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[Brightgalrs]

Do we know there's a roleblocker or do we "know" there's a roleblocker based on the belief that Galz is telling the truth?

"Know". I can confidently say I don't know anything.

[raerae]

Do we know there's a roleblocker or do we "know" there's a roleblocker based on the belief that Galz is telling the truth?

"Know". I can confidently say I don't know anything.

Based on your analysis or Galz?

[Brightgalrs]

Based on your analysis or Galz?

It's all based on what Galz says. And then me coming to the conclusion that Galz is likely not scum.
There's not too much to analyze on this other than that.

[Uncleeurope]

LaLights SK claim is a much safer claim than the previous VT the guy would have been forced to stick to.

Also, let’s not forget that the only reason I am the talk of the town lately is my claim, where LL has actually acted scummy up to this point.

[raerae]

If we kill LL now what's night look like?

Best case:
No night, we all win!

Second best case:
I'm the NK, Bright has to choose between Eddie and Galz

Worst case:
I'm the NK, scum+/-Eddie win

I can't see a town win if Galz is scum.  It looks like there's max two votes available so his lynch isn't going through.  Bright is his ride or die and I can't see that changing.

If you kill me then Bright is likely the NK and Eddie gets to kingmake.

If we kill Eddie then I think we end up with Second best case and worst case, obviously switching Eddie with LL.

[raerae]

Vote: LL

[Brightgalrs]

Okay I figured something out.

Imagine LaLight is actually the roleblocker, and they lied about being a SK, etc. Who did they roleblock last night? Not Galz. mail-mi makes no sense. shraeye seems like an obvious pick, but that can't possibly be because where did the third kill come from? raerae and me are also options, but choosing to roleblock either of us over Galz or shraeye seems unlikely.

Because that line of thought is pretty weak, it points to Uncleeurope being the roleblocker.

I'll wait for Galz to get a word in, but I think I'm going with Eddie.

[Uncleeurope]

Why would you/raerae be unlikely? LL wants to shut down opposing NKs it’s quite possible he just sent a RB to a player he thought was scum/might kill him.

Also, it’s possible that exactly raerae is Alien, yes? That could explain the mail-mi kill. Although I find that extremely unlikely.

I think LL blocked a potential threat to his life.

Here’s the thing, I ain’t a RBer.

And even in your stance on me being evil, you haven’t given me a case as to why I should die today.

[Uncleeurope]

Also Galz could be lying.

Also also, LaLight’s first words out of the gate were trying to explain the NKs, saying that he shot Swan and theorized that Shraeye shot Swan too. I think LL shot Mail-Mi or Shraeye, with LL’s rival shooting the other one.

I think Shraeye always shot Swan there.

[Uncleeurope]

Also also also, LaLight immediately voted for raerae, possibly because they RB’d You (Bright) last night and seeing normal deaths went for raerae as the only possibly explaination for the Extra kill (having blocked Galz the nights prior)

[raerae]

Okay I figured something out.

Imagine LaLight is actually the roleblocker, and they lied about being a SK, etc. Who did they roleblock last night? Not Galz. mail-mi makes no sense. shraeye seems like an obvious pick, but that can't possibly be because where did the third kill come from? raerae and me are also options, but choosing to roleblock either of us over Galz or shraeye seems unlikely.

Because that line of thought is pretty weak, it points to Uncleeurope being the roleblocker.

I'll wait for Galz to get a word in, but I think I'm going with Eddie.

Roleblocker can roleblock and still use their factional kill per the PM list.

[raerae]

I believe LaLight; and mailmi now too.


We had 4 kills night 1
claimed shooters: Mafia (must be glooble), WW (must be Archetype), me (pps), Bright (sudgy)
LaLight claims a miss on Space

We had 2 kills night 2
claimed shooters: Mafia (??), WW (??), LaLight (e)
I forgot to shoot
--->So one of these is missing, or roleblocked, or shot at Space, or doubled on MiX.  Many permutations
HEY LALIGHT, WHAT FLAVOR OF SK ARE YOU??

We had 4 kills night 3
claimed shooters: Mafia (pubby, presumably), WW (must be EFHW), LaLight (Joseph), me (Didds)


I don't think Aliens (if they are still around) have shot yet.  I don't see an Alien team using that until the endgame.

I don't think it's in town best interest to say that.

LL, surely there's no harm now, what flavor were you?

Unvote, working on something

[Uncleeurope]

He already claimed 2 shot BP.

[raerae]

I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.

N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one

Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?

[raerae]

He already claimed 2 shot BP.

Sorry for the miss, thanks for the assist.

[Galzria]

I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.

N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one

Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?

I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.

[Galzria]

I’ll try to get to this today, but weekends are usually a slow game time for me and I already have a work project that is unfinished that was due Friday, so...

[raerae]

I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.

N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one

Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?

I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.

So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?

[Galzria]

I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.

N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one

Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?

I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.

So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?

What? I literally was incapable of targeting. That’s what a Roleblocker does. They block a role from taking action. I never targeted Joseph because I was made incapable of doing so.

[raerae]

I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.

N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one

Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?

I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.

So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?

What? I literally was incapable of targeting. That’s what a Roleblocker does. They block a role from taking action. I never targeted Joseph because I was made incapable of doing so.

I'm not trying to be difficult here.  You still posted "Target: Joseph" in your QT so in my head the attempt was made and the Roleblocker stopped the action from moving forward past the target phase so you should still have been shown as targeting somebody.  If that isn't how it works then that isn't how it works, that why I asked.

[raerae]

Went to the wiki to try to understand better and came back with this. 

"By default, players cannot perform two actions at once, which is often an issue for a Mafia Roleblocker if they end up as the last remaining member of their faction."

So there's one more piece of information that doesn't help solve shit.

[Galzria]

I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.

N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one

Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?

I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.

So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?

What? I literally was incapable of targeting. That’s what a Roleblocker does. They block a role from taking action. I never targeted Joseph because I was made incapable of doing so.

I'm not trying to be difficult here.  You still posted "Target: Joseph" in your QT so in my head the attempt was made and the Roleblocker stopped the action from moving forward past the target phase so you should still have been shown as targeting somebody.  If that isn't how it works then that isn't how it works, that why I asked.

Think of all night actions not as being: “Target: X”, but instead as being: “Intent to Target: X”, and then follow the natural order of resolution.

Galz: “Intent to Target Joseph”
Eevee: “Intent to Track Galz”
RB: “Intent to RB Galz”

RB takes place before my Investigation.
My Investigation takes place before Eevee’s Tracking.
Eevee’s Tracking is almost always last resolution.

Before Eevee can track me, I’m prevented from ever visiting Joseph. I receive “No Result” because my action failed. Eevee sees me Target nobody because I was prevented from doing so. He doesn’t see my Intent, he only sees if I actually visit somebody.

[raerae]

I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.

N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one

Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?

I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.

So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?

What? I literally was incapable of targeting. That’s what a Roleblocker does. They block a role from taking action. I never targeted Joseph because I was made incapable of doing so.

I'm not trying to be difficult here.  You still posted "Target: Joseph" in your QT so in my head the attempt was made and the Roleblocker stopped the action from moving forward past the target phase so you should still have been shown as targeting somebody.  If that isn't how it works then that isn't how it works, that why I asked.

Think of all night actions not as being: “Target: X”, but instead as being: “Intent to Target: X”, and then follow the natural order of resolution.

Galz: “Intent to Target Joseph”
Eevee: “Intent to Track Galz”
RB: “Intent to RB Galz”

RB takes place before my Investigation.
My Investigation takes place before Eevee’s Tracking.
Eevee’s Tracking is almost always last resolution.

Before Eevee can track me, I’m prevented from ever visiting Joseph. I receive “No Result” because my action failed. Eevee sees me Target nobody because I was prevented from doing so. He doesn’t see my Intent, he only sees if I actually visit somebody.

That's a super helpful thought process, thank you!

[Galzria]

Went to the wiki to try to understand better and came back with this. 

"By default, players cannot perform two actions at once, which is often an issue for a Mafia Roleblocker if they end up as the last remaining member of their faction."

So there's one more piece of information that doesn't help solve shit.

That is generally mod discretion, and f.ds has a meta of allowing it when a player is the sole remaining player of their faction.

Mod Question: Can a solo remaining scum player use their PR and shoot on the same night?

[Galzria]

Bright, could Raerae be Alien who claimed to be Vanilla-ized after seeing the N2 Vsnilla-ized player flip dead at start of D3?