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[Archetype]

Vote: ashersky

I suggest ash claim first. He was challenged, after all.

[ashersky]

My claim and Volt's claim have nothing in common, other than both happening to be vehemently anti-town, that I don't think claim order matters.

[Archetype]

My claim and Volt's claim have nothing in common, other than both happening to be vehemently anti-town, that I don't think claim order matters.

Then go ahead and claim.   

[ashersky]

I'm a secondary character from the show, name is Lucille Austero.  My role is a yuma-modified re-director.  I can target a player at night and redirect actions taken by that player.  Two restrictions to this role added by yuma:

1)  I cannot redirect kills.
2)  I can only redirect actions to me, or back at the targeter.

For reason #1 above, I decided to claim and not use my power.  Had I been able to redirect kills, I could basically work as a DoctorVig, reflecting scum kills back at the killer.  Or, I could have been a Bodyguard, taking the kill for someone.  Neither was an option.

For reason #2 above, I decided to claim and not use my power.  Imagine I redirect a cop's investigation from scum to me.  Cop gets "town" result and scum is cleared.  I'm like a Godfatherer on accident.  Imagine I take a doctor's protection away from the night kill.  I just roleblocked the doctor.  Imagine I messed with tracker/watcher/etc. results.  So much negative utility.

I couldn't come up with a good result from any redirection I could cause, so I decided not to redirect at all.

If it matters, yuma called his modifications vertigo, making me a Vertigo Re-director.

[Archetype]

That's really funny flavor wise. Considering ash supposedly hasn't seen the show, I don't think he's lying about being a "Vertigo Redirector", but could be Town or Scum. Unvote.

[jotheonah]

I'm eager to hear Voltaire's full claim and his explanation for using his power so brashly. I'm coming around to ash's side on this.

[Eevee]

Voltaire is way too smart to play this role like this. I mean, if he was a scum forced claim gladiator, you'd think he'd give the fake claim some thought?

My read is this is town on town, but I definitely did Voltaire did us a huge disservice if he is town. So so many better ways to play the role, but I guess I'm alone in thinking Ash was the nut worst choice..

Ash's role claim looks a bit weird, but ok. I think I'll be wanting to lynch Voltaire anyways, waiting for his claim.

[ashersky]

If its svs, it's brilliant. But I think more likely it is tvs with Volt being Town.


If ash does flip Town, it doesn't really make Voltaire too much scummier from my perspective. Because at worst, he eliminated a negative utility.

Um, no.  At worst, he's scum.

Does no one get this?  AT WORST, VOLTAIRE IS SCUM.

Actually, at worst you would also have to eat a bunch of cockroach alphabet snacks.

Also, nice.

Is eating cockroach alphabits worse than killing a member of town?  I'd say if the Fear Factor contestants can do it for a chance at cash, we can do it to save our fellow townies!

[Voltaire]

vote: ashersky

I'm eager to hear Voltaire's full claim and his explanation for using his power so brashly. I'm coming around to ash's side on this.

I am also a secondary character - Barry Zuckercorn, Attorney Gladiator. I'm not a very good lawyer. I have to challenge someone D1 (I AM COMPULSIVE, people who are saying this was anti-town! That's the point), and we're the only ones who can be lynched. The twist is that the winner gets the loser's role. If I win, I'll have ash's role and no longer be a gladiator. If he wins, he'll become a Gladiator. So there's your twist.

This is why I said it matters if I think ash is town, in that if we're both town we'd want to pick which role we want to still have in the game. But there's no way in hell at this point we shouldn't lynch ash.

I agree his role and flavor claims match so that's definitely his real role, and makes complete sense to claim as scum, be a VT, all that jazz.

Ash, your problems appear to be with the fact that I am a Gladiator and not with my play. This makes me more confident I got this right.

Biggest town read right now is jotheonah.

[Voltaire]

My read is this is town on town, but I definitely did Voltaire did us a huge disservice if he is town. So so many better ways to play the role, but I guess I'm alone in thinking Ash was the nut worst choice..

It was compulsive!!!

[Eevee]

My read is this is town on town, but I definitely did Voltaire did us a huge disservice if he is town. So so many better ways to play the role, but I guess I'm alone in thinking Ash was the nut worst choice..

It was compulsive!!!

So many things you could have done differently, just surprising us like this wasn't the only option.


Vote: Voltaire

Again, I think both are town more often than not.

[ashersky]

I agree his role and flavor claims match so that's definitely his real role, and makes complete sense to claim as scum, be a VT, all that jazz.

Are you saying that my role is my real scum role?  Because that makes zero sense.  Unless you are saying I'm like a bus driver who changed it up to fake claim it in a towny way?

The twist is that the winner gets the loser's role. If I win, I'll have ash's role and no longer be a gladiator. If he wins, he'll become a Gladiator. So there's your twist.

So, if I am scum, as you say, you become scum?  Or you get a scum role, like Godfather or Bus Driver or Roleblocker?

Also, this is a great "twist" for scum to add on to make it more likely they survive this gladiator battle.

Ash, your problems appear to be with the fact that I am a Gladiator and not with my play. This makes me more confident I got this right.

Nice lie, dude.  I've complained about your play since BEFORE you claimed.  Your whole "I have reasons but won't share them" crap.  Which, by the way, you STILL have not shared with the class.

You are clearly a gladiator, as the mod confirmed it.  I think you are a scum gladiator.

[Voltaire]

It wasn't the only option, but it's certainly the best option that's been presented here!

[Voltaire]

I agree his role and flavor claims match so that's definitely his real role, and makes complete sense to claim as scum, be a VT, all that jazz.

Are you saying that my role is my real scum role?  Because that makes zero sense.  Unless you are saying I'm like a bus driver who changed it up to fake claim it in a towny way?

The twist is that the winner gets the loser's role. If I win, I'll have ash's role and no longer be a gladiator. If he wins, he'll become a Gladiator. So there's your twist.

So, if I am scum, as you say, you become scum?  Or you get a scum role, like Godfather or Bus Driver or Roleblocker?

Also, this is a great "twist" for scum to add on to make it more likely they survive this gladiator battle.

Ash, your problems appear to be with the fact that I am a Gladiator and not with my play. This makes me more confident I got this right.

Nice lie, dude.  I've complained about your play since BEFORE you claimed.  Your whole "I have reasons but won't share them" crap.  Which, by the way, you STILL have not shared with the class.

You are clearly a gladiator, as the mod confirmed it.  I think you are a scum gladiator.

No, role, not alignment.

I'm saying your flavor is a character with Vertigo who stumbles around everywhere and gets confused. So redirector/busdriver/whatever makes complete sense. And I think you're scum, and your role fits scum.

I'm not stating my reads-based reason because it would violate the policy regarding ongoing games. No dice.

I made it very clear there was a twist to my role from the beginning. "Nice try" as you would say.

[ashersky]

Again, I think both are town more often than not.

Sadly, it is possible that Voltaire is just incorrect town.  He let his asherbias get in the way of his brain.

You said it early -- scum!Voltaire probably doesn't derp his Gladiator role like this today.  But then again, if he's scum, he's lying about some part of his role.

All that is confirmed is that Voltaire is a gladiator who challenged me on Day 1.  What is NOT confirmed is:

--the compulsory or not nature of the role
--the "magic twist" of role/alignment switches (which would be bastard)

Does anyone know if a role stealing gladiator makes sense for Barry Zuckercorn?

[ashersky]

Also, more confirmed things about Voltaire:

--he unilaterally decided who town had to kill today
--he gave no warning when he decided who town has to kill today
--he is in no way confirmed town or an innocent child

[Voltaire]

Also, more confirmed things about Voltaire:

--he unilaterally decided who town had to kill today

Do. You. Not. Know. What. Compulsive. Means.

Look, I get you can't read my PM. You have to take my word on it. If you're town, you have to get that.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.4

Voltaire (2): ashersky, Eevee
ashersky (1): Voltaire

Not Voting (6): Walrus, xeiron, jotheonah, EFHW, faust, Arch

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

The deadline for Day1 is 8 days. Day1 will end on Tuesday February 4 at 7:30 pm forum time.

[Voltaire]

I have to head out for the night. I'll be back tomorrow morning.

[ashersky]

Also, more confirmed things about Voltaire:

--he unilaterally decided who town had to kill today

Do. You. Not. Know. What. Compulsive. Means.

Look, I get you can't read my PM. You have to take my word on it. If you're town, you have to get that.

I know what compulsive means.  I'm complaining that you didn't do what I did.  You could have done this:

"Hey guys, I have a town that has severe anti-town implications.  Problem is, it's compulsive, so we need to figure out how to minimize the damage.  Here's the thing..."

And claimed, and talked it out, and whatever.  Could very well have been that we all decided you should gladiate me anyway. 

I do get your point that claiming and talking allows scum to manipulate more.  But in the end, the decision would have been yours, and you could have said "well, I think ash is scum, so I'm throwing out his opinion, but listening to others."

So yes, if you role is compulsive, I get that you had no choice but to tell us who we would kill today.  The problem I (and others) have is that you unilaterally did it in a surprise fashion.

[jotheonah]

Vote: Voltaire

[xeiron]

Voltaire,
If you can aquire another role through winning the duel.
Why did you choose Ashersky, who had a self-proclaimed useless role?
Would it not be better to target someone with a good role?

[EFHW]

vote ashersky.  I believe Voltaire more, and I don't find ashersky's arguments very convincing.

PPE: unvote

Dang, xeiron, just when I had made up my mind!

[pingpongsam]

Jumping up and down!

[Archetype]

Now I'm thinking its TvT, which really sucks. I had the same exact feeling as EFHW, until I read xeiron's post. Which makes me lean back to SvT, but this time with Voltaire as scum.

Not ready for voting at this point, but if Voltaire can give an adequate explanation for why he hose ash if he knew the prospects of his role, I'll end up voting for ash.