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[Seprix]

Sorry, I'm planning a stream, and have been busy with college. I don't have much to say in all honesty at the moment. Mail-mi still seems like a good lynch.

Do you have any opinions on a pacovf lynch?

Not really. Null for him so far.

[skip wooznum]

I will give some thoughts tonight.

When is this happening? What's pacovf's time zone situation?

[pacovf]

Ok, I am back to my computer. Let's see what has been going on.

Things that stand out to me:

The whole WW thing: when rereading, I think he is genuine. While his original comment was sort of weird, I like the answer he gave when asked to explain his thought process about skip's original post, I think it is very towny. I don't agree with his vote on Teproc though, it just feels like Teproc being Teproc. Although the case on WW seems a bit too flimsy for Teproc to be pushing it so hard, so I am a bit wary.

I don't like a single thing chairs has done this game, like, at all. Not sure if it's just crazy!chairs or scum!chairs.

UoS has been stupendous all the way until now, I am definitely not lynching him today. I am bit worried by how on-tune UoS and Teproc seem to be, though.

I still want to lynch Mail-mi:

What are your thoughts on WW in the WW-Teproc argument?

Nullish/scummy. I think Teproc comes out as more scummy, but I can definitely see WW being scum in this situation.

Can we please lynch Mail-mi?

Let's standy-out for me:

skip seems super paranoid of everything and everyone. I think that is more characteristic of newbie town than newbie scum, so towny on him.

Hydrad seems... relaxed. Food for thought.

We need more activity here. vote: pacovf, he hasn't received much scrutiny and has been doing a good job of blending in.

Ha, I see you've gotten your hand on the Markov-chain Text Generating script! Cool!

ADK is throwing suspicion everywhere, maybe looking for what sticks? That looks scummy to me, but I might be biased because I am the latest object of his attentions.


Huh, about anyone else... Joseph is the IC, Awaclus has been super-lurking, and I am not fine with that, and I haven't formed an opinion on Seprix yet.


So people I would vote for: Mail-mi, chairs, ADK, Awaclus, maybe Seprix, maaaaaaaybe Teproc.

[pacovf]

I will give some thoughts tonight.

When is this happening? What's pacovf's time zone situation?

I had to take care of some stuff before rereading.

[Hydrad]

Ok I changed my mind. Even though I want to see WW lynched day 1 sometime I don't think this is the right game for it.

I havn't thought to much about mail-mi for some reason.

everyone seems to say hes scummy but I'm not sure if I just haven't been paying enough attention or not but it hasn't stuck out to me much yet.

Vote: awaclus for now. more of a placeholder vote.

[skip wooznum]

I guess I can do a mail-mi lynch, though I'm not sure how much I'm being influenced by everyone else, or how bad it is if that's what's happening.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.5

UmbrageOfSnow (1): skip wooznum
Seprix (1): Awaclus
Witherweaver (3): UmbrageOfSnow, Teproc, Joseph2302
pacovf (1): A Drowned Kernel
mail-mi (3): pacovf, Seprix, chairs
Awaclus (1): Hydrad
Teproc (2): Witherweaver, mail-mi

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends on June 28, 3 PM forum time.

[Joseph2302]

Ok I changed my mind. Even though I want to see WW lynched day 1 sometime I don't think this is the right game for it.

I havn't thought to much about mail-mi for some reason.

everyone seems to say hes scummy but I'm not sure if I just haven't been paying enough attention or not but it hasn't stuck out to me much yet.

Vote: awaclus for now. more of a placeholder vote.

I'm not seeing the mail-mi lynch reasons either, what's the actual case? Unless the case is something liek "he's playing differently to how he does as town" (which I wouldn't know), then seems like a weak case to me.

[skip wooznum]

As for right now, I like chairs' argument for teproc. vote: teproc

also, chairs doesn't even like chairs' argument for teproc.

[mail-mi]

As for right now, I like chairs' argument for teproc. vote: teproc

also, chairs doesn't even like chairs' argument for teproc.

Doesn't mean I don't.

Sorry I've been gone, I just got an internship where I get to dress up as an alien and shoot little children with fake guns, so that's taken up a lot of my time. I'll be here later today, so ask questions and I'll get to answering them.

[Teproc]

Don't like the mail-mi lynch. He's null to me, and it seems like the kind of wagon that no one will be held accountable for. "Meh, he wasn't very active, it was worth a shot". That kinf of day 1 lynch, when it doesn't work out (because obviously if it does it's still great), basically means we start the game down 2 townies with nothing but a few night actions to go on.

[pacovf]

Huh? I am not voting for him because he isn't very active. Otherwise I would be voting for Awaclus.

Sorry I've been gone, I just got an internship where I get to dress up as an alien and shoot little children with fake guns, so that's taken up a lot of my time. I'll be here later today, so ask questions and I'll get to answering them.

With that sort of internship, I am surprised you are spending any amount of time on this game!

[Teproc]

Right but the case isn't much more than that, it's about him hedging and having content-light votes... in other words, you want to lynch him for what he does every game. Which, granted, it fits scum!mail-mi too, so you have a chance of hitting scum, but I tend to think mail-mi is someone you catch with interactions, otherwise you just lynch him every game since his scum meta is basically indistinguishable from his town meta.

[chairs]

ooo can I get my cutie mark in craziness?

[Joseph2302]

ooo can I get my cutie mark in craziness?
Pink is my colour, stop stealing it.

[Joseph2302]

ooo can I get my cutie mark in craziness?

Pink is my colour, stop stealing it

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I buy this, actually. Teproc and mail-mi are probably either both town or both scum.

Hey ADK, so I get why if Teproc flips scum that makes Mail-mi likely scum, and why if Mail-mi flips scum that could make Teproc/WW more likely to be scum, but if Mail-mi or Teproc flip town, why does that make the other more likely town?

[Teproc]

See, this is the kind of discussion that, while theoretically interesting, doesn't really get us anywhere right now.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

See, this is the kind of discussion that, while theoretically interesting, doesn't really get us anywhere right now.

I'm rereading and it stood out to me.  And I'm not asking for theory reasons.  What discussion would you rather be having?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Awaclus and WW, you guys haven't weighed in on the Mail-mi wagon.  What do you think of it?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I guess I can do a mail-mi lynch, though I'm not sure how much I'm being influenced by everyone else, or how bad it is if that's what's happening.

I really don't like this.  Mail-mi has 3 votes, we have a week left, the case on Mail-mi is pretty thin.

Previously Skip said,

And I didn't read mail-mi's post as a defense, more of a question posed to adk to see what explanation would be given.

And he was explicitly not finding Mail-mi scummy over his RVS voting and unvoting at the time.

So being okay with the Mail-mi lynch is because of Mail-mi voting teproc (who Skip has a couple of times found scummy) based on Chair's trap, which Chairs isn't so behind anymore.  And because 3 other people are voting Mail-mi.

So maybe it's newbtown sheeping, but when it comes to questioning me or not getting on the WW wagon Skip has shown an admirable lack of sheeping.  And in his post where he lends support to the Mail-mi wagon (without voting) he lays the groundwork for the "maybe I'm just newbtown being influenced" defense.  But he doesn't question it, and he was absolutely questioning the rest of us back with

Meh im not feeling the ww wagon, though I should probably cast a real vote sooner rather than later. I'll decide today sometime.

So yeah, Vote: Skip

[Teproc]

It's a strong case. I don't like lynching new players on day 1 though. I'm not saying it's a universal rule or anything, just that I don't like it and would rather avoid it.

Also WW is scum, probably, so let's just lynch him.

I will do a reread in the somewhat near future, see if I have anything more productive to say.

[Awaclus]

Awaclus and WW, you guys haven't weighed in on the Mail-mi wagon.  What do you think of it?

Not a huge fan of it, but I could do it if there's nothing better. I think it's better than WW at least.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It's a strong case. I don't like lynching new players on day 1 though. I'm not saying it's a universal rule or anything, just that I don't like it and would rather avoid it.

Also WW is scum, probably, so let's just lynch him.

I will do a reread in the somewhat near future, see if I have anything more productive to say.

I am absolutely still happy lynching WW.

PPE: Awaclus, why is Mail-mi better than WW?

[pacovf]

Prprprpr... let's go over Mail-mi's most relevant posts.

unvote

Hydrad seems like good old Hydrad.

This is an unvote on a RVS. The whole point of this post is "Hey guys I am active", and nothing else. You decide who is more likely to do this, scum or town.

I think I like vote: skip wooznum at the moment.

Why? He doesn't seem particularly scummy or townie to me right now.

I know this is reading between the lines, but this does not look to me like "I don't understand", but like "I am challenging your vote". He could have commented on any number of things that were happening back then, but he commented on this.

I think Teproc and WW are of the same alignment. Whether that's town or scum, I don't know.

And for what it's worth, if only one of Teproc/WW is scum, i think it would be Teproc, for the same reason as chairs.

Also, I think chairs is town and won't lynch him today.

As for right now, I like chairs' argument for teproc. vote: teproc

Nullish/scummy. I think Teproc comes out as more scummy, but I can definitely see WW being scum in this situation.

Notice the evolution of mail-mi's opinion on the WW/teproc argument. He just wants both of them lynched, and as the day progresses, he moves towards Teproc as he notices that WW is going to be an easy lynch later... while letting everyone know that he still wants WW lynched, in case Teproc doesn't end up happening.

Right but the case isn't much more than that, it's about him hedging and having content-light votes... in other words, you want to lynch him for what he does every game. Which, granted, it fits scum!mail-mi too, so you have a chance of hitting scum, but I tend to think mail-mi is someone you catch with interactions, otherwise you just lynch him every game since his scum meta is basically indistinguishable from his town meta.

Right, I see what you mean, but I don't trust you enough (yet?) to just change my vote on an appeal-to-meta. Similarly, I won't be voting for WW today (unless weird things happen), so what can I do.

I notice you mention that you could see a skip or Awaclus lynch. I'm not sold on skip. I don't see why you are against a Mail-mi lynch but for an Awaclus one. It's the sort of non-accountable wagon you were complaining about for Mail-mi.

ooo can I get my cutie mark in craziness?

Well, you can get either that or the cutie mark in scuminess, not both. You have to choose!

Warning, this might be a trick question.


PPE: case on skip.