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[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm getting deja vu from Super Mario Bros. Isn't chairs getting lynched for "overcompensating" in a jokey way the exact same way the day one lynch went down?

[Witherweaver]

Today in bizarro news, Ash admits his weak early day 1 case is actually weak.  Coming up after the break, pigs fly.

Okay he said "small" not weak, but still a far cry from "scum found QED."

[chairs]

Today in bizarro news, Ash admits his weak early day 1 case is actually weak.  Coming up after the break, pigs fly.

Okay he said "small" not weak, but still a far cry from "scum found QED."

 

[chairs]

I'm getting deja vu from Super Mario Bros. Isn't chairs getting lynched for "overcompensating" in a jokey way the exact same way the day one lynch went down?

Do you mean the results of this?

[chairs]

Apparently I can't link worth crap.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9999.msg342471#msg342471

[azadin]

Here are the two posts from chairs that made me suspicious:


#1:

(This is a game. We are supposed to be having fun.  I am taking Mafia less serious-face-modo-mojo-jojo so anticipate that I will, occasionally, crack a joke.)

Also to take a page from Robz's book, vote: ww for using smiley.

#2:

I'm not sure I follow.

I think azadin's "I'm going to lurk" was, in fact, scummy.

Also I think I follow now, just realized I'd voted WW for smiley face.  Obviously that wasn't terribly serious 

That said, I'll say azadin has clearly decided to take my suggestion not to lurk to heart, and so I'll go back to vote: A Drowned Kernel because I still think the "let's blitz lynch" statement was scummy, even though he's kind of backed off of that a little.

I explained #2 earlier, but it was #1 I think, that started it for me.  That "less serious-face-modo-mojo-jojo" joke feels forced, and he even says he'll crack jokes right after he cracks a joke, which is an "overcompensation" or overexplanation of himself.

Imagine someone doing the following:

---I'm going to do something scummy for a reasons guys
---does something scummy
---Hey guys I just did something scummy, but there was a reason

That's what I mean by "overcompensating" for something.  It's like he really feels like he needs to make sure EVERYONE is aware that he's a jokey guy because, see, jokes!  Then in #2, he following with a smiley face joke, and overexplains himself about azadin.

So that's my small chairs case.

Post 1: So in a nutshell, are you saying that he's scummy precisely because he prefaced a joke by saying he would likely be telling jokes? I suppose I'm not seeing why overcompensation (at least in this particular matter) is indicative of scum behavior. So for me, this post was null.

However, your point on post #2 has convinced me that chairs is acting strange. He jumps back and forth about understanding someone else's reasoning, tries to make a joke, and confuses everything by going back to a vote he had already made on someone he admits seems less scummy than he did when he originally voted for him.

Vote: chairs

[AndrewisFTTW]

Vote Count 1.6:

A Drowned Kernel (3) : scott_pilgrim, EgorK, chairs
mcmcsalot (1) : yuma
azadin (1) : Robz888
EgorK (1) : sudgy
chairs (3) : ashersky, mcmcsalot, azadin
scott_pilgrim (2): faust, Witherweaver

Not Voting (1) : A Drowned Kernel

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 07:00 p.m. on July 7, 2014.

[ashersky]

Yikes I'm already falling behind here. Uh sure vote: chairs

You missed this one.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Sorry!

Vote Count 1.6 (ferreal this time!):

A Drowned Kernel (3) : scott_pilgrim, EgorK, chairs
mcmcsalot (1) : yuma
EgorK (1) : sudgy
chairs (4) : ashersky, mcmcsalot, Robz888, azadin
scott_pilgrim (2): faust, Witherweaver

Not Voting (1) : A Drowned Kernel

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 07:00 p.m. on July 7, 2014.

[EgorK]

Well, I think this is as good as case on D1 can be

Vote: chairs. Serious this time around. This is L-2 if I know how to count

[faust]

The chairs wagon is strange. I mean sure, there's a case and I understand people are voting for this, but I think that (for example) the case on scott is at least just as strong (read: both are weak). EgorK saying this is "as good as a case on D1 can be" is just plain wrong, and I have seen much better D1 cases.

I really like scott over chairs. What does everyone think about scott?

[EgorK]

The chairs wagon is strange. I mean sure, there's a case and I understand people are voting for this, but I think that (for example) the case on scott is at least just as strong (read: both are weak). EgorK saying this is "as good as a case on D1 can be" is just plain wrong, and I have seen much better D1 cases.

I really like scott over chairs. What does everyone think about scott?

Well, based on my (limited) experience until first scum flip everything is crapshot. Like there may be huge mistakes that are easily noticeable, but barring that it is usually down to who done something that collective wisdom labels as scummy.

[ashersky]

I feel like there is no SP case.  Is it just "he was the named quick lynch in ADK's jokey possible scum gambit"?  Because if it is, you should be voting for ADK instead.

[mcmcsalot]

I explained earlier why I thought ADK's blitz wagon was scummy, but the more I've thought about it the more I think it's null.  I think there's good enough reason to do it as town or scum, that it's hard to conclude anything from it.

I think mcmc is slightly scummy.  Faust pointed out an inconsistency he had, but also I think "wait for the IC to tell me what I'm doing is okay" is a really scummy approach, and he had said something to that effect earlier.  I understand why town would be tempted to say that, because you feel like you can trust the IC, but it makes taking that approach makes it very easy for scum to hide behind known town.



I'll probably be gone all day tomorrow (Tues) and Thursday as well but I will be here and post on Wednesday.

The case on Scott is because of this post. He backed off thinking Adk was scummy for starting a blitz wagon just around the time it was becoming an unpopular position and he goes on to call me scummy but doesn't vote. From a neutral perspective he looks a lot like he's just trying to be on the favorable side of everything and doesn't commit to anything. It's not a slam dunk but I agree with Faust I think it's pretty comparable to the case on chairs in terms of strength.

I would lynch either. Also Scott's alignment helps us a tad more.

[Witherweaver]

I explained earlier why I thought ADK's blitz wagon was scummy, but the more I've thought about it the more I think it's null.  I think there's good enough reason to do it as town or scum, that it's hard to conclude anything from it.

I think mcmc is slightly scummy.  Faust pointed out an inconsistency he had, but also I think "wait for the IC to tell me what I'm doing is okay" is a really scummy approach, and he had said something to that effect earlier.  I understand why town would be tempted to say that, because you feel like you can trust the IC, but it makes taking that approach makes it very easy for scum to hide behind known town.



I'll probably be gone all day tomorrow (Tues) and Thursday as well but I will be here and post on Wednesday.

The case on Scott is because of this post. He backed off thinking Adk was scummy for starting a blitz wagon just around the time it was becoming an unpopular position and he goes on to call me scummy but doesn't vote. From a neutral perspective he looks a lot like he's just trying to be on the favorable side of everything and doesn't commit to anything. It's not a slam dunk but I agree with Faust I think it's pretty comparable to the case on chairs in terms of strength.

I would lynch either. Also Scott's alignment helps us a tad more.

This is how I felt about Scott's post, too.  I already posted about it.

But you're voting for Chairs, McMc?

I'm suspicious of the people sheeping Ash after he posted his case, but not so much Ash himself.  So Robz, Azadin, EgorK.

[faust]

I feel like there is no SP case.  Is it just "he was the named quick lynch in ADK's jokey possible scum gambit"?  Because if it is, you should be voting for ADK instead.

The case on scott is: He was on the first big wagon on ADK. When that lost drive, he hedged on the second big wagon on mcmc.

[mcmcsalot]

Chairs serious vote followed by an unserious vote is very unsettling. Do you still think Azadin is scummy?

I posted this before ash or robz said anything about chairs. My next posts were a back and forth about the Adk blitz lynch thing and then I voted chairs. I think the vote jumping combined with the overcompensation as robz and ash put it is pretty scummy.

Also my reiteration of the Scott case was not meant as a new revelation I was just answering ash as the what the case was. I have said I would vote for either.

As for egork and Azadin, Azadin seems to just genuinely agree with the case and reads towny. Egork's post feels more forced as though he wants to vote for chairs but feels like he needs to make up a new reason. I lean scummy on him already so this strengthens that, however I can see this coming from newbie town who just didn't want to vote with no new reason.

[faust]

Chairs serious vote followed by an unserious vote is very unsettling. Do you still think Azadin is scummy?

I posted this before ash or robz said anything about chairs. My next posts were a back and forth about the Adk blitz lynch thing and then I voted chairs. I think the vote jumping combined with the overcompensation as robz and ash put it is pretty scummy.

Also my reiteration of the Scott case was not meant as a new revelation I was just answering ash as the what the case was. I have said I would vote for either.

As for egork and Azadin, Azadin seems to just genuinely agree with the case and reads towny. Egork's post feels more forced as though he wants to vote for chairs but feels like he needs to make up a new reason. I lean scummy on him already so this strengthens that, however I can see this coming from newbie town who just didn't want to vote with no new reason.

Well, I don't want to lynch EgorK for that because ongoing game reasons.

[scott_pilgrim]

Lastly anyone voting me for "waiting for the ic to tell me what to do" is bs. There is a difference between waiting for him to tell me what to do and saying I find someone scummy and would normally vote them but I don't want to put someone to L-1 this early when our ic hasn't even had time to read. That logical not scummy.

Well, I guess my problem is, I'm not sure why you would even consider putting someone at L-1 that early in the first place.  But if you are considering it, you should have a good enough reason that you don't need to wait for the IC's approval.


Also, the case on chairs is really awful and I'm surprised he has five votes.  This looks exactly like the beginning of Super Mario to me, I think that's just how chairs plays and not an alignment tell.  Null on ash for making the case, since I think it's fine for town to make weak cases, but I feel like everyone who just followed him deserves some scum points.  Azadin I'm still pretty sure is town though, and I think new players are likely to be sheepy regardless of alignment.  Robz sounds like he's just busy and doesn't care about the game, which is annoying, but I don't think indicative of alignment.  So I guess I'm leaning scummy on EgorK and mcmc, but I think literally every game I've played with mcmc I thought he was scum and he ended up being town, so I'm not sure what to make of finding him scummy.

That leaves me with vote: EgorK

[ashersky]

I explained earlier why I thought ADK's blitz wagon was scummy, but the more I've thought about it the more I think it's null.  I think there's good enough reason to do it as town or scum, that it's hard to conclude anything from it.

I think mcmc is slightly scummy.  Faust pointed out an inconsistency he had, but also I think "wait for the IC to tell me what I'm doing is okay" is a really scummy approach, and he had said something to that effect earlier.  I understand why town would be tempted to say that, because you feel like you can trust the IC, but it makes taking that approach makes it very easy for scum to hide behind known town.



I'll probably be gone all day tomorrow (Tues) and Thursday as well but I will be here and post on Wednesday.

The case on Scott is because of this post. He backed off thinking Adk was scummy for starting a blitz wagon just around the time it was becoming an unpopular position and he goes on to call me scummy but doesn't vote. From a neutral perspective he looks a lot like he's just trying to be on the favorable side of everything and doesn't commit to anything. It's not a slam dunk but I agree with Faust I think it's pretty comparable to the case on chairs in terms of strength.

I would lynch either. Also Scott's alignment helps us a tad more.

Thanks.  Basically he's been hedgy.

The devil's advocate argument would be "town changes their mind, especially if people made good points."  I'm not too sold on that ADK unvote.

The second bit, about mcmc, is on the scummy side.  That's a fair point.

I think if ADK is scum, so is sp.  So the opposite works.  ADK is the better lynch, though, since we would get more info on sp after the lynch, plus all the quick wagon reactions, etc.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Robz being absent day one is a town tell for him. ash seems more subdued than I've seen him other times, but he's pretty much always been scum when I played with him.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not too sold on the chairs wagon. I'd like to hear more from him.

[ashersky]

Robz being absent day one is a town tell for him. ash seems more subdued than I've seen him other times, but he's pretty much always been scum when I played with him.

I'm just insanely busy IRL.

[chairs]

I'm not too sold on the chairs wagon. I'd like to hear more from him.

I mean, what do you want to hear me talk about?  I feel like I'm being punished for being open, so I'm opting to restrict myself to answering questions at the moment.

[A Drowned Kernel]

How about, do you think the people voting for you are scummy?