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[pingpongsam]

But yes, I didn't think there's a lot of resistance. Certainly less than with Egork.

This is largely because egorK is a lurker and probably won't even be around to defend himself if it accelerated fast enough. I mean, I appreciate the wagon, I really do. I'm not sure about this term "lynch-bait" but it sure looks like "scum-bait" where I put it out there and hope scum bite.

[Seprix]

vote: Joseph

L-1

[silverspawn]

but it sure looks like "scum-bait" where I put it out there and hope scum bite.

Well that's a whole other story. But I'm confused; are you saying you did this? Trying to catch scum by lying out an easy target?

[J Reggie]

vote: Joseph

L-1

Wait, really? I thought we had moved past this. Joseph looked scummy early on and got a big wagon on him, but then he improved and most people moved their votes away. At least that's what I thought. I honestly don't get why ADK and Awaclus are still arguing for his lynch. He's townie and has been helping the game ever since he got all that pressure on him.

[J Reggie]

People of be OK with lynching:
ii
Ss
E
Maybe EgorK, depends on what I think when he posts more

People I'm not OK with lynching:
Pretty much anyone else, including Joseph.

[Awaclus]

Wait, really? I thought we had moved past this. Joseph looked scummy early on and got a big wagon on him, but then he improved and most people moved their votes away. At least that's what I thought. I honestly don't get why ADK and Awaclus are still arguing for his lynch. He's townie and has been helping the game ever since he got all that pressure on him.

I don't recall him being able to prove that he's town.

[silverspawn]

e ii is either -e or about 1,7

[silverspawn]

I honestly don't get why [...] Awaclus

better get used to that feeling

[silverspawn]

Though really, @JReggie, what has Joseph done to make you townread him? Why is he out of your PoE?

Or is your PoE just scummy people?

[Awaclus]

I don't recall him being able to prove that he's town.

Actually he hasn't even tried to say anything in his defense at all. Wow, he's, like, actually guaranteed to be scum now.

[silverspawn]

I don't recall him being able to prove that he's town.

Actually he hasn't even tried to say anything in his defense at all.

true

Wow, he's, like, actually guaranteed to be scum now.

Not true, unfortunately. As you should know by now. Overconfidence is a sign of... mh, well, either inexperience or bias. Or of in-authenticity if it's faked.

[J Reggie]

Though really, @JReggie, what has Joseph done to make you townread him? Why is he out of your PoE?

Or is your PoE just scummy people?

He's been making helpful contributions to the thread. I don't always agree with him, but his posts are genuine and help us make progress finding scum.

I don't recall him being able to prove that he's town.

Actually he hasn't even tried to say anything in his defense at all. Wow, he's, like, actually guaranteed to be scum now.

Ok yes I know arguing with Awaclus is pointless but no. Scum is just as likely if not more likely to defend themselves when under pressure. The fact that Joseph hasn't come out and said "this is why I'm town" is in no way a scumtell. His actions should speak for themselves. Which, in my opinion, they have.

[silverspawn]

Though really, @JReggie, what has Joseph done to make you townread him? Why is he out of your PoE?

Or is your PoE just scummy people?

He's been making helpful contributions to the thread. I don't always agree with him, but his posts are genuine and help us make progress finding scum.

really? More than me?

Can you provide a few examples?

[Seprix]

I don't think Joseph is town anymore.

[Awaclus]

Ok yes I know arguing with Awaclus is pointless but no. Scum is just as likely if not more likely to defend themselves when under pressure. The fact that Joseph hasn't come out and said "this is why I'm town" is in no way a scumtell. His actions should speak for themselves. Which, in my opinion, they have.

That's not true. Scum is more likely to avoid defending themselves because they know they have nothing going on for them. Town will surely defend themselves (and very convincingly so) because they know that they are innocent and that all the evidence suggests that to be the case.

Nobody's actions should speak for themselves. When you're town, it's difficult to find evidence that suggests that someone is scum. When you're scum, it's difficult to find evidence that suggests that you're town. That's why we should require people to find evidence to prove their own innocence, not to find evidence to prove other players' guilt — that way, scum has to do the difficult part and town doesn't, which gives scum a better chance to fail.

To provide you with a concrete example, look at RMM31. I asked Limetime to explain why he was town, he wasn't able to do it, and then he flipped scum. Then I asked Ichi to explain why he was town, he wasn't able to do it either, and then he flipped scum as well. It just is that simple.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Ok yes I know arguing with Awaclus is pointless but no. Scum is just as likely if not more likely to defend themselves when under pressure. The fact that Joseph hasn't come out and said "this is why I'm town" is in no way a scumtell. His actions should speak for themselves. Which, in my opinion, they have.

That's not true. Scum is more likely to avoid defending themselves because they know they have nothing going on for them. Town will surely defend themselves (and very convincingly so) because they know that they are innocent and that all the evidence suggests that to be the case.

Nobody's actions should speak for themselves. When you're town, it's difficult to find evidence that suggests that someone is scum. When you're scum, it's difficult to find evidence that suggests that you're town. That's why we should require people to find evidence to prove their own innocence, not to find evidence to prove other players' guilt — that way, scum has to do the difficult part and town doesn't, which gives scum a better chance to fail.

To provide you with a concrete example, look at RMM31. I asked Limetime to explain why he was town, he wasn't able to do it, and then he flipped scum. Then I asked Ichi to explain why he was town, he wasn't able to do it either, and then he flipped scum as well. It just is that simple.

Okay, then explain why you're town.

[gkrieg13]

At this point, I don't think I would hammer Joseph, but I do want to hear from him more.  His reaction to the fake-hammer seemed genuinely town to me. 

I do like Awaclus's point, and would like Joseph to explain why he is town.

[J Reggie]

I could be wrong, Joseph could be scum.  It's more of a gut feeling.  I'm not going to hammer him, though. 

[iguanaiguana]

I could be wrong, Joseph could be scum.  It's more of a gut feeling.  I'm not going to hammer him, though.

I wanted you to hammer e and get that hammering scum on your first day of mafia thing : /

[silverspawn]

Ok yes I know arguing with Awaclus is pointless but no. Scum is just as likely if not more likely to defend themselves when under pressure. The fact that Joseph hasn't come out and said "this is why I'm town" is in no way a scumtell. His actions should speak for themselves. Which, in my opinion, they have.

That's not true. Scum is more likely to avoid defending themselves because they know they have nothing going on for them. Town will surely defend themselves (and very convincingly so) because they know that they are innocent and that all the evidence suggests that to be the case.

Nobody's actions should speak for themselves. When you're town, it's difficult to find evidence that suggests that someone is scum. When you're scum, it's difficult to find evidence that suggests that you're town. That's why we should require people to find evidence to prove their own innocence, not to find evidence to prove other players' guilt — that way, scum has to do the difficult part and town doesn't, which gives scum a better chance to fail.

To provide you with a concrete example, look at RMM31. I asked Limetime to explain why he was town, he wasn't able to do it, and then he flipped scum. Then I asked Ichi to explain why he was town, he wasn't able to do it either, and then he flipped scum as well. It just is that simple.

You forgot to mention all the cases where it didn't work. I can also just say lynch everyone whose name starts with an A and then point to lots of cases where it worked.

[silverspawn]

I'd have a better ratio, too.

[Awaclus]

You forgot to mention all the cases where it didn't work. I can also just say lynch everyone whose name starts with an A and then point to lots of cases where it worked.

RMM31 was the first game where I used this method and it had a 100% success rate.

[iguanaiguana]

You forgot to mention all the cases where it didn't work. I can also just say lynch everyone whose name starts with an A and then point to lots of cases where it worked.

RMM31 was the only game where I used this method and it had a 100% success rate.

FTFY

[silverspawn]

You forgot to mention all the cases where it didn't work. I can also just say lynch everyone whose name starts with an A and then point to lots of cases where it worked.

RMM31 was the first game where I used this method and it had a 100% success rate.

and then you used it after that and now it doesn't have a 100% success rate anymore.

[Haddock]

I don't intend to hammer Joseph, I still think he's probably town. 

I don't agree with Awaclus.  Just in principle, people don't have to do a million towny things to be town.  They just need to not do lots of scummy things.

In particular, this:

they are innocent and that all the evidence suggests that to be the case.

is just false.  It is not always the case that all the evidence points to townies being town.  Sometimes towny people do stupid things and it makes them look scummy. 

Anyhow, Joseph hasn't done that many outright scummy things.  He's done crazy stuff but nothing outright scummy.  I really don't think scum ever claims scum.

So yeah, summary, there has to be a better lynch than Joseph today.  I like my vote where it is.

Quit being pathetic and take a useful position.

Glad to know it's not just me you like to randomly insult.    (just kidding, worry not)

But I do agree that II's despair was not helpful, glad you got him out of it.
So yeah I think town on PPS for that.  Scum would have been happy to encourage the desperation - even if II was his partner.