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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2015, 11:06:20 am »

How is this scenario any more likely for scum than it is for town ?
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2015, 11:08:46 am »

Ninja'd by littleB!  :) Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?
Not at all. :(
That's OK! A small game like this is a good way to learn the ropes.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2015, 11:11:29 am »

How is this scenario any more likely for scum than it is for town ?
Hm. I'm on mobile now. What I said was my initial, gut reaction to your claim when I first read it. How likely is it for scum vs Town to claim it? I'm not sure, but I'll be looking at it from both perspectives more in depth when I'm on a computer and can use more than my thumbs to type.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2015, 11:15:13 am »

Ninja'd by littleB!  :) Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?
Not at all. :(

Welcome !

Here's a way to get you into the game : do you think I'm telling the truth ?

PPE : Hydrad, yeah, that's true. By crowdsourcing I don't necessarily mean to say I'm going to let town pick who I should protect, but it might interact in interesting ways with other PRs for example. Not that they should claim because I did, but just knowing it exists could be useful for them, and I don't think it's particularly useful for scum, despite making me a kill target, but I already kind of am by default so whatever.

pit : yeah, what I mean is wanting towncred is completely null.
Ninja'd by littleB!  :) Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?
Not at all. :(

Welcome !

Here's a way to get you into the game : do you think I'm telling the truth ?

PPE : Hydrad, yeah, that's true. By crowdsourcing I don't necessarily mean to say I'm going to let town pick who I should protect, but it might interact in interesting ways with other PRs for example. Not that they should claim because I did, but just knowing it exists could be useful for them, and I don't think it's particularly useful for scum, despite making me a kill target, but I already kind of am by default so whatever.

pit : yeah, what I mean is wanting towncred is completely null.
If I think you're telling the truth about having a protecting ability?
Well.. I think you're telling the truth and I want to ask you out to protect me <3
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2015, 11:16:58 am »

Take this hypothetical: Scum has this power, but realizes there's very little utility for them as using it as their partner totally outs themselves if that player is lynched. So instead of keeping quiet about it, they claim it to try and gain some towncred. I believe that that is what is happening here. Especially because it was claimed at the very beginning of the day.

Wouldn't scum just keep quiet about it and then protect themselves during LyLo if they get that far? I mean, we have no way of confirming that Teproc is telling the truth about there being no restrictions, but if he is, then to me it sounds like that would be the best use of the power. And I also think that silver wouldn't give scum a power like that.

To me, this Teproc case of yours feels insincere.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2015, 02:49:48 pm »

poke, why is nobody saying anything :(
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2015, 03:11:16 pm »

Well, you said you believed my role, but do you believe I'm town ? My role is relatively verifiably so I think almost everyone is going to believe that, but I'm more interested in what you think of my alignment.

Or anyone else's alignment for that matter. What do you think fo Awaclus' and Archetype's reactions ?
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2015, 03:24:27 pm »

poke, why is nobody saying anything :(

Sometimes the game dies down. Especially on weekends. But ya I agree that we need to keep posting! (even if I'm one of the lesser posters)

As for my views on Teproc... I think towny right now.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2015, 03:25:38 pm »

Hai everyone!

Vote: Hydrad. Major scumslip.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2015, 03:26:26 pm »

Hey Jimmmmm. What ?
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2015, 03:29:05 pm »

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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2015, 03:53:45 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

Teproc (2): Pit, Archetype
Pit (1): A Drowned Kernel
Archetype (1): Awaclus
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (5): Teproc, Hydrad, CalignoBot, littleB

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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2015, 04:05:25 pm »

Awaklus acts way to innocent imo
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2015, 04:08:41 pm »

Awaklus acts way to innocent imo
Vote: Awaclus

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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2015, 04:09:48 pm »

How so ?

Also, you need to bold votes for them to be counted.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2015, 04:19:46 pm »

Because he's like "Well for a scum it would be pretty stupid to tell his abilitys right away *cough cough*"
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2015, 04:56:32 pm »

Pit, if your vote wasn't serious, why are you keeping it there?
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2015, 05:50:03 pm »

Is it worth testing Teproc's claim?
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2015, 06:02:24 pm »

Is it worth testing Teproc's claim?

I don't see why not. But I think we can wait until we are about to lynch someone and then use it.

But at the same time I see 0 reason that Teproc would be lying as town or scum about this. So whatever alignment he is I believe his claim.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2015, 06:03:28 pm »

For the sake of the argument, I'm going to assume that the power that Teproc claims is true. I don't want to waste time verifying it and A) I don't think Teproc would come up with that as a fakeclaim (not that you're not a good player!) and B) It's a role crazy enough for silverspawn to include. So, from that, there's two alignments the role could belong to: Town/Scum.

Town:

If I have this power, the use is to stop lynches I feel aren't going to land on scum. However, I have to out myself as a PR to do that. Is it worth it? Probably not. It's like a very, very weak Governor, which is already a weak power because if that's who the majority of people want to lynch, it's going to happen anyway. So should I use my power? No, probably not unless I want to confirm myself. Do I claim it? Well, since you're never going to use it, you're basically claiming Vanilla. Which is bad. So, no. I wouldn't claim it.

Scum:

If I have this power, I'm going to be using it to stop my partner's lynch. However, if the lynch goes through despite adding some love, I'll look super scummy. I could use it on a Townie to hopefully stop their lynch and then when I get lynched people think that that's my partner who I was trying to save. Also, the word "protect" is pretty Towny sounding as well. But, do I claim it? I think, yes. At least it's a nice way to grab Towncred. Though if I were scum I'd probably ditch the power and fakeclaim something else.

From a setup perspective, an IC is fairly powerful in a 9 player game. That drops the lynch pool for everyone but him to 7 players with at least 2 likely being correct lynches. So it only makes sense that the Town would be given very weak additional powers, if any.

His reasoning for claiming, as I (and Hydrad a bit earlier) pointed out, doesn't make much sense. The power becomes irrelevant when groupthink already decides who lives and dies for the day. So, he's basically claiming Vanilla. He also states that it could interact with other powers, but that shouldn't determine whether or not you claim. Because if you think your power DOES help another power, you would not want to risk being nightkilled and thus not claim in the first place. So, the logic for Teproc's claim falls flat and just reads as an attempt to gain towncred. But I won't give his claim any. I think Teproc is a better Town player than one who just outright claims his power. So, I'll be leaving my vote on him.

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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2015, 06:04:34 pm »

Is it worth testing Teproc's claim?

I'm not sure I see what info we gain from it, and it would waste time and clog up the thread.

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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2015, 06:06:42 pm »

Reads ATM:

Hydrad - Towny. I agree with a lot of what he's saying, but think he's coming to the wrong conclusions.
littleB - Towny. Doesn't seem like ultra-nervous-first-time-scum
Jimmmmm - Scummy. Asking to test Teproc's power seems unnecessary. So what if it is real? We'll know if he uses it anyway.

Null on everyone else.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2015, 06:08:03 pm »

I think that it makes sense that Teproc claimed his power as town. I wouldn't know what to do with that power, and claiming it doesn't seem to hurt anything- I don't think it's a PR that scum is going to prioritize NK'ing. And I don't think deliberately trying to seem towny is actually all that scummy.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2015, 06:08:42 pm »

Reads ATM:

Hydrad - Towny. I agree with a lot of what he's saying, but think he's coming to the wrong conclusions.
littleB - Towny. Doesn't seem like ultra-nervous-first-time-scum
Jimmmmm - Scummy. Asking to test Teproc's power seems unnecessary. So what if it is real? We'll know if he uses it anyway.

Null on everyone else.
Well, not Teproc. But that's a given.
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Re: M57: Blarnia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2015, 06:11:45 pm »

I'm trying to figure out what to make of Archetype here. I'm thinking possibly scummy. He's posting a lot, gives a reads list right away, is taking a stance that is noticeable but not too aggressive.

Yeah, I like vote: archetype
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