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[Cuzz]

L-2 I think (modquest: slightly more frequent vote counts please?)

New plan for if I end up as default lynch: people voting for me provide a 2 sentence explanation as to why (TWM has done so already), so that town has something to analyze when I flip town. From your perspective this should be a protown thing to do information-wise even if I flip scum (spoiler alert: I won't). Tomorrow, lynch anyone who refuses to do so (except Dylan).

So far QS, E, and, annoyingly, Dylan have given nothing to go with their vote.

If you're thinking anyone's lack of justification might have something to do with an investigative result on me, do remember to ditch that theory when I flip town.

I find it unreasonable for you to have some of the stances/pushes that you have demonstrated as someone with a Town mindset. I came to this conclusion after rereading a few people. TWM's case has substance, it just isn't articulated very well.

Can you elaborate?

[QuickSync]

L-2 I think (modquest: slightly more frequent vote counts please?)

New plan for if I end up as default lynch: people voting for me provide a 2 sentence explanation as to why (TWM has done so already), so that town has something to analyze when I flip town. From your perspective this should be a protown thing to do information-wise even if I flip scum (spoiler alert: I won't). Tomorrow, lynch anyone who refuses to do so (except Dylan).

So far QS, E, and, annoyingly, Dylan have given nothing to go with their vote.

If you're thinking anyone's lack of justification might have something to do with an investigative result on me, do remember to ditch that theory when I flip town.

I find it unreasonable for you to have some of the stances/pushes that you have demonstrated as someone with a Town mindset. I came to this conclusion after rereading a few people. TWM's case has substance, it just isn't articulated very well.

Can you elaborate?

Why should I have to elaborate? You asked for 2 sentences, I gave you 3.

[QuickSync]

BTW Cuzz is repping VT so if he claims a PR, I am not going to buy it for a second.

[Dylan32]

Unvote from Cuzz.  Just reread him, and his "strong suspicion" that TWM is hung up on was specifically that there was a scum between IDPTG and luckat, not that it was on IDPTG specifically, which is what I was thinking until I checked.  Personally, I buy the town-incorrectly-reading-Robz (pretty easy to do) narrative more than the flaked-on-voting-a-partner narrative at the moment. More evidence could possibly shift me back, but not the current line of reasoning.

PPE 1

[Dylan32]

L-2 I think (modquest: slightly more frequent vote counts please?)

New plan for if I end up as default lynch: people voting for me provide a 2 sentence explanation as to why (TWM has done so already), so that town has something to analyze when I flip town. From your perspective this should be a protown thing to do information-wise even if I flip scum (spoiler alert: I won't). Tomorrow, lynch anyone who refuses to do so (except Dylan).

So far QS, E, and, annoyingly, Dylan have given nothing to go with their vote.

If you're thinking anyone's lack of justification might have something to do with an investigative result on me, do remember to ditch that theory when I flip town.

I find it unreasonable for you to have some of the stances/pushes that you have demonstrated as someone with a Town mindset. I came to this conclusion after rereading a few people. TWM's case has substance, it just isn't articulated very well.

Can you elaborate?

Why should I have to elaborate? You asked for 2 sentences, I gave you 3.

Only one of your sentences actually had substance. Cool, you reread some people and like TWM's case. I would like to hear specifics about what stances you didn't think would come from town mindset.

[Cuzz]

L-2 I think (modquest: slightly more frequent vote counts please?)

New plan for if I end up as default lynch: people voting for me provide a 2 sentence explanation as to why (TWM has done so already), so that town has something to analyze when I flip town. From your perspective this should be a protown thing to do information-wise even if I flip scum (spoiler alert: I won't). Tomorrow, lynch anyone who refuses to do so (except Dylan).

So far QS, E, and, annoyingly, Dylan have given nothing to go with their vote.

If you're thinking anyone's lack of justification might have something to do with an investigative result on me, do remember to ditch that theory when I flip town.

I find it unreasonable for you to have some of the stances/pushes that you have demonstrated as someone with a Town mindset. I came to this conclusion after rereading a few people. TWM's case has substance, it just isn't articulated very well.

Can you elaborate?

Why should I have to elaborate? You asked for 2 sentences, I gave you 3.

I never claimed that you didn't fulfill the initial request. But nevertheless your response leaves me wondering what are the "some of the stances" that you're referring to so I chose to ask for a little follow up.

You spent the last couple pages defending me and calling TWM's case on me "asinine" so I am naturally curious as to what exactly made you change your mind.

The only new information in the time since you were defending me was my back and forth with TWM. Yet you claim your change of heart is not because of anything I said in response to the case on me, but because of my reads, which are not new. So I do think some elaboration would be helpful to anyone trying to understand where you're coming from.

Ppe: ic

[QuickSync]

Unvote from Cuzz.  Just reread him, and his "strong suspicion" that TWM is hung up on was specifically that there was a scum between IDPTG and luckat, not that it was on IDPTG specifically, which is what I was thinking until I checked.  Personally, I buy the town-incorrectly-reading-Robz (pretty easy to do) narrative more than the flaked-on-voting-a-partner narrative at the moment. More evidence could possibly shift me back, but not the current line of reasoning.

PPE 1

If it was JUST the Robz/IDP thing, I'd be inclined to agree. But IMO, its not.

To me its like this: One poor read/push, whatever. Stack them up and it begins to paint a different story. Cuzz's "scum hunting" looks good as a once over, but its pretty underperforming and obvious when placed under scrutiny.

Have I even asked any questions yet this game? I forget 

[QuickSync]

L-2 I think (modquest: slightly more frequent vote counts please?)

New plan for if I end up as default lynch: people voting for me provide a 2 sentence explanation as to why (TWM has done so already), so that town has something to analyze when I flip town. From your perspective this should be a protown thing to do information-wise even if I flip scum (spoiler alert: I won't). Tomorrow, lynch anyone who refuses to do so (except Dylan).

So far QS, E, and, annoyingly, Dylan have given nothing to go with their vote.

If you're thinking anyone's lack of justification might have something to do with an investigative result on me, do remember to ditch that theory when I flip town.

I find it unreasonable for you to have some of the stances/pushes that you have demonstrated as someone with a Town mindset. I came to this conclusion after rereading a few people. TWM's case has substance, it just isn't articulated very well.

Can you elaborate?

Why should I have to elaborate? You asked for 2 sentences, I gave you 3.

I never claimed that you didn't fulfill the initial request. But nevertheless your response leaves me wondering what are the "some of the stances" that you're referring to so I chose to ask for a little follow up.

You spent the last couple pages defending me and calling TWM's case on me "asinine" so I am naturally curious as to what exactly made you change your mind.

The only new information in the time since you were defending me was my back and forth with TWM. Yet you claim your change of heart is not because of anything I said in response to the case on me, but because of my reads, which are not new. So I do think some elaboration would be helpful to anyone trying to understand where you're coming from.

Ppe: ic

Your problem is that I reread some people, not that I was analyzing the same thing with the same eyes.

[Cuzz]

Awesome. Thanks for the clarification.

More follow up: Do these people you reread have names or anything? I assume you're referring to people in this game but that only narrows it down so much.

[QuickSync]

Awesome. Thanks for the clarification.

More follow up: Do these people you reread have names or anything? I assume you're referring to people in this game but that only narrows it down so much.

Well, who do you remember pushing and what reads do you remember having?

[Cuzz]

Awesome. Thanks for the clarification.

More follow up: Do these people you reread have names or anything? I assume you're referring to people in this game but that only narrows it down so much.

Well, who do you remember pushing and what reads do you remember having?

I was mainly suspicious of TWM and Robz. I voted for both of them but ultimately decided Robz was a higher scumread, and thought TWM was potentially annoyed town lashing out. I also expressed suspicion on those I considered the biggest lurkers, originally QS, luckat, and IDP, later reduced to just luckat and IDP because I was getting some townvibes from QS.

[Dylan32]

So QS was pretty firmly town reading Cuzz the whole game, e.g.

I'm now back to thinking this might be a bastard game, since some players appear to have a post restriction which forbids them from justifying their votes.

I don't see Scum saying this almost ever.

This is strange:

Good call.  If we lynch mafia today, I think the Vig could consider shooting, maybe TWMing it.

Shoot me? Shooooot meee?

Doesn't look like these two are teamed unless its an act and its kinda OTT for an act.

Then later:

Good call.  If we lynch mafia today, I think the Vig could consider shooting, maybe TWMing it.

Horrible idea. TWM is Town for IDP shading him. bold added

BTW:

Vote: Cuzz

Boom!

You reply to the same post twice with a completely different response both times.

This almost seems opportunistic or something with you timing flipping on and jumping onto the Cuzz wagon.  You just called TWM's case tin-foily and said everything you've seen from Cuzz is pro-town:

I think TWM's case on me actually makes me lean towards a townread on him. It seems like genuine scumhunting and I'd find it reasonable if I didn't know my own alignment. It reminds me a little of faust's case on me in M100, (where we were both town and he ended up vigging me).

If you are town, and you certainly could be see a similar situation in M103 where I defended scum Faust day from a lynch as town and was heavily suspected or M98 where everyone thought I was mcmc's partner and I got lynched for it, what I want from you is your own scum hunting. I know my case on you is pretty good, it might not be perfect,but it is good. I am not going to give it up unless I see something better. See if you can find something better. And you might not and that would suck if you are town. But we are Ina position, thanks to the people on wagon Day1, where it probably wouldn't suck horrendously.

Everything I have seen from Cuzz has seemed like Pro-Town behavior. It makes your case on him look a bit tin-foily.

and now you are drilling him.

Vote: Quicksync

[QuickSync]

So QS was pretty firmly town reading Cuzz the whole game, e.g.

I'm now back to thinking this might be a bastard game, since some players appear to have a post restriction which forbids them from justifying their votes.

I don't see Scum saying this almost ever.

This is strange:

Good call.  If we lynch mafia today, I think the Vig could consider shooting, maybe TWMing it.

Shoot me? Shooooot meee?

Doesn't look like these two are teamed unless its an act and its kinda OTT for an act.

Then later:

Good call.  If we lynch mafia today, I think the Vig could consider shooting, maybe TWMing it.

Horrible idea. TWM is Town for IDP shading him. bold added

BTW:

Vote: Cuzz

Boom!

You reply to the same post twice with a completely different response both times.

This almost seems opportunistic or something with you timing flipping on and jumping onto the Cuzz wagon.  You just called TWM's case tin-foily and said everything you've seen from Cuzz is pro-town:

I think TWM's case on me actually makes me lean towards a townread on him. It seems like genuine scumhunting and I'd find it reasonable if I didn't know my own alignment. It reminds me a little of faust's case on me in M100, (where we were both town and he ended up vigging me).

If you are town, and you certainly could be see a similar situation in M103 where I defended scum Faust day from a lynch as town and was heavily suspected or M98 where everyone thought I was mcmc's partner and I got lynched for it, what I want from you is your own scum hunting. I know my case on you is pretty good, it might not be perfect,but it is good. I am not going to give it up unless I see something better. See if you can find something better. And you might not and that would suck if you are town. But we are Ina position, thanks to the people on wagon Day1, where it probably wouldn't suck horrendously.

Everything I have seen from Cuzz has seemed like Pro-Town behavior. It makes your case on him look a bit tin-foily.

and now you are drilling him.

Vote: Quicksync

Yes, clearly its poor form to reevaluate someone after rereading :///

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Unvote from Cuzz.  Just reread him, and his "strong suspicion" that TWM is hung up on was specifically that there was a scum between IDPTG and luckat, not that it was on IDPTG specifically, which is what I was thinking until I checked.  Personally, I buy the town-incorrectly-reading-Robz (pretty easy to do) narrative more than the flaked-on-voting-a-partner narrative at the moment. More evidence could possibly shift me back, but not the current line of reasoning.

PPE 1

There won't be any more evidence.

[Dylan32]

No, but usually one would reread prior to trying to shoot down another player's arguments, especially one that as you say was good but just not well articulated

[The_Wine_Merchant]

No, but usually one would reread prior to trying to shoot down another player's arguments, especially one that as you say was good but just not well articulated

I think my articulation was just fine.

[ashersky]

Dylan is the IC right?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Dylan is the IC right?

Yesh.

[ashersky]

Okay. I just have a bias that finds him scummy.

TWM is also towny for me. 

Could literally lynch anyone else.

[QuickSync]

No, but usually one would reread prior to trying to shoot down another player's arguments, especially one that as you say was good but just not well articulated

K, well regardless of what you expect someone to do doesn't mean that that is the way someone is going to do it. I didn't reread until I thought about the case a bit. Your argument that I am Scum because I didn't do what you think I should have done isn't valid because not everyone operates in a rational way all the time. Basing a Scum read on me because I looked into things and changed my mind after looking into something is a very rigid way to determine if someone is Scum and if that is your method for determining who is Scum you are going to be wrong a lot.

[QuickSync]

Okay. I just have a bias that finds him scummy.

TWM is also towny for me. 

Could literally lynch anyone else.

The real vig would have shot him if he was giving a false claim (or should have if he's not mentally challenged).

[luckat]

Okay. I just have a bias that finds him scummy.

TWM is also towny for me. 

Could literally lynch anyone else.

The real vig would have shot him if he was giving a false claim (or should have if he's not mentally challenged).

Except then the doctor would have protected him, thereby wasting a town PR shot. (I do think the real vig would have come forward by now if Dylan wasn't it.)

[QuickSync]

Okay. I just have a bias that finds him scummy.

TWM is also towny for me. 

Could literally lynch anyone else.

The real vig would have shot him if he was giving a false claim (or should have if he's not mentally challenged).

Except then the doctor would have protected him, thereby wasting a town PR shot. (I do think the real vig would have come forward by now if Dylan wasn't it.)

Point taken, but its not a Doc, its a JKer.

[luckat]

Okay. I just have a bias that finds him scummy.

TWM is also towny for me. 

Could literally lynch anyone else.

The real vig would have shot him if he was giving a false claim (or should have if he's not mentally challenged).

Except then the doctor would have protected him, thereby wasting a town PR shot. (I do think the real vig would have come forward by now if Dylan wasn't it.)

Point taken, but its not a Doc, its a JKer.

Umm, I meant the scum doc would have protected the fake vig from the real vig. (Granted, it would have meant an extra scum shot used too, and a town shot only would have been wasted if the real vig thought like you, but this is all hypothetical anyway.)

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Yeah. I don't really find what QS did to be scummy. I find it annoying that he was brandishing words like asinine and tin-hat foil and horrible without actually knowing what he was talking about. But being annoying isn't scummy in this game unfortunately.