I don't really buy the 'Dede's posts are forced' thing. Does scum really open by making a thorough reread and posting detailed opinions about everyone, ensuring a lot of meaningful discussion to come in the crucial time window where we have to decide whom to shoot?
Eh, maybe they do. I mean, it's basically how I tried to played fish mafia. But I still think giving scum points for it without meta arguments is a big stretch. In fact it makes me want to vigv0te: IG (I like that everyone just started using my made up format)
I don't follow why everyone thinks it's so townie. It sounds like people are just applying "lots of text => content => townie". Almost everything saying sounds to me like neutral and nonstatements. "This happened, then this happend, which could be this. But on the other hand that. Let's say {town, scum, null} for now". Yes, he has null reads, but why do you need to say all that much stuff to say there are null reads? Most feel completely arbitrary:
Lekkit:
Quote from: Lekkit on June 09, 2015, 04:11:49 pm
My role is somewhat connected to my flavor.
Another mini-claim which is suspicious, and he was against the vig shot because we don't have a long time period... but I think the information still outweighs the risk. I'm thinking slightly scum here.
I don't understand how DeDe is is drawing anything from this; it seems entirely alignment agnostic. It sounds like "hm, I need a scum read, let's toss it in this slot".
2.71828: I don't have much of a read yet here. From the few posts he has, he seems to lean town. He is against claiming in fear of it hurting us and gave a very similar read to mine on ADK. I think he's right that ADK wouldn't say that if he was town. Then again, he could be scum just trying to defend players and seem towny. That's a stretch though. For now I feel town.
Why does defending players lead to towniness? I think you could just as easily conclude "scum" here.
Hydrad:
Quote from: Hydrad on June 10, 2015, 12:47:55 am
Hmm dayvigging could be interesting. I guess I'm ok with it as long as its not me thats shot!
This is odd, but it doesn't strike me as something scum would say.
Quote from: Hydrad on June 10, 2015, 01:07:43 am
right but usually day 1 scum can manipulate town much easier then other days i feel. So i think if we use it day 1 there is a higher chance our extra lynch hits town.
He he seems against the vig shot.
Quote from: Hydrad on June 10, 2015, 07:17:54 am
so I'm in favor of it now.
Then he seems to flip again.
That being said, I feel like he is just trying to hypothesis test the idea of the vig shot in a vacuum, which is why he switches and is also, in my experience, a very townie thing to do. He's not afraid to voice unpopular opinions just to test the waters. I also think that it's true that the information from the vig kill would better allow us to have a more meaningful D1 lynch, so overall I get a strong town vibe here.
I mainly don't understand the "This is odd, but it doesn't strike me as something scum would say." It sounds like something anyone would say, town or scum. I also don't see "He's not afraid to voice unpopular opinions just to test the waters." Also "I also think that it's true that the information from the vig kill would better allow us to have a more meaningful D1 lynch," is obvious and a statement that has nothing to do with this game or the player's alignments---it's a setup/theory discussion---so why does it make him townie?
Okay I don't want to keep going and make this huge.. Chairs has two big paragraphs that seems to not say anything... he thinks EgorK soft claiming a PR is suspcious, because...? This is RMM, the chance EgorK has a role as town or scum is pretty high. He says ADK is town, which I agree, but that's kind of an empty statement. Plus it's a "town but hey we should be suspicious and make sure we all act very towny in regards to his ability" kind of statement. I don't really buy his argument for wanting to lynch Mail-Mi. What's the scum narrative for wanting to save the shot, exactly? Because he's really afraid he'll be the one to get shot and plans to kill him tonight, when he's probably sure there are some kinds of protective roles? Doesn't seem to fit.
However:
hockeysemlan: I'm still getting my strongest scum vibe here. He is barely active (although he has an excuse) but when he does appear, his post simply hops on a wagon against mail-mi and votes for him, but then quickly pulls it off and claims it's to RVS for the votes or information to be meaningful. I feel like this is one of the more scummy things to do, trying to play all sides, while still being in the background. I haven't played with him at all, so I could be wrong and this could just be him, but I'm worried. For now, I want to here more of his thoughts, so Vote: Hockey
This I actually think sounds more townie.
His responses since his post haven't seemed scummy, either.