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[Swowl]

Galz Vote Count 1.1: Faust is in bed?:

iguanaiguana (1): ashersky
pingpongsam (6): iguanaiguana, LaLight, silverspawn, Galzria, Witherweaver, Datswan
asherksy (1): pingpongsam
silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Dylan32
Haddock (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): schadd

Not Voting (5): Haddock, Awaclus, 2.71828....., JaketheBaseballGod22, chairs

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day 1 ends November 20 at 2 am forum time.

Also reminder that PPS has Hate so we are in fact L-2

[Galzria]

Note that 6 votes for PPS is in fact L-2 as he's hated.

[Galzria]

PEP, yes, that.

[pingpongsam]

Not sure what I can do or say that I haven't already in my defense. I can definitely Vote: DatSwan. You can guys at least thank me for removing sword stick from the game. I'm not some awesome PR otherwise so I'm fine being the D1 mislynch if that's what we have to do. Would rather lynch scum, though.

[Swowl]

Note that 6 votes for PPS is in fact L-2 as he's hated.

be careful pointing out obvious stuff. it comes off as skummy.

[schadd]

wait lmao what

i had not paid any attention to that until now

seems to genuinely think he is in the right marginally more than he did in flash

[schadd]

but like. in a vacuum that is ba a ad

[Swowl]

wait lmao what

i had not paid any attention to that until now

seems to genuinely think he is in the right marginally more than he did in flash

ill go do the digging myself, but is "he" pps or galz in this context?

[gkrieg13]

This item bidding post is a good one.  Shows Awaclus is thinking about what could be useful to town. One thing that we probably want to watch out for is item-swappers and stealers.

I don't like ash's massclaim idea.  It is obvious that scum is going to have GOOD fakeclaims.  Obviously fakeclaims are easy to make here.

Massclaim is terrible. But the Awaclus claim is perfect.

I am not Awaclus.

Vote: Ash

Massclaim might be terrible.  Or it might be phenomenal.

What Awaclus plan?

vote: igu for being overly confident about something without showing his work.  Scum trait.

This is engaged!ash, which is also town!ash.

What I am strongly confident about, on further reflection, is that Awaclus is right about it being positive utility for slot #3 bidders to claim. To the extent that I think everyone should claim whether or not they bid slot #3. I'm not as confident about the other boxes he proposed. I'm not confident that mass claim is good - I think it's probably bad today just like it usually is, but maybe good in a day or two.

Pulling this quote, but really it is his earlier quotes, iguana also seems town, although I thought I was better at reading him than I turned out to be, so I'm not as strong on this one.

Interesting that e supports a massclaim.

meant to rvs him but forgot sorry

Schadd hasn't been abducted by aliens.  But null.

Hmmmmm.  REading all the PPS stuff, and he goes from saying that he is the known vig, to saying that the sword-stick is broken and not in the game.  hmmmmm.  I think this is probably much more likely that it is scum!PPS, that PPS!PPS.

So, we have options.

We could direct PPS to kill tonight.  Outcomes:

--scum kill(s) + PPS kill
--PPS kill only
--scum kill(s) only
--no kills at all

If PPS is scum, I think you see one of the first two.  If PPS is town, any of them could happen for any number of reasons.

Best case in the scum!PPS world is we get to decide his team's target or they have to sacrifice him by not letting him "verify" his claim.  Worst case is we just let him kill someone with his vig while team still gets a factional kill.

I don't get why ash is still talking about this?  PPS just said that the sword stick is out of the game...

everybody is like immediately talking about boring game stuff

can we please just do classic scunhunting e.g. hey everyone how is your day going

Good.  I think my exam went well (hoping for that 100%!)

Happy belated birthday, LL!

I'm so disorganised these days :-(

*birthday hugs*

I feel the same way.  Happy belated birthday LaLight!!!

Also, I think emptyish posting Space is town Space

It feels like galzria is trying to figure things out here.

chairs also seems townie for all of his claims.

Datswan doesn't seem as townie as I would expect here.

I like this post from Haddock, and his comment of 3rd party makes sense. Those are some of the best roles to use in an RMM.

think i mentioned it already but ww is like verily town

How do you read WW?

I did invest time to understand how the bidding works and it's

1: good item
2: nothing
3: penalty item

Low draft numbers are good, high numbers are bad.

Actually faust changed the text when I was confused at first, but it it still confusing.

Wait, that means that Awaclus isn't the miller?

I think Dylan is townie for his long post, but he is wrong about silver.

Ok, I have a bunch of PPEs, but I'll deal with that later.

towns (in order of town): ashersky, iguana, chairs, Space, galz, Haddock.

scums: PPS, (and much less strong opinions of:) Datswan, LaLight,

null(in order of towniness): schadd, Dylan, WW (I still can't read you at all).  silver

Everyone else I don't really have an opinion of yet.  Or I just forgot about you

[gkrieg13]

vote: PPS

L-1

[gkrieg13]

Also, silver and Awaclus have conflicting claims of how multiple bids for the same slot work.

[gkrieg13]

So Awaclus can't be miller according to how the draft works and with e also bidding for slot 3.  It means that someone with a draft order higher than e got the miller.

[Awaclus]

Also, silver and Awaclus have conflicting claims of how multiple bids for the same slot work.

No we don't. I'm claiming I thought it worked differently which is why I did something that turned out to be pretty stupid.

[Awaclus]

So Awaclus can't be miller according to how the draft works and with e also bidding for slot 3.  It means that someone with a draft order higher than e got the miller.

Sounds like you're now making the same mistake as I did. I have a high number, therefore I got the Miller.

[gkrieg13]

I bid for slot 3.

That makes you a miller?

Yes.

For the record, I understood "the highest in draft order among them will recieve the penalty item instead of their original choice" to mean that the lowest number gets the penalty item, so I was trying to give scum the Miller because I had a very high number (i.e. I thought I was considered very "low" in draft order). It was only after receiving the Miller myself that I realized it didn't work like that.

This with the PPE makes sense.  Misunderstood.

[schadd]

vote: pps nighty night

[gkrieg13]

So Awaclus can't be miller according to how the draft works and with e also bidding for slot 3.  It means that someone with a draft order higher than e got the miller.

Sounds like you're now making the same mistake as I did. I have a high number, therefore I got the Miller.

For some reason I thought you were draft number #3, and not just that you had bid on slot number 3.  Now it all makes sense.

[schadd]

wait lmao what

i had not paid any attention to that until now

seems to genuinely think he is in the right marginally more than he did in flash

ill go do the digging myself, but is "he" pps or galz in this context?

pps

[gkrieg13]

vote: pps nighty night

I think I would've at least posted intent first.

[silverspawn]

What faust changed when I was confused was to phrase it in terms of numerical position. The OP now says:

After that, every player may bid on any of the items below. The player with the lowest numerical value in draft order to bid for a given slot will receive the item.

and

Some slots have penalty items. If multiple players bid for such a slot, the highest in draft order among them will recieve the penalty item instead of their original choice.

I think that is now pretty clear. If numbers 4, 7, 12, and 16 bit on one slot and 4 chose item A and 7 chose item B and 12 A or B and 16 chose whatever, then 16 gets penalty because she is highest numerical value, and then 4 gets A and then 7 gets B and 12 gets nothing. It's kinda confusing but not that confusing.

[gkrieg13]

vote: pps nighty night

I think I would've at least posted intent first.

That being said, I think there is a pretty high chance we hit scum here, and not only that, but scum that had an extra kill.

[schadd]

vote: pps nighty night

I think I would've at least posted intent first.

we r different

[silverspawn]

vote: shadd

[gkrieg13]

What faust changed when I was confused was to phrase it in terms of numerical position. The OP now says:

After that, every player may bid on any of the items below. The player with the lowest numerical value in draft order to bid for a given slot will receive the item.

and

Some slots have penalty items. If multiple players bid for such a slot, the highest in draft order among them will recieve the penalty item instead of their original choice.

I think that is now pretty clear. If numbers 4, 7, 12, and 16 bit on one slot and 4 chose item A and 7 chose item B and 12 A or B and 16 chose whatever, then 16 gets penalty because she is highest numerical value, and then 4 gets A and then 7 gets B and 12 gets nothing. It's kinda confusing but not that confusing.

Oh, you could get both items from the slot?  I understood it that only one item from each slot would be obtained.  It turns out I should've asked more questions.

[Galzria]

What faust changed when I was confused was to phrase it in terms of numerical position. The OP now says:

After that, every player may bid on any of the items below. The player with the lowest numerical value in draft order to bid for a given slot will receive the item.

and

Some slots have penalty items. If multiple players bid for such a slot, the highest in draft order among them will recieve the penalty item instead of their original choice.

I think that is now pretty clear. If numbers 4, 7, 12, and 16 bit on one slot and 4 chose item A and 7 chose item B and 12 A or B and 16 chose whatever, then 16 gets penalty because she is highest numerical value, and then 4 gets A and then 7 gets B and 12 gets nothing. It's kinda confusing but not that confusing.

Oh, you could get both items from the slot?  I understood it that only one item from each slot would be obtained.  It turns out I should've asked more questions.

I thought this too.