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[Voltaire]

Isn't doing something weird, arguably antitown to kickstart day 1 a quintessential town ash move?

Honestly? I have given up reading ash through traditional means.

[Eevee]

A fair warning, I haven't read Time War at all.

Isn't doing something weird, arguably antitown to kickstart day 1 a quintessential town ash move?

Honestly? I have given up reading ash through traditional means.

I mean, just because he plays creative doesn't mean you should stop trying. There is definitely a method to his madness. Have you played any of the recent games where ash didn't play? In my opinion almost every single time game without ash has a significantly worse day 1. I really do think his style works.

[jotheonah]

Works for whom, that's the question.

[Voltaire]

Yes, I have played ash-less D1s. It's true that they feel "worse" at the time. But also REDACTED. Having ash around D1 isn't worse, it isn't better, it's just different.

[Voltaire]

I didn't realize I'd be putting him at L-1 (small games FTW) but I also don't regret it. Scum's not gonna quickhammer town and out themselves, so unless he's unannounced hated it doesn't make much difference.

So, like, there's no way joth and ash are both scum. Learning!

[Eevee]

I think ashersky's claim is working just like intended - creating us real discussion topics and interactions. I'd still be VERY surprised if he was scum, what do you guys voting for him think he thought would happen?

I think he thought that he would get a nice town pass -- a lot of suspicion, but that town wouldn't have the guts to actually step up and lynch him.

I didn't realize I'd be putting him at L-1 (small games FTW) but I also don't regret it. Scum's not gonna quickhammer town and out themselves, so unless he's unannounced hated it doesn't make much difference.

Had someone else decided to sheep you without counting the votes, we'd have a lynch already.. But yea, mistakes happen, I'm glad Voltaire caught that.


I think it's extremely short-sighted level 1 paranoia thinking to want to lynch ash here.

To those who say "at least we wouldn't lynch a pr", I say "you can do better, believe in yourself a little".
To those who say "the claim only benefits scum", I present the kickstarting the day argument (it clearly worked!).
To those who say "ash is more likely to do this as scum", I say "I guess we read the situation completely different, then".

[Voltaire]

A fair warning, I haven't read Time War at all.

Then you need to read time war. It will take all of 5 minutes. Know ash is scum, and read his first few posts. Then know he wasn't the lynch.

Note that this isn't why I think ash is scum, but it's highly relevant.

[Eevee]

I didn't realize I'd be putting him at L-1 (small games FTW) but I also don't regret it. Scum's not gonna quickhammer town and out themselves, so unless he's unannounced hated it doesn't make much difference.

So, like, there's no way joth and ash are both scum. Learning!

Yeah, bolding it so everyone remembers it!

It's very unlikely Joth and ash are scum from the same team! Someone must remember this in the late game!

[jotheonah]

My philosophy on day 1s is to get them over with as quickly as possible. (without being the lynch). they are dreadful dull.

[Voltaire]

My philosophy on day 1s is to get them over with as quickly as possible. (without being the lynch). they are dreadful dull.

How much RMM have you played?

[jotheonah]

In what way is ash's claim pro-town?

[jotheonah]

My philosophy on day 1s is to get them over with as quickly as possible. (without being the lynch). they are dreadful dull.

How much RMM have you played?

I would argue that up until night 1, RMM is not much different than regular mafia.

[Eevee]

In what way is ash's claim pro-town?

Some might argue it isn't, but it got us this. The game is progressing starting immediately from post 1!

I read ash's first five posts of TWM, and I think this is completely different. That was just him claiming early, like Galzria did in MC. This claim is very different.

[Voltaire]

This claim is very different.

In what way?

[Eevee]

This claim is very different.

In what way?

It wasn't so extreme, Galzria decided to do the same in MC (as town) and he is generally known as a reasonable, "normal" player. Was ashersky really an enabler, btw?

[Voltaire]

It wasn't so extreme, Galzria decided to do the same in MC (as town) and he is generally known as a reasonable, "normal" player. Was ashersky really an enabler, btw?

Yes, he was. He had another 1-shot power he never used (which he would truthfully claim on a later day).

[Eevee]

It wasn't so extreme, Galzria decided to do the same in MC (as town) and he is generally known as a reasonable, "normal" player. Was ashersky really an enabler, btw?

Yes, he was. He had another 1-shot power he never used (which he would truthfully claim on a later day).

Thought so. I think in that situation ash would have claimed enabler even if he was town, so he was actually only lying about his alignment.

[jotheonah]

is it weird that Eevee is defending Ash's claim and Ash is nowhere to be seen?

[Voltaire]

is it weird that Eevee is defending Ash's claim and Ash is nowhere to be seen?

No, in that ash is on Australian time and almost certainly asleep right now.

[EFHW]

vote: archetype

better than ashersky. this is a wagon scum might want to get on early.

This logic only works if you know Archetype is town.

I assume you meant ashersky? Him being town is the strongest read I have.

No, I meant Archetype.  Scum only want to get on that wagon early if Archetype is town.  It sounds like you know he is town and the possibility of his being scum didn't really occur to you.

I don't follow! I'm very much considering the possibility archetype might be scum, I'm even voting for him?

Oh, "this" was referring to the inevitable ashersky-wagon, not the possible archetype-wagon.

I did think you were referring to the Archetype wagon.  How did your reasoning go for getting off the ashersky wagon?  Were you thinking it was too tempting for scum? 

Also, how did you come to change your mind from voting ashersky to supporting him?

[EFHW]

Not sure what to make of this at all. My gut reaction is to not believe ashersky, but I'm not all about gut reactions. Nonetheless, my conclusion about early ash semi-claims is not to act on them one way or another. No town cred, etc. Whatever scum!ash might have hoped to gain from the claim, we should be careful not to offer. If ash does anything to earn town cred down the line, maybe we give some more weight to the claim.

Not a fan of the day 1 mass claim, as per usual.

This echoes my own thoughts on the matter. 

Also, ashersky's claim is total WIFOM and discussing it will get us nowhere b/c we simply don't know. 

Do we have anyone else looking like a possible lynch candidate?  It's always good to have more than one wagon going, I think.

[Voltaire]

Do we have anyone else looking like a possible lynch candidate?  It's always good to have more than one wagon going, I think.

No.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Hi everyone! Looks like we're off to a lively start...I had a rather crazy evening yesterday with little time for frivolity. Let me catch up now:

Well, the immediately most noticeable thing is ash's claim. I have to say it gives me a bad feeling, because, as others have said, it's strongly reminiscent of his play in Time War. And honestly, in Time War he had me fooled pretty much all the way up until the end, so my automated Scumhunting Guidance System (SGS) is telling me to find it scummy now. I guess the question is, would ash be audacious enough to do it twice in a row? Possible. I think that many questions in the form of "would ash be audacious enough to do X?" can be answered with yes. I do have to look at his wagon later though, because it seems like it accelerated a little too easily for my taste.

I think it's a bit premature for a fullclaim...don't worry, I'm sure people will start spontaneously claiming any minute now lol.

Eevee seems peppier than normal? Was it him that had the reverse V/LA announcement? In any case it gives me a towny feeling, especially because in GoT he lurked to the win as scum.

Meanwhile Volt is a little more laconic than I expected...I know he'll say "I'm not a superman! Don't expect miracles!" But still it's what I've come to expect haha. I'm not sure I like the opaque way in which he reacted to ash's claim. And you may know my feeling about soft deadlines by now (not worth talking about and rarely effective). Scummish feeling here.

joth's unannounced L-1 vote seems scummy prima facie, but I actually think it reads relatively towny to me--especially at this point in the game it's more likely that town is going to be cavalier with their vote like that, while I'm sure scum is watching the count like a hawk. Seems genuine enough so far.

Mostly null on the rest due to an as-of-yet paucity of posting. Slight town on xeiron (seems like he's always got something smart to say), slighter town on EFHW (normal, cordial self by the look of it), slight scum on faust (not quite as talky as I would have expected out of the gate). True null on Archetype, I can't read that guy worth a damn. But we'll see once they've given me something a little meatier to work with.

(insert topical Arrested Development quote here--I need to rewatch it so I have some zingers readily at my disposal lol)

[Voltaire]

joth's unannounced L-1 vote seems scummy prima facie, but I actually think it reads relatively towny to me--especially at this point in the game it's more likely that town is going to be cavalier with their vote like that, while I'm sure scum is watching the count like a hawk. Seems genuine enough so far.

First, laconic? That's a new one. Second, though I obviously disagree with you about myself, I agree about joth's towniness for the same reasons you state.

But we'll see once they've given me something a little meatier to work with.

(insert topical Arrested Development quote here--I need to rewatch it so I have some zingers readily at my disposal lol)

You can just taste those meaty leading posters parts right now.

[Eevee]

vote: archetype

better than ashersky. this is a wagon scum might want to get on early.

This logic only works if you know Archetype is town.

I assume you meant ashersky? Him being town is the strongest read I have.

No, I meant Archetype.  Scum only want to get on that wagon early if Archetype is town.  It sounds like you know he is town and the possibility of his being scum didn't really occur to you.

I don't follow! I'm very much considering the possibility archetype might be scum, I'm even voting for him?

Oh, "this" was referring to the inevitable ashersky-wagon, not the possible archetype-wagon.

I did think you were referring to the Archetype wagon.  How did your reasoning go for getting off the ashersky wagon?  Were you thinking it was too tempting for scum? 

Also, how did you come to change your mind from voting ashersky to supporting him?

I was never on the ashersky-wagon.

In fact my second post of the game was telling how I got a town read on him.