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[LaLight]

I think shraeye shot DS as well.

[Brightgalrs]

This is some cruel joke. Now I have to deal with my stupidity.

DatSwan has been killed! He was a Mafia Goon!

Hey look I was right! _{Just ignore the fact that the reason I'm right was completely wrong.}

shraeye has been killed! He was a Town Vigilante!

Alright well LaLight might actually be a Serial Killer then.

I have been cured!

Or you're simply claiming you were. mail-mi could've been roleblocked. You not being a Serial Killer to begin with is still on the table. Your claimed Night 1 (attempted) kill has me suspicious.

DatSwan

I think shraeye shot DS as well.

Any particular reason? I lost a bit of suspicion of DatSwan after my Eevee-busing-theory fell through. Uncleeurope looked a little more appetizing after that.

vote: raerae

Why? Also neither of you should be voting before Galz gets here.

If we believe LaLight, then there's one unexplained kill (Mafia killed either mail-mi or shraeye, leaving the other one). And that would point to the WWs still being around.

[Galzria]

Vote: Bright

That's L-2.

Rae, please outline for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.

[Galzria]

vote: raerae

Please explain why you think Rae is scum, and what type of scum she is.

[Galzria]

Why? Also neither of you should be voting before Galz gets here.

If we believe LaLight, then there's one unexplained kill (Mafia killed either mail-mi or shraeye, leaving the other one). And that would point to the WWs still being around.

First, not going to speak to my night action yet for {reasons}. I will in a bit, but there’s other stuff to discuss first.

Second, your statement that three kills points to WW still being around. This may be true, but only if you know for a fact that one set of shots crossed. LaLight claimed Datswan. Mafia presumably shot. Shraeye likely did as well, given the town flip of Eevee. Shraeye didn’t shoot himself, so that leaves Mail-Mi or Swan. If he shot Swan, then yes, between Mail-Mi/Shraeye there’s a missing kill. If he shot Mail-Mi, then all the kills are accounted for, if you assume that Mafia shot Shraeye.

However, if you’re Mafia and you shot Mail-Mi, then the statement “If we believe LaLight, then there's one unexplained kill (Mafia killed either mail-mi or shraeye, leaving the other one). And that would point to the WWs still being around.” is unequivocally true, as Shraeye, again, didn’t shoot himself.

[Brightgalrs]

Good response.

If he shot Mail-Mi, then all the kills are accounted for, if you assume that Mafia shot Shraeye..

My assumption was that Shraeye had enough sense not to shoot mail-mi.

[LaLight]

Good response.

If he shot Mail-Mi, then all the kills are accounted for, if you assume that Mafia shot Shraeye..

My assumption was that Shraeye had enough sense not to shoot mail-mi.

Yeah, why in the world would shraeye shoot mail-mi

[LaLight]

vote: raerae

Please explain why you think Rae is scum, and what type of scum she is.

I simply believe everyone else. I think she's ww.

[Brightgalrs]

I simply believe everyone else. I think she's ww.

But there's still the roleblocker to worry about.

Even if you believe raerae's WW, she was certainly Vanilla-ized on Night 2.

Why certainly? I was thinking about this earlier. First, she claims she was, and no one counterclaimed, and that's pretty good by itself. And the only (deceptive) ways she could've known no one would counterclaim her was either if she knew the player who really got Vanillaized Night 2 was dead (so basically she'd need to be a Watcher or Tracker, and from that knew MiX targeted someone who died on Night 2) OR if she was a roleblocker and roleblocked MiX on Night 2, guaranteeing no counterclaim. For that first possibly, there is a WW Watcher and Mafia Tracker, but it's contrived and doesn't solve where the roleblocking is coming from. The second possibly is impossible as Galz claims he was roleblocked on Night 2.

So the roleblocking can't be explained through her. And because of that you've gotta think at least one other person is lying, right?

[LaLight]

Who did Galz check both nights? Are we certain there's an rb?

[Brightgalrs]

Who did Galz check both nights? Are we certain there's an rb?

Yes that's a possibility, but then you'd have to suspect Galz is lying, see.

[LaLight]

If there is and Galz is not an rb and I am not and raerae is not...


Eddie, are you lying?

[LaLight]

Who did Galz check both nights? Are we certain there's an rb?

Yes that's a possibility, but then you'd have to suspect Galz is lying, see.

No, checking a Hider yields the same "no result" as an rb

[LaLight]

I mean being rb, sorry, phoneposting and it's cold

[LaLight]

Being roleblocked.

[raerae]

Vote: Bright

That's L-2.

Rae, please outline for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.

Dude, I can't explain shots and kills, I haven't analyzed the game like that and I wouldn't know where to start.  Plus, the whole flippin' reason Eevee is dead is because he HAD to be the roleblocker.  He wasn't.  So clearly that level/method of analysis isn't foolproof.

If either you or Eddie are scum I'll just gift-wrap this game for you right now, you've done beautifully.

LL could be lying about being SK but he gets no benefit from lying about being cured if he is the SK so I'm inclined to believe him. 

Bright's been pushing incorrect cases based on assumptions based on his flawed analysis the entire game.  He rushed that Eevee lynch hard.  He and DatSwan were doing that weird defense of each other D3 after I claimed vanilla'd and started pushing Bright for attacking me.  His actions haven't been town actions and, can we just take a look at this quote real quick?

Because your vote shouldn't depend solely on who you think is lying, you should also consider the damage they could do to the town. So even if your tunnel vision thinks I'm lying, you'll still vote for Eevee. Doubly so if it's to avoid a No Lynch.

That says, "Yeah, I'm lying, but think of the children!"  Dude's clearly scum, my vote stays.

[Brightgalrs]

Dude, I can't explain shots and kills, I haven't analyzed the game like that and I wouldn't know where to start.

It's pretty simple, on Night 1 four people died: Glooble, sudgy, pingpongsam, and Archetype.

shraeye claims pingpongsam as his kill and I claim sudgy as my kill.

LaLight claims none of the kills (shoot at Space, he was a hider, immune).

So who killed Glooble? Who killed Archetype?

[raerae]

Dude, I can't explain shots and kills, I haven't analyzed the game like that and I wouldn't know where to start.

It's pretty simple, on Night 1 four people died: Glooble, sudgy, pingpongsam, and Archetype.

shraeye claims pingpongsam as his kill and I claim sudgy as my kill.

LaLight claims none of the kills (shoot at Space, he was a hider, immune).

So who killed Glooble? Who killed Archetype?

I understood the question but thanks for the mansplanation.  I've answered Galz and he can ask me if he needs anything more.

[Brightgalrs]

I understood the question but thanks for the mansplanation.

I deeply apologize if that's how my explanation came off. I value the knowledge and insight of all genders, and no one deserves to feel like they are being talked down to in a condescending way. I'll avoid responding like that in future.

I've answered Galz

No you didn't:

line for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.

[raerae]

I understood the question but thanks for the mansplanation.

I deeply apologize if that's how my explanation came off. I value the knowledge and insight of all genders, and no one deserves to feel like they are being talked down to in a condescending way. I'll avoid responding like that in future.

I've answered Galz

No you didn't:

line for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.

We'll let Galz decide that then.

[LaLight]

I understood the question but thanks for the mansplanation.

I deeply apologize if that's how my explanation came off. I value the knowledge and insight of all genders, and no one deserves to feel like they are being talked down to in a condescending way. I'll avoid responding like that in future.

I've answered Galz

No you didn't:

line for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.

Then maybe try stop calling Space "he".

[LaLight]

Galz, I guess we need your result now.

[raerae]

Can we a prod on Eddie, please? He hasn't come in at all today.

[Uncleeurope]

I’m here, I just have nothing to add.

Basically, whoever comes out on top today will win with me tomorrow. I would rather not influence that decision if I can avoid it.

Or, if I am lying to you, you will be able to just lynch me tomorrow, although I would be bummed about that.

[raerae]

I’m here, I just have nothing to add.

Basically, whoever comes out on top today will win with me tomorrow. I would rather not influence that decision if I can avoid it.

Or, if I am lying to you, you will be able to just lynch me tomorrow, although I would be bummed about that.

Fair enough.