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[Galzria]

So how could you have all those thoughts and then still do something so antitown?

I didn't do anything known anti-town, unless you're suggesting to know Swan is town.

Same logic - YOU did do something anti Town knowing i was town.

What's anti-town?

Better question - what was to be gained for Town by you claiming pos 1 then, obviously knowing they were in claimed, calling them out at the end. As you pointed it out you clearly knew it was me. It isn’t what was anti Town. It is why go through all the effort of this to be anything but pro town?

So what was pro town Galz?

Your claim?
You forcing pos 1 to out?
Pushing for quick lynch ?(not being results oriented).
Lying to Town?


This is nonsense. 2 days down the road after person x and y are gone anyways this is just gonna come back up. There was no reason for this line. He only reason was to help and by forcing hand he took that away.

Your whole argument is based on something I can't know: That you're town. Let's assume for a moment that you're not - and I die tonight. Or tomorrow. Or whenever. And you've never been forced out.

I believe that the damage to town that the above scenario does far outweighs any damage done to town by "outting" you now if you're town. The play, for my role, was over N1. At that point lying further is in no way advantageous for town.

And what? You're upset that... I refused to claim first? Everybody agreed to the suggestion that claiming draft was fine (you included). Had I claimed first you still would've been outted - unless your plan was to try and claim Ashersky's spot in which case I maintain that the play was definitely the right one.

I'll give you that you must, regardless of alignment, argue from a town perspective - and that's completely fine. And if you've decided I'm scum then there's no real debating you. But for me, as town, not knowing your alignment, and having claimed your spot, it was 100% in town's interest for me to come clean once I felt my usefulness had been served.

[Witherweaver]

I think Galzria is town.

[Witherweaver]

Possibly town on Datswan as well.

[Witherweaver]

Which I think puts me to

Vote: Haddock

Alternatives are people not very present in my mind.

[Galzria]

Trying to draw the nk is a good use of the bulletproof. But why did you need to out draft 1 today? If you had been quiet you might have absorbed another nk,  which is not a bad use of your shortened life expectancy.

I'm only 1 shot bullet proof -  I mean, ....

Ah, I get your meaning. Me being dead from NK is arguably better than Draft #1 being exposed.

That's quite possibly accurate - but then the lie dies with me, which is just awful for town if Swan is scum.

[chairs]

vote: WW because the way the "I think both of these people are Town" came out is eeeehhhhh.

[Witherweaver]

vote: WW because the way the "I think both of these people are Town" came out is eeeehhhhh.

I'm not so sure about Datswan if it makes you feel better.

[Swowl]

Trying to draw the nk is a good use of the bulletproof. But why did you need to out draft 1 today? If you had been quiet you might have absorbed another nk,  which is not a bad use of your shortened life expectancy.

I'm only 1 shot bullet proof -  I mean, ....

Ah, I get your meaning. Me being dead from NK is arguably better than Draft #1 being exposed.

That's quite possibly accurate - but then the lie dies with me, which is just awful for town if Swan is scum.

Everyone save this and make it your wallpaper.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry guys, a lot busier than I thought I would be. Will get to this tomorrow hopefully.

[schadd]

datswan lookin powertown

galzie maybe less than powertown?

kind of just want to lynch mister guana tbh. he's kinda wrong and i'm just stuck on it

spooky that awaclus hasn't been wagoned yet lmao

[Swowl]

Again distraction

[Dylan32]

I was draft position 7 and bid on RMM 14.

I think Datswan is probably town here. Mixed feelings about Galz. His narrative makes some sense I think, but I'm not totally sure what the pro-town payoff was of that lie.

[Swowl]

I think Galzria is town.

Why? No BS, please list reasons as to why you think anything he has done is more beneficial than him just being quiet and saying nothing.

[Swowl]

Possibly town on Datswan as well.

You don't think this is true stop lying to seem level headed.

[Swowl]

So how could you have all those thoughts and then still do something so antitown?

I didn't do anything known anti-town, unless you're suggesting to know Swan is town.

Same logic - YOU did do something anti Town knowing i was town.

What's anti-town?

Better question - what was to be gained for Town by you claiming pos 1 then, obviously knowing they were in claimed, calling them out at the end. As you pointed it out you clearly knew it was me. It isn’t what was anti Town. It is why go through all the effort of this to be anything but pro town?

So what was pro town Galz?

Your claim?
You forcing pos 1 to out?
Pushing for quick lynch ?(not being results oriented).
Lying to Town?


This is nonsense. 2 days down the road after person x and y are gone anyways this is just gonna come back up. There was no reason for this line. He only reason was to help and by forcing hand he took that away.

Your whole argument is based on something I can't know: That you're town. Let's assume for a moment that you're not - and I die tonight. Or tomorrow. Or whenever. And you've never been forced out. - you do know I am town. everything else on this line is irrelevant.

I believe that the damage to town that the above scenario does far outweighs any damage done to town by "outting" you now if you're town. The play, for my role, was over N1. At that point lying further is in no way advantageous for town. - Then why make the top pick out themselves? Why suggest draft claim? If you believed your role was done then it was all done. Just do what was helpful and forego all this confusion. Skummy. Or skum. Galz is skum. Don't know if I have said that yet.

And what? You're upset that... I refused to claim first? Everybody agreed to the suggestion that claiming draft was fine (you included). Had I claimed first you still would've been outted - unless your plan was to try and claim Ashersky's spot in which case I maintain that the play was definitely the right one. - You are absolutely 100% not this @#$%dumb. Skum. Skum Skum.

I'll give you that you must, regardless of alignment, argue from a town perspective - and that's completely fine. And if you've decided I'm scum then there's no real debating you. But for me, as town, not knowing your alignment, and having claimed your spot, it was 100% in town's interest for me to come clean once I felt my usefulness had been served. - Didn't bother to read. Skum.

[faust]

An aside, I miss the CF days when he'd do all the post count work for everyone

Vote Count 2.2

Haddock (3): iguanaiguana, EFHW, Witherweaver
iguanaiguana (2): Haddock, schadd
DatSwan (1): Awaclus
Galzria (1): DatSwan
Witherweaver (1): chairs

Not Voting (8): ashersky, gkrieg13, SpaceAnemone, 2.71828....., JaketheBaseballGod22, Dylan32, silverspawn, Galzria

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day 2 ends November 25 at 6:30 am forum time.

Deadline extended by 24 hours due to Thanksgiving.

[Swowl]

So... Galz... You are saying that you thought that your play so far, or lack thereof (in regards to your normal content), has been in the interest of Town? You think that your fake claim leading to nothing but chaos (and you damn well knew that it would) was pro town? You are being truthful about your current bid order? You are being truthful about not receiving your item from a Station 1 bid as Pick 10? And you are claiming that you got the sword stick (given role PR) upon PPS death and it broke... as you are town.

All of that is correct?

[Haddock]

Having read all this, my instinct is very much to come down on Galzria's side.  I think he's town, and Swan is entirely failing to convince me. 

Galzria's argument is a good one.  The fact that his plan had a flaw or two notwithstanding, my snap judgement is that I believe him.



Swan's behaviour is not the best, and pushes me towards scummy for him.  But I don't think scum would willingly draw this much attention to themselves by tunnelling someone so intensely on D2. 

Gonna go reread some things.

[Haddock]

Swan's behaviour is not the best, and pushes me towards scummy for him. 

I'm keenly aware of the irony here, given my earlier outburst.  It's true, though.

[silverspawn]

Possibly town on Datswan as well.

You don't think this is true stop lying to seem level headed.

I find this to be quite offensive even though it's not directed at me.

[silverspawn]

So Swan, why did you not counterclaim the pick immediately?

[silverspawn]

The #1 draft position claim I mean. No idea why I called it "pick".

[Haddock]

First thing I've gained from reread so far:

I'm barking up the wrong tree with iguana.  He's town.  unvote

[Haddock]

More stuff from reread:
Galzria feels very towny.
Schadd is being schadd - I lean towny there, but then again I've not seen scum!schadd in a while, if ever.

Chairs hasn't said all that much, but his posts when he's been around have been generally helpful.  I'm always up for a chairs lynch, but I think not here.


I'm getting scum vibes up the wazoo from WW.  I'll compile some things in the next post.

[Haddock]

Is gkrieg v/la?  I'm seeing nothing from him.

Also very little from Jake. 

Bah.  I keep getting distracted from my desire to say stuff about WW.



This is Swan's first post after Galz's draft order claim.

also what did we learn from this?

He was pick 1, so he went station 8. duh.
or he is lying.

So... nothing?


We need to establish some like rules before random claims keep happening because I feel like all we are doing is giving skum free shit.

This is his second.

Convinced Galz got #17 in the draft.

this.

Maybe I'm a bad player, but why oh why wouldn't you snap vote Galz here, as Swan?  Just seems bizarre to me.  I honestly don't know whether town or scum are more likely to do this.  But, maybe scum don't want to look too aggressive?  I dunno.  Equally maybe town want to hide the fact that they're slot 1 and are worried about giving themselves away.

Either way, Swan never votes for Galz and then a fair amount later completely changes tack and votes for PPS out of the blue. 
Does town!Swan really ever give up on tunnelling Galz there?  (especially considering his behaviour now)  Like, I'd be thinking "great, I've caught scum".  Mmmm.


Also, lest we forget:

Confirmed, Rolestopping Priest was an Orc role in LOTR2 that I made — couldn’t hammer ever unless only Orc left alive.

Does Faust flip that into a town role?  Anyway, good info for the future.

I want to emphasize this so that folks don’t forget this tomorrow.  Or if killing roles want to sort this out for us tonight.

Ash was keen to have discussion about schadd's fakehammer. 
It's a good point.  Orcish Priest is the only role that springs to my mind because it's what I was in Rewind 1.  (Does faust use the same roles as from Rewind 1? Dunno. Probably not?)