Classic stream-of-consciousness reread coming up.
We start with a bunch of RVS, pretty predictable. Seprix tries some setup talk with this post:
This game is going to get very meta, by the way. Scum won't want to be together, since if they die, the scumpartner might die as well.
which iguana shuts down straight away. I think I've come to agree with iguana on that point, that kind of setup chat should be kept to a minimum. It's largely stuff people can figure out anyway.
Not sure of the point of this post:
Scum also reads the set-up, as they have to look more proactive as town.
and I don't agree with it. Reading the setup is not a scumtell and never has been.
Faust kicks straight off with useful contributions, as we've come to expect:
Actually delaying information until the correct time to reveal it is always the best play, and we often do not observe that on this forum.
The guy know his stuff.
For example, I don't think lovers should be revealed unless they would otherwise be lynched. So like, 1 day before deadline (I don't think there will be a majority lynch).
Speed Dating Mafia
you must vote together.
Does this mean that both players need to be voting for the same person for their votes to count, or that whenever either player votes, it changes the vote for both of the players?
I could interpret this as scum looking for an edge when it comes to vote-control. But that would probably be a stretch.
So ced could be a GreyICE type.
But he hasn't posted any faux readslists or been overly aggressive. Hmmm.
I don't understand these posts. Seprix makes a lot of posts I don't think make a lot of sense. Someone in Fruit Ninja called him "clueless town", and there's something to that. His recent posts give a good idea of what I mean. How could you possibly have missed all of that discussion, Seprix? I got it, and I was hardly around at the time.
RR is a crazy person trying to be normal
Joseph is a normal person trying to be crazy.
I solved it!
SS making the sense, even though this is a joke.
Shortly after, though, faust and silver both vote RR for no explained reason. It doesn't seem to be an RVS vote either. I'm not sure I like it. RR hadn't been anything other than his usual self, up til then. They could be seeing something I don't see though; I can't read RR lately.
Vote: Roadrunner
vote: faust
Apparently ADK agrees with me. Townpoints for him.
(OK, so apparently this was some kind of clever plan from faust and silver to foster interaction. Forget I said anything, I guess)
Then guff about how to spell colour. I actually think this post
Vote: RR, for turning our QT into an argument about British & American English.
Also, colour is the better way to spell it.
Color is clearly the better way to spell it, and it is also faster to type. I don't know why voting against your own lover has been a thing today, but it's not helping anyone.
would be pretty scummy coming from most people, it looks like an attempt to distract from serious discussion. But, eh. It's Seprix, I kinda expect it based on last game.
Silver and Awaclus carry on with it. Awaclus I expect it from, silver looks a bit scummy for it.
Scum feels pressure to have strong reads, lest they attract suspicion. Casually admitting that you don't have reads is therefore towny.
I might tentatively agree if it wasn't in RVS. My vote was not on RR because he "admitted to not having reads", but for stating the obvious. It's empty posting, and empty posting is not great.
Admitting he doesn't have any reads is less empty than the RVS that keeps happening against all reason.
Vote: Awaclus
It feels so good, it feels so right...
Pulling this game back into RVS is not the way to go, man.
I like this post from ADK.
It's not a random vote. It's voting Awaclus for perpetuating a discussion that does nothing to advance our game state. I don't think Joseph was scummy for starting it, but I do think that for Awaclus, acting this way is trying to imitate his meta.
I agree with Faust for the majority of this post, except I don't think Awa is imitating here. I think this is just his meta.
It's not a random vote. It's voting Awaclus for perpetuating a discussion that does nothing to advance our game state. I don't think Joseph was scummy for starting it, but I do think that for Awaclus, acting this way is trying to imitate his meta.
That's not my meta, that's my personality. I don't have to try to imitate it.
I disagree that your personality would tend towards "perpetuating a discussion that does nothing to advance our game state." My read on your personality is that you do not participate in discussions in games unless you believe they advance your win-con.
Am I wrong?
I also disagree that you've said anything that looks like "trying to imitate your meta," except possibly this last post.
Agree with iguana entirely here.
Speaking of which, I wasn't expecting you to overtly show suspicion of silverspawn, especially not after I've called you on it. I'm interested in what exactly brought you to say what you did in e.g. #134 (i.e. that you think the second vote is worse than the first).
It's kinda a mafia "common wisdom" that the second vote is scummier than the first, as in it's easier to hop on a wagon than to create one. By such logic, ADK should be voting for silver over me. He's not, and I want to know why.
Faust is COMPLETELY wrong here. The common wisdom doesn't apply at all in a game where two people's votes are tied together. In this instance, silver's vote following faust is in fact less scummy than faust's original vote. I do not expect someone like faust to miss something like that. Then again, this:
I do not at all agree with the faust case. The initial vote seems like something town!faust does. And this:
See, here's the disconnect: you're suspicious of ADK for going for you over silverspawn, because you believe silver's second vote is scummier than yours. Yet you aren't suspicious of silverspawn for said vote in the first place. It all feels very "why me?", like you were hoping for silver to catch more flak for his vote than he did.
That would be legit if the context was different. But fact is that faust's original post was in response to ADK's logic:
Also, if I know it's a bad vote, then why would I place it as scum?
You should know it's a bad vote, then.
And silverspawn's vote is bad too but you made yours first.
I don't get what you're trying to say with that first sentence.
And does that mean that the second vote is better than the first? I always thought it was the other way around. Maybe I've been gone for too long.
And then he only said this:
It's kinda a mafia "common wisdom" that the second vote is scummier than the first, as in it's easier to hop on a wagon than to create one. By such logic, ADK should be voting for silver over me. He's not, and I want to know why.
after you asked him on it specifically. So it only feels "why me" because you manipulated in this way, which by the way is a really scummy thing to do. vote: ced
is a pretty good point to counter that argument.
Voting for reactions is scummy at most points in the game. It's not scummy when you're still in RVS.
I know that you do it and have seen you do it (as town) and am comfortable with that. I just think that from Faust it feels more forced/contrived/what have you and he does seem off here.
It's not like this Faust wagon is the end all be all of this day (That would be pretty stupid, putting a wagon on a strong player and then just killing him 10 pages into the game before we look at anyone else) but putting pressure here is a good thing. Now we have a wagon to analyze.
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I do join you in expressing skepticism toward my speed dating partner, though. I have been feeling the ever-so-slightest tinges of buddying from him.
I DO NOT LIKE this post.
Jimmm still popping in from time to time, nothing to say there.
Ok going to reread everything, didn't get to RVS, so vote: Witherweaver
is scummy.
But he then makes some good reread posts, so eh.
This:
That was one major setup for a townslip 
is a big old ball of WIFOM. I'm actually not sure whether town!faust is more likely to make this post naturally or scum!faust make it for WIFOM purposes.
One thing I've learned from playing a lot of town games is that scum loves to scumread me...
Huh. I sympathise with this.
So I could go back to Awaclus, but that doesn't really do anything to advance the game state, now does it? I feel like Seprix has been somewhat scummy so far. Let's vote: Seprix and see if I can back that feeling up somehow.
Ewwwwwwww. This is not the faust I know.
He doesn't stick to it though. So, OK.
Then faust and Awaclus have a big old argument, which looks pretty townclashy to me.
Seprix, ADK and faust have some argument which looks towny from all of them.
So, iguana responds to my case on him. His response is decent, but I don't like the inconsistency between the first and last sentences of his post.
Oh hai Haddock. We have some misunderstandings with each other here. Let's deal with them.
...
Are you and ced both scum then, and in which order ought we kill you?
"Misunderstanding" implies that he thinks I'm town and wants to sort out some disagreement. The last sentence is a blatant attempt to paint me (and ced? Huh?) as scummy. I could see the wording of the first sentence arising as a result of his knowing I'm town.
vote: iguana
Vote: iguana
Even more terrible, terrible votes. If you're playing like Awaclus, you're playing like scum.
I mean, my reaction to Haddock was pretty terrible. I could see how someone would read it and think that it came from scum.
This is a towny post for igu.
Faust and Awaclus have more arguments. Still looking townclashy.
Oh hey, I like this Joseph wagon.
Vote: Joseph2302
Let's see where it goes.
Now we know Joseph is likely town, this looks scummy.
I quite like ced's read post, even though I disagree with him about Seprix.
Seprix's posts 450-452 are pretty decent, actually. Better than his usual stuff. But then he is very very wrong about faust's question. And vocal about it. Actually scum probably isn't that vocal about it.
RR, stop the RVS.
Stop the buddying with obvious! scum!
We, as a town, will not take this! I'm going to make big deals with scum! And by big deals, I mean I will crush them like the Marauder crushed the Library!
I could paint this as RR trying to imitate his meta. Maybe. But the rest of his game has been very natural. Still think he's town.
I've commented already about most of the recent stuff.
This is going to be a very long post I expect. I'll summarise the current state of my reads in the next post. But the one thing I wanted to say here:
Faust actually doesn't come off as towny overall as I expected that he would. But the townslip feels natural, so he's still town.
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