It doesn't make sense to me to posit something within the first hours of the game and then demonize anyone who thinks it might be a bad idea.
Wait, are you talking about me?
No, I am willing to discuss the merits of your idea. faust is the one throwing votes on the guy who wants to discuss the merits of your idea. You seem complicit with this approach though...
faust jumped right at it, more or less duplicated exactly what I was saying but painted what I was saying as being scummy. WTH?
I don't like how Jimmmmm setup this crappy idea and then when I questioned it faust voted me for it and then made even crappier arguments against me more or less proving it was a crappy idea to begin with and then he just ignored defending his position.
I'm not making any sense but mysteriously everyone who was arguing against me eventually agreed mass claims this early are not a good idea. So, apparently I'm not communicating very well what have been found to be quite sensible ideas.
I engaged the claim theory talk early and gained the most votes of anyone in the game for decrying the theory that has since been universally abandoned and supporting the theory that has been universally accepted.
I engaged the claim theory talk early and gained the most votes of anyone in the game for decrying the theory that has since been universally abandoned and supporting the theory that has been universally accepted.
I think this is misleading, and it comes across as a grab for Towncred. I didn't vote for you, but I definitely could have, and it certainly would not have been for rejecting or supporting theories. I highly doubt that is why anyone has voted for you.
The fact that you didn't vote for me doesn't negate the fact that I picked up the most votes on a single point that has become the accepted game state. That's the point I made, why you are conflating that with the fact that you're not one of the voters is beyond me.
I don't know why you doubt the reason so highly since the only explanation offered was that I wasn't making any sense despite the result that everyone has capitulated and decided that early mass-claims are not re way to go. If it was soooo nonsensical then why is everyone doing it?
Right, I should just follow along and do whatever you or someone else tells me to or else I am anti-town. That's the pattern I'm seeing.
I'm not saying 3 votes is some heavy weight but I am pointing out that I'm the only person who hasn't bent to the pressure put on him which is why is the sole reason I am the person with the most votes regardless of the count.
I only suspect one of the standing votes on me to be scum. It's not the vote but the more subtle suggestions that I must be scum that give it away.
Also, TA immediately echoed me. Why do I get the vote and you ignore him doing the same?
ashersky once said in a scum QT something along the lines of "You don't get lynched scummy. You get lynched if you let Town lynch you." I'm not saying pps is directly following that advice, but that's the impression I get from the above posts. I get the feeling that pps is trying to make the idea that he could be scum so ludicrous that people will be afraid to vote for him.
Part of this is the whole conspiracy theory thing:
If a person is the scum target for the day and they point that out are they painting themselves as a victim or calling attention to how perception is being controlled? Let's run some votes up on you just because I say so and see if you think you're a victim or there's some shenanigans that need to be called out.
That last sentence suggests the low level of activity might be because a small subset of the players decries anyone who dares post while we wait out the clock on D1. I get to have my suspicions and you can call them useless and you can perceive it to be an accusation. My observation of that is scumhunting.
There is the premise operating here that scum will select a couple of targets to maybe work their meta for a D1 mislynch. The Jimmmmm/faust interaction on the mass-claim that got my first vote felt like the bad cop setup and then TA came in and played good cop saying massclaims are indeed bad but faust is town anyway.
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Disclaimer: Yes, it's all conspiracy theory and comes from what can easily be construed as a victim mentality. However, I think the lens itself isn't completely insane, I feel there is a tangible thread in there. I'm not claiming any scum teams nor am I claiming certainty of TA's alignment.
Now admittedly pps has admitted that what he's talking about is a conspiracy theory, which I left in for full disclosure. But I have become extremely suspicious of people who assume and try to get others to assume that scum will act in a particular way. Assuming something about scum is bad Town play, and successfully convincing Townies to wrongfully assume something is good play. So when pps seems to assume that scum are working together (or at the very least one scum is working) to lynch him, I am not quick to believe him. Early on in the game, in my experience, scum do not generally try to push for a particular lynch or have a particular target in mind for a mislynch. This early in the game, scum are much more concerned with not getting lynched themselves. So when, this early in the game, someone talks about how much scum must be pulling strings and manipulating everyone, they're either right, jumping at shadows, or trying to get others to jump at shadows. And I think the latter two are much more likely than the former.
If TA is not scum then I think there would be a very good chance PPS is...
Can you elaborate on that? Without any substantiation it comes off as an attempt to line up two mislynches.
So if TA were to flip scum would you assume or just lean towards me being town?
No, I did not say if and only if. I just said if TA is town, you are more likely scum.
Well, I guess what I am asking is whether or not you perceive the inverse to be true.
This looks like pps trying to gauge how he is perceived, which is much more important to scum than to Town.
Well, I just found out the game was reopened and run into this thing with yuma and Robz. I'd have to homework it against yesterday to really conclude anything but my initial thought is these annoyingly protracted things are usually Town scuffles, no? As it is I have to get some sleep so I'll firm up a read on it tomorrow.
Well, I read up on the Robz/yuma tiff and I got no string lean either way. If I got mod confirmation that one of them was scum and the other not and I had to pick which was scum I'd still say Robz.
Now despite what I said about conspiracy theories, I kind of have one of my own. After I got a positive result on ash in Chocolate Factory and was grilling him about it, his scumbuddy Teproc dismissed it as probably Town v Town. That stood out to me at the time, and I think was what made me finally decide to investigate Teproc the following Night. And I was right, even if my investigation was unhelpful. My point is, when there is a fight between Town and scum, the scum's teammates tend to want to stay out of it. They don't want to support the Townie in lynching their scumbuddy, but they also don't want to support the scum and be seen to be in league with them. So while this is not a huge point and I'm probably making more of a point of it than needs to be made, I think it's something to be conscious of. It also seems unlikely that scum pps would say this if it actually was two Townies, but you never know. Also, I find the "If I got mod confirmation that one of them was scum" a really strange thing to say, as there is no way to get mod confirmation that one of two people is scum. I don't know, seems a strange things to say "mod confirmation" in particular.
What's also strange is the next day he says this:
I sense the Robz/yuma interaction to possibly be an attempt to increase post count while staying focused on a conundrum instead of actual deduction and hunting. In other words an effort to negate the legitimate complaint of lurking yesterday. Thus, I still prefer a Robz lynch as the yuma interaction has served to somewhat strengthen my convictions from yesterday.
Interestingly, this came at a time in which attention was shifting slightly away from the Robz/yuma thing and towards scott and AHoppy for lurking etc.
Jimmmmm looked happy to lunch either you or teproc, he technically jumped right after the hammer. If AHoppy is town then this can be construed as jubilant scum. Does scum want the hammer? Maybe so on that particular D1. Robz was looking for the hammer before the regrouping towards Teproc. chairs was a latecomer to the AHoppy wagon and his entire playstyle has been lurky durky to me. I waffled between AHoppy and Robz kind of sheeping into AHoppy because I wanted us to get in a D1 lynch and he was definitely my favorite over Teproc. I think I was earlier to the wagon than the others except maybe Jimmmmm. A lot of the origination to the wagon ended up on Teproc.
So, I would say that if scum was all piled onto town!AHoppy, which explains why it never fully lynched, that everyone on there including myself appears to be a candidate.
However, knowing my alignment to be Town, that means that either the entire scum team was sitting on AHoppy and Town was entirely devoted to mislynching Teproc or scum contributed to Teproc's demise which places AHoppy himself as a decent candidate for being scum.
This is the post that gave me the bad feeling about pps in the first place. It's just too "How must scum be working together?". Do scum want the hammer? Did they all vote together? Were all the scum on the AHoppy wagon, or did scum help lynch Teproc? I just think that trying to find scum by assuming that scum must have done a particular thing is bad Town play at best, and quite often from scum trying to cause Town to follow their assumptions.
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