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[iguanaiguana]

I like the case on Haddock but hammering on the first day would be absolutely awful. I'd like to hear Haddock's reads.

So is someone else scummy?

Didn't see this before. Yeah chairs.

[Awaclus]

vote: rr

Why?

Why not?

[Awaclus]

Vote: iguanaiguana

[A Drowned Kernel]

I like the case on Haddock but hammering on the first day would be absolutely awful. I'd like to hear Haddock's reads.

So is someone else scummy?

Didn't see this before. Yeah chairs.

Really? I'm not finding chairs scummy at all.

[Witherweaver]

I like the case on Haddock but hammering on the first day would be absolutely awful. I'd like to hear Haddock's reads.

So is someone else scummy?

Didn't see this before. Yeah chairs.

Really? I'm not finding chairs scummy at all.

This feels like an arbitrary town assignment:

Town on Haddock by the way for doing a D1 read post which I know is outside his comfort zone

Well, a made-up reason for a town assignment.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.6

RR: (2) Haddock, chairs
Haddock: (3) 2.7, ADK, gkrieg (L-2)
chairs: (2) WW, iguana
iguana: (1) Awaclus

Not Voting: (1) RR

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day1 will last for 7 days and will end at 7:00 pm forum time, May 11, 2016.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I like the case on Haddock but hammering on the first day would be absolutely awful. I'd like to hear Haddock's reads.

So is someone else scummy?

Didn't see this before. Yeah chairs.

Really? I'm not finding chairs scummy at all.

This feels like an arbitrary town assignment:

Town on Haddock by the way for doing a D1 read post which I know is outside his comfort zone

Well, a made-up reason for a town assignment.

That doesn't look that made up to me, even if I disagree with it. A more made-up read is Haddock's town read on Awaclus for reasoning that should be a null read, which looks like he got to the end of his read list and went "crap, I have to have a town read on someone". chairs looked like he put at least some thought into that.

[gkrieg13]

I give town points to WW it looks like he is scum hunting.

[iguanaiguana]

Chairs:

1) Hasn't said much, that's normal for him. 
2) Answered for me to WW that my post was an 'appeal to emotion' -- This felt like a cheap way to undercut what I was saying and subtly push others toward scum reading me.
3) Hedged when questioned about previous appeal to emotion post - saying I 'still looked townie,' despite the post. This seemed a bit off to me.
4) unexplained vote on rr feel opportunistic.

This adds up to a mild scum read and my best vote for now.

[Witherweaver]

I like the case on Haddock but hammering on the first day would be absolutely awful. I'd like to hear Haddock's reads.

So is someone else scummy?

Didn't see this before. Yeah chairs.

Really? I'm not finding chairs scummy at all.

This feels like an arbitrary town assignment:

Town on Haddock by the way for doing a D1 read post which I know is outside his comfort zone

Well, a made-up reason for a town assignment.

That doesn't look that made up to me, even if I disagree with it. A more made-up read is Haddock's town read on Awaclus for reasoning that should be a null read, which looks like he got to the end of his read list and went "crap, I have to have a town read on someone". chairs looked like he put at least some thought into that.

Well, I don't agree.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Well, I don't agree.

How are you feeling about Haddock right now?

[Witherweaver]

Well, I don't agree.

How are you feeling about Haddock right now?

His big post felt townie.

[iguanaiguana]

Well, I don't agree.

How are you feeling about Haddock right now?

His big post felt townie.

On what merits?

[Witherweaver]

Well, I don't agree.

How are you feeling about Haddock right now?

His big post felt townie.

On what merits?

Very early big wagon; I think scum is going to want to play it more low key and hope the spotlight on him moves on.  This was a big post, had some real analysis, felt honest with reads and such, shows evidence of actual deliberation.  Big posts aren't necessarily townie, but if you're scum in that situation, it's harder to write so much, because you're on the verge of being lynched.. you tend to think everything you write is just going to make you look so scummy.  So it's hard to make a genuine-sounding post that has content.

Backed off e and went to RR.. that could go either way I guess. 

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm here now. I'll read and post in the very near future.

[iguanaiguana]

Well, I don't agree.

How are you feeling about Haddock right now?

His big post felt townie.

On what merits?

Very early big wagon; I think scum is going to want to play it more low key and hope the spotlight on him moves on.  This was a big post, had some real analysis, felt honest with reads and such, shows evidence of actual deliberation.  Big posts aren't necessarily townie, but if you're scum in that situation, it's harder to write so much, because you're on the verge of being lynched.. you tend to think everything you write is just going to make you look so scummy.  So it's hard to make a genuine-sounding post that has content.

Backed off e and went to RR.. that could go either way I guess.

I guess I just feel like a long post is Haddock's go-to response to a wagon regardless of alignment, so that in itself isn't townie - then, as others have pointed out, his reads on RR and Awaclus seem pretty made up -- so the townie content is not really there.

The first time I read Haddock's post I found it convincing but on reread it's not so great.

[Witherweaver]

Are you thinking of specific scum game(s) from Haddock?

[A Drowned Kernel]

For the sake of getting more conversation going: haddock, is there a reason you left me off your reads list?

[iguanaiguana]

Are you thinking of specific scum game(s) from Haddock?

No, but I do remember reading scum games of his where he's made similar big posts defending himself. Maybe his first game?

[iguanaiguana]

I guess is general now that it's something he has a reputation for doing, of course he's going to do it as scum.

[gkrieg13]

Well, I don't agree.

How are you feeling about Haddock right now?

His big post felt townie.

On what merits?

Very early big wagon; I think scum is going to want to play it more low key and hope the spotlight on him moves on.  This was a big post, had some real analysis, felt honest with reads and such, shows evidence of actual deliberation.  Big posts aren't necessarily townie, but if you're scum in that situation, it's harder to write so much, because you're on the verge of being lynched.. you tend to think everything you write is just going to make you look so scummy.  So it's hard to make a genuine-sounding post that has content.

Backed off e and went to RR.. that could go either way I guess.

At least for me, a big post isn't something I do more as either alignment, it's just something I do at L-1

[gkrieg13]

Are you thinking of specific scum game(s) from Haddock?

No, but I do remember reading scum games of his where he's made similar big posts defending himself. Maybe his first game?

His first game when he white knighted faust

[Haddock]

RR is freaking out about votes for no reason which is pretty much classic RR. I don't like haddock voting for him, meta wise that's like the safest vote ever.

Weird.  One of my reasons for voting for him was because I think he hasn't been freaking out like he usually would...  I say again what I said to somebody in a game recently - that I would probably avoid voting RR as scum, it's too transparent.  My ability to read RR is definitely weakening of late.   Who knows.

A more made-up read is Haddock's town read on Awaclus for reasoning that should be a null read, which looks like he got to the end of his read list and went "crap, I have to have a town read on someone". chairs looked like he put at least some thought into that.

Goes without saying I guess, but I didn't make up my Awaclus read.  But I do see your point here.  Lately I think I'm finding Awa towny too easily, I think because I'm aware of how easy it is to see his usual behaviour as scummy.  Overcompensating, if that makes sense.  With Awaclus I think you basically always have to go with gut.  And gut is what I got right now.  I don't want to lynch Awa today.

For the sake of getting more conversation going: haddock, is there a reason you left me off your reads list?

Think I just forgot, sorry.  Then again I'm not sure I can offer anything on you now.  I've played two games with you I believe, one where we were scum partners and one (Walking Dead) which was a crazy RMM and I died N1.  Very little to go on based on that.  I'd probably gut read you as slightly scummy, but really I think that's just me having a negative reaction to your very confident/brusque (no offense meant, sorry) conversational style.  I've had similar gut scum reads be wrong about people like ash/WW before...



Various comments about my long posts.  I guess my posts are probably longer than the average anyway, but yeah I do tend to make extra long ones if I'm in danger of being lynched.  Note that I've only once, as scum, been close to being lynched.  I can't remember whether I made a big long post there.  I think maybe I didn't, I was just despairing cos I was being bussed into oblivion.  That was an RMM game, Board Game Mafia I think?  So if people want to check that out, I point you in that direction.

PPE.  I really wasn't particularly close to being lynched that game, was I?  I was found scummy D1, and I did freak out a bit, but I don't remember making any epic long posts of the style we're discussing.

[iguanaiguana]

Whether you've done long posts as scum in the past is irrelevant. The point is that making long defense posts is your style; therefore at this point you will do it regardless of alignment just to replicate your meta --- so people need to look at the content of your reads, which I would argue is lacking here.

[Haddock]

so people need to look at the content of your reads, which I would argue is lacking here.

It seems to me I've now offered more in terms of reads than any other player. So I can only assume you're disagreeing with my reads. Probably RR? I guess that's my most controversial.
  Here's my proposition:
RR is not acting as crazy, nor posting as much, as he usually does as town. I think that's scummy.

If people would like to rebut or refute that proposition they are welcome to.

Equally if people have specific questions about my reads I will answer them.

Otherwise this conversation is no longer productive. My reads are there for people to look at. Obviously I will say as and when they change.

At a conference right now, I can contribute some more this evening.