Reread shraeye. I continue to find MiX scummy even after his flip, so hammering him I think is null.
However I'm not convinced by shraeye's read on raerae. This seems to be his main case on her:
Raerae is scum for not engaging until I fought back at her. Raerae is always good at the back and forth, but scum raerae is not good at engaging with nobody responding to her.
Townrae is great at digging up stuff and needling away at threads.
Note how her score keeps going down bit by bit as she continued to not engage
The first sentence makes little sense to me. How can you have a "back and forth" if nobody's responding? Seems like a handwavy case that people might just accept because of course shraeye knows how raerae plays.
shraeye is correct that his raerae scores have strictly decreased up until this point. I'm getting a premeditated vibe from this, as if the whole point of the point system was to reduce raerae's score over time and then make this meta argument. Let's follow these scores and see how much sense they make.
Vote: shraeye
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raerae
+2
raerae gets an initial score of +2 for an RVS/meme vote. Seems like an easy 2 points, but sure.
@faust, thoughts and feelings on MiX claiming the sun thing?
@shraeye, do you think everybody should flavor name claim or just you cuz you're a special flower?
@faust, thoughts and feelings on MiX claiming the sun thing?
I don't think revealing how I feel about this is beneficial at this point.
Ahhhhh, so cryptic, I loave it. Do you believe it's harmful? Or are you just being sly?
In either of those cases, why would I answer this question?
Because you were complaining nobody was around last night and we're both here now so I thought I'd try to make some conversation. I will absolutely avoid asking you questions you don't want to answer in the future.
I don't mean to be difficult. Just keep in mind that if I expressed that I am unwilling to discuss a certain subject, then prodding me further in that direction is unlikely to yield results.
We can absolutely converse though. For instance, is your vote still RVS? Have you developed any reads so far?
Mostly RVS with a healthy dose of 'shraeye is always scum' mindset mixed in. No reads so far. I'm interested in what people think about shraeye's flavor name claim (honestly I just like saying that) but the lack of reaction to it is interesting too.
How about you? I feel like faust doesn't RVS so why am I scum? Where's everybody else rank on the bad guy list?
How about you? I feel like faust doesn't RVS so why am I scum?
I know this one: It's because you got a PM saying that!
Also opening with the dead "shraeye is always scum" meme is boring, predictable and exactly what scum!raerae would do. And you addressed a question to me; the towny reason to ask people random questions is to get them to engage, and really I am the last person you need to draw into the game, so I can only suspect there's an ulterior motive behind that.
Where's everybody else rank on the bad guy list?
Below you. I don't think my other reads are at the level where sharing them is useful right now.
It's also exactly what town!raerae would do as evidenced by every other game I've played except the one where he was mod-confirmed town to me. So I'm just going to call that a crappy argument. As far as addressing you, I did it because I thought you'd have something to say and we're close enough to the same time zone for once so why not take advantage of that? But let's play for a minute, what is my sneaky evil motive for asking you questions? Am I just supposed to ignore you some you don't need to be prompted to join the game? That's also silly.
raerae
+0
So two questions and this exchange with faust has removed raerae's points. If anyone's not engaging here it's faust for not answering raerae's questions (which is probably reasonable). But there is back and forth, resulting in raerae labelling faust's argument as "crappy". Seems like she's engaging just fine.
Why would scum quickhammer themselves?
Is MiX still the easy D1 lunch?
raerae
-2
I fail to see what raerae is not engaging with that is costing her points. She was voted for by LL for voting shraeye every game, but I'm not sure that's really worth responding to.
Hey, raerae, do you have anything to offer besides RVS votes?
Naw, still cool with it considering he hasn't said anything other than arbitrary numbers and a half-promise about a flavor name claim. I could move to MiX probably but I'm fine where I am for now.
I suppose this is the post that the "not engaging" is responding to? I don't know, not offering a strong case is different than refusing to engage.
"want to say my flavor name"
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Majority of scum clearly in the nonresponse group (which includes MiX). Not just because that side has more people.
Definitely not clear. Care to expand on why that's so obvious? Seems like you got some insider info, friend.
The "insider info" comment (ie "you must be scum to know this") is neither here nor there, but otherwise this seems to be a sensible question. Scum have fake flavour names, so as far as I know no one should have any preferences regarding flavour name claims (apart from it being a waste of time and space).
All fire, no substance. This isn't townrae.
raerae
-9
So these two posts earned raerae an extra -7. There's not a heck of a lot of fire, and having little substance is fairly standard for Day 1.
All fire, no substance. This isn't townrae.
So just not answering questions then? Super cool.
I'm staying here and nominate shraeye as the alternate wagon.
The first question (re flavor names) was legitimate, but not one I'm answering.
The second one (#218, "explain what's so clear, looks like you have insider info") was provacative and meaningless.
Disagree, you looked at two groups of people and said there was very clearly more scum in one than another. That isn't clear to me. Why would you think scum wouldn't engage? Help me understand your thought process otherwise it just looks like you're throwing shade for fun with nothing behind it. Was I sassier than necessary? Yes. Does that invalidate my question? No.
raerae asking a "provocative and meaningless" question is not particularly unusual. I'm fairly sure it's not worth the conclusion "This isn't townrae".
So at this point this whole thing from shraeye seems like a planned attempt to build a case against raerae. I don't agree with his reasons for reducing her points over time or for the big jump down to -9. I think he presented a confusing case that is easy for people to just accept because he knows her so well.
But then his long built-up scumread on raerae just disappears.
I start with shraeye, still haven't got answer to
All fire, no substance. This isn't townrae.
What happened to this read? It sounds pretty sure
and also don't see him at all participating in D2 and after D1 weird hammer.
Are you curious about where my raerae read is at? Or are you making a point that I don't understand?
raerae
+1
shreaye is clearly aware that his "raerae read" is significant, but seems hesitant to comment on it, and instead of answering a clear question about it (asked twice), he simply gives his list, in which raerae suddenly has +1.
So, shraeye, what happened? Who exactly was raerae not engaging with, and what changed her from your biggest scum read to a slight Town read? Or was the whole thing faked from the start?
(sorry for the wall of text)
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