didn't lynch. And as I am desperately trying to establish, I think it's impossible (even from your perspective) that there is exactly one scum between Frisk and me.
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robz, okay. that makes some sense actually.
I just don't understand what insanity could make them
both so sure about each other as townies. also the fact that when it seems too good to be true, t usually is. finding all the scum day1.
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Robz additional question, please describe your thoughts on LaLL
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So yes, because of this and what I said earlier about the possibility of Robz and Frisk being scumbuddies, I would support a Mason-led Robz lynch.
Jim, this last bolded part seems like a hedge. Would you support a Robz lynch if someone besides me or Insom was leading it?
I would certainly have a harder time of it if confirmed Townies were giving him as much credit as Frisk is. I think Frisk is more likely scum (although after Robz' outburst I might reconsider that, and I wouldn't consider Robz particularly Towny anyway), but I have to take into account that two more experienced Townies working together will probably be better at reading people than me. I'm sorry, I can't give you anything stronger than that, because I just don't have it.
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Assignment #1: Grujah. Mistake-prone Grujah (what are vengekills?) is scum Grujah.
Funny how yesterday that SAME COMMENT made me a obvtown by your assessment.
Nice 1 grujah.
No it didn't. I was asking other people whether it should or not. Someone--SFS, I think--pointed out that he may have been coached to say this.
Robz, can you find me this post, where someone pointed out this potential coaching?
Let me be more forceful: Robz, please find me the post where someone pointed out this potential coaching. (That's the stick, here's the carrot:)
It may grant you a stay of execution. (Plus you don't seem to need any time to argue against your lynch.)
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IM FINE WITH ANYONE BUT MYSELF.
robz wouldn't be my first pick. sparky would be, but it's all very close and yeah. i don't have any super information.
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Vote: Eevee
Nope you can unvote we aren't voting yet.
(http://i.snag.gy/IEwXo.jpg)
(i was already voting eevee, i just wanted more emphasis on his completely disconnected behavior)
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Robz additional question, please describe your thoughts on LaLL
Not relevant to this game, because we have better information to go off of: that 3 of the 4 scum are in the pool of Jimm, Eevee, sparky, grujah. Also, it's harder to discern scum!lurking in Blitz games. Although it did give you away last game. I'm just less disposed to rely on it here.
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
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Assignment #1: Grujah. Mistake-prone Grujah (what are vengekills?) is scum Grujah.
Funny how yesterday that SAME COMMENT made me a obvtown by your assessment.
Nice 1 grujah.
No it didn't. I was asking other people whether it should or not. Someone--SFS, I think--pointed out that he may have been coached to say this.
Robz, can you find me this post, where someone pointed out this potential coaching?
Let me be more forceful: Robz, please find me the post where someone pointed out this potential coaching. (That's the stick, here's the carrot:)
It may grant you a stay of execution. (Plus you don't seem to need any time to argue against your lynch.)
Okay I am looking and hoping I didn't make it up.
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BTW, +1 to insomniac, I am liking you now.
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new game starting. trying my best, mobile access and stuff. unfortunate if that öeads us to a mislynch.
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
I'd like to point out that in the one game of this that town did win, we did so without the help of the ICs on day 1.
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Hooray, I am saved! Here it is, SFS:
Ok, what is a vengekill?
If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.
Or you and he just co-ordinated this via daychat.
So it was Frisk who said that.
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So yes, because of this and what I said earlier about the possibility of Robz and Frisk being scumbuddies, I would support a Mason-led Robz lynch.
Jim, this last bolded part seems like a hedge. Would you support a Robz lynch if someone besides me or Insom was leading it?
I would certainly have a harder time of it if confirmed Townies were giving him as much credit as Frisk is. I think Frisk is more likely scum (although after Robz' outburst I might reconsider that, and I wouldn't consider Robz particularly Towny anyway), but I have to take into account that two more experienced Townies working together will probably be better at reading people than me. I'm sorry, I can't give you anything stronger than that, because I just don't have it.
Well, you just proved Robz point in #417.
You have what you need, the two words "yes" and "no". It's a yes or no question, not a request for a read, or information about what you think of other players. If anyone other than SFS or Insom were leading a lynch on Robz, would you support that lynch?
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Robz additional question, please describe your thoughts on LaLL
Not relevant to this game, because we have better information to go off of: that 3 of the 4 scum are in the pool of Jimm, Eevee, sparky, grujah. Also, it's harder to discern scum!lurking in Blitz games. Although it did give you away last game. I'm just less disposed to rely on it here.
Understood.
Vote: Robz
When I asked the question about Robz, I had 0 intention of lynching Robz. Since then everyone has been super hedgy on whether they would vote for him or not. Additionally Robz has strayed from LaLL while point a finger at Grujah Sparky....the 2 lurkers this game.
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
I'd like to point out that in the one game of this that town did win, we did so without the help of the ICs on day 1.
Not true Shraeye was a huge help.
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So yes, because of this and what I said earlier about the possibility of Robz and Frisk being scumbuddies, I would support a Mason-led Robz lynch.
Jim, this last bolded part seems like a hedge. Would you support a Robz lynch if someone besides me or Insom was leading it?
It's ultra-hedgy, and that's why I am fairly sold on Eevee and Jimm as scum. They are saying the exact wrong thing... "I don't know if Frisk or Robz is scummier, I guess we should kill this one... blah." That's horrible, because when they get it wrong, they'll point at the one they didn't lynch. And as I am desperately trying to establish, I think it's impossible (even from your perspective) that there is exactly one scum between Frisk and me.
I wouldn't consider anything impossible, but I'll agree in principle that if you flip Town, that may make Frisk look less scummy. I'd have to do another re-read with extra knowledge. I certainly wouldn't assume "Oh Robz is Town, Frisk must be scum". But it's day 1 and I don't think "lynch the scummier of a possible scum pair" is a bad policy for day 1.
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Robz additional question, please describe your thoughts on LaLL
Not relevant to this game, because we have better information to go off of: that 3 of the 4 scum are in the pool of Jimm, Eevee, sparky, grujah. Also, it's harder to discern scum!lurking in Blitz games. Although it did give you away last game. I'm just less disposed to rely on it here.
Understood.
Vote: Robz
When I asked the question about Robz, I had 0 intention of lynching Robz. Since then everyone has been super hedgy on whether they would vote for him or not. Additionally Robz has strayed from LaLL while point a finger at Grujah Sparky....the 2 lurkers this game.
BTW this IS me calling the scumteam Robz/Grujah/Sparky
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
You have 60 posts of my content that answer that question.
I started with the position that I would gamble the game on him being town, and that I would 1,2,3 lynch anyone who wasn't robz.
I wavered on this briefly, but his recent analysis confirms in my mind that he is not scum.
If you drive a lynch on me, the loss is on your head. If you drive it on RobZ, I oppose it, because i'm 85% sure that he's town. Even if he is scum, there are 2 scum that we can hit in the remaining 4 for the win. The worst possible scenario is that you lynch RobZ, he flips town, and then you lynch me, giving the game to scum just like you did in ZM5.
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Robz additional question, please describe your thoughts on LaLL
Not relevant to this game, because we have better information to go off of: that 3 of the 4 scum are in the pool of Jimm, Eevee, sparky, grujah. Also, it's harder to discern scum!lurking in Blitz games. Although it did give you away last game. I'm just less disposed to rely on it here.
Understood.
Vote: Robz
When I asked the question about Robz, I had 0 intention of lynching Robz. Since then everyone has been super hedgy on whether they would vote for him or not. Additionally Robz has strayed from LaLL while point a finger at Grujah Sparky....the 2 lurkers this game.
I am not pointing a finger at Grujah and sparky, I think they are more likely town than Eevee and Jimm. That's consistent on sparky, and a little flipping on Grujah, sure. Gotta change your reads constantly in this game, man.
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Robz additional question, please describe your thoughts on LaLL
Not relevant to this game, because we have better information to go off of: that 3 of the 4 scum are in the pool of Jimm, Eevee, sparky, grujah. Also, it's harder to discern scum!lurking in Blitz games. Although it did give you away last game. I'm just less disposed to rely on it here.
Understood.
Vote: Robz
When I asked the question about Robz, I had 0 intention of lynching Robz. Since then everyone has been super hedgy on whether they would vote for him or not. Additionally Robz has strayed from LaLL while point a finger at Grujah Sparky....the 2 lurkers this game.
Sparky i think is your lynch here.
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
You have 60 posts of my content that answer that question.
I started with the position that I would gamble the game on him being town, and that I would 1,2,3 lynch anyone who wasn't robz.
I wavered on this briefly, but his recent analysis confirms in my mind that he is not scum.
If you drive a lynch on me, the loss is on your head. If you drive it on RobZ, I oppose it, because i'm 85% sure that he's town. Even if he is scum, there are 2 scum that we can hit in the remaining 4 for the win. The worst possible scenario is that you lynch RobZ, he flips town, and then you lynch me, giving the game to scum just like you did in ZM5.
Yes. Yes yes yes yes yes yes. Exactly yes.
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IM FINE WITH ANYONE BUT MYSELF.
robz wouldn't be my first pick. sparky would be, but it's all very close and yeah. i don't have any super information.
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Vote: Eevee
Nope you can unvote we aren't voting yet.
(http://i.snag.gy/IEwXo.jpg)
(i was already voting eevee, i just wanted more emphasis on his completely disconnected behavior)
my behavior is very considtent with my usual town behavior
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If RobZ was on a scumteam with Grujah, he'd just tell him to post more. Hell, he'd probably write grujah's posts for him.
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my behavior is very considtent with my usual town behavior
That is straight up lying. Where is the buddying?
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Insomniac, the only thing I care about: Will you listen to me after I am dead? DO NOT LYNCH FRISK, JIMM IS OBVSCUM, PROBABLY EEVEE TOO.
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
I'd like to point out that in the one game of this that town did win, we did so without the help of the ICs on day 1.
NOW you tell us. This is just rich, man.
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Robz additional question, please describe your thoughts on LaLL
Not relevant to this game, because we have better information to go off of: that 3 of the 4 scum are in the pool of Jimm, Eevee, sparky, grujah. Also, it's harder to discern scum!lurking in Blitz games. Although it did give you away last game. I'm just less disposed to rely on it here.
Understood.
Vote: Robz
When I asked the question about Robz, I had 0 intention of lynching Robz. Since then everyone has been super hedgy on whether they would vote for him or not. Additionally Robz has strayed from LaLL while point a finger at Grujah Sparky....the 2 lurkers this game.
I am not pointing a finger at Grujah and sparky, I think they are more likely town than Eevee and Jimm. That's consistent on sparky, and a little flipping on Grujah, sure. Gotta change your reads constantly in this game, man.
Yup thats why I swapped on Frisk, I think he's town now, we know that both sparky and Grujah have a history of lurking as scum you think they are possibly scum, yet you aren't willing to pursue LaLL, thats totally how scum Robz would play it if Grujah and or sparky were his partners
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Robz additional question, please describe your thoughts on LaLL
Not relevant to this game, because we have better information to go off of: that 3 of the 4 scum are in the pool of Jimm, Eevee, sparky, grujah. Also, it's harder to discern scum!lurking in Blitz games. Although it did give you away last game. I'm just less disposed to rely on it here.
Understood.
Vote: Robz
When I asked the question about Robz, I had 0 intention of lynching Robz. Since then everyone has been super hedgy on whether they would vote for him or not. Additionally Robz has strayed from LaLL while point a finger at Grujah Sparky....the 2 lurkers this game.
I am not pointing a finger at Grujah and sparky, I think they are more likely town than Eevee and Jimm. That's consistent on sparky, and a little flipping on Grujah, sure. Gotta change your reads constantly in this game, man.
Yup thats why I swapped on Frisk, I think he's town now, we know that both sparky and Grujah have a history of lurking as scum you think they are possibly scum, yet you aren't willing to pursue LaLL, thats totally how scum Robz would play it if Grujah and or sparky were his partners
/facepalm
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
You have 60 posts of my content that answer that question.
I started with the position that I would gamble the game on him being town, and that I would 1,2,3 lynch anyone who wasn't robz.
I wavered on this briefly, but his recent analysis confirms in my mind that he is not scum.
If you drive a lynch on me, the loss is on your head. If you drive it on RobZ, I oppose it, because i'm 85% sure that he's town. Even if he is scum, there are 2 scum that we can hit in the remaining 4 for the win. The worst possible scenario is that you lynch RobZ, he flips town, and then you lynch me, giving the game to scum just like you did in ZM5.
Actually when I asked the question I expected you were going to support it.
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
I'd like to point out that in the one game of this that town did win, we did so without the help of the ICs on day 1.
NOW you tell us. This is just rich, man.
You were in this game, right? I'm sure YOU REMEMBER.
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JIM PLEASE GO READ 430 AND RESPOND.
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INSOMNIAC, will you listen to me when I am dead?
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Insomniac, the only thing I care about: Will you listen to me after I am dead? DO NOT LYNCH FRISK, JIMM IS OBVSCUM, PROBABLY EEVEE TOO.
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Frisk you still havent answered my question. And Eevee is barring a huge slip or something not a lynch that Im going to let happen today.
I'd like to point out that in the one game of this that town did win, we did so without the help of the ICs on day 1.
NOW you tell us. This is just rich, man.
You were in this game, right? I'm sure YOU REMEMBER.
I do. It was sarcasm. Pumba Shraeye helped a little, as I recall.
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Insomniac, the only thing I care about: Will you listen to me after I am dead? DO NOT LYNCH FRISK, JIMM IS OBVSCUM, PROBABLY EEVEE TOO.
I already said Frisk is town.
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JIM PLEASE GO READ 430 AND RESPOND.
Yes, I'm getting there. I'm at work, remember.
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Actually when I asked the question I expected you were going to support it.
To be honest, I considered it. The Sparky interaction in particular skeeved me out, and I could totally see RobZ saying "hey folks, one of us needs to be in favor of claiming, even though its bad"
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Insomniac, the only thing I care about: Will you listen to me after I am dead? DO NOT LYNCH FRISK, JIMM IS OBVSCUM, PROBABLY EEVEE TOO.
I already said Frisk is town.
Then you are not listening to me! It makes NO SENSE for Frisk and I to push this plan if one of us is scum and the other is not. Oh well. You will soon find out you are wrong. When you do, DO NOT change your mind on your Frisk read. Oh, and Jimm is obvscum.
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Oh, and LaLL is stupid. If you go through with it, a scum team consisting of any 2 {RobZ, Galz, CF} will never be lynched.
MUuuuahahahahahaha
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And why is no-one getting my spacemoose reference?
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Oh, and LaLL is stupid. If you go through with it, a scum team consisting of any 2 {RobZ, Galz, CF} will never be lynched.
MUuuuahahahahahaha
I wouldn't be lynched either unless the game starts when I'm RL busy
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Oh, and LaLL is stupid. If you go through with it, a scum team consisting of any 2 {RobZ, Galz, CF} will never be lynched.
MUuuuahahahahahaha
Yeah, but you should have been watching Ftl, Grujah, O (Voltaire), Watno, and theorel (ibgtennis) from mine and Voltgloss's mod perspectives in XI. Absolute lurking was absolute.
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And why is no-one getting my spacemoose reference?
And why do you continue with the distractions? Don't answer, it's rhetorical.
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So yes, because of this and what I said earlier about the possibility of Robz and Frisk being scumbuddies, I would support a Mason-led Robz lynch.
Jim, this last bolded part seems like a hedge. Would you support a Robz lynch if someone besides me or Insom was leading it?
I would certainly have a harder time of it if confirmed Townies were giving him as much credit as Frisk is. I think Frisk is more likely scum (although after Robz' outburst I might reconsider that, and I wouldn't consider Robz particularly Towny anyway), but I have to take into account that two more experienced Townies working together will probably be better at reading people than me. I'm sorry, I can't give you anything stronger than that, because I just don't have it.
Well, you just proved Robz point in #417.
You have what you need, the two words "yes" and "no". It's a yes or no question, not a request for a read, or information about what you think of other players. If anyone other than SFS or Insom were leading a lynch on Robz, would you support that lynch?
Well Robz is my 3rd scumread so if the other two weren't going to happen, yes.
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Insom, check the QT please.
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
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A vote count would be nice.
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
I disagree with a sparky lynch so does SFS.
SFS I commented in the QT.
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
I disagree with a sparky lynch so does SFS.
SFS I commented in the QT.
Didn't you call him as part of the scumteam?
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Insomniac, the only thing I care about: Will you listen to me after I am dead? DO NOT LYNCH FRISK, JIMM IS OBVSCUM, PROBABLY EEVEE TOO.
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
I disagree with a sparky lynch so does SFS.
SFS I commented in the QT.
Didn't you call him as part of the scumteam?
Yeah he did. Worst ICs ever.
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FYI guys I finish work in less than an hour so won't be able to post during change-over or going home. I'll be home about an hour after that, which is half an hour before deadline I believe.
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So if I'm going to be involved in this vote, it either needs to be soonish or just before deadline.
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
I disagree with a sparky lynch so does SFS.
SFS I commented in the QT.
Confirm that the lynch today is not Sparky.
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Yeah he did. Worst ICs ever.
I'm really angry about what I'm doing to my meta in this game. Next time I roll scum its going to be hard.
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
I disagree with a sparky lynch so does SFS.
SFS I commented in the QT.
Didn't you call him as part of the scumteam?
Yes but he's less informational than the other 2 (Robz/Grujah)
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
I disagree with a sparky lynch so does SFS.
SFS I commented in the QT.
Didn't you call him as part of the scumteam?
Yeah he did. Worst ICs ever.
Hey guys when Insom called shraeye the worst IC ever he got off the hook maybe if I say Insom is the worst IC ever I'll get off the hook. Oh Insom isn't shraeye...damn
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
I disagree with a sparky lynch so does SFS.
SFS I commented in the QT.
Didn't you call him as part of the scumteam?
Yes but he's less informational than the other 2 (Robz/Grujah)
I just kindof think that if Grujah was scum, his scum mates would be all over his case to post.
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Yeah he did. Worst ICs ever.
I'm really angry about what I'm doing to my meta in this game. Next time I roll scum its going to be hard.
I am so proud of you. (tears well up)
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I'M HERE SORRY GUYS
Haven't gotten a chance to be on the forum in a while. Now I'll read back and see what's going on.
You're about to be lynched is whats going on.
I disagree with a sparky lynch so does SFS.
SFS I commented in the QT.
Didn't you call him as part of the scumteam?
Yeah he did. Worst ICs ever.
Hey guys when Insom called shraeye the worst IC ever he got off the hook maybe if I say Insom is the worst IC ever I'll get off the hook. Oh Insom isn't shraeye...damn
It's just I know you're not going to listen to me after I'm dead, and I reall wish you would.
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Here's a reminder:
Insomniac, the only thing I care about: Will you listen to me after I am dead? DO NOT LYNCH FRISK, JIMM IS OBVSCUM, PROBABLY EEVEE TOO.
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Yeah he did. Worst ICs ever.
I'm really angry about what I'm doing to my meta in this game. Next time I roll scum its going to be hard.
I am so proud of you. (tears well up)
You know that if you're scum, you're going to get another round of day 1 lynches out of this right? Just give in now and preserve your future town games.
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@CF - You can be all over a guy but if he isnt around you can't make him post you can only show him to water. My scum team was pissed that I was lurking (even if it was unintentional)
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Insomniac, why don't you like my eevee peevee lynch?
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Yeah he did. Worst ICs ever.
I'm really angry about what I'm doing to my meta in this game. Next time I roll scum its going to be hard.
Are you deliberately doing this? As town, how does this post contribute anything at all to advancing the town cause? It reads as a deliberate mindf**k type comment that will only mess with the minds of town.
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Insomniac, why don't you like my eevee peevee lynch?
Eevee strikes me as normal Eevee, and his lynch would drive as much information, at best I'm 50/50 on him but its not informational enough IMO so I don't want it today.
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I'm sorry, I won't be able to focus on this game for much longer. Is the vote happening now, or around deadline?
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Insomniac, why do you think I'm scum again? Because I said I wasn't going to enforce LALL here?
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Insomniac, why don't you like my eevee peevee lynch?
Eevee strikes me as normal Eevee, and his lynch would drive as much information, at best I'm 50/50 on him but its not informational enough IMO so I don't want it today.
Do you still want a RobZ lynch?
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@CF - I still want a Robz lynch yes.
@Robz - Everyone was hedgy on voting for you, you say there is 4 scum in 3 {Grujah/sparky/Jimm/eevee} and don't want to enforce LaLL even though 2 of the 4 are there. Your fight with Grujah seemed fake.
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Insom, we need to answer Jim in 482.
Mods can we get a votecount.
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@Jimm closer to deadline probably, but this is an evolving quick game I can't guarantee we won't lynch before then
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@CF - I still want a Robz lynch yes.
@Robz - Everyone was hedgy on voting for you, you say there is 4 scum in 3 {Grujah/sparky/Jimm/eevee} and don't want to enforce LaLL even though 2 of the 4 are there. Your fight with Grujah seemed fake.
Okay, my reasons though for not suspecting the lurkers is that non-lurkers are pushing something that can't be true (either me or Frisk is scum), and coincidentally, that's the very thing scum need to do to pull out the win. So that's why i suspect them more than the lurkers. I know you think this is some "gotcha" moment you achieved on me... it's not.
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Insom, we need to answer Jim in 482.
Mods can we get a votecount.
485 rather.
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Okay a lot of stuff going on, I need EVERYONE to tell me EXACTLY what questions I need to answer. I saw Insomniac's about Robz and Frisk but I might have missed others.
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Okay a lot of stuff going on, I need EVERYONE to tell me EXACTLY what questions I need to answer. I saw Insomniac's about Robz and Frisk but I might have missed others.
Answer it.
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Okay a lot of stuff going on, I need EVERYONE to tell me EXACTLY what questions I need to answer. I saw Insomniac's about Robz and Frisk but I might have missed others.
I need you to tell us whether you are scumbuddies with Jimm and Eevee.
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Ok, just woke up. It's a bitch to catch up.
People asked questions demanding answers, IIRC
@Frisk - Most town - ugh, hard. hate to admit, I'm getting a towny vibe out of Frisky these last few pages. Depends heavily on what Robz is, but, ugh.. Frisk.
Two most scum - Robz definetely. Second... Jimm as of lack of second option?
Eevee might be pulling invisiyuma, I'm not sure. Sparky started lurking - so not really thrilled with any of them two.
@Ins - I would vote on Robz, and I'm already voting, reasons I've posted when SFS asked me.
PPE: 7 posts. ARGH.
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Okay a lot of stuff going on, I need EVERYONE to tell me EXACTLY what questions I need to answer. I saw Insomniac's about Robz and Frisk but I might have missed others.
#284 as well.
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Ok, just woke up. It's a bitch to catch up.
People asked questions demanding answers, IIRC
@Frisk - Most town - ugh, hard. hate to admit, I'm getting a towny vibe out of Frisky these last few pages. Depends heavily on what Robz is, but, ugh.. Frisk.
Two most scum - Robz definetely. Second... Jimm as of lack of second option?
Eevee might be pulling invisiyuma, I'm not sure. Sparky started lurking - so not really thrilled with any of them two.
@Ins - I would vote on Robz, and I'm already voting, reasons I've posted when SFS asked me.
PPE: 7 posts. ARGH.
It took 10 minutes to write that?
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Okay so I already said I could see both Frisk and Robz being scum. If we follow them blindly and they're scum, we lose. I'm pretty peeved that they would put us in that position. Does everyone agree with at least that?
Whether it should be Robz or Frisk we go for, I don't know. I was considering the possibility of one being scum and one being town, but I now consider that to be unlikely given all these interactions. I could at this point go for either or just because we have to.
My logic is probably not sound cause I'm stressing trying to catch up, that's my own damn fault it seems, but I feel like we have to proceed like that.
Okay a lot of stuff going on, I need EVERYONE to tell me EXACTLY what questions I need to answer. I saw Insomniac's about Robz and Frisk but I might have missed others.
I need you to tell us whether you are scumbuddies with Jimm and Eevee.
NO. What kind of a question is that? If I'm scum, how would you expect me to answer that? And as town that really doesn't make the least bit of sense at all. I would rank Eevee and Jimm in terms of scumminess at this point, if that's what you're interested in.
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Ok, just woke up. It's a bitch to catch up.
People asked questions demanding answers, IIRC
@Frisk - Most town - ugh, hard. hate to admit, I'm getting a towny vibe out of Frisky these last few pages. Depends heavily on what Robz is, but, ugh.. Frisk.
Two most scum - Robz definetely. Second... Jimm as of lack of second option?
Eevee might be pulling invisiyuma, I'm not sure. Sparky started lurking - so not really thrilled with any of them two.
@Ins - I would vote on Robz, and I'm already voting, reasons I've posted when SFS asked me.
PPE: 7 posts. ARGH.
It took 10 minutes to write that?
Sigh, I hate stuff like this.
Yes, It did. I forgot what Ins question was so I had to go back and find it, etc, do I really need to explain it?
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Okay, I have to go. This game is being very distracting.
In case you decide to go ahead before deadline I'm going to vote: Robz.
I will be back before deadline though.
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Oh #284, #294 was intended to be the response to that.
But as I said, Frisk and Robz have created an unwinnable position for us if they are both scum. So really, one of them has got to go. You want just one name? I mean, I can see both or none being scum, but not one. If one flips town, we have three scum in three people, at least in my eyes. I hope you all will see that.
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Okay a lot of stuff going on, I need EVERYONE to tell me EXACTLY what questions I need to answer. I saw Insomniac's about Robz and Frisk but I might have missed others.
I need you to tell us whether you are scumbuddies with Jimm and Eevee.
NO. What kind of a question is that? If I'm scum, how would you expect me to answer that? And as town that really doesn't make the least bit of sense at all. I would rank Eevee ABOVE Jimm in terms of scumminess at this point, if that's what you're interested in.
Fixed.
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Jimmm, you're fine going away... because RobZ will not be lynched @ deadline without scum bussing, because I'm not voting him.
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Jimmm, you're fine going away... because RobZ will not be lynched @ deadline without scum bussing, because I'm not voting him.
Wait, you think Robz is scum (bussing), but are not voting for him?
Explain?
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Jimmm, you're fine going away... because RobZ will not be lynched @ deadline without scum bussing, because I'm not voting him.
Why did you use the word bussing here.
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Oh #284, #294 was intended to be the response to that.
But as I said, Frisk and Robz have created an unwinnable position for us if they are both scum. So really, one of them has got to go. You want just one name? I mean, I can see both or none being scum, but not one. If one flips town, we have three scum in three people, at least in my eyes. I hope you all will see that.
Correct, except it's really 3 scum in 4 people, because no one but you knows you aren't scum, although I certainly think you're the least likely scum.
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Jimmm, you're fine going away... because RobZ will not be lynched @ deadline without scum bussing, because I'm not voting him.
Wait, you think Robz is scum (bussing), but are not voting for him?
Explain?
Sorry, got that confused in my head. With me not voting, the only way to get a lynch on him is with scum on the wagon. That does not make it a bus, nor does it mean that he isn't goign to get lynched by the time you get back.
It does prevent it from being a full town lynch though.
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Jimmm, you're fine going away... because RobZ will not be lynched @ deadline without scum bussing, because I'm not voting him.
Why did you use the word bussing here.
See previous response. Basically, if RobZ is scum, he isn't getting lynched without bussing.
If RobZ is town (which is what I suspect) then obv. it wouldn't be bussing.
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It's really aggravating not having a vote count.
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Vote: Voltgloss?
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Robz(2): Insom & Jimmmmm
Eevee(1): Frisk
Jimmmmm(1): Robz
That's what I saw, may or may not be accurate.
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I believe Grujah may also be voting robz.
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Oh #284, #294 was intended to be the response to that.
But as I said, Frisk and Robz have created an unwinnable position for us if they are both scum. So really, one of them has got to go. You want just one name? I mean, I can see both or none being scum, but not one. If one flips town, we have three scum in three people, at least in my eyes. I hope you all will see that.
I'm starting to think sparky should be insta-lynch tomorrow.
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Yes, I'm still here, tentatively.
Insta-lynch based on Robz' flip, or just automatically?
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Oh #284, #294 was intended to be the response to that.
But as I said, Frisk and Robz have created an unwinnable position for us if they are both scum. So really, one of them has got to go. You want just one name? I mean, I can see both or none being scum, but not one. If one flips town, we have three scum in three people, at least in my eyes. I hope you all will see that.
I'm starting to think sparky should be insta-lynch tomorrow.
Or right now. You guys like RobZ, RobZ doesn't want it. Seems like a win for all parties. Like I said guys, I'm pretty sure that RobZ is town here, and that staying off him and I results in a win.
Quick:
Name 1 thing that any of the other 4 have done that is remotely protown?
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Yes, I'm still here, tentatively.
Insta-lynch based on Robz' flip, or just automatically?
What a scummy question!
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VOTE COUNT BY SFS, unverified
Eevee (2, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (3, u3): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmm
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1):
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1):
Jimmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (4): sparky5856, Eevee
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VOTE COUNT BY SFS, unverified
Eevee (2, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (3, u3): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmm
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1):
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1):
Jimmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (4): sparky5856, Eevee
Pretty sure that I should have an insomniac strikeout next to my name.
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+1 to grujah for still being on a mason.
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Yes, I'm still here, tentatively.
Insta-lynch based on Robz' flip, or just automatically?
What a scummy question!
Sorry, how? I can understand insta-lynching someone based off a flip, but before a flip, I just don't understand it.
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And I am officially gone.
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Might as well VOTE: Robz
I don't need to repeat myself but I really feel like doing so. This game is unwinnable if both Frisk and Robz are scum buddying up.
Mafia drains the sanity out of you I swear.
Oh #284, #294 was intended to be the response to that.
But as I said, Frisk and Robz have created an unwinnable position for us if they are both scum. So really, one of them has got to go. You want just one name? I mean, I can see both or none being scum, but not one. If one flips town, we have three scum in three people, at least in my eyes. I hope you all will see that.
I'm starting to think sparky should be insta-lynch tomorrow.
Care to explain why?
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Yes, I'm still here, tentatively.
Insta-lynch based on Robz' flip, or just automatically?
He's avoiding answering direct simple questions, despite repeated requests, instruction sheets, and reminders. His play is not pro-town, regardless of his alignment. So, he's playing like EVERYONE else in the game.
I note with NO amusement that the ONLY two people who have really had anything definitive to say (Frisk and Robz) are really the only people that have received any serious scrutiny, despite all the lurking, obfuscation, avoidance, procrastination, etc.
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I note with NO amusement that the ONLY two people who have really had anything definitive to say (Frisk and Robz) are really the only people that have received any serious scrutiny, despite all the lurking, obfuscation, avoidance, procrastination, etc.
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Unvote
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VOTE COUNT BY SFS, unverified
Eevee (2, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (3, u3): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmm
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1):
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1):
Jimmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (4): sparky5856, Eevee
Pretty sure that I should have an insomniac strikeout next to my name.
Sorry, disregard the whole post. Forgot what the formatting for the strike thoughs meant.
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Don't need to be at L-1 a few hours? When is deadline?
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Sometime this afternoon? Asher is online.
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Don't need to be at L-1 a few hours? When is deadline?
about 90 minutes from now, 4:30 pm forum time.
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VOTE COUNT BY SFS, unverified
Eevee (2, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (3, u3): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmm
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1):
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1):
Jimmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (4): sparky5856, Eevee
I don't understand this. For one, there's TWO people not voting.
Okay never mind, SFS said disregard it.
Yes, I'm still here, tentatively.
Insta-lynch based on Robz' flip, or just automatically?
He's avoiding answering direct simple questions, despite repeated requests, instruction sheets, and reminders. His play is not pro-town, regardless of his alignment. So, he's playing like EVERYONE else in the game.
I ASKED OUTRIGHT what questions I needed answered, after twelve hours of absence I couldn't have caught them all by myself. And that is not pro-town?
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Where the eff did Eevee go?
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I'm preparing an updated vote count now.
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Does everyone NOT SEE that if Frisk and Robz are both scum and we take their direction, WE LOSE? We need to lynch two goons to win, and even if we lynch a goon among the four of me, Jimmmmm, Grujah, and Eevee, we'll never catch the other two. Yes, they could both be town, but *I* am really uncomfortable with being in a position where it's possible that it's impossible to win. That is what *I* feel.
If they're town, then we know where to look now don't we.
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oh shit oh shit oh shit
FTFY
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VOTE COUNT BY SFS, unverified
Eevee (2, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (3, u3): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmm
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1):
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1):
Jimmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (4): sparky5856, Eevee
I don't understand this. For one, there's TWO people not voting.
Okay never mind, SFS said disregard it.
Yes, I'm still here, tentatively.
Insta-lynch based on Robz' flip, or just automatically?
He's avoiding answering direct simple questions, despite repeated requests, instruction sheets, and reminders. His play is not pro-town, regardless of his alignment. So, he's playing like EVERYONE else in the game.
I ASKED OUTRIGHT what questions I needed answered, after twelve hours of absence I couldn't have caught them all by myself. And that is not pro-town?
And I told you, 282 (or whatever the number is) and you haven't answered it. One name, no equivocation. There were instructions. You've avoided it twice. I've not taken the time to find the others (from Insom) because I suspect the responses would be just that, responses rather than answers.
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Insom, I answered you in the QT.
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VOTE COUNT BY SFS, unverified
Eevee (2, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (3, u3): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmm
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1):
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1):
Jimmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (4): sparky5856, Eevee
I don't understand this. For one, there's TWO people not voting.
Okay never mind, SFS said disregard it.
Yes, I'm still here, tentatively.
Insta-lynch based on Robz' flip, or just automatically?
He's avoiding answering direct simple questions, despite repeated requests, instruction sheets, and reminders. His play is not pro-town, regardless of his alignment. So, he's playing like EVERYONE else in the game.
I ASKED OUTRIGHT what questions I needed answered, after twelve hours of absence I couldn't have caught them all by myself. And that is not pro-town?
And I told you, 282 (or whatever the number is) and you haven't answered it. One name, no equivocation. There were instructions. You've avoided it twice. I've not taken the time to find the others (from Insom) because I suspect the responses would be just that, responses rather than answers.
That's NOT WHAT I FEEL THOUGH. I can't give just ONE NAME. That's the situation we're in.
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VOTE COUNT BY SFS, unverified
Eevee (2, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (3, u3): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmm
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1):
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1):
Jimmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (4): sparky5856, Eevee
I don't understand this. For one, there's TWO people not voting.
Okay never mind, SFS said disregard it.
Yes, I'm still here, tentatively.
Insta-lynch based on Robz' flip, or just automatically?
He's avoiding answering direct simple questions, despite repeated requests, instruction sheets, and reminders. His play is not pro-town, regardless of his alignment. So, he's playing like EVERYONE else in the game.
I ASKED OUTRIGHT what questions I needed answered, after twelve hours of absence I couldn't have caught them all by myself. And that is not pro-town?
And I told you, 282 (or whatever the number is) and you haven't answered it. One name, no equivocation. There were instructions. You've avoided it twice. I've not taken the time to find the others (from Insom) because I suspect the responses would be just that, responses rather than answers.
That's NOT WHAT I FEEL THOUGH. I can't give just ONE NAME. That's the situation we're in.
This close to deadline if you don't have any clue who you'd lynch/bet the game on you're doing it wrong
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
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This close to deadline if you don't have any clue who you'd lynch/bet the game on you're doing it wrong
I DO THOUGH. I have a clue as to what I'm doing, thank you.
I have to leave here shortly, as stated at the beginning of the day by me.
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
MODS, IS GRUJAH REALLY VOTING FOR AN IC?
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
100% one of Grujah / Jimmm / Sparky is scum. The RobZ lynch is something scum wants to happen.
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GRUJAH why are you voting Insomniac? >______<
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
MODS, IS GRUJAH REALLY VOTING FOR AN IC?
That or he and sparky are both masons and they haven't realized they should counter claim you yet.
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
MODS, IS GRUJAH REALLY VOTING FOR AN IC?
That or he and sparky are both masons and they haven't realized they should counter claim you yet.
lulz.
I didn't like people pointing out Grujah is voting for me because I wanted to see if he unvoted me in his next post.
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Here's a reminder:
Insomniac, the only thing I care about: Will you listen to me after I am dead? DO NOT LYNCH FRISK, JIMM IS OBVSCUM, PROBABLY EEVEE TOO.
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
MODS, IS GRUJAH REALLY VOTING FOR AN IC?
I didn't unvote in a while, I though my vote was on Robz.
I g2g, friend has his.. uhm.. "slava" I cannot really find English translation right now. As such, Vote: Robz
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Robz - GOD DAMNIT, SHUTUP ABOUT YOUR REMINDER AND BE USEFUL NOW
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Robz - GOD DAMNIT, SHUTUP ABOUT YOUR REMINDER AND BE USEFUL NOW
I would be so angry @ grujah IIWS.
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
MODS, IS GRUJAH REALLY VOTING FOR AN IC?
I didn't unvote in a while, I though my vote was on Robz.
I g2g, friend has his.. uhm.. "slava" I cannot really find English translation right now. As such, Vote: Robz
MODS, PLEASE CHECK CAREFULLY
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Not Voting (2): Eevee
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Not Voting (2): Eevee
I unvoted Frisk
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Not Voting (2): Eevee
Who the hell is Eevee?
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Not Voting (2): Eevee
I unvoted Frisk
I know. I'm pointing out that eevee isn't voting, which is obvcriminal.
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Robz - GOD DAMNIT, SHUTUP ABOUT YOUR REMINDER AND BE USEFUL NOW
Uh, ok.
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I have to go now guys, so I can't stay here longer. Hopefully we've nailed scum by the time I come back.
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Not Voting (2): Eevee
I unvoted Frisk
I know. I'm pointing out that eevee isn't voting, which is obvcriminal.
His comment was directed at the Mods, I think
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I have to go now guys, so I can't stay here longer. Hopefully we've nailed scum by the time I come back.
Unvote first please
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I have double-checked, and Grujah's vote in 1.7 was correct.
Vote Count 1.8
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
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Not Voting (2): Eevee
I unvoted Frisk
I know. I'm pointing out that eevee isn't voting, which is obvcriminal.
His comment was directed at the Mods, I think
No it was at frisk.
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
MODS, IS GRUJAH REALLY VOTING FOR AN IC?
I didn't unvote in a while, I though my vote was on Robz.
I g2g, friend has his.. uhm.. "slava" I cannot really find English translation right now. As such, Vote: Robz
(http://i.snag.gy/ei96H.jpg)
So he had to go, but wanted to check guilds spoilers first.
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SFS QT response please.
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RobZ - rank the scumminess of the other 4.
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RobZ - rank the scumminess of the other 4.
It's tough, because sparky is seeming scummier to me. I still have to go Jimm as number 1 scum.
After that, garr, I'm not as certain as I was. Eevee is acting differently, but maybe it's that legit excuse.
I still have less of a scumvibe from sparky I guess.
Jimmy > Grujah > Eevee > sparky I GUESS
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QT is active, Insom.
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vote: sparky
mafiagsmes done. just playing tekken with friends, have phone access now. there was a lot of reading.
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Here comes eevee to save the day - he's posting something. Anticipation!!!!!
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not being online when the activity happens really sucksss
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vote: sparky
mafiagsmes done. just playing tekken with friends, have phone access now. there was a lot of reading.
He hasn't read shit - he wasn't on the viewing thread list list.
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I hate that essentially there is 3 people playing this game
SFS
Frisk
Me
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I hate that essentially there is 3 people playing this game
SFS
Frisk
Me
I think that's unfair.
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MObiLE iNTERNET SUCKS AGGRAVATION.
I would rather lynch someone other than Robz or Frisk. sparky>gruj>jimm
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vote eevee - who just lied - and you'll be out of the game soon enough so you won't need to worry.
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I hate that essentially there is 3 people playing this game
SFS
Frisk
Me
I think that's unfair.
Prove me wrong instead of posting garbage reminders that don't help at all.
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I hate that essentially there is 3 people playing this game
SFS
Frisk
Me
I think that's unfair.
Prove me wrong instead of posting garbage reminders that don't help at all.
I have like solved the game, what more do you want from me? Lynch Jimm please.
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vote eevee - who just lied - and you'll be out of the game soon enough so you won't need to worry.
if that's a vote, it'll need to be bolded.
Hi Galz!!!!!
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Frisk when I told SFS to go to the QT we discussed Eevee or Grujah.
For me the recent stuff has sealed it
Vote: Eevee
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vote: sparky
mafiagsmes done. just playing tekken with friends, have phone access now. there was a lot of reading.
He hasn't read shit - he wasn't on the viewing thread list list.
lol. obv I read before posting.
Ins, I apologize for my rare irl busies. you know I'd participate more if I could. I'm literally faking going to nathroom so I could read but new pages pop up so fast.
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vote eevee - who just lied - and you'll be out of the game soon enough so you won't need to worry.
if that's a vote, it'll need to be bolded.
Hi Galz!!!!!
I believe I am voting eevee, but just in case
Vote: EEVEE
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wtf. I haven't lied. nothing I can do about getting lynched for being buSy irl I guess.
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wtf. I haven't lied. nothing I can do about getting lynched for being buSy irl I guess.
Unfortunately busy IRL doesn't mean you aren't scum I was busy IRL in VI and was scum
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Vote Count 1.9
Eevee (2, u2): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
sparky5856 (1, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time. 40 minutes.
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vote: sparky
mafiagsmes done. just playing tekken with friends, have phone access now. there was a lot of reading.
He hasn't read shit - he wasn't on the viewing thread list list.
There's no way you read everything. You weren't online, and guests can't view the forum.
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I've gone out of my way to read everything and be able to contributr at least something. but apparently I've just lied ok.
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Grujah, heads up:
Unvote
Vote: Eevee
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I've gone out of my way to read everything and be able to contributr at least something. but apparently I've just lied ok.
How long does it take you to read 140 posts?
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vote: sparky
mafiagsmes done. just playing tekken with friends, have phone access now. there was a lot of reading.
He hasn't read shit - he wasn't on the viewing thread list list.
There's no way you read everything. You weren't online, and guests can't view the forum.
I have been on off reading for the past 5 hours, trying to catch up. sometimes I've been on the last oage, that's when I have posted. dunno if you are lying scum it what.
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Just a warning masons, we actually will fail to lynch eevee if it ends right now.
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Just a warning masons, we actually will fail to lynch eevee if it ends right now.
Am aware, Robz will vote Eevee though.
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I guess I can vote for Eevee.
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I've gone out of my way to read everything and be able to contributr at least something. but apparently I've just lied ok.
How long does it take you to read 140 posts?
every time I try to post, I have to click post 5 times because I type slow on mobile.
and it takes quite a long time when most of it is done when you pretend to be going to nathroom or texting.
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eevee - rattle off your reads
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doesn't even feel worth it to defend myself. the entire case seems to be that I lie about irl stuff.
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Frisk, you are clearly tracking who is where. Suggest you set up to monitor deadline presence/absence.
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Vote Count 1.10
Eevee (3, u3): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (0, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
sparky5856 (1, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time. 35 minutes.
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Frisk is either mistaken or lying, don't know.
I think Robz is town.
id lynch sparky>gruj>jimmm
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doesn't even feel worth it to defend myself. the entire case seems to be that I lie about irl stuff.
Eevee I just want to be clear, I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE LYING.
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Vote: Eevee
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I wish I had been saving snapshots etc, but I absolutely have been scanning who's online... it's possible that eevee did very periodic refreshes of "all" on his mobile and I just didn't see him because he was on page 2, but i'm kindof not buying it, and his apathy isn't helping matters.
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doesn't even feel worth it to defend myself. the entire case seems to be that I lie about irl stuff.
Eevee I just want to be clear, I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE LYING.
:)
Frisk does though.
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Just a warning masons, we actually will fail to lynch eevee if it ends right now.
Which is the point I made back on about page 6 or so. The system is very manipulatable.
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doesn't even feel worth it to defend myself. the entire case seems to be that I lie about irl stuff.
Eevee I just want to be clear, I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE LYING.
I think he's being truthful about busy, but I question whether he's actually read the 140 posts in his big gap this afternoon.
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Robz sort of tipped it though.
Insom, QT.
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HOW CAN I PROVE MY TOWNINESS. pissed at Frisk!
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doesn't even feel worth it to defend myself. the entire case seems to be that I lie about irl stuff.
Eevee I just want to be clear, I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE LYING.
I think he's being truthful about busy, but I question whether he's actually read the 140 posts in his big gap this afternoon.
lol obv I did. it's 11pm here.
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doesn't even feel worth it to defend myself. the entire case seems to be that I lie about irl stuff.
Eevee I just want to be clear, I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE LYING.
I think he's being truthful about busy, but I question whether he's actually read the 140 posts in his big gap this afternoon.
Eevee - if you're town, then I'm sorry; give us some reads to work with, and hopefully your death won't be wasted.
Rank them!
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HOW CAN I PROVE MY TOWNINESS. pissed at Frisk!
You can't, its the nature of the game. You haven't provided a single read all game.
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Frisk is either mistaken or lying, don't know.
I think Robz is town.
id lynch sparky>gruj>jimmm
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I have like three times.
sparky Grujah Jimmm robz.
no idea about Frisk, depends so much whether he is lying or not. he could be anywhere from scummiest to 4th scummiest
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HOW CAN I PROVE MY TOWNINESS. pissed at Frisk!
You can't, its the nature of the game. You haven't provided a single read all game.
Right now though, your wagon consists of 2 ICs, myself (town) and my biggest town read, so I'm honestly feeling pretty good.
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I have like three times.
sparky Grujah Jimmm robz.
no idea about Frisk, depends so much whether he is lying or not. he could be anywhere from scummiest to 4th scummiest
Then we're in agreement, and we'll be fine. I'll happily lynch sparky / grujah or jimm tomorrow.
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I really don't understand why frisk mischaracterizes stuff I say, do or am all the time. I guess it makes me think he is likely to be scum.
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Vote Count 1.11
Eevee (4, u4): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (0, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (0, u1): Robz888
sparky5856 (1, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time. 27 minutes.
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sucks, I don't want to vote for Robz, he is my strongest town read. you'll just lynch me tomorrow. I should maybe self vote here, seems like our only chance because you seem set on me.
I haven't even read any of the other
threads on this forum, or facebook. I've tried to keep up as well as possible.
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robz usually reads me well, where is heee now?
frisk ins and Apparently SfS do think my normal behavior pretty much warrants a vote.
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I don't think your behavior here has been normal.
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
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Heads up - Jimmmmmmmm has been sitting on "Viewing Unread topics since last visit for 6 minutes"
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And robZ has been writing an essay for a similar amount of time
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I don't think your behavior here has been normal.
Well, either way the tunnel seems never ending.
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MODS. I've posed a question in the QT that is inappropriate to post here. Can you respond there please?
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I don't think your behavior here has been normal.
Well, either way the tunnel seems never ending.
I will feel really bad if you are town.
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MODS. I've posed a question in the QT that is inappropriate to post here. Can you respond there please?
Sorry forgot the bold:
MODS. I've posed a question in the QT that is inappropriate to post here. Can you respond there please?
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I don't think your behavior here has been normal.
Either way, the tunnel seems never ending.
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MODS. I've posed a question in the QT that is inappropriate to post here. Can you respond there please?
Done.
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I don't think your behavior here has been normal.
Well, either way the tunnel seems never ending.
Hey, I've tunneled a lot of people I just hope I get Gold in the end.
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
I've already said what I think like a million times. Since I haven't changed my mind (Frisk is town, Jimm is certainly scum, and then 2 of sparky, Grujah, and Eevee), I have nothing new to say.
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Heads up - Jimmmmmmmm has been sitting on "Viewing Unread topics since last visit for 6 minutes"
I think Jimm is scum, but where else is he supposed to sit? I just have things open while I play Dominion. Just blew a KC-Bridge game.
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I don't think your behavior here has been normal.
Well, either way the tunnel seems never ending.
I will feel really bad if you are town.
Sorry for the double posts, on top of all the other stuff, internet is also failing.
Why am I scummier than sparky? or Jimm or Grujah as well.
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
I've already said what I think like a million times. Since I haven't changed my mind (Frisk is town, Jimm is certainly scum, and then 2 of sparky, Grujah, and Eevee), I have nothing new to say.
Was this the message you started composing @ 4:02?
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
I've already said what I think like a million times. Since I haven't changed my mind (Frisk is town, Jimm is certainly scum, and then 2 of sparky, Grujah, and Eevee), I have nothing new to say.
Some essay.
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vote: jimmmm ?
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So stressful!
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I don't think your behavior here has been normal.
Well, either way the tunnel seems never ending.
I will feel really bad if you are town.
Sorry for the double posts, on top of all the other stuff, internet is also failing.
Why am I scummier than sparky? or Jimm or Grujah as well.
Sparky lynch not gonna happen, I don't think Jimm is mega scummy, Grujah was the other person we considered.
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
I've already said what I think like a million times. Since I haven't changed my mind (Frisk is town, Jimm is certainly scum, and then 2 of sparky, Grujah, and Eevee), I have nothing new to say.
Was this the message you started composing @ 4:02?
I did not start composing a message at 4:02. You are way, way, over reliant on this.
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I'd be ever so okay with Gruj if me and robz were the alternatives (and we are).
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Well this is a change of events. Really not sure what to make of this. Have to go back and re-read Eevee ASAP.
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frisk you are seriously 100% wrong at least about me not reading the thread. so don't take stuff you glean from there as 100% truths if you are town.
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
I've already said what I think like a million times. Since I haven't changed my mind (Frisk is town, Jimm is certainly scum, and then 2 of sparky, Grujah, and Eevee), I have nothing new to say.
And yet everyone else has something to say, Robz if your town you should be giving us your opinion on things that are happening, not just these are my reads thats all I'm giving you. Me and SFS don't have as much information as you assuming your town and we're talking about EVERYTHING help us out and talk about everything.
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Vote Count 1.12
Eevee (4, u4): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (0, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u2): Robz888, Eevee
sparky5856 (0, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time. 13 minutes.
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I don't like it either Insomniac. I really don't like that Grujah and Sparky are both away for lynch
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
I've already said what I think like a million times. Since I haven't changed my mind (Frisk is town, Jimm is certainly scum, and then 2 of sparky, Grujah, and Eevee), I have nothing new to say.
And yet everyone else has something to say, Robz if your town you should be giving us your opinion on things that are happening, not just these are my reads thats all I'm giving you. Me and SFS don't have as much information as you assuming your town and we're talking about EVERYTHING help us out and talk about everything.
He's not town, or he'd have been screaming about lurkers.
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people so you really think I'm
the best lynch for today now that I've
gotten some posts in too?
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if I switch to Robz, will you just auto lynch me tomorrow?
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people so you really think I'm
the best lynch for today now that I've
gotten some posts in too?
If I stick with my RobZ == town theory, then it doesn't matter. I'd prefer to lynch sparky - because nobody else wants to.
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if I switch to Robz, will you just auto lynch me tomorrow?
Can't answer that obviously, but if he's town it won't be good for you.
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
I've already said what I think like a million times. Since I haven't changed my mind (Frisk is town, Jimm is certainly scum, and then 2 of sparky, Grujah, and Eevee), I have nothing new to say.
And yet everyone else has something to say, Robz if your town you should be giving us your opinion on things that are happening, not just these are my reads thats all I'm giving you. Me and SFS don't have as much information as you assuming your town and we're talking about EVERYTHING help us out and talk about everything.
Okay, Eevee I am not like the most confident ever that he is scum and I would much prefer to lynch Jimm.
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Robz is a town read for me, but obv I know I'm ytown myself so. just if you are just lynching me tomorrow either way, it's better to kill me today so we can at least win if Robz is town
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I'm here. Thanks VG. Stick around.
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I'm town what should I do?
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TBH Im peeved at Robz. He complains I say he isn't participating and then continues to fail to post any real content here.
I've already said what I think like a million times. Since I haven't changed my mind (Frisk is town, Jimm is certainly scum, and then 2 of sparky, Grujah, and Eevee), I have nothing new to say.
Worst. Townie. Ever.
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I'm town what should I do?
I could be convinced onto a Grujah wagon if it was viable in the ~8 minutes we have
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Vote Count 1.14
Eevee (4, u4): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (0, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u2): Robz888, Eevee
sparky5856 (0, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time. 13 minutes.
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vote: Grujah
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lets go Grujah!!
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I really don't know. This game is too much for me. Vote: Eevee for lurking more than normal I suppose.
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Vote: Jimm
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I'm town what should I do?
I could be convinced onto a Grujah wagon if it was viable in the ~8 minutes we have
It would need to happen fast. Too easy for stuff to fail, with defensible excuses tomorrow.
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Thread Locked
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Final Vote Count
Eevee (5, u5): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, Jimmmmm
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (1, u2): SwitchedFromStarcraft, Eevee
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (0, u2): Robz888, Eevee
sparky5856 (0, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
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That was riveting. Impressive. Insane. But did they learn anything?
Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, and Jimmmmm pointed to Eevee, who sat, resigned to his fate. They asked him to walk over to the tree. The noose did its business automatically.
Congratulations!
Not really. Eevee was a Vanilla Townie. That is distressing, humans. Consider your surroundings. You are surrounded.
Day 2 has begun. It ends in 24 hours.
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A janitor somewhere bumped an intercom button, letting mood music flood the simulation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcgruWlXnQ
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FUCK
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I AM SUPER STRESSED BUT JIMM WTF WE WERE STILL DISCUSSING
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Vote: Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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@eevee i'm sorry
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RobZ - did you tell Jim to scumhammer?
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Sorry guys, I missed that. I have no excuse, that was lame.
But Robz, if you're Town unvote and let the ICs talk about this. We can't afford a quickhammer now, you know that.
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Sorry guys, I missed that. I have no excuse, that was lame.
But Robz, if you're Town unvote and let the ICs talk about this. We can't afford a quickhammer now, you know that.
Well, 100% one of RobZ + Jimm is scum.
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Also, that's a lot of 'm's.
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Sorry guys, I missed that. I have no excuse, that was lame.
But Robz, if you're Town unvote and let the ICs talk about this. We can't afford a quickhammer now, you know that.
There's not going to be any quickhammer on you. You, sir, are scum.
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So the question is... is RobZ scum or Jim, or both?
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Sorry guys, I missed that. I have no excuse, that was lame.
But Robz, if you're Town unvote and let the ICs talk about this. We can't afford a quickhammer now, you know that.
Well, 100% at least one of RobZ + Jimm is scum.
FTFY
If its Robz I'm gonna be super mad at Frisk
If Robz is town then this quote from the Mason QT is important - "lol robz IS the worst townie this game if hes town"
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So the question is... is RobZ scum or Jim, or both?
Nothing fundamental has changed. The scum team is Jimm, Grujah, and sparky.
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Sorry guys, I missed that. I have no excuse, that was lame.
But Robz, if you're Town unvote and let the ICs talk about this. We can't afford a quickhammer now, you know that.
Well, 100% at least one of RobZ + Jimm is scum.
FTFY
If its Robz I'm gonna be super mad at Frisk
If Robz is town then this quote from the Mason QT is important - "lol robz IS the worst townie this game if hes town"
Screw you. Go to hell.
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The Golden Rule:
Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.
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My money is on both. Jim is new, he wouldn't do it on his own. Grujah and Sparky are elsewhere.
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You know what, I'm sticking with my original theory. Robz, Frisk and Grujah. I know at least one of Robz and Frisk is scum, which by Robz' reasoning means they both are. And Grujah is my most likely third, although he could swap out with sparky, I don't know.
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Jimm at this point if Frisk is scum, well I tip my hat to him and lose to him with a smile.
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I'm gone for a few hours for dinner.
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Frisk
1) Took a stance where he outted the two PRs
2) Was involved in ALL the conversation in a way that didn't seem fake or forced
3) Voted for Eevee when it was highly unlikely that that was going to happen.
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Frisk could do all of those things as scum, but I won't believe he did this game.
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As to The Robz/Jimmm
First of all I'm truly sorry if I offended you Robz, I think your normally a great player, I just have been less satisfied with your posting this game.
Now the analysis
1) Robz unvote Eevee revote for Jimmmm was 20 seconds after Jimmmmm hammered.
2) Jimmm hammered Eevee when conversation was still happening.
These will be key.
I think that 1 ACTUALLY makes it likely they are not BOTH scum
I think 2 makes it likely that Jimmmm is scum.
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You are correct sir, how do you and SFS want to proceed? I'm so bummed out.
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As to The Robz/Jimmm
First of all I'm truly sorry if I offended you Robz, I think your normally a great player, I just have been less satisfied with your posting this game.
Now the analysis
1) Robz unvote Eevee revote for Jimmmm was 20 seconds after Jimmmmm hammered.
2) Jimmm hammered Eevee when conversation was still happening.
These will be key.
I think that 1 ACTUALLY makes it likely they are not BOTH scum
I think 2 makes it likely that Jimmmm is scum.
You don't think RobZ would have the balls to co-ordinate a simul-vote?
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enjoy the game.
How can we when I just lynched eevee? Have some respect for the dead!
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As to The Robz/Jimmm
First of all I'm truly sorry if I offended you Robz, I think your normally a great player, I just have been less satisfied with your posting this game.
Now the analysis
1) Robz unvote Eevee revote for Jimmmm was 20 seconds after Jimmmmm hammered.
2) Jimmm hammered Eevee when conversation was still happening.
These will be key.
I think that 1 ACTUALLY makes it likely they are not BOTH scum
I think 2 makes it likely that Jimmmm is scum.
You don't think RobZ would have the balls to co-ordinate a simul-vote?
Oh absolutely he would, but if it failed it exposes Jimmmm
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As to The Robz/Jimmm
First of all I'm truly sorry if I offended you Robz, I think your normally a great player, I just have been less satisfied with your posting this game.
Now the analysis
1) Robz unvote Eevee revote for Jimmmm was 20 seconds after Jimmmmm hammered.
2) Jimmm hammered Eevee when conversation was still happening.
These will be key.
I think that 1 ACTUALLY makes it likely they are not BOTH scum
I think 2 makes it likely that Jimmmm is scum.
You don't think RobZ would have the balls to co-ordinate a simul-vote?
Oh absolutely he would, but if it failed it exposes Jimmmm
How would it fail?
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Either way, jimmmm = scum, because we were about to hammer grujah?
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As to The Robz/Jimmm
First of all I'm truly sorry if I offended you Robz, I think your normally a great player, I just have been less satisfied with your posting this game.
Now the analysis
1) Robz unvote Eevee revote for Jimmmm was 20 seconds after Jimmmmm hammered.
2) Jimmm hammered Eevee when conversation was still happening.
These will be key.
I think that 1 ACTUALLY makes it likely they are not BOTH scum
I think 2 makes it likely that Jimmmm is scum.
You don't think RobZ would have the balls to co-ordinate a simul-vote?
Oh absolutely he would, but if it failed it exposes Jimmmm
How would it fail?
Robz posts first
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As to The Robz/Jimmm
First of all I'm truly sorry if I offended you Robz, I think your normally a great player, I just have been less satisfied with your posting this game.
Now the analysis
1) Robz unvote Eevee revote for Jimmmm was 20 seconds after Jimmmmm hammered.
2) Jimmm hammered Eevee when conversation was still happening.
These will be key.
I think that 1 ACTUALLY makes it likely they are not BOTH scum
I think 2 makes it likely that Jimmmm is scum.
You don't think RobZ would have the balls to co-ordinate a simul-vote?
Oh absolutely he would, but if it failed it exposes Jimmmm
How would it fail?
Robz posts first
Speaking from quickhammering experience, 20 seconds is about the right amount of time to make sure it went through.
I was refreshing like mad waiting for the other votes to hit, and when they finally did, I posted 15 seconds late.
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Im leaning towards lynching Jimmmm today for that hammer. But I have to think on it a bit.
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This is just like Blitz V all over again, except this time it actually meant something. I'm sorry, there's just too much going on for me to keep track of. I deserve to be lynched, I really do, and I was that close to actually selfvoting, that's how much of an idiot I felt like, until I realised that would lose us the game. I have no answers now, just need to think things over.
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Well it's 9am now and I've been awake for nearly 24 hours. Please don't lynch me until I've had some time to sleep and look at things properly. I really am sorry. I was just thinking "Well deadline's almost here I guess we're lynching Eevee, let's make it happen." Just need to learn not to blindly follow the Masons and NOT to ignore the red warning when I try to post. Just don't throw the game away based on my mistake.
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Well it's 9am now and I've been awake for nearly 24 hours. Please don't lynch me until I've had some time to sleep and look at things properly. I really am sorry. I was just thinking "Well deadline's almost here I guess we're lynching Eevee, let's make it happen." Just need to learn not to blindly follow the Masons and NOT to ignore the red warning when I try to post. Just don't throw the game away based on my mistake.
So you believe RobZ to be scum?
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Yes, yeah I think that's probably most likely.
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Im leaning towards lynching Jimmmm today for that hammer. But I have to think on it a bit.
Take your time, either way the game is over for you most likely. Probably helpful to provide day 3 instruction as well.
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Thoughts for Day 3. Don't lynch Robz. It's probably easier to determine his partner, if he doesn't have a partner we just win.
Frisk is town treat him as an IC.
I'm not sure for today I'm deciding on Grujah/Jimmm
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Thoughts for Day 3. Don't lynch Robz. It's probably easier to determine his partner, if he doesn't have a partner we just win.
Frisk is town treat him as an IC.
I'm not sure for today I'm deciding on Grujah/Jimmm
If you think RobZ is more likely to be town than anyone else the it doesn't matter who we lynch, everyone else is scum.
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Thoughts for Day 3. Don't lynch Robz. It's probably easier to determine his partner, if he doesn't have a partner we just win.
Frisk is town treat him as an IC.
I'm not sure for today I'm deciding on Grujah/Jimmm
If you think RobZ is more likely to be town than anyone else the it doesn't matter who we lynch, everyone else is scum.
I'm aware of that, but we have white flag. Meaning we don't have to decide on Robz and someone else
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Frisk and SFS I need an outside opinion on the Robz thing were I said he's played a terrible town game and his resulting telling me to go to hell.
Is Robz more likely to have that reaction as scum or town.
I can't make a non biased decision here.
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Okay, I'm back, sorry for my reaction, I had to cool down. I apologize. Blitz is so much more frustrating than non-Blitz!
But... I don't think my town play is so abominable here. The biggest mistake I guess was going along with you guys on Eevee when I really thought Jimm was like hands down more suspicious.
And like, I do expect us to still win, because Frisk is town, and you all seem to accept that I am likely town. It sucks that we managed to lynch the ONE person who was not town... but we've pretty much solved things now if we're right, and I think we are.
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So the reason I have--and still do--suspect Jimm is he was the one person pushing hardest on the one argument that scum needed to make to really turn the tide on this game. That argument was basically, that Frisk and I were both suspicious and who knows which is the scum. That way they could keep you focused on us, even though I believe the most likely thing is we are both town.
By the way, the more I pointed out that the one scum, one town argument against me and Frisk was bogus, the more I saw a shift. Sparky--who is obvscum by default--has been most insistent that Frisk and I are both scum. In the face of an Eevee mislynch, obviously, that's the best case for him to make.
By the way, if somehow we are wrong about Frisk--spectacularly, horribly wrong--we could still win this game, because he would still have two partners in the pool of 3. And that's why i don't think Frisk would have bothered engineering this situation if he were scum.
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A side remark, with the assumption Frisk is town, even if Robz is scum that QT has got to be the most quiet scum qt for blitz yet.
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A side remark, with the assumption Frisk is town, even if Robz is scum that QT has got to be the most quiet scum qt for blitz yet.
And yet we still botched it.
Angry with Eevee.
Angry with myself.
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Frisk can you answer my Q while you are here
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Frisk and SFS I need an outside opinion on the Robz thing were I said he's played a terrible town game and his resulting telling me to go to hell.
Is Robz more likely to have that reaction as scum or town.
I can't make a non biased decision here.
^^ This one.
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Let's look on the bright side: The mere fact that the game continues (despite my vote for Jimm) confirms him as obvscum, yes?
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Let's look on the bright side: The mere fact that the game continues (despite my vote for Jimm) confirms him as obvscum, yes?
This is not the case. Grujah/Sparky have not been online so no quickhammer is possible additionally its possible your scum.
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Frisk?
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Frisk?
I'm here - have some work stuff going on.
I'm willing to vote Jimmmmm, and then mock him mercilessly if he is town.
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I asked you a question twice >:(
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Frisk?
I'm here - have some work stuff going on.
I'm willing to vote Jimmmmm, and then mock him mercilessly if he is town.
Grujah would be my next pick. He is def. scum if robz. is town, and he's also scum in the event that Jimmm attempted to save him by scum hammering.
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Frisk and SFS I need an outside opinion on the Robz thing were I said he's played a terrible town game and his resulting telling me to go to hell.
Is Robz more likely to have that reaction as scum or town.
I can't make a non biased decision here.
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Use a question mark!
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I honestly don't know. I could see it either way. RobZ read town to me up until the co-ordinated hammer / vote slide.
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potentially co-ordinated
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Alright well Vote: Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Vote: Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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wait - before SFS hammers - what are the instructions tomorrow? Grujha?
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btw Grujah is the lynch of choice tomorrow, and I appologize if we lose for being the worst IC ever.
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btw Grujah is the lynch of choice tomorrow, and I appologize if we lose for being the worst IC ever.
is sfs around?
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No
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BTW to give away a small part of my meta, I am more inclined to think personal attacks stem from town then from scum.
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Actually it does look like SFS is here.
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btw Grujah is the lynch of choice tomorrow, and I appologize if we lose for being the worst IC ever.
is sfs around?
I am now and am sort of caught up. Are we lynching Jim right now? Cause I'm good with that, and shortening the day to like 1.5 hours.
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btw Grujah is the lynch of choice tomorrow, and I appologize if we lose for being the worst IC ever.
is sfs around?
I am now and am sort of caught up. Are we lynching Jim right now? Cause I'm good with that, and shortening the day to like 1.5 hours.
Yup, then Grujah
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Also wanted to check the QT, nothing there, except making fun of Robz some more.
Dude, we love you AND you've played this game in a style that reminds me of Joth in M4. Not very towny for a townie.
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I really hope RobZ is town at the end of this, because I don't want to play with him any more if he is scum.
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Unvote to check something.
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Insom, I'm hammering in 3 minutes unless you post in thread there is a reason not to.
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Belay that. Also monitoring QT.
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Also wanted to check the QT, nothing there, except making fun of Robz some more.
Dude, we love you AND you've played this game in a style that reminds me of Joth in M4. Not very towny for a townie.
I didn't think I made fun of him more I just thought I broke him cuz he dissappeared after telling me to go to hell.
I'm fine with this hammer
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Vote: Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Nope, sparky and grujah still offline.
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I suspect a long thread lock because they won't have assigned who to kill
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Unvote to check something.
This better be good.
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
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Frisk if your scum and this ends the game I tip my hat to you
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OK, I'm hammering in 2 minutes.
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Unvote to check something.
This better be good.
I have already revoted. Hammer away
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Frisk if your scum and this ends the game I tip my hat to you
I really really wish I was, I would be MVP for sure!
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Frisk if your scum and this ends the game I tip my hat to you
I really really wish I was, I would be MVP for sure!
I actually double checked my PM to make sure that I hadn't been playing the game wrong.
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Frisk if your scum and this ends the game I tip my hat to you
If Frisk is scum, Robz is scum.
I just realized I can't lose here, from a personal standpoint. If my side loses after lynching EV and Jim, we lynched the lurkers, which I'm perpetually happy with.
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Vote: Jimmm thats the hammer.
Flip us, Ash!
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Muahahahahah!
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Just kidding - not scum.
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Robz did I lose it?
Volt? can you flip us sine asher is offline.
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If you did lose it, its not me!
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Twilight is the best!
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unless it has sparkly vampires
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ARE YOU SCUM FRISK STOP TROLLIN ME
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
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Robz did I lose it?
Volt? can you flip us sine asher is offline.
Not to my knowledge!
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Rollin, rollin, rollin,
Rollin, rollin, rollin, (I'm actually singing out loud, with my GF going WTF?)
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
Insomniac - based on this do you want to switch your command to sparky instead?
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ARE YOU SCUM FRISK STOP TROLLIN ME
No, but if I was scum, I would absolutely troll in this situation.
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
Insomniac - based on this do you want to switch your command to sparky instead?
Whoa, not so fast, sparky!
Let's not anger the god of the pre-gloat.
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As would robz i venture.
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
Insomniac - based on this do you want to switch your command to sparky instead?
Whoa, not so fast, sparky!
Let's not anger the god of the pre-gloat.
Plus, Insom's command may not be my wish.
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Nah stay on Grujah
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
Insomniac - based on this do you want to switch your command to sparky instead?
Whoa, not so fast, sparky!
Let's not anger the god of the pre-gloat.
SFS - no matter what lets talk it over tomorrow.
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I also favor grujah, but we should probably at least listen to them and reread.
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
Insomniac - based on this do you want to switch your command to sparky instead?
Okay, yeah, that's what I figured you were going for. I was thinking the same thing ("Actually, the IC should demand the lynch of whichever person Frisk wants to lynch less, between sparky and Grujah.") Glad to know we are on the same page, there, Frisk ;)
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I also favor grujah, but we should probably at least listen to them and reread.
What makes you think either of them would post, they really haven't so far?
Sent voltgloss a PM asking for flip.
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
Insomniac - based on this do you want to switch your command to sparky instead?
Okay, yeah, that's what I figured you were going for. I was thinking the same thing ("Actually, the IC should demand the lynch of whichever person Frisk wants to lynch less, between sparky and Grujah.") Glad to know we are on the same page, there, Frisk ;)
I'm really looking forward to having it out with Insomniac when this is done. I am 100% convinced that what I did was pro town.
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
Insomniac - based on this do you want to switch your command to sparky instead?
Okay, yeah, that's what I figured you were going for. I was thinking the same thing ("Actually, the IC should demand the lynch of whichever person Frisk wants to lynch less, between sparky and Grujah.") Glad to know we are on the same page, there, Frisk ;)
I'm really looking forward to having it out with Insomniac when this is done. I am 100% convinced that what I did was pro town.
I still don't FWIW
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(http://t.qkme.me/3s8y4w.jpg)
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Robz - what do you think of the grujah hammering plan?
It only fails in the 1% case where Grujah is innocent and you are scum, which I don't think is the case, so that's fine.
Try to keep the ICBM's in the silos. And why does it really matter, you got what you wanted. Plus, you know that you'll always get it every time from now on, cause you know what to do to cause it, regardless of what the town wants. You get to be right, whether you're right or not. That's pretty cool.
Insomniac - based on this do you want to switch your command to sparky instead?
Okay, yeah, that's what I figured you were going for. I was thinking the same thing ("Actually, the IC should demand the lynch of whichever person Frisk wants to lynch less, between sparky and Grujah.") Glad to know we are on the same page, there, Frisk ;)
I'm really looking forward to having it out with Insomniac when this is done. I am 100% convinced that what I did was pro town.
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Obv problem with quote. My comment buried in middle.
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Well, when we find out RobZ is scum, I might be convinced otherwise.
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BTW on the offchance I live we will talk about it as well Frisk
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Well, when we find out RobZ is scum, I might be convinced otherwise.
The problem is - if we play this again, and I roll VT again, I won't be made IC, so it will actually be worse for town.
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Well, when we find out RobZ is scum, I might be convinced otherwise.
The problem is - if we play this again, and I roll VT again, I won't be made IC, so it will actually be worse for town.
Oh Frisk, you are NOT IC for outting us, I REALLLLY wanted your head for it.
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Well, when we find out RobZ is scum, I might be convinced otherwise.
The problem is - if we play this again, and I roll VT again, I won't be made IC, so it will actually be worse for town.
Oh Frisk, you are NOT IC for outting us, I REALLLLY wanted your head for it.
I may still, just on principle.
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Well, when we find out RobZ is scum, I might be convinced otherwise.
The problem is - if we play this again, and I roll VT again, I won't be made IC, so it will actually be worse for town.
Oh Frisk, you are NOT IC for outting us, I REALLLLY wanted your head for it.
Please - I'm so obv.town that I might be killed tonight.
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Blitz twilight is the worst. But Im confident he's scum because trolling at this point isn't cool :P
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Would PM Jorbles but he's offline also.
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SFS style even.
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I told ashersky I would keep an eye on this so....
THREAD LOCKED!
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Blitz twilight is the worst. But Im confident he's scum because trolling at this point isn't cool :P
And uncool isn't generally Robz, but this game has been the weirdest so far of my few.
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I'm here, checking over the thread quickly, if there's been a hammer I'll give the flip shortly.
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I need to resolve a question with ash. As he is online, I am hoping we are able to do so soon.
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ash logged off without getting back to me. Ah well. OK, flip incoming.
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Vote Count 2.1
Jimmmmm (4): Robz888, Insomniac, Captain_Frisk, SwitchedFromStarcraft
Not Voting (3): Grujah, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
A janitor somewhere in the complex spilled an ancient cup of coffee. It flowed over two switches: "LYNCH" and "LIGHTS."
First, a noose descended, and Jimmmmm was summarily bundled into it. With his demise came the truth: he was a Mafia Goon.
Second, all the lights went out, with no certainty as to when they would return.
Thread still locked until Jimmmmm identifies his vengekill choice, or until ash decides to proceed otherwise. Please respect the threadlock until then, both here AND in the "where to post when it's night" thread. Thanks all.
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Well, at least they got one right. Should we kill someone good?
SwitchedFromStarcraft, the Town Mason has been vengekilled.
Day 3 starts now. You have 24 hours.
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Interesting
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Proceed on plan insomniac?
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Final Vote Count
Eevee (5, u5): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, Jimmmmm
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (1, u2): SwitchedFromStarcraft, Eevee
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (0, u2): Robz888, Eevee
sparky5856 (0, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
WHAT THE HELL GUYS
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Also, I apologize for not being available to provide the flavor and additional death right away.
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Final Vote Count
Eevee (5, u5): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, Jimmmmm
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (1, u2): SwitchedFromStarcraft, Eevee
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (0, u2): Robz888, Eevee
sparky5856 (0, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
WHAT THE HELL GUYS
You are a day behind son.
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Final Vote Count
Eevee (5, u5): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, Jimmmmm
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (1, u2): SwitchedFromStarcraft, Eevee
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (0, u2): Robz888, Eevee
sparky5856 (0, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
WHAT THE HELL GUYS
You are a day behind son.
You are also scum. Even if you convince insomniac, we are still going to lynch your mate
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Well thanks a lot everyone. Now how do we proceed? We still have no idea if Frisk/Robz are scum, now I'm just supposed to take a blind shot in the dark here. Hell, they could have just chosen to take down/bus Jimmmmm for town points, I don't know.
Two of Robz/Frisk/Grujah is scum. Two.
Ughhhh, why didn't you all listen?!
Insomniac, why are Frisk and Robz basically IC, where do you see that?? At LEAST one is scum, as I know it's not me.
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Final Vote Count
Eevee (5, u5): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, Jimmmmm
Robz888 (3, u4): Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856, Grujah
Grujah (1, u2): SwitchedFromStarcraft, Eevee
Insomniac (0, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (0, u2): Robz888, Eevee
sparky5856 (0, u1): Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
WHAT THE HELL GUYS
You are a day behind son.
Sorry, RL commitments. I really wanted to be here. In fact I should have. You all are playing at the mercy at two people who just proclaim to be IC and you just take their word for it. I'm appalled.
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Well, I'm not gonna argue with Frisk if he's scum. I can't win that battle. VOTE: Captain_Frisk
There's no point is trying to guide me.
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Ok - so your theory is:
1. While we were already pretty set to lynch eevee, I gave JIMMMM the command to scum hammer
2. I then bussed JIMMMMM, and agreed to a plan to lynch Grujah - who is the only person we might have tried to lynch instead.
very plausible.
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Ok - so your theory is:
1. While we were already pretty set to lynch eevee, I gave JIMMMM the command to scum hammer
2. I then bussed JIMMMMM, and agreed to a plan to lynch Grujah - who is the only person we might have tried to lynch instead.
very plausible.
Wowwwwwww that looks so bad.
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Insomniac - get in here - I'll sleep better knowing we won tonight.
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If you and Robz are scum, I've already said, if nobody goes for you two, you've won. Doesn't matter which of Jimmmmm/Grujah/me you go for in the end.
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Ins yes we are lynching Grujah
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Insomniac answer my question, seriously.
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Vote: Grujah
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oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
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Vote Count 3.1
Captain_Frisk (1): Sparky5856
Grujah (1): Captain_Frisk
Not Voting (3): Grujah, Insomniac, Robz888
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
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Sparky it doesn't matter, I have decided I'm not deciding on Robz and I think Frisk is town, because he would have just went for the win yesterday. I now have to decide between you and Grujah and there is a chance you are both scum
Vote: Grujah
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Vote Count 3.2
Captain_Frisk (1): Sparky5856
Grujah (1): Captain_Frisk, Insomniac {L-1}
Not Voting (2): Grujah, Robz888
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
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oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
Well you're so cool and collected because you're about to win. If what I'm saying isn't getting through (because Grujah is the most HARDCORE LURKER I'VE EVER SEEN, and Insomniac refuses to see the light, and yeah good luck convincing Robz), then yeah scum won. I'm all like oh shit oh shit oh shit because, well, I've already stated this a million times.
You've won by making everyone else look bad and still they follow you, I'm wondering how you manage to do it.
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Yeah Robz can quickhammer unless Insomniac unvotes.
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oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
Well you're so cool and collected because you're about to win. If what I'm saying isn't getting through (because Grujah is the most HARDCORE LURKER I'VE EVER SEEN, and Insomniac refuses to see the light, and yeah good luck convincing Robz), then yeah scum won. I'm all like oh shit oh shit oh shit because, well, I've already stated this a million times.
You've won by making everyone else look bad and still they follow you, I'm wondering how you manage to do it.
I am about to win, and I'm SUPER excited about it.
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Yeah Robz can quickhammer unless Insomniac unvotes.
Do you think its possible that Grujah is scum?
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oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
Well you're so cool and collected because you're about to win. If what I'm saying isn't getting through (because Grujah is the most HARDCORE LURKER I'VE EVER SEEN, and Insomniac refuses to see the light, and yeah good luck convincing Robz), then yeah scum won. I'm all like oh shit oh shit oh shit because, well, I've already stated this a million times.
You've won by making everyone else look bad and still they follow you, I'm wondering how you manage to do it.
Sparky you have to know that Grujah is as likely to be scum as Frisk or Robz if your town so you should have no problem lynching him.
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Are you feeling relieved insomniac? The last week of MXV was driving me bonkers.
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(This is a white flag game sparky if Grujah is scum lynching him wins the game for town)
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Sparky it doesn't matter, I have decided I'm not deciding on Robz and I think Frisk is town, because he would have just went for the win yesterday. I now have to decide between you and Grujah and there is a chance you are both scum
Vote: Grujah
I've already said if the scum if Frisk and Robz, it doesn't matter what he would have "went for" because he would have won in the end anyway.
Alright wait... Insomniac (NOT Frisk) tell me why I should go for Grujah.
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Are you feeling relieved insomniac? The last week of MXV was driving me bonkers.
So much so I just wanted to get that vote out there, and see what happens, I'm confident this is a town win.
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The good news is that sparky not hammering here confirms that grujah is not town.
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The good news is that sparky not hammering here confirms that grujah is not town.
You don't know this yet for sure of course, but man I'm feeling good.
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I've already said, I can't picture Robz and Frisk with one being town and one being scum. Their interactions don't spell that out to me. That's why I've been pushing for Frisk and Robz to be scum.
Now, Frisk is pushing for Grujah, who would scum push for here? They can't push scum, cause they would lose. So, they have to push not-scum.
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I've already said, I can't picture Robz and Frisk with one being town and one being scum. Their interactions don't spell that out to me. That's why I've been pushing for Frisk and Robz to be scum.
Now, Frisk is pushing for Grujah, who would scum push for here? They can't push scum, cause they would lose. So, they have to push not-scum.
I think you'll find that you're mistaken sparky. I'm not the one pushing Grujah. Insomniac is. I am willing to lynch either of you.
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Lol sparky assume you are town and you know Eevee was town.
That means that one of Frisk/Robz/Grujah is town, and the others are scum.
Do you really think a Frisk/Robz/Jimmmmmmm team is more likely then Grujah/Jimmmmmmmm/X
I'm putting my money on Grujah/Jimmm/X as opposed to Robz/Frisk/Jimm because if Grujah is partners with any of them we win.
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I've already said, I can't picture Robz and Frisk with one being town and one being scum. Their interactions don't spell that out to me. That's why I've been pushing for Frisk and Robz to be scum.
Now, Frisk is pushing for Grujah, who would scum push for here? They can't push scum, cause they would lose. So, they have to push not-scum.
I think you'll find that you're mistaken sparky. I'm not the one pushing Grujah. Insomniac is. I am willing to lynch either of you.
I actually prefer you because of the slight chance that robz is scum, and he's ok with grujah lynch.
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Yeah Grujah is town. If scum Frisk is pushing Grujah, then Grujah HAS to be town.
Sorry Insomniac I'm not convinced. Frisk and Robz HAS to be the scum team.
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Frisk would also push me. Yeah, same logic.
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Yeah Grujah is town. If scum Frisk is pushing Grujah, then Grujah HAS to be town.
Sorry Insomniac I'm not convinced. Frisk and Robz HAS to be the scum team.
Im willing to vote you instead if you'd like
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(not really I'm staying on Grujah)
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Poor sparky.
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Robz get in here and make me win quicker
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Yeah Grujah is town. If scum Frisk is pushing Grujah, then Grujah HAS to be town.
Sorry Insomniac I'm not convinced. Frisk and Robz HAS to be the scum team.
Im willing to vote you instead if you'd like
Either way you're not hitting scum, so why does it matter.
Wow, okay, so we need ALL THREE townies on scum to lynch? F****************king....
Insomniac I wish I could convince you some other way.
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And of course I need GRUJAH in here too if w're gonna get anywhere.
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Yeah Grujah is town. If scum Frisk is pushing Grujah, then Grujah HAS to be town.
Sorry Insomniac I'm not convinced. Frisk and Robz HAS to be the scum team.
Im willing to vote you instead if you'd like
Either way you're not hitting scum, so why does it matter.
Wow, okay, so we need ALL THREE townies on scum to lynch? F****************king....
Insomniac I wish I could convince you some other way.
you can, you could vote for Grujah
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You know you still have yet to answer my question on why Frisk is IC to you. Because he said so? Tell me, what did I miss that you didn't?
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Sparky heres the thing I'm not moving my vote. Im 100% confident that Frisk is town. You not hammering Grujah is super scummy.
So since I'm not moving my vote theres no way you can hammer scum, only town.
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And of course I need GRUJAH in here too if w're gonna get anywhere.
Do you disagree with my refutation of your case against me?
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Sparky heres the thing I'm not moving my vote. Im 100% confident that Frisk is town. You not hammering Grujah is super scummy.
So since I'm not moving my vote theres no way you can hammer scum, only town.
His not hammering Grujah confirms that Grujah is not the other townie. If he was - then sparky would be scum, and he'd hammer for the win.
Ergo, either sparky is crazy, or he can't vote his scumbuddy.
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How big was the daychat with SFS? Was it super useful?
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You know you still have yet to answer my question on why Frisk is IC to you. Because he said so? Tell me, what did I miss that you didn't?
Man its not my fault you haven't read day 2.
Frisk has done sooooo many things that he just wouldnt do as scum.
1) Pushed to out the IC's
2) ARGUED with an IC relentlessly
3) Narrowed the pool down to Eevee/Grujah/Sparky/Jimmm which contains at least 2 of his buddies
4) Reconsidered Robz a bunch
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How big was the daychat with SFS? Was it super useful?
It was pretty useful we pulled a few gambits, theres over 100 messages in there. That said I'm still not sure outting day 1 was best.
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Sparky you realize that
1) I'm not moving my vote
2) You think Frisk/Robz are scum
3) Therefore you can't actually achieve lynching anyone.
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How big was the daychat with SFS? Was it super useful?
It was pretty useful we pulled a few gambits, theres over 100 messages in there. That said I'm still not sure outting day 1 was best.
how much of your fight with me was staged?
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Okay you only need ONE scum on someone to mislynch, and you need all three townies on scum to lynch them. Since I believe Frisk is scum and is going for either Grujah or me, that's what steering me away from Grujah.
And tell me, I'm currently arguing with a who-now?
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Go out with style Sparky, lynch your scum buddy!
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How big was the daychat with SFS? Was it super useful?
It was pretty useful we pulled a few gambits, theres over 100 messages in there. That said I'm still not sure outting day 1 was best.
how much of your fight with me was staged?
At some point i was super super pissed, but was hoping that you were playing it up to see who jumped on me.
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How big was the daychat with SFS? Was it super useful?
It was pretty useful we pulled a few gambits, theres over 100 messages in there. That said I'm still not sure outting day 1 was best.
how much of your fight with me was staged?
At some point i was super super pissed, but was hoping that you were playing it up to see who jumped on me.
It was staged when I asked about Robz or Frisk I was seeing who was willing to get in there
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I'm NOT going to be the reason town loses, unless I can blame it on you....
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(IE when I announced Robz as the lynch as said gimme reasons, if you don't support it then frisk gimme reasons)
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I'm NOT going to be the reason town loses, unless I can blame it on you....
You can blame it on me.
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Tell me Insomniac, what will your reaction be once it's revealed that Frisk is scum?
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Tell me Insomniac, what will your reaction be once it's revealed that Frisk is scum?
I'll tip my hat to him and lose with a smile on my face, if he's scum he's earned every minute of this victory
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Tell me Insomniac, what will your reaction be once it's revealed that Frisk is scum?
Can you imagine how hard I'm laughing at this right now?
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Go out with style Sparky, lynch your scum buddy!
You can blame it on me.
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.......
I mean, we still have plenty of time left D3. Although you probably want to end this now don't you, you're not gonna think this over...
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Sparky man with every post its just increasingly evident your Grujah's buddy
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Fos: RobZ for denying SFS the ability to come in and celebrate
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Okay, I guess I'm convinced.
VOTE: GRUJAH
If he's town, then scum HAVE earned this.
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God what did I just do.
Now, we wait for the flip....
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God what did I just do.
Now, we wait for the flip....
Are you trolling sparky?
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CF do I have to tip my hat to you?
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Tell me Frisk, you're really scum aren't you. Who was your scumbuddy?
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Lol will be super happy if its Robz/Grujah
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Tell me Frisk, you're really scum aren't you. Who was your scumbuddy?
If you just lynched town, wouldn't it be obvious?
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I feel like I was inadequate in my explanations, I just wanted to rush into things. Blitz is different I suppose.
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If you guys are trollin friendship OVER
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Tell me Frisk, you're really scum aren't you. Who was your scumbuddy?
If you just lynched town, wouldn't it be obvious?
...F**k, what did I do, ashersky where are you....
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uh. Thread Locked. I think.
ashersky is online, he should be here shortly.
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(http://i.qkme.me/3s90mm.jpg)
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oh sure ash, log off why don't you, FINE THEN i'll write up a flip :)
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Thread Locked!
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Wow. I can't believe he pulled it off. I knew there was a reason we put them together. I guess that's why they call him Captain...
Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, and Sparky dragged a sleeping Grujah over to the tree and let the noose slowly put him to a neverending sleep.
Frisk, you should take a bow. You led your team to a win. Very impressive...for you. Maybe not for the rest of humanity, though.
Grujah was a Vanilla Townie. Captain_Frisk and Robz win!
Grujah was a Mafia Goon! Sparky raised his hands in fear. Town wins!
Game Over!
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Nice slowroll, and epic game. Wp guys.
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FRISK WITH THE ULTIMATE APPEAL TO EMOTION, "IM SORRY IF YOU ARE TOWN, EEVEE".
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Okay, not really. Trollmod is troll.
Congrats to town!
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!! HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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Who was the team?
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wait huh
grujah was scum?
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Come on asher - you could have let it go until insomniac came in here and raged.
Was sparky really town?
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Oh ash, you such a troll.
That game was just one big WTF for me.
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The flip is still wrong, who was Grujah/Jimmmmmmms partner sparky or Robz?
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I'm town insomniac, but I told Volt and asher that if they wanted to troll me as scum mastermind, they were free to do so.
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It was me and the two lurkers.
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Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH
Masons QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/67Yduv2hDEanw
Spec QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/MD6MCL5mFswjH
Mod QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/8RYvSeTJmVi
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I'm town insomniac, but I told Volt and asher that if they wanted to troll me as scum mastermind, they were free to do so.
:)
Was Robz or sparky scum?
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Mafia QT: =http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH (http://=http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH)
I hope you all appreciate how difficult this game was for me.
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I slept for twelve hours at a time, that's what killed me >_<
I was scum. xD
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I GOT TROLLED.
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lulz, LaLL all the time always.
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Whoops, that should be
Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH)
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Mafia QT: =http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH (http://=http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH)
I hope you all appreciate how difficult this game was for me.
Fully appreciated. I think that the masons is way tooo much power for town to be fair.
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LAE, lynch all eevees.
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Whoops, sorry, yeah, Grujah was scum, Sparky was also scum.
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Our problem was that, as you'll all CLEARLY see in the Mafia QT, we all could never get coordinated. Blitz does that to you.
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Mafia QT: =http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH (http://=http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH)
I hope you all appreciate how difficult this game was for me.
Fully appreciated. I think that the masons is way tooo much power for town to be fair.
I really wanted to see a counter-claim.
Also, Captain_Frisk gets the MVP.
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Mafia QT: =http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH (http://=http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH)
I hope you all appreciate how difficult this game was for me.
Fully appreciated. I think that the masons is way tooo much power for town to be fair.
I fully agree. xD
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Our problem was that, as you'll all CLEARLY see in the Mafia QT, we all could never get coordinated. Blitz does that to you.
This. Long strings of one person posting over and over.
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Mafia QT: =http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH (http://=http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/cHQgRdUyHwFmH)
I hope you all appreciate how difficult this game was for me.
Fully appreciated. I think that the masons is way tooo much power for town to be fair.
I really wanted to see a counter-claim.
Also, Captain_Frisk gets the MVP.
No, counterclaim would never have worked.
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Yeah sorry guys I posted as much as I could but there were long periods of time where I couldn't even log on to the forum, not just avoid this thread.
Yeah, counterclaim = no.
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You'll see in the Mod QT I thought a single mason claim by scum might work.
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I think Masons make the Town too powerful.
The 'wait to claim' and daychat made them too powerful.
I do have a suggestion: You could make 2 Town players 'Comrades'. They are just confirmed Town to each other.
It's like ICs, but makes it tougher for the Mafia to know who to kill. Or they could just claim that they're comrades at the start, and the game would be virtually the same.
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When I lurk I avoid the threads entirely. I was trying REALLY hard to participate, but I just wasn't on the forum enough.
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Okay I'd love some opinions.
In my situation at end of day 1, would you have bussed Grujah or hammered Eevee?
Robz, what was it that made me obvscum to you (before I hammered Eevee)? Did I play differently to how I play as Town?
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LAE, lynch all eevees.
I am sorry, but at the same time I felt pretty decent that even lynching with a mislynch - we were going to get the win.
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Okay I'd love some opinions.
In my situation at end of day 1, would you have bussed Grujah or hammered Eevee?
Robz, what was it that made me obvscum to you (before I hammered Eevee)? Did I play differently to how I play as Town?
As I've modded every game you've ever played (I think), Jimmmmm, I'll say I think you did very well as scum.
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Also, why lynch me in my sleep?
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OH, I'm REALLY annoyed how you all just took Robz and Frisk's word that they were IC. That's why I was pushing them so hard. We needed one of them to die in order to win.
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If I was town I would probably act the same way.
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Also, SFS, you may think about whether you want masons in the next game.
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Okay I'd love some opinions.
In my situation at end of day 1, would you have bussed Grujah or hammered Eevee?
Robz, what was it that made me obvscum to you (before I hammered Eevee)? Did I play differently to how I play as Town?
As I've modded every game you've ever played (I think), Jimmmmm, I'll say I think you did very well as scum.
Thanks. I thought I was avoiding people's suspicions really well until Robz started calling me obvscum, but I still thought I was okay for everyone else. I really wanted the Eevee lynch to go through without my help, but it wasn't looking good.
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Guys - masons are strictly better than the ICs. The masons can claim day 1 (they don't have to) and they can't be counter claimed on day 1.
Totally unfair.
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Heh, I recall saying "catching the entire scumteam day1 just feels too good to be true".
Also Frisk is like the most obvmvp ever.
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Okay I'd love some opinions.
In my situation at end of day 1, would you have bussed Grujah or hammered Eevee?
Robz, what was it that made me obvscum to you (before I hammered Eevee)? Did I play differently to how I play as Town?
As I've modded every game you've ever played (I think), Jimmmmm, I'll say I think you did very well as scum.
Thanks. I thought I was avoiding people's suspicions really well until Robz started calling me obvscum, but I still thought I was okay for everyone else. I really wanted the Eevee lynch to go through without my help, but it wasn't looking good.
You were my top town read out of the 4, but with your scum hammer, that just couldn't be let alone.
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Okay I'd love some opinions.
In my situation at end of day 1, would you have bussed Grujah or hammered Eevee?
Robz, what was it that made me obvscum to you (before I hammered Eevee)? Did I play differently to how I play as Town?
As I've modded every game you've ever played (I think), Jimmmmm, I'll say I think you did very well as scum.
Agreed, I thought he was a fine scum :)
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Okay I'd love some opinions.
In my situation at end of day 1, would you have bussed Grujah or hammered Eevee?
Robz, what was it that made me obvscum to you (before I hammered Eevee)? Did I play differently to how I play as Town?
As I've modded every game you've ever played (I think), Jimmmmm, I'll say I think you did very well as scum.
Thanks. I thought I was avoiding people's suspicions really well until Robz started calling me obvscum, but I still thought I was okay for everyone else. I really wanted the Eevee lynch to go through without my help, but it wasn't looking good.
You were my top town read out of the 4, but with your scum hammer, that just couldn't be let alone.
Yeah I know, and I knew that at the time, I just had to make a snap decision.
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OH, I'm REALLY annoyed how you all just took Robz and Frisk's word that they were IC. That's why I was pushing them so hard. We needed one of them to die in order to win.
Man Robz wasn't an IC until you didn't hammer Grujah I thought it was Grujah/Jimmmmmm/Robz
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Guys - masons are strictly better than the ICs. The masons can claim day 1 (they don't have to) and they can't be counter claimed on day 1.
Totally unfair.
I agree. Masons are more fun than IC's, but just a tad too powerful, especially because the setup was biased towards town to begin with.
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Heh, I recall saying "catching the entire scumteam day1 just feels too good to be true".
Also Frisk is like the most obvmvp ever.
No way, insomniac for being able to get past his rage at me to realize what was going on.
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Also, SFS, you may think about whether you want masons in the next game.
I do have a suggestion: You could make 2 Town players 'Comrades'. They are just confirmed Town to each other.
It's like ICs, but makes it tougher for the Mafia to know who to kill. Or they could just claim that they're comrades at the start, and the game would be virtually the same.
I like my idea. :P
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OH, I'm REALLY annoyed how you all just took Robz and Frisk's word that they were IC. That's why I was pushing them so hard. We needed one of them to die in order to win.
Man Robz wasn't an IC until you didn't hammer Grujah I thought it was Grujah/Jimmmmmm/Robz
I was nervous about RobZ, i'm not gonna lie.
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also Jimm I wouldn't have bussed Grujah or hammered Eevee, I would have left us to our own devices as it was likely to lead to Eevee anyways or Robz who was also town.
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And I feel like I did wayyyy better at IC this time around then last time where I threw the game.
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And I wasn't lying, it's going to be tough the next time I draw scum, because this level of insanity is going to be really hard to fake as scum.
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And I feel like I did wayyyy better at IC this time around then last time where I threw the game.
you played a great game for sure. so did sfs, excellent leading from both of you.
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also Jimm I wouldn't have bussed Grujah or hammered Eevee, I would have left us to our own devices as it was likely to lead to Eevee anyways or Robz who was also town.
Yeah, that's what I wanted to do, but Frisk spotted me on the forum, so I felt like I had to do something. It was starting to look like it was heading for Grujah though, but I guess it might not have. I just wanted Grujah to hammer Eevee, but he wasn't around.
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Anyway thanks for the game guys, if nothing else it was a heart-pumper. Just hoping that if I play as scum again I don't get two Townies obvTowning each other on day 1.
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I bet you all were laughing at me D3 >_<
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Poor sparky.
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post counts from the game (approximately)
87
86
22
161
241
99
75
76
guess which ones were the scum... it is pretty obvious...
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I bet you all were laughing at me D3 >_<
I wasn't but your not hammering meant it was Grujah/Robz or Grujah/Sparky I wasn't willing to consider Frisk
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Well me and Frisk are 161 and 241 :P
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Just read through the scum QT. Jimmm, you certainly did very good for your first time as scum. Impressed.
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Robz get in here.
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Well me and Frisk are 161 and 241 :P
and i was lynched day1 for lurking.
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Just read through the scum QT. Jimmm, you certainly did very good for your first time as scum. Impressed.
The scum qt is hilariou! Too late to get it nominated?
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Well me and Frisk are 161 and 241 :P
and i was lynched day1 for lurking.
I said on Day 1 that only me frisk and sfs were participating
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BTW I have to agree with Frisk being MVP here, I wanted to lynch him silly but he got me to come around on his townieness
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I requested the mod at one point to set everyone who's not scum on fire so that all town players would die. That's how desperate I was.
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I requested the mod at one point to set everyone who's not scum on fire so that all town players would die. That's how desperate I was.
hahaha
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Eevee can we have a code word so that I don't tunnel on you again when you are town?
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Eevee can we have a code word so that I don't tunnel on you again when you are town?
buddy!
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Eevee can we have a code word so that I don't tunnel on you again when you are town?
TBH his desperation at the end made him seem townie
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it's been one long-ass tunnel though.
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Eevee can we have a code word so that I don't tunnel on you again when you are town?
TBH his desperation at the end made him seem townie
It reminded me of being a survivor on robz's mega game. You know who doesn't want to help town with their dying breath or provide reads?
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Eevee can we have a code word so that I don't tunnel on you again when you are town?
TBH his desperation at the end made him seem townie
It reminded me of being a survivor on robz's mega game. You know who doesn't want to help town with their dying breath or provide reads?
You know who did though?
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Eevee can we have a code word so that I don't tunnel on you again when you are town?
buddy!
+400
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Volt when you posted the golden rule ooc was it directed at me robz or both
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oh that reminds me, having both ic's and my (correct) town reads orchestrate my lynch day 1 made me more upset with the game than probably anything ever has before (i'm quite mellow). thanks go to axxle for creating a venting qt for me!
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
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ZM-VII has been truly entertaining to watch. I'm not in the QT, so have absolutely no outside influence - but if I were playing, I would ABSOLUTELY lynch one of Frisk/Robz today. That pair HAS to be broken up, because if Eevee (or anybody else) is lynched and flips town, you cannot afford to mislynch again, and you've no idea if Robz/Frisk are playing the town. What they've set up, if they are both town, is a TERRIBLE position for the town to be in - and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the "Should Masons claim or not" debate.
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Volt when you posted the golden rule ooc was it directed at me robz or both
It was directed at the entire town.
It was triggered by your and Robz's exchange, but it was directed at the entire town.
I can confirm Galz's PM claim.
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Now, independently of the town "needing to lynch one" because of the position they've put the town in...
I also find them scummy as hell, and absolutely believe they are going for a "push it so hard it can't be true" strategy. Hey, props to them if it works.
Of course, Sparky blowing up and typing in all Caps was so ridiculously over the top it almost certainly has to be scum.
And Grujah's here again gone again + Vote on Robz was all unbelievably scummy.
Jimmmm has basically tried to absolve himself from being around at deadline.
And Eevee just isn't Eevee.
And I think that's everybody!
They're all scum! No, but really, Robz/Frisk for scum - or really bad townies! And one of them needs to be lynched today.
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YES! Well done. Nicely handled, Frisk. Frisk is obvMVP here, for a ridiculously pro-town display that also (and this is important) made him obvtown to everyone. (Often obvtowns have bad judgment, or vice versa.) SFS and Insomniac did well too.
Uh, so I was right about the scumteam, basically, though, so that's something! Even from the beginning I was right.
Jimm, you were obvscum because you kept insisting one of me/Frisk were scum, and that didn't make sense, but was simply the point the scumteam needed to establish. Kudos to you for trying though. You did well, but hammering Eeve was a big mistake.
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ZM-VII has been truly entertaining to watch. I'm not in the QT, so have absolutely no outside influence - but if I were playing, I would ABSOLUTELY lynch one of Frisk/Robz today. That pair HAS to be broken up, because if Eevee (or anybody else) is lynched and flips town, you cannot afford to mislynch again, and you've no idea if Robz/Frisk are playing the town. What they've set up, if they are both town, is a TERRIBLE position for the town to be in - and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the "Should Masons claim or not" debate.
THANK YOU. I didn't just think this cause I was scum. I truly felt it. Already said, if I was town, I would have acted the same way I did this game.
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Btw still think claiming is worse than not claiming but also that masons are op in this setup.
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
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I was the jeanne d'arc of this victory then!
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Btw still think claiming is worse than not claiming but also that masons are op in this setup.
That's a tough debate.
If you don't claim early, you end up with actually townies getting punished for trying to scumhunt and failing to do so well (as inevitably happens D1). On top of that, you potentially spend half the day or more building cases on someone who ultimately cannot be scum.
So I understand the desire to get them out in the open early. Two IC's are NOT a bad thing to have.
However, not claiming ALSO makes it harder for scum to play aggressively, for fear of pushing cases on what will turn out to be conf. Town. What's more, if you do not claim AND lynch scum, they get a revenge kill on 1 of 5 town... If they MISS the Masons? They're screwed! If they DO hit a mason? The other can STILL SAFELY CLAIM, since to counter-claim would mean a 1-1 trade, resulting in a scum loss.
Overall I would probably lean to not claiming being the correct play.
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
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By the way I am with my girlfriend right now trying to convince her to play a game.
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
You honestly don't see why yours and CF's play was terrible for the town, and the only reason that you won being Insomniac making an incredibly difficult, but ultimately correct decision?
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
You honestly don't see why yours and CF's play was terrible for the town, and the only reason that you won being Insomniac making an incredibly difficult, but ultimately correct decision?
No... I don't think so, no. Ouch.
I think the Masons claiming was absolutely the right thing to do, and I think Frisk and I pushing for it made us obvtown, and despite the Eevee mistake (which I myself didn't even push) we won like pretty easily. How can you say our play was terrible? We won, like, pretty easily. The ICs were barely even conflicted there.
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
You honestly don't see why yours and CF's play was terrible for the town, and the only reason that you won being Insomniac making an incredibly difficult, but ultimately correct decision?
No... I don't think so, no. Ouch.
I think the Masons claiming was absolutely the right thing to do, and I think Frisk and I pushing for it made us obvtown, and despite the Eevee mistake (which I myself didn't even push) we won like pretty easily. How can you say our play was terrible? We won, like, pretty easily. The ICs were barely even conflicted there.
Galzria, having good reads is only one part of the game. It's a part of the gamr that you are good at (better than me). But convincing people that there is no way you are scum--which is what Frisk and I did here--is also a very, very, very important aspect of the game.
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Our town team in this game was super-stacked with experience btw. 4 guys with more than 1000 mafia posts?
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Our town team in this game was super-stacked with experience btw. 4 guys with more than 1000 mafia posts?
This.
Also, I think if the VTs and Goons had been switched, we'd have seen a very different game.
I love the back and forth you guys are having: "Masons are OP!!!" "Claiming was bad!!" "Claiming won the game for us!!!"
That's why I think the change was worthwhile and fun, because even now we're still arguing.
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Just depends what winrate you want the scum team to have. Town was already >50% with the IC's and masons are strictly better.
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
You honestly don't see why yours and CF's play was terrible for the town, and the only reason that you won being Insomniac making an incredibly difficult, but ultimately correct decision?
No... I don't think so, no. Ouch.
I think the Masons claiming was absolutely the right thing to do, and I think Frisk and I pushing for it made us obvtown, and despite the Eevee mistake (which I myself didn't even push) we won like pretty easily. How can you say our play was terrible? We won, like, pretty easily. The ICs were barely even conflicted there.
I think you misunderstand the issue I have.
It's NOT the claiming, which although I disagree with, I can understand your position on. It's that, as a VT, you CANNOT afford to declare someone as "absolutely town", and vice-versa. Even if you personally feel that way, you cannot afford to stand so staunchly in this setup. The reason is because if the Eevee's of the world get lynched and flip town (and we all know they will), then the town is left with a bitch of a decision. Insomniac got it right here, and major credit to him for it - but while you and Frisk were not likely to be scum/town, you COULD be scum/scum as easily as town/town. And after one town mislynch, you CANNOT afford another.
Now, if you're an IC, you need to decide: If Robz/CF are town, the game is solved. How often is that true? If Robz/CF are SCUM though, then what? Even if you lynch scum D2 (which trust me, Scum!Robz and Scum!CF would make sure happened) then the two lynches left would both fall on town.
You forced the IC's to gamble the whole game D1. After mislynching Eevee, they had no choice but to follow through. If you were scum this game, you would've won just as easily. Proclaiming absolute town reads as a VT is very, very bad. The correct play for the IC's is to lynch one, and if wrong treat the other as an IC - which I get, you were trying to do regarding CF if they lynched you. But at least then thtown doesn't have to throw the entire game on the line D1, and has 3 scum in 4 players remaining.
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Robz. Man. Frisk played well and convinced me he wasn't scum. You. I thought you might be the third and I was leaving you to white flag rule
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
You honestly don't see why yours and CF's play was terrible for the town, and the only reason that you won being Insomniac making an incredibly difficult, but ultimately correct decision?
No... I don't think so, no. Ouch.
I think the Masons claiming was absolutely the right thing to do, and I think Frisk and I pushing for it made us obvtown, and despite the Eevee mistake (which I myself didn't even push) we won like pretty easily. How can you say our play was terrible? We won, like, pretty easily. The ICs were barely even conflicted there.
I think you misunderstand the issue I have.
It's NOT the claiming, which although I disagree with, I can understand your position on. It's that, as a VT, you CANNOT afford to declare someone as "absolutely town", and vice-versa. Even if you personally feel that way, you cannot afford to stand so staunchly in this setup. The reason is because if the Eevee's of the world get lynched and flip town (and we all know they will), then the town is left with a bitch of a decision. Insomniac got it right here, and major credit to him for it - but while you and Frisk were not likely to be scum/town, you COULD be scum/scum as easily as town/town. And after one town mislynch, you CANNOT afford another.
Now, if you're an IC, you need to decide: If Robz/CF are town, the game is solved. How often is that true? If Robz/CF are SCUM though, then what? Even if you lynch scum D2 (which trust me, Scum!Robz and Scum!CF would make sure happened) then the two lynches left would both fall on town.
You forced the IC's to gamble the whole game D1. After mislynching Eevee, they had no choice but to follow through. If you were scum this game, you would've won just as easily. Proclaiming absolute town reads as a VT is very, very bad. The correct play for the IC's is to lynch one, and if wrong treat the other as an IC - which I get, you were trying to do regarding CF if they lynched you. But at least then thtown doesn't have to throw the entire game on the line D1, and has 3 scum in 4 players remaining.
Well, as you point out, that's why I wasn't overly concerned with myself getting lynched, so long as they treated Frisk as obvtown after. But I think Frisk (and to a lesser extent, myself) did a really good job of being like 85% guaranteed town. His reaction to Eevee's mislynch was so real, so human. that's hard to fake. I was even more convinced he was town after that. And this is an important part of the game. I'm very proud of Insomniac for making the right calls (something I struggled with as IC), but I think Frisk gave them a lot of solid evidence to make that call.
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Robz. Man. Frisk played well and convinced me he wasn't scum. You. I thought you might be the third and I was leaving you to white flag rule
I mean, Frisk was saying absolutely everything I thought 100%, which is how I was so convicned he wasn't scum. I actually did think the best thing might be for me to get lynched first, so that you knew to trust him. I'm sorry it was annoying I kept reposting that. It was just really important, I thought.
I don't blame you for worrying I was scum... but I do think the world in which I was scum most likely had Frisk as scum too.
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Oh, and by the way...
Ok, what is a vengekill?
this didn't help our cause at all. xD
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Congrats to town, you still smell bad BTW.
Also, Ash - I don't think that unique vote counting was fair, and also lack of vote counts was very inconvenient, esp during deadlines (what I learned from when I hosted Pirate Mafia is that you should set deadlines at times when you are available).
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@Sparky - yup, I made like 10 scumslips, I was that bad.
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Congrats to town, you still smell bad BTW.
Also, Ash - I don't think that unique vote counting was fair, and also lack of vote counts was very inconvenient, esp during deadlines (what I learned from when I hosted Pirate Mafia is that you should set deadlines at times when you are available).
Fair points. I am usually around for deadline, but worked called me away. D2 and D3 ended on their own.
Unique vote counts have actually never come into play, ever, in any game. Nor has scum gamed them, which I think I would have by now.
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
MODS, IS GRUJAH REALLY VOTING FOR AN IC?
I didn't unvote in a while, I though my vote was on Robz.
I g2g, friend has his.. uhm.. "slava" I cannot really find English translation right now. As such, Vote: Robz
(http://i.snag.gy/ei96H.jpg)
So he had to go, but wanted to check guilds spoilers first.
And OMG, what's with all the stalking. I was waiting for a TAXI (it said it'll come in 7 minutes) and browsed the page meanwhile. Omigosh.
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Jimm, you were obvscum because you kept insisting one of me/Frisk were scum, and that didn't make sense, but was simply the point the scumteam needed to establish. Kudos to you for trying though. You did well, but hammering Eeve was a big mistake.
I really think I would have been uncomfortable with your buddying if I was Town. And yeah, I didn't really see another play. Also, as I was fretting about in the QT, at the end of day 1 I didn't really see a good option for me, and thought hammering was the lesser of three evils. Maybe I was wrong, I don't know. What I wanted was for Grujah to hammer, but he wasn't around.
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Vote Count 1.7
Eevee (1, u1): Captain_Frisk
Robz888 (2, u4): Grujah, Insomniac, Jimmmmm, sparky5856
Grujah (1, u1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
Insomniac (1, u2): Grujah, Captain Frisk
Captain_Frisk (0, u1): Insomniac
SwitchedFromStarcraft (0, u1): Eevee
Jimmmmm (1, u1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Insomniac
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, December 18th, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.
MODS, IS GRUJAH REALLY VOTING FOR AN IC?
I didn't unvote in a while, I though my vote was on Robz.
I g2g, friend has his.. uhm.. "slava" I cannot really find English translation right now. As such, Vote: Robz
(http://i.snag.gy/ei96H.jpg)
So he had to go, but wanted to check guilds spoilers first.
And OMG, what's with all the stalking. I was waiting for a TAXI (it said it'll come in 7 minutes) and browsed the page meanwhile. Omigosh.
Pro town would dictate that you'd be hunting scum right?
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No, it doesn't. I already called the cab, and was waiting for arrival. Couldn't really do anything worthy mafia-wise, and I had time to quick-check interesting threads.
It's the same when I'm say "off to sleep" - I'll prolly lurk some more after than, regardless of alignment.
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On the claiming vs. not, the scenario in which delayed claiming is beneficial is very rare (we have to correctly lynch scum) AND not have one of the masons vengekilled.
I probably wouldn't have forced the issue if it wasn't increasingly clear that RobZ and I were not masons, which meant that scum would be able to POE the masons anyway.
Finally, you'd never make it to L-1 with the masons uncovered. We'd all dick around until deadline, and something bad would happen.
As for the possibility that both RobZ and I are scum... have we ever seen such bold scum play?
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it's been one long-ass tunnel though.
Might want to consider more posting.
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
Then I vote Insomniac for MVP.
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
You honestly don't see why yours and CF's play was terrible for the town, and the only reason that you won being Insomniac making an incredibly difficult, but ultimately correct decision?
No... I don't think so, no. Ouch.
I think the Masons claiming was absolutely the right thing to do, and I think Frisk and I pushing for it made us obvtown, and despite the Eevee mistake (which I myself didn't even push) we won like pretty easily. How can you say our play was terrible? We won, like, pretty easily. The ICs were barely even conflicted there.
Galzria, having good reads is only one part of the game. It's a part of the gamr that you are good at (better than me). But convincing people that there is no way you are scum--which is what Frisk and I did here--is also a very, very, very important aspect of the game.
There is a difference between scum and mafia, even in this setup. Your play was not pro-town, it was mostly the same post over and over again, which, from an IC perspective, is extremely unhelpful. You did do one thing to help the town though. You kept me from demanding a Frisk policy lynch, because I couldn't decide if I wanted you more.
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I do agree that RobZ's unwillingness to help was kindof a pain, but I can also see that from his perspective the game was over as long as we didn't lynch either of us.
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fwiw, and I'll provide the PM's to Volt (prior to Eevee's lynch), I actually thought from an outside observer that Robz/Frisk did this town a HUGE disservice, and made it REALLY hard for them to win.
Insomniac, if anybody, I think deserved MVP.
Insomniac for MVP? Sure
Robz and I anti town. Hogwash! Robz and i called the ictory on day 1
Hogwash a thousand times over. And I have no beef with the game Insomniac played--though I disagree with him about claiming--but if anyone but Frisk got the MVP here I would riot.
You honestly don't see why yours and CF's play was terrible for the town, and the only reason that you won being Insomniac making an incredibly difficult, but ultimately correct decision?
No... I don't think so, no. Ouch.
I think the Masons claiming was absolutely the right thing to do, and I think Frisk and I pushing for it made us obvtown, and despite the Eevee mistake (which I myself didn't even push) we won like pretty easily. How can you say our play was terrible? We won, like, pretty easily. The ICs were barely even conflicted there.
Galzria, having good reads is only one part of the game. It's a part of the gamr that you are good at (better than me). But convincing people that there is no way you are scum--which is what Frisk and I did here--is also a very, very, very important aspect of the game.
Robz, convincing people you are not scum is only one part of the game. It's a part of this game that you spent too much time at. But contributing ideas, observations, POE's etc --which is what we needed you to do here, and what we asked repeatedly for you to do here -- is also a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, important aspect of the game.
For what it's worth, the number of "verys" in that las sentence is less than or approximately equal to the number of "reminders" you spammed us with during this game.
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In this setup, convincing people you are town is more important than hunting for scum. If 2 people are confirmed as town who aren't masons, game over!
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It's NOT the claiming, which although I disagree with, I can understand your position on. It's that, as a VT, you CANNOT afford to declare someone as "absolutely town", and vice-versa. Even if you personally feel that way, you cannot afford to stand so staunchly in this setup. The reason is because if the Eevee's of the world get lynched and flip town (and we all know they will), then the town is left with a bitch of a decision. Insomniac got it right here, and major credit to him for it - but while you and Frisk were not likely to be scum/town, you COULD be scum/scum as easily as town/town. And after one town mislynch, you CANNOT afford another.
Now, if you're an IC, you need to decide: If Robz/CF are town, the game is solved. How often is that true? If Robz/CF are SCUM though, then what? Even if you lynch scum D2 (which trust me, Scum!Robz and Scum!CF would make sure happened) then the two lynches left would both fall on town.
You forced the IC's to gamble the whole game D1. After mislynching Eevee, they had no choice but to follow through. If you were scum this game, you would've won just as easily. Proclaiming absolute town reads as a VT is very, very bad. The correct play for the IC's is to lynch one, and if wrong treat the other as an IC - which I get, you were trying to do regarding CF if they lynched you. But at least then thtown doesn't have to throw the entire game on the line D1, and has 3 scum in 4 players remaining.
This is precisely it. A Frisk/Robz led scum team would cook this up right out of the gate. They are certainly capable of it, and for it to work it would have had to be a balls-to-the-wall, all-in, never-let-this-bone-go, beat-it-to-death, then-force-it-upon-them-anyway approach, which is exactly what you guys did.
I spent a major part of D1 worried about precisely this, which drew my focus away from Grujah. Robz, you say, hey what was wrong with the play, we WON. That was the result, yes, but I don't think you get much of the credit.
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SFS, you realize that RobZ and I didn't have daychat right? We couldn't exactly undo it. if i backed off, it would have been bad, because it was (or should have been) clear that Robz and I were not masons. At that point scum has the advantage (they know that masons are 2 out of 3) and the VTs are still clueless.
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it's been one long-ass tunnel though.
Might want to consider more posting.
lol. i spent literally all my online time in this thread and faked going to bathroom or texting people to get some more of it. and i was only around for 1 day and still posted more than the average, probably. don't understand where this is coming from!
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it's been one long-ass tunnel though.
Might want to consider more posting.
lol. i spent literally all my online time in this thread and faked going to bathroom or texting people to get some more of it. and i was only around for 1 day and still posted more than the average, probably. don't understand where this is coming from!
I promise, I really thought you were fibbing... like your scum buddies had just said: hey go vote for this guy
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it's been one long-ass tunnel though.
Might want to consider more posting.
lol. i spent literally all my online time in this thread and faked going to bathroom or texting people to get some more of it. and i was only around for 1 day and still posted more than the average, probably. don't understand where this is coming from!
I promise, I really thought you were fibbing... like your scum buddies had just said: hey go vote for this guy
Nah, I caught up with the reading and voted for my top scum read. I don't know what the thing with your people online page was, I was obviously 100% honest about everything.
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I'm sorry, and I'm glad it worked out in the end. At least you didn't have to wait long to be avenged.
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SFS, you realize that RobZ and I didn't have daychat right? We couldn't exactly undo it. if i backed off, it would have been bad, because it was (or should have been) clear that Robz and I were not masons. At that point scum has the advantage (they know that masons are 2 out of 3) and the VTs are still clueless.
Of course I realize you don't have daychat, if you're town. I was worried that you were mafia!
I am open to the notion that it should have been obvious that you two were not masons. Hey even I knew you weren't a mason. I am open to the notion that you could not have backed off, without looking scummy. Hence, it could have been a bold scum gambit. So bold it would be ridiculous to try it, which is what would make it work. Now from my perspective as an IC, once you guys (as mafia) sold that idea, how would you play the game? Well, you'd never back off (which you never did - we were still discussing claiming well after the actual claims and just about up to the D1 deadline) and you'd make sure that no chinks developed in the armor. What would that look like? Well, one of you could keep screaming "if you lynch me, don't lynch the other one". That's way too obvious to be mafia, right? I coupled that with some meta about another player, and went Damn, this is a HUGE possibility. It was very distracting, at best, and at worst it seemed anti-town. The fact that it turned out ok, or that the math justified it, is, to me at least, irrelevant.
By the way, for ZM8, I'm not removing the masons. I'm hoping to have at least one or two newbies, and between the mafia QT and the mason QT, they would have a good chance of having some in-game guidance. Roles will still be assigned randomly, of course, but 2 daychats is twice as many as 1.
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AND TO ANYONE THAT WANTS IN ON ZM8, READ THE OP.
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AND TO ANYONE THAT WANTS IN ON ZM8, READ THE OP.
You're in the wrong thread! I have innned, but I'm ouuuuttt if it doesn't launch TODAY
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Dsell, you picked me out as obvscum in the speccy QT. I'd really appreciate if you'd tell me how you came to that conclusion?
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A few thoughts on this game.
I have no reason to think either Robz or Frisk would have said anything different at the start of the game if they were scum. Yes, they "solved" the game early in day one, and yes they won, but I think the IC status they gave each other was poor play.
I also have no reason to think I would have responded to the Robz/Frisk thing any differently if I was Town. Even knowing they were both Town, I still found it very strange. Yes Robz called me obvscum, and yes he was right (about the scum part), but I would have had the same reaction if I was Town.
So yeah, I think Robz and Frisk just happened to be lucky that the roles happened to have landed the way that they were boldly claiming.
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I'm sure we did get lucky... but the most important thing you can do is convince the ICs that you are town. Good on Frisk for doing that, good on the ICs for getting it right, and we won. So I don't really think Frisk or I have anything to like apologize for here...
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Never said you did. I just think you assumed a lot, and you were lucky enough that it happened to be true.
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AND TO ANYONE THAT WANTS IN ON ZM8, READ THE OP.
It wasn't my attention to piss you off so greatly, sorry ;D
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so much*
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AND TO ANYONE THAT WANTS IN ON ZM8, READ THE OP.
It wasn't my attention to piss you off so greatly, sorry ;D
Grujah, this wasn't aimed at anybody, especially you. It was for all.