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Dominion => Dominion Online at Shuffle iT => Dominion General Discussion => Dominion Isotropic => Topic started by: Razzishi on June 11, 2012, 10:40:53 pm
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http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201206/11/game-20120611-193019-3fa111e8.html
This is what my live game log looks like:
You play a Golem.
... (You reshuffle.)
... You reveal a Cellar, a Silver, a Copper, a Province, a Copper, an Estate, a Copper, a Province, a Potion, a Copper, a Copper, and a Copper.
... You discard the 6 Coppers, the 2 Provinces, the Potion, the Silver, and the Estate.
... You play the Cellar first.
... ... You get +1 action.
... ... You discard a Province, a Golem, and an Estate.
... ... (You reshuffle.)
... ... You draw 2 Coppers and an Estate.
... You have no other action card to play.
You timed out!
You resign from the game (client disconnected or unresponsive).
Game Over
The game is over! (All but one player has resigned.)
oober has 27 points (3 Provinces, 5 ▼, and 4 Estates) and took 14 turns. Eye Urn resigned.
oober wins!
I most certainly didn't time out - I had *just* made a decision. My turn was taking a bit, but I wasn't taking a particularly long time to make any one decision. I wonder if during my thinking about the Cellar my ISP decided I didn't need to use the connection any more and dropped it (as it is prone to doing; such policy makes some online games unplayable), but I've played long turns with thinking in the past and haven't had a problem with the game suddenly deciding I resigned. Reconnected, maybe, but certainly not timed out like that.
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I had a similar situation except I did not take a long time for a turn. It just said I resigned but I did not. I rushed to the forums and registered so I could reply to this thread!
Here's the game log as well:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201206/11/game-20120611-194257-3ef3dec8.html
I thought my opponent was playing "strangely" so I had the thought that I was somehow "hacked" into resigning (not sure what that means). But most probably not.
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I had a similar situation, except it was my opponents turn. I tried refreshing, hitting info, nothing worked. And I "resigned". Do not have a game log, it just happened today.
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Ok. Now I was playing with my wife (yes, we are on the same couch playing online Dominion! :) ) and she said that it popped up that I was taking a long time to play... while I was playing. That probably eliminates my ISP as the culprit since we are obviously using the same connection. Not sure what other information I could provide that would be helpful.
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Ok. Now I was playing with my wife (yes, we are on the same couch playing online Dominion! :) ) and she said that it popped up that I was taking a long time to play... while I was playing. That probably eliminates my ISP as the culprit since we are obviously using the same connection. Not sure what other information I could provide that would be helpful.
My wife and I were playing with a friend the other night and were getting the same thing. She was new to the game and, on her first few turns, did set off the usual "make this player resign" button, but after that the message popped up almost immediately during her turns.
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My wife and I were playing with a friend the other night and were getting the same thing. She was new to the game and, on her first few turns, did set off the usual "make this player resign" button, but after that the message popped up almost immediately during her turns.
It seems this may be a feature, designed to prevent miscreant opponents from keeping a game alive indefinitely without making any progress. I don't recall an announcement about it though.
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Also having this issue.
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Earlier today, I forced a player to resign (they WERE taking a while, but not long enough).
After I hit the button, they made an action and finished their turn.
On my turn, I went through everything as normal.
At the end of the turn, I got the "You Win!" message, saying they had resigned...I think he also said "gg" after that, weirdness all around...
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This also happened to me yesterday *after I had just emptied the third stack and would have won with that but just before I could click away a second buy*! :( >:(
(My turn wasn't long, though.)
Veeeery annoying! >:( It was a close game and I was very glad to actually win it in the end only to have to stare at the screen saying I had timed out, resigned and lost just very short after buying the Estate! (It sucked especially because I was already having a bad day in the games before that.)
Here's a screenshot (click to enlarge):
(http://uppix.com/t-Kicked_out4fd9f46c00103494.jpg) (http://uppix.com/s-Kicked_out4fd9f46c00103494-jpg.htm)
Here's the log:
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120613-105428-0ef4f6aa.html
The screenshot actually proves that I didn't really time out by forgetting to make the second buy:
In the chat part that is cut off before the ggs my opponent and I had already discussed the game both assuming that I had won (that's what I later refer to).
On 19:53 I buy the last Estate and both of us gg. On 19:54 the game says I timed out and resigned and my opponent leaves wordlessly.
So even if I should have forgotten to click away the second buy (which I don't believe because it is so second nature but can't totally rule out), that one minute would never have been enough to legitimately time me out (there was definitely no instance of me taking enough time for my opponent to receive a "make resign offer" before in the game in case that matters).
Is there a way to correct the game result afterwards in an unfair case as clear as this? I really feel cheated out of my legitimate victory here (and even worse into an illegitimate loss)...
(The fact that my opponent left wordlessly without even commenting although I was still talking to him didn't seem appropriate to me at all, either - maybe he even got a "make resign offer" and shamefully accepted it? He didn't answer when I asked him what was going on later in the lobby.)
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Just had the option to do this to an opponent.
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Just had the option to do this to an opponent.
To do what, exactly? To make him resign shortly after he was still doing things? Can you specify some more circumstances?
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Just had the option to do this to an opponent.
To do what, exactly? To make him resign shortly after he was still doing things? Can you specify some more circumstances?
Yes, basically that exactly. It just let me resign him for a few seconds in the middle of his turn. Or at least the thing popped up - don't know whether it would actually have resigned him.
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Twice in the last few days (including in a tournament game) my opponent told me it gave him the option to make me resign.
Both times I was taking a long turn. On one there was no inactivity (just going through scrying pool or something). In the second I was taking some time to calculate a decision, but no more than 30 seconds or less.
I think something is timing out games with long turns... Hopefully you have polite opponents who don't log you out.,,
Ed
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This happened to me in a game today featuring outpost and carts
Ographers. I had option to resign my opponent even though they were clearly doing something.
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I think something is timing out games with long turns...
I don't think it has much to do with a long turn. Both in my (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2894.msg50705#msg50705)and in pgunsul's case (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2894.msg49481#msg49481) it was no long turn by any means as you can see from the linked logs (and my screenshot).
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My wife just had the option to resign me again during a long turn this time. This is a long shot, but does the browser matter? I have been using Google Chrome on Ubuntu. However, my wife uses IE on Windows and it has never given me the option to resign her.
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This is a long shot, but does the browser matter? I have been using Google Chrome on Ubuntu.
I have been using Chrome on Windows XP.
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Had it happen to me on Firefox, Windows 7. Don't think this is the issue.
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I have written dougz a message and gave him a link to this thread in case he missed it.
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Ok. Now I was playing with my wife (yes, we are on the same couch playing online Dominion! :) ) and she said that it popped up that I was taking a long time to play... while I was playing. That probably eliminates my ISP as the culprit since we are obviously using the same connection. Not sure what other information I could provide that would be helpful.
My wife and I were playing with a friend the other night and were getting the same thing. She was new to the game and, on her first few turns, did set off the usual "make this player resign" button, but after that the message popped up almost immediately during her turns.
I'm also experiencing this with a new player.
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I just got an offer to make a player resign. I think it was during the decision process of a Masquerade, but in any case he wasn't taking a too long time at all.
I did *not* click the prompt but got a message that he resigned anyway! It was a threesome, but I asked the third player and he said he didn't even see a prompt and certainly didn't click it. The guy who resigned was loosing the game (would quite certainly have ended up on third place anyway), so I can't be sure he didn't actually resign by himself, but in that case I shouldn't have gotten a prompt to make him resign without him taking a long time.
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Yesterday, I had yet another instance of an opponent being illegitimately resigned from a game!
It was a three player game and happened during his decision time to discard to the Militia of the third player. He didn't take any noteworthy time, but the third player immediately clicked the appearing prompt to resign him. (He told me that when I asked him about it. When I criticized him for doing so, he said he didn't realize the guy hadn't taken much time and that it had become second nature to him to make people resign as soon as the prompt comes up.)
I have taken a screenshot which I can provide in case the details are important for finding the bug.
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Had this happen to me yesterday for the first time too. My opponent was taking long Scrying Pool turns while I was mostly doing ~3 click turns. After a few turns of this, I got the option of resigning him ~2 seconds into his turn (he was constantly active and playing fast, his turns still took a long time since that's Scrying Pool for you).
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For reference, I don't think my opponents' turns were really being particularly long when I got my option. I'm more certain that the turn I got the option in wasn't a very long one. I'm most certain that it hadn't been very long since his prior action.
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For reference, I don't think my opponents' turns were really being particularly long when I got my option.
It indeed doesn't look like turn length has much to do with the problem.
The game logs of the three games I reported here (the one in which I was resigned and two in which I got an illegitimate prompt to resign an opponent) show that in neither of them, it happened during long turns.
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For reference, I don't think my opponents' turns were really being particularly long when I got my option.
It indeed doesn't look like turn length has much to do with the problem.
The game logs of the three games I reported here (the one in which I was resigned and two in which I got an illegitimate prompt to resign an opponent) show that in neither of them, it happened during long turns.
Well, there's two ways that a turn can be long. One is in terms of lots of actions/cards going down. The other is in terms of time. Logs show only the former, not the latter.
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I have experienced several new instances of being offered to resign a player after only seconds of inactivity in the last days.
I have taken a couple of screenshots which I can provide if they are helpful to find the problem.
This has become a massive problem in my opinion which considerably decreases the fun on Isotropic! :'(
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This has become a massive problem in my opinion which considerably decreases the fun on Isotropic! :'(
Lets not get carried away. If you're playing with friendly people (and by and far the people I play with are), they won't force you to resign. Any time its popped for me, I've notified my opponent, and let it go.
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I did see it also several times over last week, but because the accuse / offering did show up in seconds distance to last move i did not use it. Today that phenomen hit me and sadly i got kicked out immediatly.
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Just now had a game where I KC'd a Possession and while I was possessing, the possessed player made me resign. He felt pretty good about himself :-\
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This has become a massive problem in my opinion which considerably decreases the fun on Isotropic! :'(
Lets not get carried away. If you're playing with friendly people (and by and far the people I play with are), they won't force you to resign. Any time its popped for me, I've notified my opponent, and let it go.
The majority here are certainly friendly people, but some are not and quite a few people have not been so lucky as you that the bug didn't already have game-ending consequences for them so far.
And even if in only one out of 10-20 games someone is illegitimately resigned (be it me or an opponent by another oppent as I currently often play with 3 or 4 players), this considerably decreases my fun on Isotropic, that much is certain. Yes, I play the game with a somewhat competitive attitude and when I win I want a win and not a loss for the leaderboard. (It's bad enough that sometimes connection problems get in the way of that as well.) And when I don't deserve the win, I don't want an opponent to be resigned.
So I don't think I am getting carried away, I am merely saying that I regard it as a massive problem if instead of winning a game, your malicious or only careless opponent can resign you - even if it happens only occasionally.
And unfortunately my impression is that it get worse and resign prompts are offered more offen.
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I've seen it happen a total of once, briefly, a week ago.
I play a lot; 40 games a day or so.
How much are you playing, since you've seen it this many times, Varsinor? I feel like you must be doing something to trigger it somehow.
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How much are you playing, since you've seen it this many times, Varsinor?
I guess I have played about 150-160 games since I first noticed it on June 13.
I have had most of the occurences in my last 60 or so games, so my impression is it has gotten worse in the last week.
I feel like you must be doing something to trigger it somehow.
Possible, of course - and if so, I'd really like to know how to avoid it... 8)
I am playing on a fairly slow netbook, but the internet connection should be good. Maybe there is some buggy time limit that is triggered whenever a slow computer needs a couple of seconds to process something? It must be new though, because I didn't have any problems with it in my more than 1500 games before that on the same netbook.
And it was only once that I was resigned myself (don't know if there were more cases an opponent could have resigned me). In most of the cases I experienced I got resign prompts for others. It would be a weird bug indeed if using a slow computer on my side causes resign prompts for others...
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I've seen this bug mostly in 3p games. Could this have anything to do with it?
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I've seen this bug mostly in 3p games. Could this have anything to do with it?
I have only seen it in 2p. Prolly cause I mostly play 2p.
I think a big issue is that we can't find much pattern here.
Conspiracy theory: dougz put it in on purpose, at the behest of... someone, so that people won't complain so much when Iso is replaced ;)
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I've seen this bug mostly in 3p games.
Now that you mention it: I've definitely seen it mostly in 3p as well. (At about the time since which I've seen it considerably more I have switched to playing 3p and 4p a lot more than before.)
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Hello I registered on this site just to say that I had this happen to me earlier today. I feel that Scrying Pool is no longer a strategy, it's a risk.
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Happened to me yesterday. I was in the middle of a long turn playing a massive amount of actions, and my computer died. It only took 2 min to boot up (I was timing myself in panic!) so I figured I'd be ok, but I was booted by the time I got back...
I've also been booted because my browser locked up and didn't update the other player's turn, so I was waiting to boot them, then suddenly, I was resigned from the game
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that happened to me not so long ago, too