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Dominion => Dominion Online at Shuffle iT => Dominion General Discussion => Dominion Isotropic => Topic started by: GendoIkari on January 25, 2012, 09:02:20 am
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Finally, after 757 games, I'm a level 30!! :D Thank you all to people on the board who have taught me so much, as well as played hard-fought matches with me.
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(http://i.qkme.me/35sykc.jpg)
Feels bad man. :-[ :'( :-[ :'(
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Good work Gendo! I've felt pretty good every time I've hit a cool milestone (which for me were level 40, level 45, #1 on the leaderboard) too, the last one especially, that was pretty special to me.
On an unrelated note, today is day #5 (or 6?) of me being first on the Leaderboard :) Well, I was first on that 30 day leaderboard for a while too I think, but that doesn't count.
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I would also like to thank you all for wonderful articles and great games!
On the last Saturday I was at my very first IRL Dominion tournament and I won all 5 rounds, defeating even the reigning champion of my country (Czech Republic)!
I mean...level 30 was nice for me, but see that I can now beat players IRL that I couldn't before is AWESOME!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you all! :)
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I also finally reached Level 30 the other day! Was my goal before Isotropic goes down. Sadly, I've dropped to 29 since, but that's life.
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Congrats!
I've only just started my climb towards lvl 20, myself.
Is there a hard date when Iso will be taken down? I only know it's going to be taken down because of threads like this and others where it is mentioned in passing ...
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Is there a hard date when Iso will be taken down?
No.
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Congrats! I kinda wanted to do this when I hit 30 originally.
I've fluctuated up and down since peaking at level 32 (I may have hit higher, but I forget). However, I think I play a lot better—or at least have a greater understanding of the game—(as a level 28) than when I was ranked that highly. My play style has changed drastically since then, though. Primarily because I had some epiphanies regarding end game strategies, and engine building, but the learning process often involves trying out new things and then losing with them, which dropped my level significantly. When I want it I still have a strong big money game (which is what got me to 32 originally), but rounding myself out and learning how to switch between strategies and gauge when engines will beat big money and vice versa is more fun, and I think more useful to developing myself as a player overall.
Edit: I guess the advice I'm giving is keep yourself open to learning and don't worry too much about protecting your level. In the end it's just a number (and besides these numbers will be wiped and we'll all be starting from scratch soon anyways)
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Congrats!
I think the community here has done an excellent job of raising everyone's level of play, and as a result, has made playing on isotropic even more fun!
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Speaking of attention whoring, has there ever been a (non-cheating) level 48 on isotropic? I can't remember seeing one, and I've looked at the leaderboard on most days for the last 10 months.
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Well, I don't think the guy who almost exclusively played low level players was technically cheating, but I don't remember his name or how high he was in ranking.
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Speaking of attention whoring, has there ever been a (non-cheating) level 48 on isotropic? I can't remember seeing one, and I've looked at the leaderboard on most days for the last 10 months.
yup. jonts26 did it back in november (http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-11-19.html). he was at 48 for four days just before doug changed the leaderboard for a few weeks.
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Anyways, it's still a pretty strong feat to reach 48. Keep it up!
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Speaking of attention whoring, has there ever been a (non-cheating) level 48 on isotropic? I can't remember seeing one, and I've looked at the leaderboard on most days for the last 10 months.
yup. jonts26 did it back in november (http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-11-19.html). he was at 48 for four days just before doug changed the leaderboard for a few weeks.
Rats! Here I was hoping I might be breaking a record soon. Guess lvl 50 is a cooler goal anyway :)
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Is there a theoretical (or actual) upper bound to a level, based on the mathematics in the formula? (Not that I have ANY hope of getting there).
Probably there it can't get higher than the $MAX_DOUBLE of the machine it's calculated...
It should just get (faster than) exponentially hard to climb up the levels, because it's modelled as a Gaussian with mean 25 and variance in a way that 99.8% lie below 50. So if you want to get above, you either need more people in the system, so that it is more likely for one of them to actually get so high, or you must play really really often and win really really really often to get high.
Edit: And the 50 is the actual skill, not the very very conservative estimate of the 99.8%-quantile.
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Speaking of attention whoring, has there ever been a (non-cheating) level 48 on isotropic? I can't remember seeing one, and I've looked at the leaderboard on most days for the last 10 months.
yup. jonts26 did it back in november (http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-11-19.html). he was at 48 for four days just before doug changed the leaderboard for a few weeks.
Rats! Here I was hoping I might be breaking a record soon. Guess lvl 50 is a cooler goal anyway :)
My highest was on Nov 22. Level 48.965. I was really hoping to hit 49. Then I had a bad day.
http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-11-22.html
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Not bad at all jonts, not bad at all :)
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Speaking of attention whoring, has there ever been a (non-cheating) level 48 on isotropic? I can't remember seeing one, and I've looked at the leaderboard on most days for the last 10 months.
yup. jonts26 did it back in november (http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-11-19.html). he was at 48 for four days just before doug changed the leaderboard for a few weeks.
Wait...are you saying that I can look at the old leaderboards??? THAT IS SO COOL!!!
BtW: While exploring this, I ran into a level 49 - http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-10-19.html It might be a cheat though...
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Wait...are you saying that I can look at the old leaderboards??? THAT IS SO COOL!!!
BtW: While exploring this, I ran into a level 49 - http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-10-19.html It might be a cheat though...
Yeah, that's one of the cheats. Only played Masq/Goons/KC boards. And once he got the rank, he only played one game a week against a fake account.
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Speaking of attention whoring, has there ever been a (non-cheating) level 48 on isotropic? I can't remember seeing one, and I've looked at the leaderboard on most days for the last 10 months.
yup. jonts26 did it back in november (http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-11-19.html). he was at 48 for four days just before doug changed the leaderboard for a few weeks.
Wait...are you saying that I can look at the old leaderboards??? THAT IS SO COOL!!!
BtW: While exploring this, I ran into a level 49 - http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-10-19.html It might be a cheat though...
Oh Paralyzed.
Currently only games with random kingdoms count towards the leaderboard. This wasn't always so. Paralyzed used the same KC/Goons/Masquerade pin against unsuspecting opponents to get an absurdly high win rate. So yeah, he was gaming the leaderboard pretty heavily.
EDIT: ninj'd
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Cool. I didn't know the old leaderboards were kept. I got to lvl 47 and I think with the least number of games played:
http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2012-01-19.html
Then WW started posting his vids and the word on Big Money dominating a huge percentage of games was out... (just kidding...maybe...)
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Ugh, yeah. I'm having a dreadful week, but at least some of it is that people are a lot better now......
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I can't figure out how to view older versions of the leaderboard. Could someone help me out? I would love to see my all time high which must have been sometime during late 2010 or early 2011.
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levels...pfff...mean skill is the thing guys, level is for noobs :-)
Unlucky, that I didnt reach the 60,0 mark some time ago, only got to 59,7 (before my match against RisingJaguar).
Some weeks ago Dekker had a skill over 60, but +-23 deviation :D
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48.100, I'm coming for you jonts!
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I can't figure out how to view older versions of the leaderboard. Could someone help me out? I would love to see my all time high which must have been sometime during late 2010 or early 2011.
You just change the date in the link that is here ;)
levels...pfff...mean skill is the thing guys, level is for noobs :-)
Unlucky, that I didnt reach the 60,0 mark some time ago, only got to 59,7 (before my match against RisingJaguar).
Some weeks ago Dekker had a skill over 60, but +-23 deviation :D
I totally agree - better player has a better skill. The fact that he doesn't play so much as others doesn't really matter...but I don't know, Elo's system has some really big problems which TrueSkill maybe doesn't, so maybe TS is better...
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I can't figure out how to view older versions of the leaderboard. Could someone help me out? I would love to see my all time high which must have been sometime during late 2010 or early 2011.
I found this page:
http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/
Unfortunately it only seems to go back to last March.
As an aside, look at the filesizes growing as the game grows in popularity!
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48.100, I'm coming for you jonts!
Bring it.
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1-5 so far today. It might be a while :(
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Man, do I have a ong way to go ... but I finally hit 50% win rate yesterday!
2 players 414-414-11 1.000
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Today I made level 20! Look out world!
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I think I might hit Level 30 soon, the way I'm playing. I'm currently 35.
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Is this an appropriate place to brag that DS hit 1.5M views this morning? Our first half-million views came after ~8 months; the next half-million took ~4 months, and this half million took ~2 months. Thank you Dominion Christmas presents.
f.DS is approaching 500,000 views per month, but unlike the main site, this counts our own visits, so that eliminates, like, 499,000 of those.
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Yeah, I like to tune in. After exactly 777 games (20 games more than the OP) I finally reached Level 30 too yesterday.
Thank you all for wonderful advices and excellent articles that helped me a lot to improve my playing skills.
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Finally reached level 40. Next step...level 41, I suppose
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Finally reached level 40. Next step...level 41, I suppose
If you match my play history,k you're more likely to fall back to 37/38.
On the mini sub topic of leaderboard gaming history, back before what I would consider to be the current legit champions (Fabian / jonts / allfail / WanderingWinder / -Stef- (congrats today btw)) most of whom I have played and am convinced that they play at a higher level than I do, there were a few perchers who's play habits looked suspect. Larry was up there for a while, but there weren't many examples of him playing high level opponents. Some game logs looked suspicious. Then tat showed up, and was also someone it was very tough to get a match against. There were some folks who always played colonies.
At this point I had a "theory" that the top of the leaderboard wasn't appropriately reflecting true player skill, and since it was impossible for me to play these top players, I decided to see if I could do the same thing. Unfortunately for me, the username "theory" was already taken, so I entered as "conjecture". (Added bonus - everyone thought I was him!)
The theory was:
- Selection of certain cards can make the game more or less skill based. (E.g. a player who just buys 2 treasure maps and hits them on reshuffle 3, will probably win ~30% of the time, regardless of whatever the isotropic level difference rating formula says the true probability should be)
- There is a big gap in skill once players learn about big money.
So I said, I'll target low level players (ones who have actually played a decent # of games, vs. the players with a skill rating of 37 +/- 25), and I'll constrain my cards to avoid things that I considered to be "lucky".
This was basically: No potion cards, no black market, no tournament, and no treasure map.
I required colonies, because it makes the the game longer in general (avg. 2 turns), and I perceive that to reward skill over luck. I've heard counter arguments that the race to platinum makes the game swingy etc. I don't know who is right, this was just my thinking.
It took more games than I anticipated, and I tried to ensure that I was polite to the players I was playing with, chatting, discussing strategy after the game was over etc., and I made it as high as #2 (i think).
Unfortunately, Paralyzed had the same general idea at the same time, and took it a step further, explicitly selecting a kingdom in which if you didn't know what to do, you were almost certainly going to lose.
He passed me on 9/3: http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2011-09-03.html
I already felt somewhat dirty about "cheating", and I didn't want to jump down to that level, so I retired the name, emailed Doug Z. to let him know what I had done, and suggested some possible ways that he might address ways in which leaderboard gaming was going on. (Since I didn't view conjecture as playing with more skill than Captain_Frisk)
We had a brief email exchange, and I'm not sure to what extent I influenced these changes, or if it was just Paralyzed's ridiculous ranking (65 +/- 15!) that finally pushed him over the edge to try some different variants.
On the plus side, I that the leaderboard as it stands now feels right to me. I have losing records against most of the people at the top that I've played, and I don't have the sense that any of them are ducking games etc. I've actually played against all of the top 10, and have no doubts that they are better than me. I suffer from FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome) way too much to be competitive.
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I agree that the current state of the leaderboard is great, and I'm really happy there are no cheaters or "cheaters" (depending on how you want to define the word I guess) up there.
Since this was bumped, I might as well report that I didn't reach jonts' rating record before having a few horrible days and dropping down to 47 :( I got to 48.777, which is pretty close. grrrrr. Next time!
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Ha... I think I am also a sufferer of FPS. On thread topic, I have been making it to lv 30 over and over for some time now. My rating just hovers from about 27-31 these days.
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I agree that the current state of the leaderboard is great, and I'm really happy there are no cheaters or "cheaters" (depending on how you want to define the word I guess) up there.
Since this was bumped, I might as well report that I didn't reach jonts' rating record before having a few horrible days and dropping down to 47 :( I got to 48.777, which is pretty close. grrrrr. Next time!
On the subject of cheating, I'd say that actual cheating would either be through hacking (to my knowledge never successfully executed), or by having people throw games.
Paralyzed's approach is a close second. It is clearly legal to do that, but I'd say its against the spirit of the leaderboard as a measure of player skill.
Assuming that neither tat or Larry had people throwing games, its really hard to call it true cheating... but avoiding high ranked players is certainly poor sportsmanship.
I really hope that commercial dominion maintains this community...
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Finally reached level 40. Next step...level 41, I suppose
If you match my play history,k you're more likely to fall back to 37/38.
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I have no idea what this means.
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Frisk, I don't have all the details on either of those players, and it probably shouldn't be discussed like this anyway, but I'm decently sure "avoiding high ranked players" was not the extent of their.. strategy.
But yeah, while there certainly are degrees of crap (and some might not even call the whitest shades "crap" at all), I don't recognize anyone as a top player who intentionally tries to game the system, and I'm glad that (to my knowledge) players like that aren't active on (the top of) isotropic any more.
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Finally reached level 40. Next step...level 41, I suppose
If you match my play history,k you're more likely to fall back to 37/38.
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I have no idea what this means.
That after 40, there might be 37/38 waiting for you instead of 41, I think.
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Oh, I see. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if I dropped down a rank, since they seem to fluctuate based on how off your day was (or how lucky you were). Still, the general trend has been up. Hell, at the start of the year I was under level 30.
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Oh, I see. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if I dropped down a rank, since they seem to fluctuate based on how off your day was (or how lucky you were). Still, the general trend has been up. Hell, at the start of the year I was under level 30.
Yeah, I got up to 32 after I made this thread, but have gone back to 31 since.
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After reaching level 25, I have finally managed to drop back down to level 20! I did it!
:(
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Now that everyone's bragging... it took me ~600 games to get to 50% (>1 average win point); today (after 747 games) I got to 50% as P2 :) [table position 2 178-173-12 1.014]
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Finally I got round to playing online!
I think I am holding a record whose category I just made up!
I am the highest placed player with the smallest number of games.
As in, no one is placed higher than me and played less games!
Level 11, 12 games.
i think if I had not lost one game I could have had a higher level than gamesplayed! Doh
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Oh, I see. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if I dropped down a rank, since they seem to fluctuate based on how off your day was (or how lucky you were). Still, the general trend has been up. Hell, at the start of the year I was under level 30.
Yeah, I got up to 32 after I made this thread, but have gone back to 31 since.
And now back down to 30. :(
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Possible Karma kicking in for the attention whoring? Heh
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Back up to 30 after a month-long dip in the 20s!
(The first time I hit 30 this thread didn't exist yet, so I figured I'd better get my attention-whoring in when I can.)
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I can't seem to get above lvl 36. :(
But today I won some matches I could've easily lost, so not all's lost!
Dumped 10 Curses on a guy with 2 Familiars in very few turns (ty Chancellor and Minion) and nearly lost to his 6-4 Minion split, ugh.
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Possible Karma kicking in for the attention whoring? Heh
lol. Back up to 32 now!
If Iso goes down soon; I'll be happy ending at level 32.
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Not that impressive when matched against the exploits of jonts26, Fabian, and painted_cow, but something I really wanted to do before isotropic fades into the mists of time:
http://screencast.com/t/hhiM3Tej
Just barely made it, mostly on the strength of a lucky 7-0 day three days ago. I guess this means I should stop making excuses about being unqualified to finish the "Making it to Level 40" series of articles.
Big thanks to everyone in the community for sharing their wisdom and knowledge, especially Geronimoo/rspeer (simulators), rrenaud (councilroom), and theory (starting ds.com in the first place)!
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I've made the lvl 30 mark :) dropped two levels being idle since then, but still!
It's weird idea that I'd already been playing Dominion for over a year when I started here. I have learned so much in the last couple of months, and getting better made me appreciate the game even more than I already did. Lots of fun, great community!
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Finally hit Level 20. I'm coming for you top guys! Slowly but surely!
... I wonder how long until level 30 now?
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Ha! I got level 30!
I'll drop down soon because of idleness, but I touched it.
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unless i am mistaken, Obi Wan Bonogi is the first (legitimate) player to hit level 49. his level of 49.317 beats out jonts26 for the unofficial honor of having the highest level ever.
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Yup, congrats to Obi Wan, very impressive indeed. jonts and Obi Wan are the only people I've played where I feel I'm being consistently outplayed (seriously Bonogi owns my soul for some reason), so it seems only fitting they should hold the two highest ratings ever :) It obviously annoys me that I'm now only #3 on that list though :)
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Yup, congrats to Obi Wan, very impressive indeed. jonts and Obi Wan are the only people I've played where I feel I'm being consistently outplayed (seriously Bonogi owns my soul for some reason), so it seems only fitting they should hold the two highest ratings ever :) It obviously annoys me that I'm now only #3 on that list though :)
Indeed; Obi Wan has trounced me in all 4 of our games. I actually have a slight winning record against Jonts, though. :)
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Yup, congrats to Obi Wan, very impressive indeed. jonts and Obi Wan are the only people I've played where I feel I'm being consistently outplayed (seriously Bonogi owns my soul for some reason), so it seems only fitting they should hold the two highest ratings ever :) It obviously annoys me that I'm now only #3 on that list though :)
Indeed; Obi Wan has trounced me in all 4 of our games. I actually have a slight winning record against Jonts, though. :)
We can try to fix that if you'd like. :)
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Yup, congrats to Obi Wan, very impressive indeed. jonts and Obi Wan are the only people I've played where I feel I'm being consistently outplayed (seriously Bonogi owns my soul for some reason), so it seems only fitting they should hold the two highest ratings ever :) It obviously annoys me that I'm now only #3 on that list though :)
Indeed; Obi Wan has trounced me in all 4 of our games. I actually have a slight winning record against Jonts, though. :)
We can try to fix that if you'd like. :)
lol, I have little doubt that if we'd played more than 3 games, you'd come out ahead in the long run. I'm always up for a challenge though!
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Obi Wan seems really strong based on the games I played against him, a well-deserved achievement.
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unless i am mistaken, Obi Wan Bonogi is the first (legitimate) player to hit level 49. his level of 49.317 beats out jonts26 for the unofficial honor of having the highest level ever.
Wow that's cool. Crazy though because I still feel like I could play A LOT better. Where do you see the decimal expanded levels?
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It's just mean score minus variance. The level you see takes the floor of that number. Also, welcome to the forum!
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It's just mean score minus variance. The level you see takes the floor of that number. Also, welcome to the forum!
Wait - I thought it was mean minus triple the standard deviation?
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You're right. I wasn't precise in my terminology. I was using variance to mean the ±# that appears on the leaderboard. But of course that number is triple the standard deviation calculated from true skill. So 3 times the square root of variance to be precise.
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It's just mean score minus variance. The level you see takes the floor of that number. Also, welcome to the forum!
Thanks for the welcome. And I feel like I should have been able to figure that out ಠ_ಠ
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Ugh, went 5-14 yesterday to drop from 35 to 33. :(
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Ugh, went 5-14 yesterday to drop from 35 to 33. :(
Life is tough, man. Sorry to hear about your loss.
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Ugh, went 5-14 yesterday to drop from 35 to 33. :(
I played terribly yesterday and dropped from 42 to the last spot in 41. I can't go back to the 30s, man. I can't!!!
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Ugh, went 5-14 yesterday to drop from 35 to 33. :(
I played terribly yesterday and dropped from 42 to the last spot in 41. I can't go back to the 30s, man. I can't!!!
Oh, I also made my daily contribution to Obi Wan Bonogi's hugely high level :)
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Well, I'm only at around 1300 games played, but with my recent slump, it'll be a stretch to make lv. 30 by 1500 games. Maybe if I really improve a lot soon!
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I'm pretty proud because I've gone 4-0 today, a couple of which were against upper-30s players (I'm 27). It's a small sample size but I've been 18-4-1 the last three or so days! I went up a level to 27 today and unless I hit a real rough patch I think I should be 28 tomorrow, hoping to hit thirty in the next week or so! Almost 450 games and I've only been here about a month and a half.
So I'm really happy to be moving up! And yet, so afraid of the inevitable massacres that I will be victim of against the really strong players...
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Ugh, went 5-14 yesterday to drop from 35 to 33. :(
Life is tough, man. Sorry to hear about your loss.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/18825509.jpg)
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I was like level 36, didn't play for like 6 months. Came back, dropped to 19. Now I'm back up around 31 and rising!!! Watch out!!!!!
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Ugh, went 5-14 yesterday to drop from 35 to 33. :(
Life is tough, man. Sorry to hear about your loss.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/18825509.jpg
This is exactly what is happening to me right now. I'll fight hard to get to 35/36 only to go into a bad day and slide back to 33.
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Ugh, went 5-14 yesterday to drop from 35 to 33. :(
Life is tough, man. Sorry to hear about your loss.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/18825509.jpg
This is exactly what is happening to me right now. I'll fight hard to get to 35/36 only to go into a bad day and slide back to 33.
Even worse, happened 2 days in a row now. Back to level 32... I was 36 once. :( I'm pretty sure that I didn't play worse the last 2 days; likely just poor luck. Though I probably should have just quit after a few losses instead of insisting that I continue until I win! It's quite possible that I started playing worse due to losing several times in a row.
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Today, I have officially reached my goal: I am a 1%-er of Isotropic. I barely made it, and may not have it tomorrow, but, until then, all of you commoners are mere peons. The 99% is for chumps!
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Congrats. You'll be receiving your membership certificate soon with instruction on how to access the platinum lobby where we eat caviar and play with all the new cards too good for the commoners.
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50!
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Congrats. You'll be receiving your membership certificate soon with instruction on how to access the platinum lobby where we eat caviar and play with all the new cards too good for the commoners.
I'm still waiting....
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Levels are cool and everything.....but I'M UNDEFEATED on Isotropic. (in six games....against fellow low level players....playing well below optimally.)
EDIT: Andddddd I lost. But like in every case ever it was ALL due to BAD LUCK. He broke PPR when my only two terminals collided with green in my sleek, sexy Minion deck! Augghghhghghghghhghghgh! (Never mind what those terminals were doing in there in the first place, or that I played poorly again.)
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50!
Not as cool as 50... but 45!
I wish I could say I uncovered some insight, but I've just had a good week or so.
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50!
Not as cool as 50... but 45!
Not as cool as 45... but 40!
Took long enough too (1824 games exactly it seems).
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This thread is depressing now that I went up to level 36 for a while, and have since dropped all the way down to 28. :(
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N°1 again on the leaderboard... ladida... no veto, no bias anything, no game gaming whatsoever... (oh, come on, let me enjoy this)
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40!
That's Numberwang!
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Good job Geronimoo! I'm sure it is well deserved. =)
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I have been here before, but... It's kinda cool to get back to 40 with game #1000
And yes, I did play a single game yesterday, hoping desperately to win, so that I could make this happen ;)
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Finally back to level 40...
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i believe -Stef- has taken the honor of highest level achieved from Obi Wan Bonogi, hitting 52.379.
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After hitting level 39 three different times, I have finally broken level 40, and the top 40 in ranking! ;D
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-Stef- has broken the 60 skill barrier. Well done!
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I made level 40 for the first time today :)
It didn't magically grant me the ability to understand Ambassador, though; I feel deceived.
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Didn't painted_cow (and DG?) break 60 skill at some point too?
Where do you guys find the old leaderboards? I was curious what my own skill high rating was since I think I might be close to breaking it soon, but I'm not sure how to check it at the moment.
Edit: "Unlucky, that I didnt reach the 60,0 mark some time ago, only got to 59,7 (before my match against RisingJaguar)." Apparently not!
Edit2: Apparently the link to all old leaderboards was also posted earlier in this thread. Good detective work me! After a quick look it would seem I'm breaking my skill record as of tomorrow's leaderboard, so go me! Too bad I haven't been playing much lately and my variance is 9.3
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Level 25 today! Now off to 30!
Win against highest ranking opponent yet (level 41, rank 32) ;D ;D ;D
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201206/03/game-20120603-070413-3946f0d0.html
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Number one rank again (woo!). Except that as I've previously stated, skill is more important than level. So I still feel #3.
On the flip side, it is HARD to gain rating here. I went 18-9 yesterday, 13-8 against Marin, 5-1 against other people, and I went up less than three-quarters of a skill point. Yeesh.
This makes me thing that the uncertainty is being kept to small, and yeah, I know, I play a billion games, but I don't think it should probably EVER get to this kind of a point, objectively speaking....
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Number one rank again (woo!). Except that as I've previously stated, skill is more important than level. So I still feel #3.
On the flip side, it is HARD to gain rating here. I went 18-9 yesterday, 13-8 against Marin, 5-1 against other people, and I went up less than three-quarters of a skill point. Yeesh.
This makes me thing that the uncertainty is being kept to small, and yeah, I know, I play a billion games, but I don't think it should probably EVER get to this kind of a point, objectively speaking....
Woot, this means that I defeated the number one ranked player!! ;D
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LVL 40! Finally!
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First time in top ten on leaderboard and .06 away from 45 (for which I'd probably make another vanity post ;D)
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First time in the top 100 on the leaderboard! (Level 36)
Next mission: learn to time Duchy buys better, as that seems to be one of the biggest things holding me back.
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First time in the top 100 on the leaderboard! (Level 36)
Next mission: learn to time Duchy buys better, as that seems to be one of the biggest things holding me back.
Do you think you are buying too early or too late?
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First time in the top 100 on the leaderboard! (Level 36)
Next mission: learn to time Duchy buys better, as that seems to be one of the biggest things holding me back.
Do you think you are buying too early or too late?
Not sure, but probably too late. According to CR, it's my worst card so I'm likely on to something. In all honesty I'm just glad I was even able to recognize it as an issue. I think my strategy was poisoned a bit by the first people I played Dominion with, who told me only Provinces were worth buying, so I avoided Duchies for a long time.
My second-worst card is Scrying Pool, which also doesn't surprise me, but I think getting Duchies right is more important.
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First time in the top 100 on the leaderboard! (Level 36)
Next mission: learn to time Duchy buys better, as that seems to be one of the biggest things holding me back.
Do you think you are buying too early or too late?
Not sure, but probably too late. According to CR, it's my worst card so I'm likely on to something. In all honesty I'm just glad I was even able to recognize it as an issue. I think my strategy was poisoned a bit by the first people I played Dominion with, who told me only Provinces were worth buying, so I avoided Duchies for a long time.
My second-worst card is Scrying Pool, which also doesn't surprise me, but I think getting Duchies right is more important.
Don't look at the popular buys stats on duchies. Like provinces, curses, etc. they are all warped.
Frequently you buy duchies because you're losing and can't buy a province (because it will kill you, or PPR, or you can't afford it), so you buy a duchy instead.
When you win convincingly, you might not need to buy any duchies.
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Damnit!
I guess I'll never be 45 :'(
Level 46 53.642 ± 7.348 6 2388 O ▲ 2
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Damnit!
I guess I'll never be 45 :'(
Level 46 53.642 ± 7.348 6 2388 O ▲ 2
Just don't play for some day...
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I just played - Stef -; he was level 53. I think that's a first?
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Yup Stef has been crushing the old rank/skill records.
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The updates to this thread have set me perusing the leaderboard, and there's a very curious entry in the ascendency:
| 60.263 ± 19.815 | 42 | 1287 | kyrmanakos ▲ 3 |
Their recent game history (http://councilroom.com/search_result?p1_name=kyrmanakos) doesn't look like obvious leaderboard gaming, although it's a little odd.
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The updates to this thread have set me perusing the leaderboard, and there's a very curious entry in the ascendency:
| 60.263 ± 19.815 | 42 | 1287 | kyrmanakos ▲ 3 |
Their recent game history (http://councilroom.com/search_result?p1_name=kyrmanakos) doesn't look like obvious leaderboard gaming, although it's a little odd.
their last games are going 33/35 against one other player, who happens to have a very similar name
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Almost 5 months after I made this thread, and this weekend I have finally reached.... LEVEL 30!!! :D :D :D
Indeed, I'm crawling my way back out of my 36 down to 26 slump. :)
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Yup Stef has been crushing the old rank/skill records.
not to take anything at all away from -Stef-'s great play, but skill/rank will creep up over time due to the nature of TrueSkill's formulas.
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Yup Stef has been crushing the old rank/skill records.
not to take anything at all away from -Stef-'s great play, but skill/rank will creep up over time due to the nature of TrueSkill's formulas.
There's some truth to that. Looking back at the leaderboard from, say, last September, the highest ranked player (non-cheating division) is chwhite at level 43.
However, even as recently as April of this year, a level 46 would put you at #1. It's hard to argue that a jump of 7 levels at the top has all that much to do with TrueSkill creep.
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It's definitely a bit of both. It's mostly Stef being super good, but the rating inflation is a real thing overall, too.
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There's some truth to that. Looking back at the leaderboard from, say, last September, the highest ranked player (non-cheating division) is chwhite at level 43.
However, even as recently as April of this year, a level 46 would put you at #1. It's hard to argue that a jump of 7 levels at the top has all that much to do with TrueSkill creep.
your 7 level statement means nothing because it is entirely based on when you choose to sample. i could try to make the case that nothing has changed by saying jonts26 hit level 49 back in november and that -Stef- was down to 49 last week. that's not how things work.
true skill is based off of a gaussian distribution of skill, so levels should creep higher as more and more players join the system. and just because the leaderboard does not list a player, we cannot assume that the calculations simply ignore their presence. also, i don't think we know what changes, if any, dougz has made to the calculations over the past year.
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I made it to 39 somehow. Never thought I would.
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true skill is based off of a gaussian distribution of skill, so levels should creep higher as more and more players join the system.
Can you explain that statement? I can think of reasons why skill rating might experience inflation over time, but none that are sensitively dependent on the fact that the distributions are approximated by Gaussians.
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Can you explain that statement? I can think of reasons why skill rating might experience inflation over time, but none that are sensitively dependent on the fact that the distributions are approximated by Gaussians.
well first off, it is very possible that i am wrong on some or all of this. this is just how i have read the information available regarding TrueSkill (http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/trueskill/). basically, TrueSkill tries to fit all of the available players skill levels into a normal bell curve. that is, the majority of players will sit at some level x, with a tendency to see less and less of certain levels as you move further from that center point.
now, because of the massive influx of new players to Isotropic over time, you will see more total players pushing the boundaries on the edges of the bell curve. this can be evidenced practically by both the increase in peak level over time as well as by the increase of players falling into the level 35-40 and 40-45 buckets.
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I made it to 39 somehow. Never thought I would.
How high would you be if I wasn't there for you to beat up on?
(3-13-0 vs Eli_k)
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I made it to 39 somehow. Never thought I would.
Check it, Eli
Level 40
45.687 ± 5.543 47 7697 Eli_k ▲ 1
45.938 ± 5.919 50 2826 help im a bug ▲ 1
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Grats! Now you see where I am on days when I don't have you to beat up on. :-P
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I finally completed my New Year's resolution and reached level 40! W00t!
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Woooo! Level 40!
Time for a break for a few days. Once I realized this goal was in sight, about two weeks ago, I started playing more than I otherwise would to drive the uncertainty down. Now I'm just a wee bit exhausted. But I'm sure the siren call will bring me back before long.
CouncilRoom doesn't seem to be updating, but I think I'm under 1300 games. Anywhere else, they'd tell me that was a lot of games. ;)
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Just jumped 4 levels in 2 days (3 levels in one day) to hit level 40.
Still didn't manage to advance from my pod in the DS tournament yesterday though.
I think there is a meme there if I knew how to make it:
"Got to Level 40 on isotropic"
[image of crying woman]
"Still didn't qualify for National semifinals"
Or maybe the one with Leo:
"I'm going to have an intense day of play winning 75% of my games against high ranked opponents, driving down my variance and driving up my trueskill so that by tomorrow I will hit the elite that is the level 40 players on isotropic."
"Three wins and a loss doesn't get you into the semi finals for the National Qualifier."
[Squinty face]
Ed
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I think there is a meme there if I knew how to make it
Inception (http://www.quickmeme.com/search/?q=inception)
First world problems (http://www.quickmeme.com/search/?q=first%20world%20problems)
Wouldn't want to steal your thunder. Although I have to say I quite like the text versions.
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After a ridonkulous run yesterday (CR is still down, but maybe something like 13-1?), I managed to jump to level 30!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM in THE BEST 326 players....on the leaderboard....right now
Not sure I can make it much higher with the threat of FunSockets looming, but I think that's a pretty alright watermark for having sub-500 games played and being a total noob with only 4 IRL games when I started on iso.
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Well, my alt account (not gonna mention the name), got in the top 75! Woo! I've been getting better and better, but I still feel like there's a lot to learn... But I still say Smugglers and Mandarin are terribly underrated.
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After 2,183 ranked games of Dominion on Isotropic, I finally made it to level 40 (41 to be exact)!!! I jumped 4 levels over the past 2 days thanks to my 20-2 record in that time.
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But I still say Smugglers and Mandarin are terribly underrated.
Quite true. People get angry and say I got lucky when I play 3 smugglers against them, top decking the laboratories with watchtower, and then use schemes to put back my develop, farming village, and border villages.
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Up to Level 47 for the first time. In many previous periods, that would have made me comfortably #1. Instead, I'm still looking up several levels at Marin, Obi Wan, RisingJaguar, and Stef.
And, actually, WanderingWinder, too.
But still, go me!
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It shocks me that you've never been at 47 before olneyce. I mean, I know it's all because you don't play enough so you always have a big uncertainty number, but still. Congrats though :)
Actually, I'm 90+% sure you were 47 on that day we played during my huge losing streak which I've posted a screenshot of a few times here. No?
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You all deserve a big pat on the back today.
53.785 ± 7.450 8 5997 Rabid ▲ 1
54.878 ± 8.699 9 5979 jonts26 ▲ 1
Level 45 51.768 ± 6.508 10 7006 lespeutere ▲ 1
Level 44 51.050 ± 6.475 11 7736 dghunter79
55.531 ± 11.181 12 5003 First
53.627 ± 9.503 13 2834 Geronimoo ▲ 1
Level 43 50.896 ± 7.015 14 580 notedloch
57.674 ± 13.871 15 2386 ARTjoMS ▲ 3
52.575 ± 8.841 16 3287 WHARF 2 THA BRIDGE
50.301 ± 6.567 17 6587 julie
51.447 ± 7.896 18 4957 Jimmy Steward ▲ 1
52.510 ± 9.333 19 3625 Big Cheesesteak ▲ 1
53.076 ± 9.978 20 3855 kn1tt3r
52.812 ± 9.775 21 1449 nomnomnom ▲ 1
Level 42 56.516 ± 13.769 22 370 tat ▲ 2
53.738 ± 11.226 23 2384 manzi
51.703 ± 9.290 24 1224 Immu91 ▲ 1
57.796 ± 15.502 25 814 ryderc
50.272 ± 7.979 26 2774 Celicath ▲ 1
52.556 ± 10.327 27 3829 qmech ▲ 1
50.016 ± 7.863 28 8652 VetoPossession ▲ 1
51.198 ± 9.168 29 1984 yuuna ▲ 1
51.645 ± 9.620 30 2301 Mic Qsenoch
52.306 ± 10.291 31 1305 shark_bait ▲ 1
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So do you have to win at least 50% to even rank at all? I can't seem to squeeze out level 1. I win about 33% of my games.
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So do you have to win at least 50% to even rank at all? I can't seem to squeeze out level 1. I win about 33% of my games.
Depends on whom you play. If you mostly play opponents of your level, and win 50% of you games, your mean skill will stay the same, but your variance should decrease, so you gain levels.
Your graph (http://councilroom.com/player?player=bedlam)looks like you lost 10 levels due to increasing variance in half a year of not playing, but afterwards your mean level increased and variance decreased, so probably, when you continue playing you will get positive at some time.
Edit: In a quick look it seems to me that you buy too many terminal actions. So if you priorize Silver a bit higher, you would probably win more games. If you look at your games (see link above for old games) how often you draw at least 2 actions, but can only play one, and imagine every time that happens one of them would be a Silver, your hand looks a lot better...
Edit2: Actions are fun, but having two of them in hand an one can only play one of them is not.
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So do you have to win at least 50% to even rank at all? I can't seem to squeeze out level 1. I win about 33% of my games.
Depends on whom you play. If you mostly play opponents of your level, and win 50% of you games, your mean skill will stay the same, but your variance should decrease, so you gain levels.
Your graph (http://councilroom.com/player?player=bedlam)looks like you lost 10 levels due to increasing variance in half a year of not playing, but afterwards your mean level increased and variance decreased, so probably, when you continue playing you will get positive at some time.
Edit: In a quick look it seems to me that you buy too many terminal actions. So if you priorize Silver a bit higher, you would probably win more games. If you look at your games (see link above for old games) how often you draw at least 2 actions, but can only play one, and imagine every time that happens one of them would be a Silver, your hand looks a lot better...
Edit2: Actions are fun, but having two of them in hand an one can only play one of them is not.
I didn't know I had a graph. Thanks for the insights. (I wish my wife didn't make me take those six months off of playing...)
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I didn't know I had a graph. Thanks for the insights. (I wish my wife didn't make me take those six months off of playing...)
It's not that bad (for your level). The variance decreases quite rapidly, and your mean level stayed the same anyway.
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Hurrah, level 40!
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Reclaimed #1 on the leaderboard and set a new personal best for level. 50 here I come!
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Reclaimed #1 on the leaderboard and set a new personal best for level. 50 here I come!
It's going to be interesting to see who claims the permanent spot as #1; given that the leaderboard will be frozen in place very soon.
I just hope I climb back to 30 before it's over. :-\
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I suffer from FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome) way too much to be competitive.
Greetings fellow sufferer of FPS! and thank you for defining it. I didn't know what I had had a name.
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Reclaimed #1 on the leaderboard and set a new personal best for level. 50 here I come!
It's going to be interesting to see who claims the permanent spot as #1; given that the leaderboard will be frozen in place very soon.
I just hope I climb back to 30 before it's over. :-\
Whoever does should post in this thread :P
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I got my first "The Flash" goal on the last day (supposedly) Isotropic is alive! WOOT!!
I won the game 1-0 in 9 turns with key cards being Border Village, Wharf, and Quarry.
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/16/game-20120816-111851-d15444c9.html
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I enjoy playing around on Isotropic trying to find cool new combos, so I sometimes have a tendency of losing games I really shouldn't. With Isotropic going down, I figured I would play to try to get my rating up. On the 16th I was a 29. :( However, Isotropic was still up yesterday, and good thing, too. This morning I broke through and am a level 30!
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I enjoy playing around on Isotropic trying to find cool new combos, so I sometimes have a tendency of losing games I really shouldn't. With Isotropic going down, I figured I would play to try to get my rating up. On the 16th I was a 29. :( However, Isotropic was still up yesterday, and good thing, too. This morning I broke through and am a level 30!
Even though Goko was scheduled to release on the 16; Iso was always scheduled to be up until the 22nd.
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I enjoy playing around on Isotropic trying to find cool new combos, so I sometimes have a tendency of losing games I really shouldn't. With Isotropic going down, I figured I would play to try to get my rating up. On the 16th I was a 29. :( However, Isotropic was still up yesterday, and good thing, too. This morning I broke through and am a level 30!
Even though Goko was scheduled to release on the 16; Iso was always scheduled to be up until the 22nd.
I did not know that. I guess I misinterpreted the message on Isotropic's login page.
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Someone stole my username right at the end so it looks like I'm going down in history as Jorbles_drunk, the username I used to use for playing to let people know I was drunk, but now I guess will be using for all remaining games.
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Wow, that's harsh...
I'm still struggling to hit lvl 40 before iso goes down.
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Wow, that's harsh...
I'm still struggling to hit lvl 40 before iso goes down.
Yeah GRRRRRR: 51.009 ± 11.165
(http://i.snag.gy/IdrEG.jpg)
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I finally got back to 20, and it looks like I might manage to hold it for a while!
....shut up I am trying hard :(
(http://img.imgcake.com/IsoboardPNGpu.png)
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I have managed to pull out of my latest inexplicable slump and get back to L36... doubt I will ever reach my peak of 38 again, let alone 40.
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Would love to get back to the 40-42 range that I was almost always in (lately I had to stop playing iso for two weeks or so), but ack, so busy!
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LVL 40!
Again! As far as I'm concerned the leaderboard can freeze right here. I will of course try to improve my rating before it does, though. But right now, I'm happy.
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Back up to 45!
I'd like to be in the top 10 before it shuts down, but man there are some good players there.
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Good to be back in the top 10 after a long break from serious playing. I don't think I can touch Stef/Obi Wan/Marin these days though, at least not with all random playing against random (lowish level) opponents like I am. I'm just not good enough any more, and they certainly are.
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Back up to 45!
I'd like to be in the top 10 before it shuts down, but man there are some good players there.
Yeah, it's weird simultaneously wanting to hit the top 10, but knowing that all 10 of them currently there are substantially better than me. I've been hovering in the mid-teens for awhile now, and that's probably where I belong. Remember when Level 44 was the top of the leaderboard? That's where I am now.
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After a stellar week I have finally managed to break the 40 barrier! Didn't think I would make it to 40 before ISO went down; but now I am afraid to play anymore games for fear of dropping my level.
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After a stellar week I have finally managed to break the 40 barrier! Didn't think I would make it to 40 before ISO went down; but now I am afraid to play anymore games for fear of dropping my level.
It will also drop if you don't play though. :P
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After a stellar week I have finally managed to break the 40 barrier! Didn't think I would make it to 40 before ISO went down; but now I am afraid to play anymore games for fear of dropping my level.
It will also drop if you don't play though. :P
Sadly :(
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Not quite the same level but here's looking to break the top 1000 before it goes down.
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I had some time sitting in an airport with free wifi and a couple of hours to kill this weekend. I managed to get my level up to 30 for a day (before going right back down the next day), but that's a personal high for me! I doubt it will ever get that high again...
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Finally level 53!!
I succeed to beat Stef's record! ^^
I try this since many times but didn't succeed until today!
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Finally level 53!!
I succeed to beat Stef's record! ^^
I try this since many times but didn't succeed until today!
Congrats, Marin! When it comes to Dominion, you are truly an artist--one who paints with many colors, just not gold or silver. ;D
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I hope goko launches today - as I just cracked the top 10 again.
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Finally level 53!!
I succeed to beat Stef's record! ^^
I try this since many times but didn't succeed until today!
Way to go man. Glad that 5-0 drubbing you put on me the other day went to good use :)
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Have the upper ranks gotten more competitive? I was 32-33 back in the day and then took a long break around Cornucopia. I came back in having dropped to 15 and now I seem to have stalled at 26.
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Have the upper ranks gotten more competitive? I was 32-33 back in the day and then took a long break around Cornucopia. I came back in having dropped to 15 and now I seem to have stalled at 26.
Definitely. I think it's a combination of the True-Skill ranking system having a built-in level creep over time, more players playing, and the good players actually getting better. I was a 36 once, in the top-100 of all players. Now I can't get above 31.
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Have the upper ranks gotten more competitive? I was 32-33 back in the day and then took a long break around Cornucopia. I came back in having dropped to 15 and now I seem to have stalled at 26.
basically what gendoikari said. this popped up earlier in this thread and i addressed the basics of it back in this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1552.msg52010#msg52010).
edit: added a blurb on level creep to the Isotropic (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1994.msg87213#msg87213) post in the FAQ.
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Definitely. I think it's a combination of the True-Skill ranking system having a built-in level creep over time, more players playing
If I understand correctly, wouldn't these help me? Wouldn't I be one of the people pushed into the 35-40 bucket? The "level creep" is the result of an accumulation of players at levels 1-5 who play for a little bit and then leave, correct or do I misunderstand the FAQ?
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i have no idea of what your level is now or what your situation is. but the (theoretical) creep would likely give a slight boost to upper level players while making it a little harder for poor players to level up. it wouldn't just be a flat bump up for everyone. either way, the effect is not all that significant, especially if you are newer to the game. and it is also going to (theoretically) diminish over time.
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i'm pretty sure Marin now holds the (unofficial) record for highest level ever on isotropic. he is currently sitting at 53.956, a bit higher than -Stef-'s 53.599 back in june (http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2012-06-16.html).
i think he has the highest skill rating (64.112) too, but i haven't kept track of that so i'm not as confident in that.
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No, I do think that one of the people gaming the system had something near 70 skill when they were playing only the necessary amount of games to stay on the leader board.
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No, I do think that one of the people gaming the system had something near 70 skill when they were playing only the necessary amount of games to stay on the leader board.
But then that wouldn't count, right?
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I never check the leaderboard; this thread made me realize that I'm ranked number 102. :o
Also, looking at the names above me on the leaderboard, it's no wonder I've never made it any higher.
EDIT: Also bragging because I got lucky and beat Marin in the one game we played ._.
EDIT the Second: Rank 49!
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Had an amazing run yesterday (Went 10-3 or something), so I went up from level 34 to 37. All time best!
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I think I reached rank 48 (level 39) a few days ago before classes started and I stopped playing.
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Level 50 58.916 ± 7.943 1 6780 Rabid
I finally made it!
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I think I peaked at rank 34 (level 40) last week. I feel very accomplished.
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Still have a long way to go, but I just hit level 25 after being stuck in the 22-23 range for a while!
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Could you guys all just stop playing for a month? Thanks.
Level 53 60.771 ± 7.684 1 6826 Rabid ▲ 2
Level 50 58.725 ± 8.386 2 2397 -Stef-
Level 49 59.322 ± 9.744 3 4091 olneyce ▲ 1
58.373 ± 8.850 4 3547 Marin ▼ 1
56.998 ± 7.732 5 5852 Obi Wan Bonogi
Level 47 56.390 ± 8.658 6 377 tryderat
57.118 ± 9.468 7 4586 NinjaBus
Level 45 55.572 ± 9.701 8 8617 chwhite ▼ 1
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I wanna give a shout-out to pops who has jumped about 10 levels in the past few weeks! Keep on making your way to the top.
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Could you guys all just stop playing for a month? Thanks.
Level 53 60.771 ± 7.684 1 6826 Rabid ▲ 2
Level 50 58.725 ± 8.386 2 2397 -Stef-
Level 49 59.322 ± 9.744 3 4091 olneyce ▲ 1
58.373 ± 8.850 4 3547 Marin ▼ 1
56.998 ± 7.732 5 5852 Obi Wan Bonogi
Level 47 56.390 ± 8.658 6 377 tryderat
57.118 ± 9.468 7 4586 NinjaBus
Level 45 55.572 ± 9.701 8 8617 chwhite ▼ 1
Recently, I've basically only been playing just enough to keep above Level 45. Sorry. :P
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I'm pushing 20 now ... creeping up on my pre-mafia levels.
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Level 40 49.743 ± 9.597 42 4173 greatexpectations ▲ 2
it took an absurd run yesterday to do it, but it's really nice to finally hit 40.
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After years of playing a four-digit number of games, I have finally entered the 30 zone temporarily. Created a forum account for announcing this.
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Level 38! My peak so far... Still hoping for 40 before the isotropicalypse.
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Yes! Finally! Just over a year of playing. Big thanks to all the pros who have trounced me on the way here. 'S where I learned all my tricks.
(http://www.jshgaming.com/LEVEL40.png)
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After years of playing a four-digit number of games, I have finally entered the 30 zone temporarily. Created a forum account for announcing this.
Oh well, back to 27 after a losing streak.
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I reached the level 30...
And after a small pause (dark ages on goko), tumbled until level 19 ... :'(
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Yay, finally into the top 100.
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Yay, finally into the top 100.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmFo-LKHGY0
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Posting here so this thread will show up on my "New replies to your posts". ;)
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(http://www.jshgaming.com/l43n15.png)
My latest peak... 43 and #15.
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ottocar must be a pretty good player.
Also, alsmot 40 again. Almost.
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Wow, 12 levels in a day? Might be an alt
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Wow, 12 levels in a day? Might be an alt
This is where we really need CouncilRoom back. :( Is there any way now to see what games he played?
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ottocar mixed it up from our previous leaderboard cheaters but he/she is almost certainly still a cheater. in the past people beat up on low level accounts a lot of times to boost their levels. otto just did the same thing, except he beat up on a higher level account.
ottocar jumped 12 levels from 40 to 52 playing 30 games.
111111 fell 7 levels from 36 to 29 playing 30 games.
a 12 level jump would probably take the lvl 40 beating a lvl 36 30 out of 30 times. technically possible i guess, but i think occam's razor would draw a different conclusion.
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Interesting... how are you able to mine the logs for that info now?
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Nice sleuthing Detective!
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ottocar mixed it up from our previous leaderboard cheaters but he/she is almost certainly still a cheater. in the past people beat up on low level accounts a lot of times to boost their levels. otto just did the same thing, except he beat up on a higher level account.
ottocar jumped 12 levels from 40 to 52 playing 30 games.
111111 fell 7 levels from 36 to 29 playing 30 games.
a 12 level jump would probably take the lvl 40 beating a lvl 36 30 out of 30 times. technically possible i guess, but i think occam's razor would draw a different conclusion.
Do you have any info about how he got to level 40? It would seem strange for a player good enough to play a lot and hit 40 to then suddenly decide to cheat to jump to the top.
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Hm... it's possible he could have used other alts to get that high? Or decided the rank was really important to him...
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Interesting... how are you able to mine the logs for that info now?
there is a log of all past leaderboards which you can find here (http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/). you can also find that link if you check out the isotropic link on the wiki (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Isotropic#Leaderboard).
i simply looked at yesterdays to see how many games otto played and then looked for a corresponding level drop. the people doing this really aren't all that clever. simply mixing in another accounts, not doing the jump all in one day, or having the alt you are beating up on win a few other games would have made it harder to figure things out.
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Do you have any info about how he got to level 40? It would seem strange for a player good enough to play a lot and hit 40 to then suddenly decide to cheat to jump to the top.
well it is very possible they are a decent player, but i doubt they were a 40. the first day otto seems to be on the leaderboard is oct 24 as a lvl 34 which is totally reasonable. just switched names from something else presumably.
similarly, the 111111 account makes a few suspicious jumps as well though, and only appears on the leaderboard nov 1.
my guess is that there is a 3rd dummy account (maybe more?) involved. it isn't hard for a level 30 player to run a new account to level 20 or so in a night or two of work. then have your second account beat up on that one so it hits 30+ and so on.
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Yep, chain accounts together.. get one account up a few levels, create a new account and beat that first account soundly 30 games in a row.. create a new account and beat that second account 30 games in a row.. create a fourth account and beat that third account 30 games in a row.. repeat ad nauseum.
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And I'm finally lvl 40 again!
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Jumped 2 levels yesterday to 37, my highest ever!! Also, top 100!! (ok, #100 exactly, but that's still top 100!)
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I played my first game of Dominion on December 25th, 2011.
In March 2012 I discovered DominionStrategy.com and began playing (a lot) on isotropic.
I entered the isodom tournament and got resoundingly crushed.
In April I played in the first "One Day Cup" and surprised the hell out of myself (and a lot of others) by winning.
This past spring I flew to Detroit to play in a regional tournament to try to qualify for Nationals. I made it to the final table, but lost on a single terrible draw.
Then I entered the DS.com qualifying tournament. It took me three tries in prelims to qualify for semi finals. Then I won semis and qualified for the 'controversial' finals. I tied for second, only to have the first place drop out. Whereupon I won the playoff and went to Nationals.
At Nationals I tied for first in the prelims, but then lost to DonDon in the finals (hint if you go to nationals: Don't play third seat in a Chapel/Village/Torturer match when first player opens 2/5)
Today I have just achieved my proudest achievement: I just hit the Top 10 on the isotrpoic leaderboard.
Granted it's only because my +/- is lower than others because I play too much, but I will take it all the same.
Never would have come close to this without reading this forum religiously (except ironically the religious sub forum)
Now I just need to learn how to play Dark Ages effectively without having to sit through explosions and laser-like sound effects.
Ed
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"Now I just need to learn how to play Dark Ages effectively without having to sit through explosions and laser-like sound effects."
Yeahh good luck with that :(
Nice work on the other stuff, I'd like to think I can take ~80% of the credit for it, by letting you crush me in that one day tournament :)
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"Now I just need to learn how to play Dark Ages effectively without having to sit through explosions and laser-like sound effects."
Yeahh good luck with that :(
Nice work on the other stuff, I'd like to think I can take ~80% of the credit for it, by letting you crush me in that one day tournament :)
At least. I think that was my first real upset. Shocked a lot of people if I remember correctly.
To be fair I had to poison your food in order to make it happen... Sorry about that.
Ed
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i put together a list of all the people to hit the #1 spot in 2012. holy crap Marin and -Stef- have spent a lot of time at the top.
http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#.231_Players
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Anyone know who this is?
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201211/11/game-20121111-152643-404ff32a.html
57.169 ± 14.525 18 82 FEED ME MORE
Level 42 with only 82 games is very good going.
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Anyone know who this is?
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201211/11/game-20121111-152643-404ff32a.html
57.169 ± 14.525 18 82 FEED ME MORE
Level 42 with only 82 games is very good going.
I can tell you that he just beat me, but never seen him before.
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Anyone know who this is?
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201211/11/game-20121111-152643-404ff32a.html
57.169 ± 14.525 18 82 FEED ME MORE
Level 42 with only 82 games is very good going.
Now he's rank #9 and level 45 with 101 games. That's awesome.
And does anyone know bhn1? He's level 43 (rank #13) with 451 games. I won against him yesterday 2-1, but seems like an awesome player too. And I never heard of him.
And I tried to play in the last couple of weeks competitively and more often. In 2-3 weeks I went from level 22 to level 33. I'm now in the Top 200. Yeah!
Next goal: Level 35 / Top 150
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Finally broke 60 mean skill! Too bad my variance is over 12.
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49.316 ± 9.171 50 2171 GendoIkari ▲ 1
That says it all.... LEVEL 40!!! Top 50!
When I first made this thread, almost a year ago, I never really though I'd hit 40. Of course, back then no one was 50 and low 40s was the best of the best. But still, this is simply amazing. Over 2100 games... man that's a lot. Well, a lot when compared to lesser amounts of games, not as many when compared to greater amounts of games. Either way, I'm so happy to be here.
Thank you once again to all the members of this forum who have taught me so much since I first joined a little over a year ago. You truly have robbed me of an actual life. :P
Anyway, 40 is where I get off the competitive train. The last few days, working extra hard to get here, were quite stressful! I have no illusions of actually being able to compete with the 50s (though I have beaten both Rabid and Obi Wan at least once each). From now on, I think my games are just going to be with my unregistered account, "Gendo."
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39.658 ± 10.247 356 4393 Graystripe77 ▲ 5
After an awesome day, shot up 5 levels. If I keep going like this, I'll hit level 40 soon.
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39.658 ± 10.247 356 4393 Graystripe77 ▲ 5
After an awesome day, shot up 5 levels. If I keep going like this, I'll hit level 40 soon.
Wow... don't think I ever jumped more than 2 at once.
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I went from level 0 to level 28 in one day ::)
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Granted it's only because my +/- is lower than others because I play too much, but I will take it all the same.
7.769 isn't that low. A fair number of people manage 7.x or 8.x. Heck, I'm apparently at 7.951 myself.
But I only see two people on the entire leaderboard below 6!
BTW, does anyone know who "playing twice a day, can i be better than level … " is?
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And does anyone know bhn1? He's level 43 (rank #13) with 451 games. I won against him yesterday 2-1, but seems like an awesome player too. And I never heard of him.
i played bhn1 yesterday and asked. he/she used to go under the name notedloch but switched accounts when iso started acting up when they added an avatar. notedloch was at level 44 as recently as august (http://bggdl.square7.ch/leaderboard/leaderboard-2012-08-10.html). i talked with Mundane Mandate too but forget what account they used to be. i think it was Headso.
7.769 isn't that low. A fair number of people manage 7.x or 8.x. Heck, I'm apparently at 7.951 myself.
But I only see two people on the entire leaderboard below 6!
i am pretty sure uncertainty isn't based just on games played though, it also takes some input from the levels of your opponents.
BTW, does anyone know who "playing twice a day, can i be better than level … " is?
nope, but they definitely play more than just twice a day.
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Oh, so MM is Headso. I've been playing him assuming it was WW. An easy mistake to make...
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Oh, so MM is Headso. I've been playing him assuming it was WW. An easy mistake to make...
Really? I thought their playstyles are a bit different... I'm an expert because I once saw a youtube video about it.
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Oh, so MM is Headso. I've been playing him assuming it was WW. An easy mistake to make...
Really? I thought their playstyles are a bit different... I'm an expert because I once saw a youtube video about it.
Yeah, his playstyle and (what little) banter we had were different too, but the WW MM thing still threw me off.
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Oh, so MM is Headso. I've been playing him assuming it was WW. An easy mistake to make...
Really? I thought their playstyles are a bit different... I'm an expert because I once saw a youtube video about it.
Yeah, his playstyle and (what little) banter we had were different too, but the WW MM thing still threw me off.
˙uǝddɐɥ pןnoɔ ʇɐɥʇ ʍoɥ ǝǝs uɐɔ ı
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Anyone know who this is?
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201211/11/game-20121111-152643-404ff32a.html
57.169 ± 14.525 18 82 FEED ME MORE
Level 42 with only 82 games is very good going.
Now he's rank #9 and level 45 with 101 games. That's awesome.
And does anyone know bhn1? He's level 43 (rank #13) with 451 games. I won against him yesterday 2-1, but seems like an awesome player too. And I never heard of him.
And I tried to play in the last couple of weeks competitively and more often. In 2-3 weeks I went from level 22 to level 33. I'm now in the Top 200. Yeah!
Next goal: Level 35 / Top 150
Yeah, it took me 10 days. I'm now level 35 and on rank #145. I wonder if I can get even higher. Next goal: Top 100.
And does anyone know Jerk of All trades? He's level 43, rank #19 with only 262 games played. Is this a second account from someone here?
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39.122 ± 11.747 499 1045 thirtyseven
Top 500! (Currently level 27)
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I just saw a `50` beside Mic Qsenoch's name... congrats!
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I eventually matched level and respect at 43. I'm afraid, I need to stop posting completely now in order to keep this situation.
Also, I just noticed, the wiki (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#.231_Players) lists me as an 'important individual related to Dominion'. Wow..
Sorry for the redundance but: Without this site and all you guys, this wouldn't have happened!
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I eventually matched level and respect at 43. I'm afraid, I need to stop posting completely now in order to keep this situation.
Also, I just noticed, the wiki (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#.231_Players) lists me as an 'important individual related to Dominion'. Wow..
Sorry for the redundance but: Without this site and all you guys, this wouldn't have happened!
Quick, gain 4 more levels.
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I'm an important person three times! obamanotbad.jpg
Feels good to be the most important person in Dominion.
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Finally, after 774 games, I'm level 30 too!!
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I've been playing a lot over the last few days, mostly to get my level to something that represents my actual skill, instead of my activity on Iso. Went from 21 on Tuesday to 23 Wednesday, 27 Thursday, 29 Today. I think I'll stop there, although the 30 barrier is tempting. I have a higher mean skill than most level 30's, so...
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As the thread says, I did it. For me it was making it up to level 40 and into the top 50 (I'm 40.070 and 48th on the board).
I've been trying pretty hard to get this for the last few weeks. I've played ~700 games this month which is way above my usual. Its been really addictive as well, with the impending threat of iso going down, I didn't want to stop till i got this.
Trying to get to a new skill level makes playing really exciting, but it also feels stressful. I have had to try pretty hard not to rage when you lose to a worse strategy that gets lucky.
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Finally, after 774 games, I'm level 30 too!!
It took me well more games to get there, hehe. I play a lot more though, to compensate.
Grats on reaching that.
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I dropped back down to 29 today :(
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I dropped back down to 29 today :(
And you lost your spot to Obi Wan Bonogi in the dominionstrategy tournament :( Sorry!
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Ah, well, I still have some time to enter the kingdom design challenge.
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I gotta say, the second half of the alphabet seems to be way better at reaching level 50.
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I gotta say, the second half of the alphabet seems to be way better at reaching level 50.
It's because the formula to determine start player uses reverse alphabet sort as a tiebreaker, because Doug Z was bitter from always being last in line in elementary school.
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I have finally crossed the level 50 barrier.
I'll take my * now.
http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#.231_Players
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Finally made level 30.
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(http://t.qkme.me/3s1uuq.jpg)
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Level 40 by a hair (and on my 3500th game):
49.689 ± 9.621 53 3500 blueblimp ▲ 1
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Finally back to 35. Let's see if I can't break 37 this time!
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I'm both baffled and amused with my level as of late.
Before two weeks ago, my peak level was 25. I knew with consistent play I could get much higher, because I had crazy uncertainty, and well my skill was about 38, so getting that to about 38+/- 8, maybe I could just about hit 30.
Well now my level is 34, 48.225 ± 13.852, and I'm actually in the top 200 on the leaderboard (precisely, in fact). I mean, my mean skill has gone up by 10, which personally I find crazy. I would have been about 30 seeds higher in the tournament with my current level. I don't even think I'm that great at Dominion, so how I've managed this amuses and baffles me.
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I'm both baffled and amused with my level as of late.
Before two weeks ago, my peak level was 25. I knew with consistent play I could get much higher, because I had crazy uncertainty, and well my skill was about 38, so getting that to about 38+/- 8, maybe I could just about hit 30.
Well now my level is 34, 48.225 ± 13.852, and I'm actually in the top 200 on the leaderboard (precisely, in fact). I mean, my mean skill has gone up by 10, which personally I find crazy. I would have been about 30 seeds higher in the tournament with my current level. I don't even think I'm that great at Dominion, so how I've managed this amuses and baffles me.
I had a similar experience one time before. I was around level 34/35, then inexplicably went up to level 38/39. Then dropped back down.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like a lot of level maintenance is in not doing stupid things like buying random terminals in a Big Money game for no reason.
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So, nothing huge and super noteworthy, but I think that for the first time, my uncertainty is lower than my level.
I suppose the main take-away message is that I need to play more Dominion! :P ;D
Level 18 35.342 ± 16.868 1532 512 clb
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Level 40! Cha Cha Cha! (That's the sound of me doing a silent cha cha dance so as not to wake my sleeping gf...is there an emoticon for that?)
It's been quite the journey, from when I was undefeated (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1552.msg36268#msg36268), to when I hit level 30 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1552.msg60008#msg60008), to when I choked (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5691.msg151941#msg151941) away a 3-0 lead in this year's Dominion Strategy Championships.
When I was a noob I always thought I would have some grand epiphany about how to play better, and that the very tip-top players (how I viewed level 15 and up when I started), were ninja masters.....but instead it's just been boring gradual improvements with experience and I now recognize that only WW, Bonogi, -Stef-, and Rabid are unbeatable genius machines.
Anyway, now that I've hit 40 I think I'm going to take a long break, although I've said that many times before.
Thanks to all the usuals for the vast amount of free entertainment and surprisingly positive internet community, (theory, rrenaud, new CR folks, DougZ, DXV) and the iso Youtubers who undoubtedly helped my play (WW, jonts, jsh, lespeutere, michaeljb, RobZ, olneyce et al).
SOLILOQUY OVER.
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I made 30.
No fancy speech here.
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When I was a noob I always thought I would have some grand epiphany about how to play better, and that the very tip-top players (how I viewed level 15 and up when I started), were ninja masters.....but instead it's just been boringsubtle gradual improvements with experience and I now recognize that only WW, Bonogi, -Stef-, and Rabid are unbeatable genius machines.
Were the improvements really boring??? I agree it's gradual as I used to face obi wan with trepidation but now when I face him I am confident in my ability to win. These players are only "unbeatable geniuses" if you believe them to be it. Part of my joy in Dominion has come from advancing to a level of play where I am confident in my ability to win against any opponent.
I did not start my dominion playing like that and it is only recently that I have obtained that level of confidence. There are many lessons I've learned throughout my dominion career, one from obi wan is the importance of recognizing how to play a board right from the start. He once trounced me in a Colony/Mountebank game by investing in a Potion for PS. Stef has recently beaten me where he built an engine that could Duchy dance while mine couldn't. And I've also found uses for cards myself like using Scheme for both engine games and slogfest games. I've always had a special place in my heart for Cartographer which is an often underused and underrated card.
While improvements have been gradual, I hardly see them as boring. I have invested countless hours into this game which I would not have invested had improving at this game been "boring". The fact that each new kingdom provides an opportunity to learn is a unique and exciting prospect for someone who has played over 3800 games. It's a testament to the excitement Dominion offers that I still and will continue to play this game.
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I just reached level 43, which is the highest I have ever been on the leaderboard. I was previously a level 42 back in August, but stopped playing for a few weeks when I thought Iso was going away.
I am so surprised--and thankful!--that Iso is still around, and I am actually playing better Dominion than ever before.
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Level 40! Cha Cha Cha! (That's the sound of me doing a silent cha cha dance so as not to wake my sleeping gf...is there an emoticon for that?)
Hey, for hitting level 40, she better be awake showing you just how much of a virile mate she thinks you are.
Or at least making you a delicious snack.
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Fiiiiiiiiinally hit level 30. Really wanted to before iso went down and for a while I thought I wasn't gonna make it. But my friend who first taught me the game just made it there and I had to catch him. Beating Rabid yesterday probably helped :D.
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Level 46 54.505 ± 8.345 8 4003 MrEevee ▲ 1
Whoooo, first time cracking top ten! Easily too, being 8th all of a sudden. Been hovering around 11th-12th and waiting for this to happen for a couple of days now, feels nice.
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Finally back to 35. Let's see if I can't break 37 this time!
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49.076 ± 9.009 51 2388 King's Skort ▲ 1
Just so you guys know, I set a personal goal to hit 40 before iso went down. Now that that's done, I suspect the Goko folks will find things much easier going... :o
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I reached 42 for a few days (down to 39 from the last month of hiatus)! You can totally get into the 40s with only a 56% winrate. ^^
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A bit different from all the levels here...I almost always decline any board with alchemy cards because I have a strong dislike for them and I have no idea how to play them, but after a second straight tournament of losing games with alchemy cards, I figured maybe I should start playing with them. So I just won my first ever Vineyards game! I messed it up badly and I think I really needed a second potion, but it didn't end up mattering.
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/16/game-20130116-065340-e57b1951.html
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<font size="55">WOOHOO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykpjFjsEdl4)</font>
Edit: ok that record didn't last long. Somehow I don't mind ;)
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Congrats on the new record :)
At least me losing 1-4 yesterday went to a good cause.
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In before stef! 55, that's like.. 5 more than 50? Grats dude!
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I eventually matched level and respect at 43. I'm afraid, I need to stop posting completely now in order to keep this situation.
Also, I just noticed, the wiki (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#.231_Players) lists me as an 'important individual related to Dominion'. Wow..
Sorry for the redundance but: Without this site and all you guys, this wouldn't have happened!
Quick, gain 4 more levels.
You guys have been too generous with your respect for me. However, there's been some fire I've been on yesterday ::)
How strong is this Final Four? All but one are members of the super-exclusive nine ten-member Level 50 Club – the lone exception being including lespeutere, who has “only” made it to Level 49.564 50.251 50.749 recently, being no exception anymore
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I eventually matched level and respect at 43. I'm afraid, I need to stop posting completely now in order to keep this situation.
Also, I just noticed, the wiki (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#.231_Players) lists me as an 'important individual related to Dominion'. Wow..
Sorry for the redundance but: Without this site and all you guys, this wouldn't have happened!
Quick, gain 4 more levels.
You guys have been too generous with your respect for me. However, there's been some fire I've been on yesterday ::)
How strong is this Final Four? All but one are members of the super-exclusive nine ten-member Level 50 Club – the lone exception being including lespeutere, who has “only” made it to Level 49.564 50.251 recently, being no exception anymore
+1 congrats, dude
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How strong is this Final Four? All but one are members of the super-exclusive nine ten-member Level 50 Club – the lone exception being including lespeutere, who has “only” made it to Level 49.564 50.251 recently, being no exception anymore
Heh, congrats. Theory corrected my sentence too, so maybe he'll update this one.
I think you subtracted the wrong way around, because actually you're 50.749, but don't let that spoil the party ;)
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Oops,
it felt very wrong what I did but I just did not care when I checked the leaderboard just after waking up. That 50 erased everything - except for my sleepiness..
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I've been secretly playing again, maybe some of you can guess my new lvl 40+ username. :)
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I've been secretly playing again, maybe some of you can guess my new lvl 40+ username. :)
Congratulations on reaching the second place on the leaderboard with 11402 games in a few weeks!
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Very nice :)
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I'm going to scrape the bggdl.square7ch leaderboard archive to see if I can come up with an order of people who hit Level 50. Unfortunately the archive only goes back to 2011-03-11. So if you think you hit Level 50 before then, speak up now or forever hold your peace :)
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I'm going to scrape the bggdl.square7ch leaderboard archive to see if I can come up with an order of people who hit Level 50. Unfortunately the archive only goes back to 2011-03-11. So if you think you hit Level 50 before then, speak up now or forever hold your peace :)
I'm pretty sure, Obi Wan was the first to achieve it: page 4 of this thread, April 24th.
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Done. The page (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#Level_50_club) is quite pretty now :)
Incidentally we should start a betting topic: who is the first to take over #1 in 2013 from -Stef-? :)
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Done. The page (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#Level_50_club) is quite pretty now :)
Incidentally we should start a betting topic: who is the first to take over #1 in 2013 from -Stef-? :)
Easy call. The guy who's no.2 when -Stef-'s first week of vacation is over.
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Woohoo, Level 44! That's my all-time high.
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Done. The page (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#Level_50_club) is quite pretty now :)
Incidentally we should start a betting topic: who is the first to take over #1 in 2013 from -Stef-? :)
How does Goko do their rating system? Because it'll be up before this happens.
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Well, this is the highest I've ever been:
Level 41 52.113 ± 10.678 38 243 cbaka
I don't think I can maintain this with the frequency that I'm playing, though.
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Well, this is the highest I've ever been:
Level 41 52.113 ± 10.678 38 243 cbaka
I don't think I can maintain this with the frequency that I'm playing, though.
This is the new ceiling for me:
Level 44 52.499 ± 8.348 17 4347 PapaSnork
I've played a couple of games against you people under that pseudonym, lespeutere especially. ;D
My son is the Snork here so I guess that makes me a very proud PapaSnork. :)
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Yay.
Level 35, and top 150.
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Done. The page (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who#Level_50_club) is quite pretty now :)
Incidentally we should start a betting topic: who is the first to take over #1 in 2013 from -Stef-? :)
How does Goko do their rating system? Because it'll be up before this happens.
Guess I was wrong. Tat's pulled within a point on mean skill, too.
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Strange. I recently got to level 30 on Isotropic yet I still feel like such a noob. There is so much I have yet to learn. Maybe I'll start to learn something now I have a better chance of playing against level 40 something players that will just straight up beat me.
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So I created a new account, to see if I could get it to level 50, and if so, how quickly. And then I did it. In about 300 games. Go me.
And then Yahoo ate the account it was linked to, so now I can't access it anymore. Goodbye Veil of Ignorance. It was fun not knowing anything about my social location or even my concept of the good while I played under you!
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So I created a new account, to see if I could get it to level 50, and if so, how quickly. And then I did it. In about 300 games. Go me.
And then Yahoo ate the account it was linked to, so now I can't access it anymore. Goodbye Veil of Ignorance. It was fun not knowing anything about my social location or even my concept of the good while I played under you!
Were those three hundred games against yourself? ;)
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New screensaver for me here. I am grateful to -Stef- for not having played a while. :-)
Level 51 57.887 ± 6.508 1 10364 lespeutere ▲ 1
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Woah, top 10. That is something, I never thought I'd get to. I did get a pretty crazy amount of luck lately going 23-2 in the last few days to get up here.
57.153 ± 10.512 8 2678 eliegel34 ▲ 2
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After reaching 41 in mid December and then spiralling downwards, I am finally back at 40. Feels good mang
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With Iso going down, perhaps this is as good a time as ever to remind myself that I was once a top-10 Dominion player on Iso.
(http://i.imgur.com/SyvNnvn.png)
Ah, Stef was just a young'un then.
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Level 51 57.887 ± 6.508 1 10364 lespeutere ▲ 1
Wohohoho, I've beaten the #1 on the leaderboard. This first game doesn't count, opening 5/2 on Vault/Chapel/Tunnel is cheating...
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Level 51 57.887 ± 6.508 1 10364 lespeutere ▲ 1
Wohohoho, I've beaten the #1 on the leaderboard. This first game doesn't count, opening 5/2 on Vault/Chapel/Tunnel is cheating...
huh?
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huh?
I've played 2 games against lespeutere this morning, first one he won after starting Vault/Chapel on a Tunnel board. Second one I won (forgot the board).
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huh?
I've played 2 games against lespeutere this morning, first one he won after starting Vault/Chapel on a Tunnel board. Second one I won (forgot the board).
Ah. It didn't help that I misread "I've beaten the #1" as "I've been the #1".
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After reaching 41 in mid December and then spiralling downwards, I am finally back at 40. Feels good mang
'Grats, but I would change your signature so as not to jinx it!
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40.414 ± 12.395 473 1242 thirtyseven ▲ 2
Just jumped to Level 28, my highest level yet! Nice to be in the top 500 too.
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Took an extended break at the conclusion of the tournament, but after going at it hard the past couple days and shaking the rust off I've managed back to the top 10 just in time for shutdown day!
Here's to hoping it still exists when I wake up.
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Well I was hoping to get myself back up to 50, but I guess lvl49 and third overall will have to do.
Level 49 59.845 ± 10.431 3 6950 jonts26
Also I suppose I should congratulate lespeutere who will forever be number one.
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Went from level 33 to 46 in the last 3 days, ended up in 12th place. Feels kinda nice to end up closeish to the top after a long absence.
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Same as jonts. Was hoping to get back to 50, but am pretty happy to finish up in the top 5.
And ended up third for skill. Woohoo.
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I guess I am the only one at the top feeling bad about his spot, like I stole #1 from -Stef-...
Well, I have to admit I'm also a little proud, finishing with a positive record yesterday against jonts26 and -Stef-.
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I guess I am the only one at the top feeling bad about his spot, like I stole #1 from -Stef-...
Well, I have to admit I'm also a little proud, finishing with a positive record yesterday against jonts26 and -Stef-.
3-2 against lespeutere, 3-1 against Stef, 2-2 against jonts yesterday. Suck it y'all!
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If anyone is interested here's the top 10 by mean skill if I didnt miss anyone:
61.761 ± 9.190 2 3462 -Stef-
61.283 ± 12.473 7 756 tat
60.715 ± 11.696 5 4593 olneyce
59.845 ± 10.431 3 6950 jonts26
59.806 ± 6.475 1 10842 lespeutere
57.396 ± 13.930 25 189 Crash Bandicoot
57.115 ± 8.781 8 7253 Obi Wan Bonogi
57.002 ± 10.085 10 712 tryderat
56.996 ± 7.804 4 4570 Mic Qsenoch
56.948 ± 20.552 112 2460 DG
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63.733 ± 23.723 53 1294 kyrmanakos
Looks like they play nearly all games against same 2 players though.
http://councilroom.com/games_by_opponent?player=kyrmanakos
56.948 ± 20.552 112 2460 DG
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63.733 ± 23.723 53 1294 kyrmanakos
Looks like they play nearly all games against same 2 players though.
http://councilroom.com/games_by_opponent?player=kyrmanakos
56.948 ± 20.552 112 2460 DG
Guess I should've scrolled further down. Looks like kyrmanakos only played like 200 of his 1200 games against those people. Seems legit. I did beat him in our one game though. I'll update the above post.
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kyrmanakos 45 - 2 kyrman seems legit to you? Other than that, sure, but surely that invalidates his results? His winrate in games that aren't against himself is close to 0.5
Imagine my (or any top player's) ranking if I got ~40 free wins at the end of my career.
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also kyrmanakos vs kyrman...? ::)
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kyrmanakos 45 - 2 kyrman seems legit to you? Other than that, sure, but surely that invalidates his results? His winrate in games that aren't against himself is close to 0.5
Imagine my (or any top player's) ranking if I got ~40 free wins at the end of my career.
Upon further investigation, you're right. Just looking at his most recent games seems to be when he scooped all his free wins. DG gets to be in the top 10.
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13th overall skill, 20th mean skill to end it... looks pretty much exactly right. I've been on the edge of the top 20 for a lot of my time on Iso.
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Funny story (kinda). I've been in the top 10 twice.
The first time was right when the Leaderboard launched. Up until then of course we'd all been playing without even a thought to levels or ranking. Seems so quaint now...
So the first time I looked at the board I was in the top 10... with level 29.
The second time was on September 24, 2011. And my level then was 41.
Now you have to be at least level 46 to make it.
So the average skill of Dominion players on isotropic has been steadily going up. Even after several years and thousands of games, it's still possible to get better. Which just goes to show what a great game it is.
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I did it! Won the game in 8 turns!
http://www.gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?/20140916/log.514b28bee4b0b79c883b5a60.1410901951010.txt
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After being a member here for a little over 2 years, I've finally broken 5000!
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After being a member here for a little over 2 years, I've finally broken 5000!
Broken 5000 what? I hope they weren't expensive...
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I did it! Won the game in 8 turns!
http://www.gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?/20140916/log.514b28bee4b0b79c883b5a60.1410901951010.txt
This isn't a dominion isotropic log :'(
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I did it! Won the game in 8 turns!
http://www.gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?/20140916/log.514b28bee4b0b79c883b5a60.1410901951010.txt
This isn't a dominion isotropic log :'(
Considering how slow Goko is compared to Isotropic, it's even more impressive!
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I did it! Won the game in 8 turns!
http://www.gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?/20140916/log.514b28bee4b0b79c883b5a60.1410901951010.txt
This isn't a dominion isotropic log :'(
Considering how slow Goko is compared to Isotropic, it's even more impressive!
I was referring to the subforum you're in, along with the year and a half thread you revived...
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I did it! Won the game in 8 turns!
http://www.gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?/20140916/log.514b28bee4b0b79c883b5a60.1410901951010.txt
This isn't a dominion isotropic log :'(
Considering how slow Goko is compared to Isotropic, it's even more impressive!
I was referring to the subforum you're in, along with the year and a half thread you revived...
Well, it's not my fault the most appropriate thread for it was here.
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For some reason whenever someone necro's a thread I always think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihEhsdwiIk
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I did it! Won the game in 8 turns!
http://www.gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?/20140916/log.514b28bee4b0b79c883b5a60.1410901951010.txt
This isn't a dominion isotropic log :'(
Considering how slow Goko is compared to Isotropic, it's even more impressive!
I was referring to the subforum you're in, along with the year and a half thread you revived...
Well, it is an attention-whoring thread. If any sort of thread should get necroed, one that calls attention to itself should...
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Of course, there is the new attention-whoring thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9468.0).