Okay lets look at faust
I think Joseph is town by now. This whole thing is on a different scale than what I expect from scum!Joseph.
EFHW is a lot less scummy than McGarn was. I don't think I want to vote there anymore. What else do we have? I do not want to vote for Jake. Calamitas will probably continue to do nothing today and then spend D2 talking about probabilities, which is really annoying, but I don't think I can do anything about it. Robz and mcmc are non-factors in my head, which is weird. Awaclus is a mild town read.
Vote: Robz
This is the original point which I felt joseph was very scummy and I think Faust's reasoning for finding him towny is a scummy one. It's not what you expect but its not that you actually have reasons to find him towny.
So here is the thing. Joseph right now, I think feels that he has a free pass, as multiple people have said he is townie if he acts crazy. So he has to continue that charade for the sake of conforming to what multiple people say they expect of him. He has to continue to be weird and strange and nonsensical and do annoying things. Because that is what the people want from him. I think if he were town, he would just stop acting that way and act with a semblance of normalcy. He hasn't, so I don't think he is town and I think the people who are not voting for him should listen to me, even I am a new player. I am coming at this without bias or much previous knowledge and I think others are overly relying on their previous biases and expectations.
You know, there is actually a lot of sense in this.
Vote: Joseph this is L-1.
Now when town is really getting close to lynching town you decide its better to just lynch joseph instead of get town cred by defending him.
How about this. We don't lynch Joseph today but if he's still alive tomorrow we lynch him. If he dies during the night the n we know he was being truthful. Does that satisfy everyone? If so who are possible D-1 lynchs for us. I say one of the lurkers like Mcmc or Awa
From the few historical games I read a lurker lynch ended up being pretty random. I would be more inclined to go for RR (he had some stuff in the past that I found suspicious) or Robz if we are choosing to keep Joseph alive.
And I don't like if/then statements. I feel like they are too easy for mafia to manipulate.
The issue with lurker lynches: Yes they are somewhat random. But they will still be somewhat random on D2, D3 etc., since lurkers won't give much to determine their alignment. It's better to have active players in the game that can be read. A lurker is always a blank and needs to be lynched at some point unless the game goes really well.
This is sort of a reference post. Faust explains here the issue with lurker lynches(I have said the same thing and agree) which demonstrates he understands the need for a quality lynch.
Interesting. Did not read everything... and will not until tomorrow. But I don't think I need to unvote.
This is similar to what EFHW did, it is in reference to the robz wagon which I think should have disappeared much faster than it did after robz explaination.
Caught up on the whole Robz wagon.
It's pretty clear to me that Robz really thought Awaclus was softclaiming UB.
unvote and I'm gonna have to take a serious look at that wagon.
So yes you agree that it was pretty clear what Robz was doing but you waited a little while with robz at L-1 before deciding to read. (This is not a huge deal but it doesn't make me feel any townier on you)
I think gkrieg/Awaclus is a good place to look for scum.
Okay so look, don't tell others who we should look at! (for clarity faust does go on to make a gkrieg case much much later.)
faust, you FOS'd gkrieg and Awaclus, but didn't vote anywhere.
Huh, you're right. This should be amended. vote: gkrieg
You have not made that case yet, though you have no problem voting.
This is a weird D-1 in my opinion. If we want to get a lynch we need to narrow the lynch pool to 3 people. Tomorrow as in January 6th we narrow the lynch pool and make cases on the 3. Then on deadline day we lynch the one with the best case. First we neeeeedddd to narrow the lynch pool or it will be a no lynch or a poor last minute one. Everyone submit your choices for the three and include cases. Therefore I urge all to submit your choices.
This is not a bad thing.
I suggest gkrieg, Awaclus and RR.
I will probably make a case on gkrieg later today.
Here is my big issue, I have explained at huge lenght how this system of narrowing the lynch pool provides a similarly safe and unhelpful lynch for scum as a lurker lynch does. Faust totally understood the lurker problem but goes along with this because it is favoring him.
EFHW - for the strange fade away on the robz wagon.*
This is towny, not scummy.
Oh you mean since you did it too and have had a town read on EFHW all game.
It is next that faust makes his gkrieg case and at the end says I am not quite sure if I am just having confirmation bias so what does everyone else think. Which hey at least he finally made a case but it still seemed like you won't stick by it if other people don't like it, which is scummy in my opinion.
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