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[faust]

Well, alright, I guess we can keep him alive one more night, just to see what happens. But I honestly don't see good other targets...

[Voltaire]

Was there a reason jotheonah is going to Vig today? Just because he wants to use it/confirms his role, or was it compulsive?

[faust]

Was there a reason jotheonah is going to Vig today? Just because he wants to use it/confirms his role, or was it compulsive?

That's a good question actually. I think we can keep jotheonah alive for one more night, so no need to hurry.

I guess I'm back to vote: EFHW then.

[faust]

EFHW, if scum targets you, will this have negative utility for town as well?

[xeiron]

Scratch that actually, let's just lynch/vig Voltaire. His role is no use to us, and could easily be a lie. Add that I found him scummy before.

Vote: Voltaire

I disagree. His role is very useful, except if the mafia kills him.

We are better off not lynching him.
If he is killed during the night, it's a mislynch we do not have to make.
If he goes untouched, he will give us a useful result.

There are two possibilities:

1) We do not target Voltaire. Scum can easily kill him off if they think he's a threat.
2) We protect Voltaire. He does not get any results.

So how is his role useful?

I think we should do 1)

Then there is two possibilities.

1a) Scum does not target Voltaire
This is useful for us because Voltaire gets a cop-result.

1b) Scum targets Voltaire.
This is useful for us because a role used on Voltaire is a role that is not used on anyone else that night.
In addition if he is killed, we will get the flip of one of the scummier players remaining without having to use a lynch on him.

[EFHW]

EFHW, if scum targets you, will this have negative utility for town as well?

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yes.  I was hoping to use the role as a cop, having town avoid targeting me, and scum wouldn't mind a negative utility for town, and it would be worth it if we found a scum.  That didn't work out, though. 

[EFHW]

I think Eevee's power would have no effect on me if I commute, but it would still trigger the negative utility.

[faust]

I think Eevee's power would have no effect on me if I commute, but it would still trigger the negative utility.

And if you don't commute?

[faust]

I'm going on a cruise, starting in a couple of hours. I don't know what the wifi situation will be like there, but worst case scenario is a complete VLA for the following four days.

This is bad news. Eevee, are you still around? Can you leave a reads list and a vote before you go?

[EFHW]

Walrus, we're not claiming flavor dammit. I think they're connected to our second roles.

My (second) role is Overwhelmed CEO. I'm a cop, but I only get results if I'm not targeted at night.

And that's why I didn't want to claim. 

Voltaire who did you try to cop last night?

[Voltaire]

Walrus, we're not claiming flavor dammit. I think they're connected to our second roles.

My (second) role is Overwhelmed CEO. I'm a cop, but I only get results if I'm not targeted at night.

And that's why I didn't want to claim. 

Voltaire who did you try to cop last night?

Nobody, I had my original role last night, then was killed, then new role simultaneous with the start of today. That makes sense to me.

[Voltaire]

I had ash's role last night, is what I mean, which I didn't use.

[EFHW]

right, of course.  That does make sense.

[Archetype]

Archetype, why did you target Voltaire?

Because I wouldn't mind if any of my four powers would activate on him. If I Tracked/Followed him, I'd know if he used his negative utility power if he was Scum. If I Watched/Voyeured him, I'd see who'd kill if he was Town.

[Archetype]

I'm alright with vigging EFHW or Eevee. Same thing with lynch.

[xeiron]

I'm alright with vigging EFHW or Eevee. Same thing with lynch.

If I understand EFHW correctly, the negative utility will happend if we vig her, but not if we lynch her.

Because of this, I think we should Vig eevee, and then we can consider to lynch EFHW instead if we suspect her.

[yuma]

Vote Count 2.7

faust (2): Archetype, Walrus
Eevee (1): xeiron
EFHW (1): faust

Not Voting (4): Voltaire, jotheonah, Eevee, EFHW

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day2 is 8 days and will be February 14 at 8 pm forum time.

[Archetype]

I'm alright with vigging EFHW or Eevee. Same thing with lynch.

If I understand EFHW correctly, the negative utility will happend if we vig her, but not if we lynch her.

Because of this, I think we should Vig eevee, and then we can consider to lynch EFHW instead if we suspect her.

Fair enough. Eevee's power seems more like a Roleblocker than a Vanillizer, which is suspicious in itself.

[yuma]

Eevee, EFHW, a question: Assume Eevee targets EFHW tonight, will there still be negative effects?

Let me rephrase this as a mod question.

If a Vanillaiser targets a role that has effects triggered on targeting, will these effects take place?

Does Vanillaising take place before or after Commuting?

Unfortunately, I am not able to answer either of these questions. Feel free to PM me if you have concerns about this.

[Archetype]

Walrus: your Jailkeeping power is considered Protective.

So I think it's very likely that Scum has a Strongman or EFHW makes people Macho. I don't think Walrus is lying.

[EFHW]

my negative utility didn't take effect until start of Day 2.  It will be over after Night 2.

[EFHW]

ok, we're getting close to deadline here.  I won't be on much tomorrow, unfortunately, so I'm putting my vote on Vote: Eevee, since his power is not very useful to town.  Don't lynch me!

[EFHW]

or vig me.

[yuma]

Vote Count 2.8

faust (2): Archetype, Walrus
Eevee (2): xeiron, EFHW
EFHW (1): faust

Not Voting (3): Voltaire, jotheonah, Eevee

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day2 is 8 days and will be February 14 at 8 pm forum time. That is less than 24 hours from now. Keep in mind that your mod will be working until ~ 1 hour before the deadline. I'll be sure to get on before work, but won't have access to the forums until 7 pm at the earliest.

[faust]

Walrus: your Jailkeeping power is considered Protective.

So I think it's very likely that Scum has a Strongman or EFHW makes people Macho. I don't think Walrus is lying.

You realize that it was likely not scum who shot Voltaire, but ashersky?