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[faust]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

It was towny while I thought it was a claim, it got scummy as he made it into another "joke"

Let me get this straight: You thought that RR has a role that makes him know exactly how many scum there are?

[Awaclus]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

It was towny while I thought it was a claim, it got scummy as he made it into another "joke"

Let me get this straight: You thought that RR has a role that makes him know exactly how many scum there are?

I mean, I did think that he was claiming that at first.

[Awaclus]

Would have been a pretty good claim too, he could have said that the first joke was breadcrumbing.

[faust]

vote: RR. the first joke was towny, the second one is scummy.

This quote does not fit with what silver said above... If you say "the first joke was towny", then it seems you are saying that it was towny as a joke, and not as something you believe to be a claim. Can you please clarify what you mean?

[faust]

I guess it's just confusing to me how people would think that, and to me it seems more likely to be believed as such by a person who knows that the information is accurate.

[silverspawn]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

It was towny while I thought it was a claim, it got scummy as he made it into another "joke"

Let me get this straight: You thought that RR has a role that makes him know exactly how many scum there are?

Well, when RR first said he knew how many scum there are and then said it was a joke, I think that was nullishish maybe 1/2 town points, when he said it again I thought he was serious which would be towny, but joking again is eh.

[SpaceAnemone]

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

Is this what people are scumreading?

I do feel like RR has been a bit odd. He opened with a vote on our IC, and seems to be drawing out this "exactly three scums" thing in a very odd manner. Either he has no setup information and is making a really bad joke, or he has extra information as town (in which case why not just imply it's something his role knows, instead of pretending it's some kind of joke?), or he's scum and knows how many partners he has.

Are the people who read RR better than I do really sure he's being townie?

Odd != scummy.

Yes, and I chose my word carefully for that reason.

Why would scum ever want to vote for the IC?

The reason that comes readily to mind is that they realise they need to be seen as a bit wacky this game to cover scumslips, and start the play accordingly. Granted, that's a level of planning that I don't necessarily ascribe to RR just now, but it's certainly a motivation.

Once you realize that the answer to this can only be "to emulate their town play", you should ralize that it may just as well be their town play.

I was under the impression that RR tracks his perceived meta and mixes is up a bit from game to game anyway, which means this kind of justification doesn't work so well.

I guess I'm only making these points to express frustration, and to express that I don't think it's very justifiable to scumread people who've decided to use RR's weird behaviour as a reason to vote.

[iguanaiguana]

Jake, Dylan, Space, J Reggie, Ash, Awaclus are all lurky.

Awaclus lurking and joke posting is normal.
Early game Ash lurking is not unusual. I want to see more content from the others.

Commenting on the Roadrunner non-situation shouldn't count as ccontributing- that is how scum can easily hide with meaningless contributions.

Those are my only thoughts.  Nothing else to go off of yet from my perspective at least.

Edit: space just posted something.

[iguanaiguana]

Sorry I forgot the PPE acronym so I used edit instead.

[Eevee]

Iguana seems towny.

[faust]

Space is mildly towny.

I guess I'm only making these points to express frustration, and to express that I don't think it's very justifiable to scumread people who've decided to use RR's weird behaviour as a reason to vote.

You are frustrated with RR? Or with me?

I think it's possible to get information on alignment form the way people reacted to the RR thing, and it confuses me that you disagree.

[faust]

Dylan's absence after becoming to main wagon is... notable.

[Eevee]

Dylan's absence after becoming to main wagon is... notable.

What could it mean?

Agree with you about Space. I've never been good at reading RR though, somehow not getting very strong feelings about this.

[faust]

Dylan's absence after becoming to main wagon is... notable.

What could it mean?

Probably nothing. It could be trying to keep a low profile until people move elsewhere, but as far as I can tell, he has just been absent from the forums in general.

[ashersky]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

[Eevee]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

That might be a fun gamble. Could really hurt us, or really work out well.

[J Reggie]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

That seems wasteful.

[Awaclus]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

That raises the question: why do we keep talking about it if the conclusion is always that we won't do it?

[Roadrunner7671]

I was under the impression that RR tracks his perceived meta and mixes is up a bit from game to game anyway

You make me laugh SA 

[Roadrunner7671]

Commenting on the Roadrunner non-situation shouldn't count as ccontributing- that is how scum can easily hide with meaningless contributions.

I completely agree, which is actually sort of why I didn't say anything after my most recent 'joke.'

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I dislike the idea of a no lynch since it's a big game. What reasons would there be to do one?

[faust]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

Well I never tak about it.

Also the fact that we have an IC makes no lynch even worse.

[ashersky]

I dislike the idea of a no lynch since it's a big game. What reasons would there be to do one?

The usual arguments for are that RMMs are about nights, so having a night before the game "starts" is generally more beneficial.

Even numbers means we can "afford" a day without a lynch without affecting LYLO.

Having an IC can change this if we think he's just the NK tonight.

[ashersky]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

Well I never tak about it.

Also the fact that we have an IC makes no lynch even worse.

An IC who has worse reads than everyone (by default) and isn't interested in the game does not make no lynch worse.  I think it'd be the best scenario where we have day start with the IC gone and a night's worth of results.

[Eevee]

I think losing gkrieg would be a big loss for us. Makes me less interested in the no lynch.