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[pacovf]

While I agree with everything XP is saying (although he didn't really help lynch silver), I am a bit surprised by how strongly he's pushing Ashersky. Right now, I don't know what is more unlikely: Ash doing a nokill in N2, or Ash somehow not noticing that Voltaire had to be town (from his PoV) and wasting a cop opportunity on him. Regardless of whether Ash is scum or not though, he has claimed cop, so it's better to keep him alive. Hopefully he will catch scum before we are forced to decide whether we want to lynch him or not.

Something else:

I am Daenerys Stormborn, the Mother of Dragons.

I may not switch houses, and I become the Hand of the King automatically if I'm still alive while Targayen gets in charge. There may be additional things.

This is the sole reason anyone finds XP towny, right?  The "scum can't have that role" argument?  That's what fakeclaims are for.

Up until today, you were a strong defender of XP being town based on his role. What has changed?

The no lynch argument seems good, so I too vote: no lynch (that's L-2)

[Witherweaver]

XP being Mafia means Silver's day 1 argument was "Don't lynch my partner PPS, lynch my partner XP instead!" and being very, very insistent on it. I do not believe that's a first-time scum play.

XP could be a traitor, but 2 mafia + traitor isn't enough, I think, and 3 mafia+traitor means there is still someone else.

Plus, XP sounds just like town! XP.

[Witherweaver]

I think the role is in no way indicative of town of scum.  His role is related to his flavor, which is independent of alignment.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Gosh, I can understand Ash here some. I really don't have a good idea of who is likely scum here. I agree with Ash about not being too sure that XP is town--and similarly with WW, it makes me nervous when people are given semi-ICish status for reasons that I don't really think warrant it. I think the last scum could easily be playing a very strong game and not be who we suspect it is (EgorK is my major suspect currently). I could also see Godfather Robz. I think he's lurked more this game than EgorK, but he hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of suspicion for it.

[Witherweaver]

But Volt had to be a tracker.  He correctly knew Ash's night targets on two consecutive nights.  He claimed this in the QT before Ash claimed.  Him guessing correctly both nights is so unlikely it isn't worth considering.

Volt being a Tracker was undeniable.  Not being a Town Tracker is... unheard of, I think.

[XerxesPraelor]

Actually, I think the no-lynch is actually better saved for later when the pool is smaller. Except for that I can't see anyone besides ash being scum at this point. Maybe godfather robz, but that seems unlikely. I'd actually just like to lynch ash.

[pacovf]

and similarly with WW, it makes me nervous when people are given semi-ICish status for reasons that I don't really think warrant it.

He was second on PPS wagon, and didn't move from there. He saved XP when it looked like he was going to be lynched, and PPS died because he was the alternative lynch (I was the alternative alternative lynch). The next day he bussed silver. I don't know, what else do you want?

I think the role is in no way indicative of town of scum.  His role is related to his flavor, which is independent of alignment.

I think there is info to be gleaned about the setup from this role (e.g., could XP have been Daenerys, Mafia Jailkeeper?), but I don't really want to second-guess Faust, so I would just ignore it when considering alignment. Still, Ash was saying that it was a town role, and now he is saying the opposite, I would like to know why.

BTW, the role was confirmed this night, right? XP became Hand of the King without a vote?

Actually, I think the no-lynch is actually better saved for later when the pool is smaller. Except for that I can't see anyone besides ash being scum at this point. Maybe godfather robz, but that seems unlikely. I'd actually just like to lynch ash.

Why is a no-lynch better later?

[Ichimaru Gin]

and similarly with WW, it makes me nervous when people are given semi-ICish status for reasons that I don't really think warrant it.

He was second on PPS wagon, and didn't move from there. He saved XP when it looked like he was going to be lynched, and PPS died because he was the alternative lynch (I was the alternative alternative lynch). The next day he bussed silver. I don't know, what else do you want?

No. I feel really confident that he's town based on reads that you mentioned. I still doubt the whole flavor mix-up making him an IC though, which was what I was referring to.

I really want to believe you're town and some of the stuff Ash has done recently is fairly scummy. I'm not sure, it'd be nice to hear more from EgorK and Robz (who is VLA I think).

[ashersky]

Everyone else said XP had a role only town could have.  I kept saying its super dangerous for scum to have it.

If he's Hand, that means he won't strongman protect me, right?  So he will just let scum kill me if he actually is town.

[Witherweaver]

Everyone else said XP had a role only town could have.  I kept saying its super dangerous for scum to have it.

If he's Hand, that means he won't strongman protect me, right?  So he will just let scum kill me if he actually is town.

XP is in Targ; Targ has Roleblock, not protect.

I don't believe that any conclusions on XP's alignment based upon his role are valid.  It doesn't provide any evidence that he's town.. and yes if he's scum then it presents a problem (albeit not an insurmountable one).  I believe XP is town based on how he has played and his interactions.

[ashersky]

Everyone else said XP had a role only town could have.  I kept saying its super dangerous for scum to have it.

If he's Hand, that means he won't strongman protect me, right?  So he will just let scum kill me if he actually is town.

XP is in Targ; Targ has Roleblock, not protect.

I don't believe that any conclusions on XP's alignment based upon his role are valid.  It doesn't provide any evidence that he's town.. and yes if he's scum then it presents a problem (albeit not an insurmountable one).  I believe XP is town based on how he has played and his interactions.

There's the problem where he role blocks me, no kills, then gets me mislynched.

[Witherweaver]

That's not a problem.. we just lynch XP.  A better scenario than us lynching you today.

[Witherweaver]

Anyway, XP/Ash not happening today.

We all need to actually go read for interactions.

[ashersky]

That's not a problem.. we just lynch XP.  A better scenario than us lynching you today.

If that was guaranteed to happen, then okay.

But I can see the "I really thought he was scum because it's ash" argument working to get him some pity points and he goes on to win.

[ashersky]

Anyway, XP/Ash not happening today.

We all need to actually go read for interactions.

I think no lynch, get another result makes more sense.

[Witherweaver]

We need to do the rereads anyway.  Well, short of you getting a guilty result and it being true and us winning.

But even so, we have to convince ourselves to believe it.

[XerxesPraelor]

I wish to soft claim godfather.

[XerxesPraelor]

By which I mean I invite ash to cop me tonight.

[XerxesPraelor]

That way, I'll be able to roleblock him sometime in the future and have this excuse come up.

[XerxesPraelor]

I can promise not to roleblock you tonight, we go through with the follow-the-cop, and then when you just 'happen' to not find scum, we lynch you then.

[Witherweaver]

XP and Ash should not target each other tonight

[Witherweaver]

By the way Pac is in Stark, right?

[Teproc]

By the way Pac is in Stark, right?

Yep.

[pacovf]

Not thrilled by XP and/or Ash targeting each other. Even less so tonight.

[ashersky]

I actually think everyone should say who I should cop and who should be blocked in their next post.

Good to get on the record.