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[Awaclus]

Because he's like "Well for a scum it would be pretty stupid to tell his abilitys right away *cough cough*"
Vote: Awaclus

Do you disagree with it though?

Alright.

vote: Awaclus

Scum's gut reaction to claims is always, always to believe them, because :
1) They know, pretty much, that they're true
2) They're afraid of going against the current, and because they know the claim is true, they assume everyone will believe it, especially in this context of super early game

Not only that, but he jumped on the occasion to go after Arch as soon as he took a contrary position, using "This case feels insincere" as a reason which, sure, that's a reason town is going to use, but I really see nothing insincere about Arch's case at all.

Why does it make sense that scum!me would tell the truth about believing your claim because I'm afraid of going against the current, and then immediately go against the current and lie about thinking that Arch's case is insincere? I think it makes a lot more sense that Arch is simply lying about not believing your claim.

[Teproc]

Oh, so CalignoBot is an experienced player, sweet.

I've been playing mafia for over a year on these forums.

@Awaclus : well I expected Archetype to catch a lot of heat for this, I expect you did too.

[littleB]

@Awaclus
Well, I'd keep it to myself, that's the difference. I could also be entirely wrong, this is mostly based on an irrational feeling.

[Jimmmmm]

Then why did you completely ignore the people who asked you to elaborate and move on to other things?

Because I didn't see any need to elaborate.

[A Drowned Kernel]

You voted without giving any real explanation, and people asked for an explanation. How is that "no need to elaborate"?

[Jimmmmm]

You voted without giving any real explanation, and people asked for an explanation. How is that "no need to elaborate"?

Because I don't have to do what I'm told.

[Teproc]

Right Jimmmm, we understand you're better than everyone and thus don't have to expalin your votes, but we would appreciate if you enlightened us mere mortals with your findings...

[Jimmmmm]

Right Jimmmm, we understand you're better than everyone

I wouldn't go that far.

[Teproc]

That's just great. Good job Jimmm, you're not being anti-town at all. Awesome.

[Jimmmmm]

Sorry, I'm being annoying. There was obviously no scumslip. When I made my first post, I hadn't read any previous posts, and I voted for the first name I saw.

[Jimmmmm]

That's just great. Good job Jimmm, you're not being anti-town at all. Awesome.

[Teproc]

That's what I figured, ok, let's move on.

Any opinion on who's scum ?

[Archetype]

Because he's like "Well for a scum it would be pretty stupid to tell his abilitys right away *cough cough*"
Vote: Awaclus

Do you disagree with it though?

Alright.

vote: Awaclus

Scum's gut reaction to claims is always, always to believe them, because :
1) They know, pretty much, that they're true
2) They're afraid of going against the current, and because they know the claim is true, they assume everyone will believe it, especially in this context of super early game

Not only that, but he jumped on the occasion to go after Arch as soon as he took a contrary position, using "This case feels insincere" as a reason which, sure, that's a reason town is going to use, but I really see nothing insincere about Arch's case at all.

Why does it make sense that scum!me would tell the truth about believing your claim because I'm afraid of going against the current, and then immediately go against the current and lie about thinking that Arch's case is insincere? I think it makes a lot more sense that Arch is simply lying about not believing your claim.

What makes my argument so insincere?

[Archetype]

Also, were other town players also given a personal QT? Does anyone know if those are for anything special? Mine doesn't seem to have a specific purpose.

I didn't notice the "Town" thing before and agree that it seems like he was trying too hard.

[Archetype]

I'm, like 90% convinced Archetype is town. He's putting himself out there on this, his position isn't particularly popular but it's well-argued... yeah, I don't see him being town.

You are wrong though. Well maybe I shouldn't have claimed, but I believe the town cred (if believed) is worth much more than anything the actual power could be used for.

I totally agree that the town cred from claiming is better than the power. But since it is easily done by both scum or Town (and harder to justify as Town) I'm not going to give your claim any. And since its super duper unlikely that you'll use it, you're basically claiming VT. Which isn't only bad for Town, but helpful for scum if you put it under the guise of obtaining towncred.

[Archetype]

Re: Awaclus' Case. Eh, yeah I can see it and don't understand what of my analysis and conclusion of Teproc's claim to be insincere, but I much prefer Teproc and possibly ADK.

[Teproc]

I'm, like 90% convinced Archetype is town. He's putting himself out there on this, his position isn't particularly popular but it's well-argued... yeah, I don't see him being town.

You are wrong though. Well maybe I shouldn't have claimed, but I believe the town cred (if believed) is worth much more than anything the actual power could be used for.

I totally agree that the town cred from claiming is better than the power. But since it is easily done by both scum or Town (and harder to justify as Town) I'm not going to give your claim any. And since its super duper unlikely that you'll use it, you're basically claiming VT. Which isn't only bad for Town, but helpful for scum if you put it under the guise of obtaining towncred.

I disagree (in that I still think my claim ends up being pro-town), but fine.

I think you guys are reading too much into the ADK thing, I find myself doing that kind of thing unintentionally sometimes.

[Awaclus]

What makes my argument so insincere?

I don't know exactly why, but for some reason, the "I believe that that is what is happening here" felt like you were being a little bit too sure when it was that early and I didn't agree with your reasoning.

[Hydrad]

Sorry, I'm being annoying. There was obviously no scumslip. When I made my first post, I hadn't read any previous posts, and I voted for the first name I saw.

Being annoying can sometimes be good. Gets more reactions!

[Hydrad]

I wanna Vote: ADK

[littleB]

Vote: ADK
I agree with him trying too hard

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.4

Teproc (2): Pit, Archetype
Archetype (2): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm
Awaclus (1): Teproc
Jimmmmm (1): CalignoBot
A Drowned Kernel (2): Hydrad, littleB

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[A Drowned Kernel]

I wanna Vote: ADK

You shouldn't.

[Awaclus]

I don't know about ADK. Finding Archetype scummy is certainly not a scum tell, but I'm not sure if the townslip is. Not reading the setup is one thing, but it was mentioned in the rules, and I don't necessarily find it hard to believe that he didn't read the rules, but I do find it at least surprising.

[A Drowned Kernel]

You find it surprising that I went "closed setup, rules of mafia, yeah I've played a bunch of games I know all this"?